welikeincrowds Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 That's news to me... 1 Corinthians 7. (It's not exactly "outside the religion", it's more about how difficult marriage is.)
Star Gazer Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 1 Corinthians 7. (It's not exactly "outside the religion", it's more about how difficult marriage is.) Which also says: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Who wrote this stuff? Waynebrady as to the first??
Joe Normal Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 It will become a problem unless you discuss it openly and in depth. For example, I'm an atheist and I would not be ok with any kids I have going to church until they are old enough to understand themselves and decide independently if they believe and want to go. I would veto them going to any kind of school which taught religious beliefs as being true. If my wife/gf tried telling them about religion I would butt in and tell them to question it, how do they know it is true etc. So, it will cause problems unless you agree to disagree on it, and come to some middle ground. I think a religious and atheist person can marry and have kids together, as long as they agree that both parent can put their point of view and then leave it up to the kid to decide. Also, how do you know your kids will want to pray? My parents were religious and I hated the way they tried to get me to go to church and pray, after a few years of misery I just refused and eventually they gave up. You have no real control over whether your kids will believe or not.
welikeincrowds Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 Which also says: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Who wrote this stuff? Waynebrady as to the first?? Maybe waynebrady is Christ's sockpuppet. Just when you think he's done trolling, 3 days later he's back again. But really, this was written by St. Paul, who had an incredible mind. 1 Corinthians is a brilliant work of rhetoric. What's funny is that I can picture you stopping right there, making this face: , and then coming back to LS to make a pointed post about it. If you had made it to the very next sentence, he goes on to say that the wife has authority over the husband's body. He's saying "have a healthy sex life with your wife so that you're not tempted to cheat." Don't knock it until you read it SG. I'm not religious. It's really good, I promise you.
Joe Normal Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 Politics is more important to me than religion generally, though I could not be with a hardcore Christian.... ....At this point in my life, I've learned Value Systems trump everything. Religion is a value system. For example, how do you know that Bush is a criminal? Presumably you researched some things online, found out facts about him and his actions, and those fit into your concept of criminality (Bush hasn't been given a trial yet, so IMO he is 'innocent until proven guilty', even though I have moral objections to his policy decisions). Well, religious people do not use that method, they believe on pure faith i.e. regardless of evidence. So, someone religious might support Bush on pure faith (or oppose him for the same reason). People who operate on faith rather than reason are fundamentally different to those who use the latter.
AstroZombie138 Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 I think if your friend is really deep into religion(basically, if religion drives major decisions in her life), it will be almost impossible for both of you to have a relationship, especially if you don't see yourself converting to her core beliefs. I'm more spiritual than religious, but I grew up in a religious household and lots of my family is very attached to church. I have dated girls, that were more "religious than me" and I have made it clear where my limits are, the things I could and couldn't do. You and her need to have a very frank discussion on this. The earlier, the better. Well, I told her on our first date that I was agnostic but also that I was curious about her religious practices. I said I wouldn't mind going to one of her group's gatherings to see what it was like. The other night she asked me what I was doing Sunday morning and I replied that I wasn't busy. This kind of set me up for being drafted into going this morning. I like visiting the park where her group was doing its thing so that made going a bit more appealing. I felt kind of awkward there but it wasn't until the guy spoke in tongues that I felt really uncomfortable.
Star Gazer Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 Maybe waynebrady is Christ's sockpuppet. Just when you think he's done trolling, 3 days later he's back again. But really, this was written by St. Paul, who had an incredible mind. 1 Corinthians is a brilliant work of rhetoric. What's funny is that I can picture you stopping right there, making this face: , and then coming back to LS to make a pointed post about it. If you had made it to the very next sentence, he goes on to say that the wife has authority over the husband's body. He's saying "have a healthy sex life with your wife so that you're not tempted to cheat." Don't knock it until you read it SG. I'm not religious. It's really good, I promise you. I read the whole thing, dude. I'm still making the face.
Kari Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 Well, I told her on our first date that I was agnostic but also that I was curious about her religious practices. I said I wouldn't mind going to one of her group's gatherings to see what it was like. The other night she asked me what I was doing Sunday morning and I replied that I wasn't busy. This kind of set me up for being drafted into going this morning. I like visiting the park where her group was doing its thing so that made going a bit more appealing. I felt kind of awkward there but it wasn't until the guy spoke in tongues that I felt really uncomfortable. I take you won't be attending church with her again? I'm agnostic myself, I wouldn't mind dating someone who was more religious than me as long as they did not try to pressure what they believe on me. My current partner is Christian, but he does not expect me to follow as he does. We work together great as a couple, and we both are tolerant of each others religion.
welikeincrowds Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 I read the whole thing, dude. I'm still making the face. Oh whatever. The Bible is a great book, you just have no taste in fiction.
