Woggle Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 as if. Are you telling me Tiger Woods' ex wife wasn't a gold digger? LOL! Anyways, all of you missed the point of this thread. Sigh..whatever okay. It's not like anyone of us is going to be THAT successful anyways. So why worry about something that's not going to happen? I don't think she was. She truly seems to be hurt by what he did and if she were she would have stayed with him to keep up his image. She had enough self respect to not put up with it.
mr.dream merchant Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 How so? I have a paid-for 5 bedroom house in an upscale suburb with a pool and on a lake. I own 4 cars, one a jaguar. I make a nice salary and have 8 weeks of vacation to use up this year (if I use it all) and go on two vacations a year and on every other year a cruise (one of my closest friends is an executive at a cruiseline so I get awesome deals). I spend weekends in Naples, Orlando and Key West pretty much at will. I have medical and retirement benefits and am the beneficiary of a generation skipping trust fund of between 3 and 6 million. My kids all have paid for college educations. I've been to the last two Superbowls held in my city, and had unfettered access to everything--this guy will NEVER have that no matter how much money he has (unless he becomes a cabinet member or gets elected president--and thinks to ask. The players don't have the access I have). What can this man give me? A yacht? They can be rented here by the week with a full crew if I wanted, and just about every other friend I have here owns a boat. I have a cleaning lady and when the kids aren't around a pool man and a yard guy come by once a week. I belong to a golf club. What do I need this guy for? Do I need a bigger house? I'm a single woman. Do I need more cars? More vacations, more financial security? What can this guy do for me financially I haven't done for myself? Nothing. I'm looking for a companion. Nothing in that man's profile suggests he will be in any way a satisfactory companion. All he has to offer are things I don't want or need. So how did I mess up? Who knows, I didn't even care enough to read your whole reply.
gaius Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 How so? I have a paid-for 5 bedroom house in an upscale suburb with a pool and on a lake. I own 4 cars, one a jaguar. I make a nice salary and have 8 weeks of vacation to use up this year (if I use it all) and go on two vacations a year and on every other year a cruise (one of my closest friends is an executive at a cruiseline so I get awesome deals). I spend weekends in Naples, Orlando and Key West pretty much at will. I have medical and retirement benefits and am the beneficiary of a generation skipping trust fund of between 3 and 6 million. My kids all have paid for college educations. I've been to the last two Superbowls held in my city, and had unfettered access to everything--this guy will NEVER have that no matter how much money he has (unless he becomes a cabinet member or gets elected president--and thinks to ask. The players don't have the access I have). So, dinner and a movie on saturday? I don't think she was. She truly seems to be hurt by what he did and if she were she would have stayed with him to keep up his image. She had enough self respect to not put up with it. Yeah, there are some rich people who have more to offer then just money. From what I've heard about tiger woods he actually had a decent personality.
LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 Decent personalities don't cheat on their wives. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. To bring this thread back on topic, I wouldn't date a girl if she was just with me for my money. Even if it was a celebrity. Who's to say that she won't "replace me" with someone else, once the money dries up? I want someone to grow old with, not someone to grow poor with!
thatdog Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Now you know how I feel when men tell me to wear make up, change the way I look and stuff. Men don't like it when they're told to buck up and work hard to be successful to get women but they don't think how women feel when you tell them they're ugly and that attractiveness is what it's about to get a man. I rest my case, thank you. Then you are talking to the wrong men. IMO getting heavily dressed up and made up so u can find a guy only works if you are looking for a fling or a one nighter. the guys that need to to be pretty like that are also going to be the ones that take a look at you the morning after and run out the door. Any gf i've had that i've been serious about I've been attracted to them as a whole enough not to ever care if they dressed up and put on make up (though i still admit it's nice if they do it every now and then but it certainly isn't the be all and end all). I find most girls just do this naturally anyway. I've had a lot of friends tell me that they dress up to look good for themselves and their friends more than to try and attract a guy.
gaius Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Just because I'm male I should have a guy's picture? That's sexist. My username is the title of a song sung by a fictional tragic character named Vera Keyes as pictured in my avatar with some of the lyrics being in my sig if it shows up. This all came from a PC and console game titled Fallout New Vegas but particularly an expansion called Dead Money. Here is the song if you want to give it a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgZ3sryr87I Ahh thanks for the info, I haven't had a chance to play that one yet so I was ignorant! Decent personalities don't cheat on their wives. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I was referring to how he personally interacted with women, not the choices he made in his marriage. Was friendly and tried to entertain his company. Didn't spend a lot of time online blaming women for all his personal failures or anything ridiculous like that.
LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Beautiful on the inside, or the outside? And gaius, I'm done blaming women. That card has been played to death. I've realized that it's my own fault that I'm single, and therefore I will stop the blame game, and aim to change myself.
J200 Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Ok, I'm a woman. My theory is that the majority of men do work hard and bust their asses off in order to get sex and lots of women. I think most women really underestimate how strong a man's sex drive is and how much it drives a man in life. I also think that the majority of wealthy men don't CARE if they get a beautiful woman who may want him for his money because since he has the money, he has the POWER and you bet your ASS he will be sleeping with HUNDREDS of other women while married. So the rich guy could care less if his wife wanted him for money because all he wanted was a "trophy wife" for image but a man with lots of money can afford the most beautiful and exotic prostitutes that money can buy including even some top models etc and will be able to get free sex from lots of beautiful women too. Most rich men do not want true love, they only want a trophy wife to make them look good while they screw around on their wife and I'm willing to bet that most gold diggers put up with it because they know that's the price they pay when they get involved with a wealthy man. Anyone who thinks a wealthy man can be faithful is delusional; a man is only as faithful as his options and men with money have A LOT of options.
