StoneCold Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 Why arent women required to have game? Because they have a pus*y c'mon guys 5 pages to figure this out?
kiss_andmakeup Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 Why arent women required to have game? Because they have a pus*y c'mon guys 5 pages to figure this out? See my post at the top of page 2.
Mrlonelyone Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 Men and women both have games they play they are mostly the same. The name of the game is seduction. Since most people have someone who is at least interested in them a little in their life, then to get anyone to fall for you means using game to lure them to you. No one, I mean NO ONE is such a big looser that nobody is interested in dating them. (Many who are lonely just don't realize it.) The game is to get the person to choose you over the competition. For men and women both looks matter. If there is a difference between mens and womens looks it is this. Cosmetics, an cosmetic surgery are socially way more acceptable for a woman. Meanwhile men are either born hot or they are not (which working out can change a little bit). Since most men are not born with an attractive face or don't mature with a good look, they are forced to spend more effort on their "game". While an unattractive woman can with cosmetics and surgery look pretty and ignore game to an extent.
AmEricanWomann Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 Well, it depends on who the guy is. I'm an attractive woman, and can get alot of guys without any game. But I have a crush on Till Lindemann, the lead singer of German rock group Rammstein. He's 48, but his last/current girlfriend is a beautiful blonde 21 year old actress. I admit that's a bit out of my league. So if I wanted him , I would have to have "game". Anyway, I think I've figured out a way to seduce him if I ever meet him. Ya'll tell me if this is good "game". Ok, so I meet Till. I look deeply into his beautiful green eyes. I brush my fingers lightly across his cheek. In my most seductive voice I speak his name "Till". Now I have his rapt attention..."Ja?" He says. I continue to stare into his eyes and in the same voice that I used to speak his name I part my lips and say .........."If you don't do me, that makes you an anti-semite!" Now that, my good readers, is game! Amirite?? Note, this will only work on Germans and probably only for the next 10 years or so.
zengirl Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 Nope, because any self-respecting man wouldn't agree to that. A grown man should take care of himself and not rely on others. I've seen househusbands, and I don't think they -- or housewives -- are "not taking care of themselves." The point of a family is you become a self-contained unit (I couldn't afford to keep a HH, and I never want to be a HW for the record, as I love teaching) and you rely on each other and take care of each other. If you have kids, I think it's a viable option for one partner to either work less/work from home/not work in order to raise kids in the manner you want, if that's a choice the family makes together. Nothing wrong with it. One of my best friends is a corporate lawyer, and her husband doesn't really work anymore (he has some gigs as a musician and comedy performer, so he brings in a little money, but not much) and stays home with the kids. Before that, he had a professional job (He was a music teacher at an Elementary School), but when they had the baby, they both decided someone should stay home. A music teacher cannot support a family on his own; a corporate lawyer can. Also, he is a fantastic SAHD -- super fun and perfect at it. I don't think it makes him any less of a man.
AmEricanWomann Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 That was pretty fun. You've just lifted from this thread, the dark cloud it had, thanks for that, and as a woman with sense of humor, I'm sure he would find you interesting. Thanks Mr C. I admit I am often guilty of falling into the cycle of bitterness and bickering that seems to permeate dating and other male/female type forums. Actually I guess all forums are like that to some extent. I've seen trolls and people spoiling for a fight in what would seem like the most benign message boards. Pet forums, cooking sites all seem to have their angry posters or people just looking for a reaction, but I know it never really does much good to argue, it only winds up in a vicious cycle where the "winner" seems to be the person with the stamina to continue the argument the longest, so I do try to lighten things up with humor. So, you think think Till would find me interesting?Awesome!
zengirl Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 I wonder who pursued who in that relationship. I just think it's very emasculating for a man to actually pursue a more succesful woman and it puts him in too much of a disadvantage. I honestly think who pursues who should be based on who has more money. I don't think a woman should pursue a man who earns more than her either, it puts her at too much of a disadantage. It evens out, if one pursues and the other earns less money. Otherwise there won't be a balance of "power", if the one who has been pursued also earns more money she/he will have a permanent upper hand over the other and that doesn't seem healthy for a relationship. He asked her out for the first time, I think, but it was like a decade ago and I didn't know them then. They were already living together (not married yet, no kids) when I first met them. They were in the same adult kickball league in their 20s. I don't think he views her as "having the upper hand." They have a pretty great marriage. I don't think ANYONE in a good marriage has an upperhand (or the opposite) or views dating or relationships as a powerstruggle.
