Romeofud Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 I was at this sports bar yesterday with my boy catching the Knicks playoff game against Boston (only to watch them lose again ) and I bought a beer for 5 bucks, but all I had was a $10 and was given back a $5, so I couldn't really tip. When I went back to my boy to watch the game, he asked me what had happened, and I said nothing. But I noticed the girl that served me had her eyes on me for a while. Then a little later I noticed several bartending broads with their eyes on me. I tried to ignore and concentrate on the bb game. I went back to get another beer and realized that no one was coming over to me lol. I stayed there anyway and just stared down this one bartender until she got her butt over with a fake smile and served me. I signaled my homeboy over to give me a dollar because I was without it, just so I can tip this damsel in distress even though I didn't feel it was all that necessary, but I felt tension building up around me and for what??? A lousy dollar or two tip? So guys, are we really expected to tip bartenders every time we order a drink? Even when they act like it ain't no big deal to them when they get it, but god forbid you miss one, they get all sour on you.
veggirl Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 Um. :confused: Yes you are expected to tip bartenders. Hello? Was this your first time at a bar or something? Typically people tip $1 per drink. Also, this relates to dating in someway...?
Woggle Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 Having been a bartender before I always tip. I respect what they have to go through.
Eclypse Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 I never ever tip. When they stop ****ing ripping us off (8 dollars for a pint??) then I will tip. Until then I'll spend my heard earned dollars as I see fit. But then again I live in Australia.
zengirl Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Yes, you're supposed to tip bartenders --- in the U.S. at least. $1 per drink is customary; if they do a really good job on something, I'll tip a bit more. All depends. Abroad, it depends. Most places it's not AS customary, but I've never been to any country where you NEVER tipped. . . maybe just a bit less, as it was more of an "extra" than an expectation.
Cee Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I live in the US and always tip at least $1. Sometimes, I'll drop $2 if I'm a regular and the bartender is somebody I've come to know. At open bars, it is especially important to tip a $1 per drink. Open bar is complete madness and the bartenders are killing themselves to serve people as quickly as possible. Not dropping a dollar is the ultimate in rudeness, imo.
Woggle Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Also even though this does not apply at every bar at some places if a customer is known for being nice and a good tipper some bartenders will give them certain extras sometimes. You might get a free shot or charged for one less refill than you had. It pays to be a good customer.
Jynxx Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Yes, you're supposed to tip bartenders --- in the U.S. at least. $1 per drink is customary; if they do a really good job on something, I'll tip a bit more. All depends. Abroad, it depends. Most places it's not AS customary, but I've never been to any country where you NEVER tipped. . . maybe just a bit less, as it was more of an "extra" than an expectation. Tipping on drinks is not common at all in most European countries. In Western Europe, in general tips on food are only expected in somewhat classy restaurants (think 25+ per meal), I've never heard of people being expected to tip for a beer, let alone over 10% of its value. At most I would not take the 0.20 or so change on an order of around 10 EUR. In southern Europe and the UK tips on food are expected, but on drinks they are not. I usually tip between 5 and 10%, depending how good it is. If I don't like the food or service I don't tip at all. Don't have enough experience in other countries. Surely does sound insane to me that a barkeeper can make 100+$/hour in tips during busy times.
zengirl Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Tipping on drinks is not common at all in most European countries. In Western Europe, in general tips on food are only expected in somewhat classy restaurants (think 25+ per meal), I've never heard of people being expected to tip for a beer, let alone over 10% of its value. At most I would not take the 0.20 or so change on an order of around 10 EUR. In southern Europe and the UK tips on food are expected, but on drinks they are not. I usually tip between 5 and 10%, depending how good it is. If I don't like the food or service I don't tip at all. Don't have enough experience in other countries. Surely does sound insane to me that a barkeeper can make 100+$/hour in tips during busy times. "Abroad" is a broader word than Europe, of course. Only place in Europe I've lived are Greece and Italy. Tipping in bars you frequented was fairly common there (not like clubs), but it was not a % of the bill, just a Euro or two total, not a large amount. Dated a guy from the UK, and he said you'd tip in a pub, bit the same idea, just a pound or two. That's how it was in Seoul and Tokyo as well. If you frequented a place, you tipped as an extra. In Asia, tipping is more common on drinks than on food. I feel like I tipped more on drinks in Italy as well. Barely tipped at all in Greece. I tipped more than I should/needed to in Argentina because everything was so cheap and everyone was so friendly.