AstroZombie138 Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 My current partner is Christian, but he does not expect me to follow as he does. We work together great as a couple, and we both are tolerant of each others religion. I really hope this is how things work out with me and this girl. I really like her and haven't felt this way towards someone in a really long time.
Kari Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 I really hope this is how things work out with me and this girl. I really like her and haven't felt this way towards someone in a really long time. I hope so for your sake too. It's a shame to see relationships end over this.
sanskrit Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 That's a good point and I think that's what bothers me. The past two days they've been calling Republicans idiots and doing a bunch of name calling of George Bush without actually saying WHY they are doing those things. Ugh. Trust me, you do not want to be a part of that family, even if you were a democrat. Soapboxing on the internet is one thing, but a boorish family that sits around and talks like that in personal conversation in front of someone their son is dating during the "make a good impression" stage before they know you really well is going to bore and annoy you for the rest of your life, if not out and out make your life a living hell. Up to you if your guy is worth that, and who knows, he may revert to form down the line too.
thatone Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) That's a good point and I think that's what bothers me. The past two days they've been calling Republicans idiots and doing a bunch of name calling of George Bush without actually saying WHY they are doing those things. I'm a really weird person who actually enjoyed both Bush and Obama as Presidents. (Usually when people say they hate one of them, I disagree, and most people hate at least one of them.) I just think they are both wonderful role models (very dedicated to their families) and both did/do their best to give this country what they think is right. So when people say Obama doesn't have a birth certificate or that he's the anti-christ (both of which I've heard people say), I roll my eyes, and when people say George Bush is just some dumb cowboy, I roll my eyes, too. It's just a bunch of mudslinging and nothing actually productive is being discussed. No one is discussing their policies or ideas and the ramifications of those things. They are just calling them names and using stereotypes. I think I also got upset because my Mom isn't afraid to speak her mind and she's more on the opposite side of the spectrum from them than I am and they were doing this in front of her and when she argued with them a bit, they totally disrespected her opinion. Also, I got mad at my boyfriend because sometimes he makes fun of Jesus and while I sometimes think there are things wrong with the Bible, I still think Jesus and Christians in general are very respectable people. And this morning, I said,"I love you" and as a joke, he said,"Jesus and I love you, too." Making fun of Christians. I just found it to be extremely tasteless, especially considering that I don't make jokes making fun of any religion or non-religion (if that's what being an atheist or an agnostic is) in any way. So I think a lot of it is what you said. Feeling disrespected if I don't totally agree with them. there's differences of opinion and belief, and then there's rude. i don't believe but i'm not rude about it. i really can't fathom anyone making fun of jesus. he was by all indication disregarding the religious aspects, a pretty remarkable man. the fact that he didn't explain your beliefs to his family beforehand and tell them to tone it down before you met them is pretty inconsiderate, imo. i come from a half catholic/half protestant family. dad from new orleans, family all catholic, mom from rural alabama, all protestant. i believe in neither. have i dated christian women? yes, but outside of catholics she better be impressive in other respects, i tend to rule out protestants right away. i tell them up front that i don't believe, and they won't convert me. would i consider marrying one? i could tolerate catholic. not protestant, i don't think, especially if she believed in the tithe, i would not contribute money to a protestant church. i'm not helping a preacher with a cadillac, at least the catholic priests take the vow and the money isn't 'theirs'. that's another thing to consider. he might very well completely reject the idea of paying a tithe. in fact thinking about it, if i were married and she converted after the fact, i would still reject the idea of paying a tithe. she'd have to choose the church or me. the answer would be a flat out no. Edited May 16, 2011 by thatone
Velociraptor Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 Which also says: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Who wrote this stuff? Waynebrady as to the first?? When did waynebrady write that the wife does not have authority over her own body but the husband does?
Olivia1966 Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 this morning, I said,"I love you" and as a joke, he said,"Jesus and I love you, too." This would be one of those big make-or-break moments for me, not only because of the lack of respect for Christians (which I am), but also for the lack of respect for my own feelings.
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