carhill Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) I can't find soft edit functionality in this early iteration of vBulletin, but soft-delete does exist. All user-deleted posts are soft-deleted and retained in unedited form. To edit, they must be undeleted by admin/mod to an administrative area (or back to the open forum), then edited, then returned to the forum as appropriate. My forum software doesn't allow viewing of redacted content unless subscribed, and then only in e-mail. It does allow viewing of soft-deleted posts. It does not allow viewing of physically removed posts, except via the last backup, as appropriate. Generally, admin and/or moderators are the only groups with the power to physically remove (hard delete) posts. I can say that allowing users to delete their own posts/threads, which I do allow, creates a lot of back-end 'stuff' for me to do if someone has a 'problem'. I can understand why admin here would wish to avoid that. ETA that there is a cool hack/mod which allows thread starters to 'mini-moderate' their own threads, being able to soft-delete (not soft or hard edit) others posts, save for groups specified by admin. Such posts are visible to/actionable by mod/admin. So, if the OP here found my post to be off-topic or inflammatory, as examples, he could delete it; he could delete it just because he didn't like me Anyway, I've seen this for v3.5-3.8. Edited April 28, 2011 by carhill
NoMagicBullet Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 orangelady, it looks like you're an Established Member now and have PM capability. At least that's what I see on my screen. I guess it changed since yesterday, being so close to the 1-month mark. Hmm, flaming post/delete... that explains a few things.
Star Gazer Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 You are responding for the OPs benefit. If the OP needs the thread deleted for some reason, I can't see why anyone would object. He's read and (hopefully) appreciated your responses - mission accomplished. And if people care enough to respond, they should also care enough to respect his wishes. I disagree. You're not responding for one person's benefit. This is after all a COMMUNITY.
Mimolicious Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 Yeah I don't see how anyone can figure who you are... not very descriptive and besides, what is there to hide?
Jazzari Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 I disagree. You're not responding for one person's benefit. This is after all a COMMUNITY.And as a caring community, I think we should be sensitive when someone has a problem or makes a mistake.
fishtaco Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 And as a caring community, I think we should be sensitive when someone has a problem or makes a mistake. My vote goes to Star Gazer's side. It's not that hard to think before posting. I keep things as vague as possible. This is afterall, the internet. Anyone without this understanding or ability should not be on the internet. I believe the ability to delete your own threads will cause more issues than it'll solve.
Jazzari Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 My vote goes to Star Gazer's side. It's not that hard to think before posting. I keep things as vague as possible. This is afterall, the internet. Anyone without this understanding or ability should not be on the internet. I believe the ability to delete your own threads will cause more issues than it'll solve. I don't feel that strongly about it, so ok. Though I do think the mods should make exceptions upon request. Many of the threads here are very emotional. It might not be smart, but people don't always think when needing help and pouring their hearts out.
fishtaco Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 I don't feel that strongly about it, so ok. Though I do think the mods should make exceptions upon request. Many of the threads here are very emotional. It might not be smart, but people don't always think when needing help and pouring their hearts out. I think that's perfectly fine, just don't use any specifics. Really any of the situations is hardly unique. I'm just voicing my opinion, not trying to change your mind or anything.
threebyfate Posted April 28, 2011 Posted April 28, 2011 I see both sides of this issue and feel the moderators can make a very limited number of compassionate exceptions by deleting threads. The difficulty lies in what exceptions to make. As far as other members' advice, who cares if the entire thread gets deleted? It's kind of narcissistic to believe that your advice is so insightfully ground-shattering that it must be memoralized forever within the hallowed archives of LS. As far as giving the ability to members to create their own exceptions, not smart considering the existing abuse that already happens with the edit function.
Nexus One Posted April 29, 2011 Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) Yeah I don't see how anyone can figure who you are... not very descriptive and besides, what is there to hide? There are (technical) ways to accomplish that. Edited April 29, 2011 by Nexus One
Intricategirl Posted April 29, 2011 Posted April 29, 2011 Ok, I'm going to go slightly off-topic here, but THIS is why I am trying to go into cyberlaw. Who owns the copyright to information on the internet? I wrote it, but cannot get it removed? They display it and I've given them permission to, but with no possibility of revoking that permission? Is it similar to a magazine in which once it's published, it exists forever? The internet has a longer memory than a magazine, because paper degrades. I didn't read the comments about the FIL, but can the FIL sue for liable? He almost certainly wouldn't have a case against LS, but against the OP. And even then, I have no idea the international implications involved in it. And let me be clear- I'm not taking any position. I'm merely stating that these are some issues that make it a little different than other forms of communication. Mostly, this is exactly the kind of thing I am studying, and since the discussion is brewing anyway, I thought I'd leave my little comment here in perpetuity.
ivalm Posted April 29, 2011 Posted April 29, 2011 Forget replies...it just doesn't happen. Also that is just for P/M....it takes a lot longer to become "established" I became "established" a month in and I have fewer posts.. may be they changed things since then..
Art_Critic Posted April 29, 2011 Posted April 29, 2011 Either fix this place, get new moderators, give it to someone who wants to make it grow, or just quit. or you could just not login again... the posters here are the ones responsible for their own postings and are also responsible for what this community becomes, while moderation can take off the peaks or dips of the evil here, moderation will not shape the overall tone or posts that the posters make. If the posters that posted the posts that needed to be moderated were more mature with their tongue the need for moderation would go down
Mimolicious Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 There are (technical) ways to accomplish that. Yeah ok ... but in his original post (the one that he needs to delete) what is there to hide? I mean, they are splitting and selling property blah blah blah... isn't that someothing that everyone will know eventually???? This smells fishy...
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