John Michael Kane Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Your insistence on bringing up her infidelity and equating it with his actions proves otherwise. So does yours.
Eve Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 I see that they were both ****ed up and the poor kids paid the price. No excuse for killing ones own kids can ever be made in my mind - especially an affair. A normally functoning mind would want to protect the children from the ensuing divorce/reconcilliation processes.. not kill them. WTF? .. so brutally too. Deep control issues right there. Proper, proper psycho behaviour. Glad I didn't know any of them... heart breaking nonsense. Some people need to grow the **** up! :mad: Take care, Eve x
climbergirl Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Sorry, I see it differently. He tried to kill himself too, but survived as the paramedics got to him in time. Suicide may be passive-aggressive, or not. Very rare is the person who threatens to control or manipulate another through a suicide threat.....very, very rare. It is a threat never to be taken lightly, as the vast majority who do threaten are intent to carry out an attempt and many of them succeed. Regardless of what happens in his trial, this man will be under suicide watch for years.....and will most likely attempt again. I don't agree with either of these statements. Regarding the first, I'm curious how the paramedics knew that there was an emergency. Who called? He's a physician. I think if he truly wanted to kill himself he would have done so. As to the second statement, suicide threats to manipulate is not rare. Should always be taken seriously, but not a rare tactic to control and manipulate another. I, too, think that this man is a monster. Plenty of people are devastated by affairs, but it certainly isn't the norm for the BS to kill their children as a reaction.
climbergirl Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Yup but the mother is just as evil. She continued living it up instead of trying to be a mother to those kids, but then again it's typical cheater behavior. Yeesh. Since they were separated, perhaps this was the fathers time with the kids. And you honestly think that the wife having an affair is equally evil as stabbing and murdering children? There is some serious problems with one who would think that way.
Fugu Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) but in case the Hester Prynne society missed it, the doctor in question had gradually become less intimate and was found to have gay porn on his computer. She found it once in 2006, confronted him about the possibility of being gay, which he denied, and then was forced to confront him again in 2008. In other words, this poor victim of a spouse was also a liar. As I always like to point out -- much over the tone-deafness of those who angrily berate adulterers -- there are often two sides to every story. The more I read the posts of angry betrayed spouses on LS, the more I believe that they had every bit as much to do with the dissolution of their marriage as the wandering spouse. Hell, for all I know, they might have been the cause of problems in their marriage; it's just that the cheating is what finally awakened them to the fact that they're crappy spouses and otherwise suck at life. I know that's not true of everyone, and I do feel sorry for those who have been betrayed, but some people just need a reality check. Yeah, double homicides just happen. Sick, just plain sick attitudes. No wonder you guys are posting here....ALONE. Edited May 22, 2011 by Fugu
Fugu Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Not really u are way out of point...its not about personal control, its abt the severe damage that cheaters cause....and about my personal preferences that i would rather deal with a felon than a cheater..... "You cannot..." , "The correct response..." by the way, are you God, Jesus, Buddha or the devil, gracing Loveshack to tell people what is right and what is correct? if you are, prove it to me Yeah, hold onto that grudge, guy. You sure seem like a 'victim' to me.
John Michael Kane Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Yeesh. Since they were separated, perhaps this was the fathers time with the kids. And you honestly think that the wife having an affair is equally evil as stabbing and murdering children? Yup. She put her kids and husband's lives at risk, including herself. There is some serious problems with one who would think that way. Thanks for telling us about yourself.
Fugu Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Yup. She put her kids and husband's lives at risk, including herself. If this is your attitude, then you're not a victim; you're a nutter.
John Michael Kane Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 If this is your attitude, then you're not a victim; you're a nutter. Says the person who thinks married couples should just accept affairs since it's going on in Japan. Sorry Fugy, I was a victim.
Fugu Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Says the person who thinks married couples should just accept affairs since it's going on in Japan. Sorry Fugy, I was a victim. Well, for the record, not in all cases. Each case is different. In that particular thread (if I remember correctly), I was just pointing out that, in cases where it would be a major pain in the ass for the entire family, maybe just gutting it out would be better. One doesn't always have to go to divorce court the moment they find out they've been cheated on. My mother was cheated on, and she worked on the marriage and kept it together. I'm sure there were days when she wondered why, but things did gradually improve. Or, you could get a divorce, and take satisfaction in your newfound independence. Or you could divorce and be glad that you've been liberated and find the woman/man of your dreams. No need to be bitter to the point of wishing death upon your partner. That's not personal growth. And I'm sorry you were a victim. Really, I take no delight in the fact that you or anyone was cheated on. As I said, my mother was cheated on by my old man and he even left the house for a few days until he could decide whether it was more important to satisfy his penis or keep his family together. I would say that my mother was a victim, too, but even then, I know all of these years later there is probably another side to the story. Doesn't mean what pops did was right or honorable, but there was probably sh*t all along that weakened the marriage. All of that aside, anyone who seriously walks around thinking that cheaters deserve a lifetime of pain and suffering, IMO, probably have some character flaws of their own. I don't know what they might be, and I won't speculate. Not necessary. I wish you peace, regardless.
John Michael Kane Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Well, for the record, not in all cases. Each case is different. In that particular thread (if I remember correctly), I was just pointing out that, in cases where it would be a major pain in the ass for the entire family, maybe just gutting it out would be better. One doesn't always have to go to divorce court the moment they find out they've been cheated on. My mother was cheated on, and she worked on the marriage and kept it together. I'm sure there were days when she wondered why, but things did gradually improve. Or, you could get a divorce, and take satisfaction in your newfound independence. Or you could divorce and be glad that you've been liberated and find the woman/man of your dreams. No need to be bitter to the point of wishing death upon your partner. That's not personal growth. And I'm sorry you were a victim. Really, I take no delight in the fact that you or anyone was cheated on. As I said, my mother was cheated on by my old man and he even left the house for a few days until he could decide whether it was more important to satisfy his penis or keep his family together. I would say that my mother was a victim, too, but even then, I know all of these years later there is probably another side to the story. Doesn't mean what pops did was right or honorable, but there was probably sh*t all along that weakened the marriage. All of that aside, anyone who seriously walks around thinking that cheaters deserve a lifetime of pain and suffering, IMO, probably have some character flaws of their own. I don't know what they might be, and I won't speculate. Not necessary. I wish you peace, regardless. If you want to think like that fine by me, but the whole life story was not necessary.
John Michael Kane Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 Fugu is trying to rationalize his father's cheating. So yes the whole back story is necessary to "make you understand" that "Pops" is not such a bad man after all. After all, he's "Pops," isn't he? I know right?lol People these days....
dale_gribble Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 There is no excuse for this guy's actions. The children were innocent in all this.
dale_gribble Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 "I can never understand why sex with a person someone else deems inappropriate makes someone a monster. Quite the quantrary. If it involves love, it makes them human - both in terms of vulnerability and soul."- What a crock of ****... IT'S CHEATING! If she wanted out, she should have gotten out, then started up another relationship. She is a dispicable person herself for being selfish.
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