mbm69 Posted May 6, 2011 Posted May 6, 2011 You can read here part of the testimony from a woman in the province of Quebec who cheated on her husband, and her husband on a ultimate act of revenge decided to kill their 2 children aged 5 and 3, while himself attempting to kill himself (and missed). He is on trial for the murder of his 2 children. It is a heartwrenching story http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hKDXzRlxWeLBWK9Mf7vDQooLoA-g?docId=6765696
Author mbm69 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Posted May 6, 2011 Just wanted to add that both parents were well respected physicians in their community. The father was a cardiologist and was very well liked by his patients and his coworkers. I have been following the trial, and have read exerpts of testimonies from people who knew the killer and they all say that they would NEVER EVER had thought he would do something like this because he was a loving and caring person. Even his ex-wife said he was a great father. Tragic...
Spark1111 Posted May 6, 2011 Posted May 6, 2011 How tragic! When a man experiences a severe depression that begins to border on a psychotic break with reality, killing his family starts to take hold of his thoughts in this mentally warped state. He wants to end HIS life but begins to believe his children will be unprotected and in danger, so he thinks they will be better off he ends their lives too! It is one of the first questions psychiatrists will ask a severely depressed male with a family as a way to guage how severe his depression is: "Do you ever have fantasies of killing your family?" However with women, infanticide is so rare, even within a psychotic break with reality, that it makes the national news. How very tragic!
Author mbm69 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Posted May 6, 2011 I have to admit that this particular tragedy is close to home for me. I am in pretty close proximity to where it happened and although I don't know the family personally, because I work in the health care field, I know people that worked or knew these people very well
Author mbm69 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Posted May 6, 2011 Also close to where I live, this week, another father burned himself to death with his kids in the car with him... Actually, one of the 3 children escaped the burning car. Also a reaction to infidelity...
Mimolicious Posted May 6, 2011 Posted May 6, 2011 Happens when you play with someone's emotions. I wont get tired of saying that.
John Michael Kane Posted May 6, 2011 Posted May 6, 2011 Happens when you play with someone's emotions. I wont get tired of saying that. That's right. Oh well.
wheelwright Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 Happens when you play with someone's emotions. I wont get tired of saying that. If this had happened to me (my kids were the same ages at DDay) I would perhaps be thinking what you had written here. However, this would have been a reaction born of guilt and fear and self-hatred. It would not have been centred and true. And I still feel relieved when I see xMOM's kids around town, looking happy. And my own, the beautiful wonderfulness of them. I think my H had these fantasies after DDay. I think two things are at play. The knowledge that abandoning your kids by suicide would in some ways ruin them, but you feel suicide is the only option. So you have to take them with you. And revenge on the WS. It is the result of an unbalanced mind. It is the ultimate in passive aggression, and the person who contemplates it or carries out would already be an extreme passive aggressive. With this type of passive aggressive, they make sure you do not win. Fortunately, most people with this disorder have enough balancing factors not to react in this extreme way. I would go further, and hazard a guess that the WS in this case has been walking on eggshells in a difficult M from the start. Afraid that her actions would result in sulking, inactivity, depression that she is blamed for. Her only crime was not knowing it was OK to feel she needed to get out, and to do something which was only half-way. No-one ever induces the murder of children. It is squarely on his mightily f**ked up shoulders. I hope his WS can grow to realise it is not her fault, but I doubt it. The loss of her children is a huge tragedy, but this lingering guilt-pain is both unfair and made possible by people who condemn As wholesale instead of understanding the people who feel moved to escape their M in this way.
Gagirl Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 This guy a monster for killing his children. Affair or not. How could anyone stab a 5 and 3 year old to death?
wheelwright Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 This guy a monster for killing his children. Affair or not. How could anyone stab a 5 and 3 year old to death? Yeah, that's another way of putting it.
bentnotbroken Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 Yeah, that's another way of putting it. He is a monster and he in no way had the right to take his children. I am in no way passive aggressive...aggressive yes, not passive aggressive ( planned my suicide). My thoughts of suicide had nothing to do with anyone but me. My children had nothing to do with it, Mr. Messy had nothing to do with it. It was me. Mental imbalance unchecked has consequences. Anything can push it over the edge. Sad situation for all involved.
Mimolicious Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 Again, emotions. Negative or positive. The switch goes off and the end results could be very unfortunate events. I have a cousin that jumped off the 17th floor balcony on Thanksgiving day right before dinner. His daughters were all in the apt. He was having an A, had a love child from it and didn't know how to manage the 2 families and double life any longer. He jumped. According to his OW, she was about to expose him and demanded that he'd move to another state or else.... (we will never know exactly what the else may be). She wont say more than "I warned him and told him that he needed to leave his 3 daughters and wife or else". I WANT TO SLAP THE REST OUT OF THIS B*TCH! (sorry, I just can't help it. She has been so disrespectful to my entire family). I think my cousin's emotions took the best of him. He didn't know how to control the situation BUT also the people involved made matters worse. That's just MHO. It's like filling a cup, one drop at a time it will eventually overflow.
wheelwright Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 He is a monster and he in no way had the right to take his children. I am in no way passive aggressive...aggressive yes, not passive aggressive ( planned my suicide). My thoughts of suicide had nothing to do with anyone but me. My children had nothing to do with it, Mr. Messy had nothing to do with it. It was me. Mental imbalance unchecked has consequences. Anything can push it over the edge. Sad situation for all involved. I am glad you are still with us, in your unbroken and inimitable way. I agree that suicide is not always passive aggressive. But I think it can be. (((((BNB))))
TMCM Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 (edited) Just like she had no excuse for cheating on her husband, he sure as hell had no excuse to do such a monstrous act. I am a BH from my first marriage but I agree with others, he is a monster. Edited May 7, 2011 by TMCM eta
Spark1111 Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 Sorry, I see it differently. He tried to kill himself too, but survived as the paramedics got to him in time. Suicide may be passive-aggressive, or not. Very rare is the person who threatens to control or manipulate another through a suicide threat.....very, very rare. It is a threat never to be taken lightly, as the vast majority who do threaten are intent to carry out an attempt and many of them succeed. Regardless of what happens in his trial, this man will be under suicide watch for years.....and will most likely attempt again.