Enchanted Girl Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 No you don't. You're decent looking, not a slut, good personality: you'll be just fine. Actually, no. I've always been like that and not always pursued by men. I'm fatter now than I used to be, but I didn't used to have game so no one asked me out back then. I was too shy, didn't know how to flirt, and gave off a vibe of desperation. In the six months, I've gotten game and even though I look much worse than I used to, I've been pursued by men 10 times. I used to actually have to pursue men because they would never pursue me and I was WAY prettier back then. You do have to have game as a girl. It doesn't matter how pretty you are. If you don't have it, no one will look at you.
musemaj11 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) I'm fatter now than I used to be, but I didn't used to have game so no one asked me out back then. I was too shy, didn't know how to flirt, and gave off a vibe of desperation. Being not shy is not really having game. Its just being 'normal' so to speak. In my experience, all a woman needs to do to find someone is by looking decent and being social. Thats it. You dont need any game. The hardest part for many men to get to know a woman he is interested in is the breaking the ice part. Once you have broken the ice with a guy, he will show you if he is interested. An interested man is much easier to notice than an interested woman. Edited April 21, 2011 by musemaj11
somedude81 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 This thread is completely ridiculous. The only game a woman needs, is to take care of herself. Look nice, smell good, be approachable. If she wants a guy all she has to do is give little signals of interest. If she is confident she can actually approach him to break the ice. Then just let him do all the work. In terms of difficulty, women are playing T-ball while men have to play in the major leagues. Whether they are good enough to be there or not.
zengirl Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 This thread is completely ridiculous. The only game a woman needs, is to take care of herself. Look nice, smell good, be approachable. If she wants a guy all she has to do is give little signals of interest. If she is confident she can actually approach him to break the ice. Then just let him do all the work. In terms of difficulty, women are playing T-ball while men have to play in the major leagues. Whether they are good enough to be there or not. All a guy has to do is look good, be nice, and go up to girls and ask them out. They won't all say yes, just like every guy I want to approach me won't (nor will every guy I ask out), or even be available, but it's not like guys have to do all that much either. It's all about looking good, being relatively cool and not crazy, having confidence, and talking to people whether you're male or female. Too many guys on LS psyche themselves out about dating. But, then, a lot of gals here do too.
AD1980 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Have "game?" What is that? And at least men don't have to be beautiful. Men and women value looks just as much the idea men dont have to be attractive at all for most women to go out with him is laughable..
somedude81 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 All a guy has to do is look good, be nice, and go up to girls and ask them out. They won't all say yes, You're right they all won't say yes. Somewhere around less than 10% will. A woman's default reaction to a man asking her out is to say no. That's why men need game. And it's far beyond needing to look good, being nice and asking them out. Those things are the most basic requirement. If they aren't done, a man will get nothing. Women get hit on and asked out just because they are women. It doesn't matter if she's not wearing any make up, hair's a mess and clothes are frumpy, she will still get hit on. just like every guy I want to approach me won't (nor will every guy I ask out), or even be available, but it's not like guys have to do all that much either. It's not even a context if she's available or not. I've been rejected by a ton of girls who were "available." As I said before, a woman's default reaction is to say no. On the other hand if a guy is available, and a girl approaches him or asks him out, his default reaction is to say yes; as long as he is somewhat attracted to her, which is not hard at all. It's all about looking good, being relatively cool and not crazy, having confidence, and talking to people whether you're male or female. Yeah that's a requirement for both. But going back to my baseball analogy. When a woman does that, she gets a home-run. If a guy does that, it'll get him to first. He's going to do need to do a lot more to score.