Nexus One Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 You will notice that this differs per country. In the US it's quite common to tip, with roughly 15% as the standard tip rate. For a long time the US didn't have a minimum wage. So some people made $5 USD an hour or less, so they were very much reliant on tips to make ends meet. There is now a minimum wage in the US of $7.25 an hour. Americans also have the problem of relatively high medical bills when sick, even when insured. In the EU (except for in Germany/Italy/Sweden/Finland), where minimum wage has been common for many decades, giving tips is less common. The people on the bottom of the wage scale are given minimum wages that should allow them to make ends meet. European countries for the most part also have universal healthcare, which means they get healthcare for "free" or for relatively little money. So when Europeans come to the US and are socially expected to pay tips, they're like "What the f*ck, I just paid for the product/service and I'm expected to add 15% on top of that? You guys are getting a wage for which you're supposed to do what is expected from you." I understand the viewpoint of Europeans, but often they don't understand where the tipping culture in the US comes from, they think it's greediness, which is not true (for the most part). Many Americans generally use tips to make ends meet.
Shaun-Dro Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I was at this sports bar yesterday with my boy catching the Knicks playoff game against Boston (only to watch them lose again ) and I bought a beer for 5 bucks, but all I had was a $10 and was given back a $5, so I couldn't really tip. When I went back to my boy to watch the game, he asked me what had happened, and I said nothing. But I noticed the girl that served me had her eyes on me for a while. Then a little later I noticed several bartending broads with their eyes on me. I tried to ignore and concentrate on the bb game. I went back to get another beer and realized that no one was coming over to me lol. I stayed there anyway and just stared down this one bartender until she got her butt over with a fake smile and served me. I signaled my homeboy over to give me a dollar because I was without it, just so I can tip this damsel in distress even though I didn't feel it was all that necessary, but I felt tension building up around me and for what??? A lousy dollar or two tip? So guys, are we really expected to tip bartenders every time we order a drink? Even when they act like it ain't no big deal to them when they get it, but god forbid you miss one, they get all sour on you. This is why I hate bars now! Stupid female bartenders think they are some goddess just because they got you a drink? So what? Its not like they all went googoo eyed for you on serving you that drink. I one time didn't tip at this bar on the lower east side of NYC and the stupid barmaid acted all nasty to me, calling me a jerk and all that crap, when I paid $8 for a glass of wine! That's ridiculous. And this is why I stay out of bars now. If these tips added up to a date with a cute barmaid then that's a different story.
mogul Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 As said before, it is common courtesy to tip at least a dollar per drink. At bars/clubs, I usually tip two per drink just so I get better service and don't have to wait.
Johnny85 Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 In Europe, the tip is included in the price (among the scandinavian countries, at least). Bartenders and servers automatically earn enough money from their hourly wage to support themselves. In the U.S., however, whenever you go out to eat or drink, it is typically expected that you tip. I never follow the 20% rule, but usually do tip a few dollars per meal and a dollar per drink. The problem with that system is that it is a dirty way for businesses to pass on a cost to consumers. Many bars and restaurants do very well; you would think they could pay their workers a few dollars more. Bars and restaurants in the U.S. take advantage of the reciprocation rule, knowing that consumers will feel guilty if they do not tip. That's why so many people do, in fact, tip. You do something for me; I do something for you type of attitude is predominant among the human race! Read the book Influence to understand this better.
Art_Critic Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Well.. the OP is in the US not Europe... You don't tip and get crappy service on the next round and wonder why ? Flat out.. you tip.. the servers are getting about $2.13 an hour wage to serve drinks and rely on those tips to put food on their tables and pay the bills as well as keep the lights on on their homes.
Nexus One Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 The problem with that system is that it is a dirty way for businesses to pass on a cost to consumers. Agreed. If you own a business, at least pay your employees a wage that allows them to sustain themselves. Otherwise increase your prices. I know that's easier said than done, but business owners can at least try.
jadedone Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 best thing to do is start a tab, then tip a decent percentage at teh end of teh night when you settle up, usually cheaper than tipping everytime you go up for a drink.