Author mbm69 Posted May 8, 2011 Author Posted May 8, 2011 Sorry, I see it differently. He tried to kill himself too, but survived as the paramedics got to him in time. He tried to kill himself... did he really? He's an MD. Trust me, dude KNOWS of ways to kill himself without 'missing'. I'm not 100% convinced he really intended on killing himself. And I do agree with others, this guy IS a monster. How can you seek revenge on your spouse for cheating by killing your children??? By stabbing them to death. 1
John Michael Kane Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 He tried to kill himself... did he really? He's an MD. Trust me, dude KNOWS of ways to kill himself without 'missing'. I'm not 100% convinced he really intended on killing himself. And I do agree with others, this guy IS a monster. How can you seek revenge on your spouse for cheating by killing your children??? By stabbing them to death. While he is a monster, she is also.
wheelwright Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 While he is a monster, she is also. I can never understand why sex with a person someone else deems inappropriate makes someone a monster. Quite the quantrary. If it involves love, it makes them human - both in terms of vulnerability and soul. Your inappropriate sex may be someone else's love. That is a constant. On the other hand, the murder of children is pretty much the same from anyone's point of view. I wonder what the sixties were for sometimes...
John Michael Kane Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 I can never understand why sex with a person someone else deems inappropriate makes someone a monster. But I do understand why participants of infidelity thinks it's completely natural to have extramarital sex with someone else and putting their spouse's life at risk for STDs. Quite the quantrary. If it involves love, it makes them human - both in terms of vulnerability and soul. Your inappropriate sex may be someone else's love. That is a constant.Your glamorization of affairs is tiring. On the other hand, the murder of children is pretty much the same from anyone's point of view.No it's not. That is a stereotype. Look online and you'll see the views vary.
Sazerac Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 And I do agree with others, this guy IS a monster. How can you seek revenge on your spouse for cheating by killing your children??? By stabbing them to death. The motive is "older than bronze." Ever read the Greek myths - Medea and Jason? She slaughtered both their sons in front of her wayward spouse Jason and then fled from his wrath. There is truly nothing new under the sun. Truly a tragedy. My heart goes out to the surviving family.
blueroses10 Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 You can read here part of the testimony from a woman in the province of Quebec who cheated on her husband, and her husband on a ultimate act of revenge decided to kill their 2 children aged 5 and 3, while himself attempting to kill himself (and missed). He is on trial for the murder of his 2 children. It is a heartwrenching story http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hKDXzRlxWeLBWK9Mf7vDQooLoA-g?docId=6765696 Infidelity was the least of the problems in this situation. It seems to me that the wife didn't want to be with the husband anymore and the husband had a problem losing her and took it out on the kids. It's sickening that he would look up the least painful way to commit suicide and he drink wiper fluid but inflict pain on the children by stabbing them. I call BS on this plan. Why would the kids be in danger when they had a mom left behind. This goes beyond selfishness and sickens me.
Baroness67 Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Obviously in no way as horrible as this, but there's another story on the net appearing in a few blog comments by a Patty41, one in response to a title of "I love my mistress but I love my wife" ... that story is haunting in its own way.
Untouchable_Fire Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 I think two things are at play. The knowledge that abandoning your kids by suicide would in some ways ruin them, but you feel suicide is the only option. So you have to take them with you. And revenge on the WS. It is the result of an unbalanced mind. It is the ultimate in passive aggression, and the person who contemplates it or carries out would already be an extreme passive aggressive. With this type of passive aggressive, they make sure you do not win. Fortunately, most people with this disorder have enough balancing factors not to react in this extreme way. I would go further, and hazard a guess that the WS in this case has been walking on eggshells in a difficult M from the start. Afraid that her actions would result in sulking, inactivity, depression that she is blamed for. Ever think it was less about revenge and more about about saving the kids from the same pain he was feeling? She is probably most upset that now she can't get child support or alimony. I don't feel bad for her at all... she should have been with her kids instead of partying. I do feel bad for the kids. It's really sad and this guy should get the death penalty. His suicide attempt was lame... he should have killed his wife and then himself. 1
John Michael Kane Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Ever think it was less about revenge and more about about saving the kids from the same pain he was feeling? She is probably most upset that now she can't get child support or alimony. I don't feel bad for her at all... she should have been with her kids instead of partying. That's why it's a fact cheaters are pure evil. They just don't give a damn. I do feel bad for the kids. It's really sad and this guy should get the death penalty. His suicide attempt was lame... he should have killed his wife and then himself. Yup.
Darren Taylor Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 This is sickening. They're both rotten pieces of sh*t, especially the father. How do you kill your kids? The mother cheated and she's a selfish b*tch, but that doesn't compare to the father that is a murderer and ultimate scum.
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