zengirl Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I disagree about defaults. At least when you get to people -- men or women -- who take dating seriously. If you take a desperate guy who feels like he never gets anywhere with women, sure, his default is to say "Yes" but I have male friends who turn down dates with girls they'd never go out with (unattractive, too slutty, nothing in common, whatever the reason). Heck, I'm a pretty girl who has no trouble getting dates, and I've had a guy turn me down. I also know TONS of girls who have trouble getting dates who will say "Yes" to guys who do less than thrill them. Personally, I don't think my default is "No," but most guys who do cold-approaches deserve a "No." They are usually pretty slimy. I've seen very few good cold-approaches in my life, and that's mostly because normal, good, awesome gals and guys don't really have to resort to cold approaches. If they do make one, it's rare, and it was for a reason. Your logic applies well to say, the dating scene in HS or college though.
somedude81 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Have "game?" What is that? And at least men don't have to be beautiful. Men and women value looks just as much the idea men dont have to be attractive at all for most women to go out with him is laughable.. AD is right. I'd actually take it a step further, men do have to be "beautiful," in a masculine way. We need to make sure that we have a cool haircut and have flattering facial hair or be clean shaven, whatever looks best. It's also very important to have a decent amount of muscle. I don't use the gym three times a week because I want to. I do it to look good for the women. Then we need to make sure we are wearing stylish clothes and have nice shoes. Those things are male beauty. Not to mention that men are judged on their facial appearance just like women are, and then men have the added requirement of needing to be tall. In all actual reality, it's much more important for a man to look good than for a woman. All a girl really need to do is not be fat and try to minimize things that detract from her appearance like piercings and tattoos. As long as they are form-fitting, a girls clothes don't matter at all. Still it is amazing how some girls can screw this up. It's usually done by adding too much. All that's needed is a tight t-shirt and jeans/shorts. Make-up, stylish hair, cute shoes, all of them are irrelevant.
carhill Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 OP, would you want to date a woman who's 'yapping' about men not having 'game'? Problem solved. Game over
Darren Taylor Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 AD is right. I'd actually take it a step further, men do have to be "beautiful," in a masculine way. We need to make sure that we have a cool haircut and have flattering facial hair or be clean shaven, whatever looks best. It's also very important to have a decent amount of muscle. I don't use the gym three times a week because I want to. I do it to look good for the women. Then we need to make sure we are wearing stylish clothes and have nice shoes. Those things are male beauty. Not to mention that men are judged on their facial appearance just like women are, and then men have the added requirement of needing to be tall. In all actual reality, it's much more important for a man to look good than for a woman. All a girl really need to do is not be fat and try to minimize things that detract from her appearance like piercings and tattoos. As long as they are form-fitting, a girls clothes don't matter at all. Still it is amazing how some girls can screw this up. It's usually done by adding too much. All that's needed is a tight t-shirt and jeans/shorts. Make-up, stylish hair, cute shoes, all of them are irrelevant. I don't necessarily agree with every little detail, but it's not far off for the most part. I remember looking back when I was say 14, 15, and 16. Average height, scrawny, acne, average looking, shy. I was overlooked constantly. Now I'm 22(23 in a few months), 6'2", not scrawny anymore, acne is gone, baby fat around the jaw is gone, and my cheekbones are more prominent. I also model part time and it's while it seems like I have it all, it depresses me that not only do I get more female attention now, but the same ones that wanted nothing to do with me in high school all of a sudden are interested in me. Like seriously, where were you 7, 8, 9 years ago?