Shaun-Dro Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 best thing to do is start a tab, then tip a decent percentage at teh end of teh night when you settle up, usually cheaper than tipping everytime you go up for a drink. I used to try to do that in the past, but then stupid barmaids try to get me to keep my tab open all night! Are they crazy? I'm not trying to get all drunk before I have to catch the train back home. But obviously all these women want is what's in your pocket. And forget about asking for a date. They wont even batter an eyelash if you try, regardless of how much you put in their buckets and how often you come into their joint showing how decent a guy you are. Seems like there cant be enough evil women to go around .
musemaj11 Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I tip, but I hate tipping. Its a foolish custom. The fact that Im paying for the service or the product should be enough. I have worked customer service job and although I appreciated tips but I never ever expected any. In the past tip was nothing but a bonus for extraordinary service. But today tipping is like paying on date. Its expected.
D-Lish Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Well whomever served you and gave you back a five dollar bill instead of five ones is not a smart server. If you ever want to get excellent service, make your first tip a nice one- they'll make you a priority.
musemaj11 Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Even though I have worked a few different service jobs, but I was never a server. Can anyone tell me why I should leave a big tip if Im not a demanding customer? When I go to a restaurant, I order what I want, eat the food, never complain, about anything and I leave. I dont see why I should tip the server guy while I dont have to tip the 7-11 guy next door who also makes next to nothing. If you dont like being a server then maybe go look for another job.
D-Lish Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Even though I have worked a few different service jobs, but I was never a server. Can anyone tell me why I should leave a big tip if Im not a demanding customer? When I go to a restaurant, I order what I want, eat the food, never complain, about anything and I leave. I dont see why I should tip the server guy while I dont have to tip the 7-11 guy next door who also makes next to nothing. If you dont like being a server then maybe go look for another job. I don't where tipping for alcohol and not for other services became the norm. I am in retail- I am in upper management now, but I certainly paid my dues along the way. The pay is always crappy, and you put up with a lot of crap. Sometimes you work on commission, but not always. Along the way I have spent literally hours with a customer only to have them walk out and not buy anything. I can't tell you how many times I have seen the girls in my stores run off their feet serving someone, appeasing them, only to have a customer treat them badly, not buy something, or only buy something on sale. These girls work for minimum, and they certainly don't get paid well- yet they run off their feet to appease customers. I was in a store the other day, and my sales associate had spent 2 HOURS with a woman in the changeroom, fitting her for a bra- bringing her every style, colour, etc- and the woman came out after being served for 2 hours, asked for the total- then left because $38 was too much for her to spend. This happens a lot, and often. I tip for coffee every morning- I tip the person that takes 10 seconds to draw my beer from a tap. We don't tip the people that are making just as crap money and running off their feet to serve you. Mind you, I am in Canada- so you get a small base wage to sling beer. My friends at my condo in florida work on tips alone, without a base pay. So yeah, they won't pay attention to someone that doesn't tip initially. I should start a facebook revolution to encourage people to tip the retail associate that goes above and beyond. Tipping mentality isn't balanced.
EricaH329 Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 I haven't read this entire thread, but I already know what I want to say. Bartenders make the same as waitresses do, in the US. 3 dollars an hour. The only way we make our money is off of tips. If we make you a drink, or bring you food, we expect to be tipped if our service was adequate. It's crazy not to pay someone something they deserve, especially after serving *you* a particular service. We don't get paid hourly like everyone else does.
Art_Critic Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) I dont see why I should tip the server guy while I dont have to tip the 7-11 guy next door who also makes next to nothing. The guy at the 7-11 is drawing about 2.5 times in wages as a server, the servers wages and pay is is adjusted so that with tips they makes what the guy at 7-11 makes. Don't pay them tips and they don't make any money.. simple really Edited April 24, 2011 by Art_Critic
Nexus One Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Bartenders make the same as waitresses do, in the US. 3 dollars an hour. The only way we make our money is off of tips. I didn't even know it was that low. Given that there is now a minimum wage of $7.25, how is that even legal?
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