AD1980 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I don't necessarily agree with every little detail, but it's not far off for the most part. I remember looking back when I was say 14, 15, and 16. Average height, scrawny, acne, average looking, shy. I was overlooked constantly. Now I'm 22(23 in a few months), 6'2", not scrawny anymore, acne is gone, baby fat around the jaw is gone, and my cheekbones are more prominent. I also model part time and it's while it seems like I have it all, it depresses me that not only do I get more female attention now, but the same ones that wanted nothing to do with me in high school all of a sudden are interested in me. Like seriously, where were you 7, 8, 9 years ago? Women will say it has nothing to do with looks but your "confidence" :laugh:
rocketboy9 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) I think this constant analyzing about how dating isnt fair for men is starting to get ridiculous. Asking why dont women have to have game is like asking why do birds fly and pigs dont? Its because she is a female, thats it. In the animal kingdom, no matter matter what kind of critter you are the males court the females. Thats just how it is. I question why these guys keep bringing this up. Is it because you are nervous, afraid of rejection or just plain lazy. Questioning why its this way wont get you jack. If you are not reasonably fit, arent groomed and cant speak about stuff beyond sports and video games you need to get a life. Learn to have a conversation about ANYTHING. Women like guys that are well rounded and can speak about tons of stuff. I am not sure I have game but what I do is just say "hi" and smile. I dont have a canned line and usually make some comment about something in the environment, what they are wearing/doing. Thats enough to get the conversation rolling. I dont believe in any of that crap these pick up artists talk about - push/pull, kino or anything else. I just talk to her and am usually pretty funny and charming. The rest takes care of itself. The point is you need to be able to carry on a conversation with a stranger. I am blunt and straight to the point and I say something like this "I think you are beautiful/attractive/whatever and would like to know you better. I would love to take you to dinner sometime, can I have your number". Usually the women are so stunned that I dont beat around the bush that they give it to me. Whether they will go out with me is a whole other story. If she says no, she is involved, whatever I dont get bent. I just say something like "thats ok, good for you. I will be eternally jealous of him". Women eat it up. Trust me, you are over thinking it. I know because I used to do it and not talk to anyone at all. I read something once about shy people, that when a shy person is having a conversation with a real person they are having a conversation with themselves. This leads to awkwardness and the conversation not flowing. The simple truth is to just focus on the other person. Just really pay attention when they speak. For example: If she says, I just came back from vacation. I ask where did you go? She will than say Florida. I say oh yeah, where in Florida? She will say Miami Beach. I will say I have been to Miami Beach, did you have a good time or was the weather good, blah, blah.. Thats all you really need to do. Dont over think, dont over analyze it. Just learn to have a conversation and the rest will take care of itself. Edited April 21, 2011 by rocketboy9
zengirl Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 The point is you need to be able to carry on a conversation with a stranger. This is actually, very simply, what I consider "game" to be in terms of the sentence ("He has no game"). And I think men and women both need it to be successful daters.
hART Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 No, we are just expected to keep up the house, work and look pretty. We aren't allowed to fart, cuss, or act unladylike. No one should have to play games, even as a teen it was basic: We like each other, lets hang out.
somedude81 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 This is actually, very simply, what I consider "game" to be in terms of the sentence ("He has no game"). And I think men and women both need it to be successful daters. LOL, no. I can do that. The most important part was this "I just talk to her and am usually pretty funny and charming."And that's what game is. I'm funny on occasion, but nobody would ever call me charming.
Darren Taylor Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Women will say it has nothing to do with looks but your "confidence" :laugh: Right. I act no differently than I did when I was in high school. Only difference is I'm about 6 inches taller, more muscular, and my looks matured. Nothing else has changed.
Woggle Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I never used game to get a woman. I just simply talk to them and for the most part it actually worked. Even if I didn't get a date I almost never got a nasty response.
Enchanted Girl Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Being not shy is not really having game. Its just being 'normal' so to speak. In my experience, all a woman needs to do to find someone is by looking decent and being social. Thats it. You dont need any game. The hardest part for many men to get to know a woman he is interested in is the breaking the ice part. Once you have broken the ice with a guy, he will show you if he is interested. An interested man is much easier to notice than an interested woman. You're focusing on only one thing I said. Even though I'm not shy now, I didn't approach any of the men who pursued me recently. I also did talk to men when I was shy on occasion, but they never felt attracted to me and a few of them were honest enough to tell me that it was because acted really insecure and like I'd say yes to anything. Like I was desperate basically and I didn't act at all sexual openly. I had a friend in high school that was very pretty. I was so jealous of her, but no guy ever noticed her. She had never had a boyfriend. She had no game. It was rather ridiculous since she had a very curvy body (good kind of curvy, not fat kind), long pretty black hair, large brown eyes and full lips. But she was shy and very conservative sexually. I also had this other friend who was very ugly. She was gangly. Completely flat chested. Tiny eyes. Nappy hair. Big feet and thin lips. Men asked her out constantly. And that was because of how confident she was and how she flirted and acted sexual. It's hard to explain, but I did a lot of things in my life to try to improve my appearance with no results and no men noticing me, but when I, ironically, lost a lot of that and started being more confident and projecting myself in a certain way, then men started noticing me more. Girls do have to have game. Guys just don't realize that they always go for the girls who act a certain way and not even notice the girls that don't.
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