fortyninethousand322 Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Ok, I'm a woman. My theory is that the majority of men do work hard and bust their asses off in order to get sex and lots of women. I think most women really underestimate how strong a man's sex drive is and how much it drives a man in life. I also think that the majority of wealthy men don't CARE if they get a beautiful woman who may want him for his money because since he has the money, he has the POWER and you bet your ASS he will be sleeping with HUNDREDS of other women while married. So the rich guy could care less if his wife wanted him for money because all he wanted was a "trophy wife" for image but a man with lots of money can afford the most beautiful and exotic prostitutes that money can buy including even some top models etc and will be able to get free sex from lots of beautiful women too. Most rich men do not want true love, they only want a trophy wife to make them look good while they screw around on their wife and I'm willing to bet that most gold diggers put up with it because they know that's the price they pay when they get involved with a wealthy man. Anyone who thinks a wealthy man can be faithful is delusional; a man is only as faithful as his options and men with money have A LOT of options. I think making this assumption (what I bolded) is a very dangerous road to go down. Essentially what you're saying is that wealthy men cheat (either in entirety or in general) and if any don't it's because they have a low sex drive. As cynical as I am I don't think I would make such a blanket statement.
Chicago_Guy Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Men, let's say you know what girls would want you if you make this amount of money, wouldn't you work hard towards it? Coz seriously...no girl will turn down a rich and successful guy.... That's the truth. No matter how fat or ugly you are, if you are successful and have a big bank account, do you think you CAN"T have any girl you want? So if that's the case, why don't men just work REALLY hard? I don't mean to say that you need to be as rich as Donald Trump, but at least a professional, have your own place, a car...you know, the kind of stuff that women admire in a man. I call b.s. I actually have found that making a decent amount of money is of very little significance to most women, at least in the big city in which I live. In fact, working in a high paying job is a actually somewhat of a negative thing to a lot of women because men making a lot of money tend to work longer hours than other men. Maybe women care about how much money a man makes when they are looking to get married, but it doesn't seem like much of a factor for women looking to date. At least that is my impression and several of my peers have made the same observation. When I meet women who are attracted to me, it is usually because they think I am good-looking or cute or whatever, but being professionally successful doesn't seem to be much of a factor. When I was younger, I always assumed that women would value men who are professionally and financially successful, but my own experience has shown that this isn't true at all. Maybe if a man makes $1 million+ per year that would be a factor, but making $100-200k doesn't seem to make a difference.
Chicago_Guy Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Ok, I'm a woman. My theory is that the majority of men do work hard and bust their asses off in order to get sex and lots of women. I think most women really underestimate how strong a man's sex drive is and how much it drives a man in life. I also think that the majority of wealthy men don't CARE if they get a beautiful woman who may want him for his money because since he has the money, he has the POWER and you bet your ASS he will be sleeping with HUNDREDS of other women while married. So the rich guy could care less if his wife wanted him for money because all he wanted was a "trophy wife" for image but a man with lots of money can afford the most beautiful and exotic prostitutes that money can buy including even some top models etc and will be able to get free sex from lots of beautiful women too. Most rich men do not want true love, they only want a trophy wife to make them look good while they screw around on their wife and I'm willing to bet that most gold diggers put up with it because they know that's the price they pay when they get involved with a wealthy man. Anyone who thinks a wealthy man can be faithful is delusional; a man is only as faithful as his options and men with money have A LOT of options. You have a very cynical view of men. What you wrote is essentially equivalent to claiming that a beautiful woman will never be faithful because she has so many other options.
J200 Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 I think making this assumption (what I bolded) is a very dangerous road to go down. Essentially what you're saying is that wealthy men cheat (either in entirety or in general) and if any don't it's because they have a low sex drive. As cynical as I am I don't think I would make such a blanket statement. Not ALL but for the majority; yes. I have somewhat successful guys say that they are "the best" and only want the most beautiful woman; has to be a perfect 10. Obviously this guy doesn't care if she wants him for money. He also travels to other countries and has sex with prostitutes all the time. My grandfather was very wealthy and had different kids with numerous women when married to my grandmother. Most wealthy men have a lot of options if they want to take those options. They can literally buy the company of "models" (there are some that work as high priced escorts; Playboy models and even some "real" models). Look at Tiger Woods; classic case of wealthy man.
fortyninethousand322 Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Not ALL but for the majority; yes. I have somewhat successful guys say that they are "the best" and only want the most beautiful woman; has to be a perfect 10. Obviously this guy doesn't care if she wants him for money. He also travels to other countries and has sex with prostitutes all the time. My grandfather was very wealthy and had different kids with numerous women when married to my grandmother. Most wealthy men have a lot of options if they want to take those options. They can literally buy the company of "models" (there are some that work as high priced escorts; Playboy models and even some "real" models). Look at Tiger Woods; classic case of wealthy man. Tiger Woods was a classic case of having severe psychological issues. Depending on what you define as "wealthy" there are a lot of wealthy men in this world and unless you have a study to back up your anecdotes the highest percentage of wealthy men who cheat in the fashion that you outline that I'd believe is 50%. Again, if you have some kind of study or finding that says otherwise I'll stand corrected.
Ruby Slippers Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 If I had that kind of money, women who refuse me... I just reported you for this super creepy post.
Darren Taylor Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Whether or not someone cheats has to do with their character and how they were brought up, regardless of how good they look. I'm a part time model and I was brought up to not be like that. Good looking and wealthy men certainly have more options than the average person, but if they were brought up right, then they won't cheat. Using the above logic, gorgeous women cheat because they can have any guy they want.
Nexus One Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Anyone who thinks a wealthy man can be faithful is delusional; a man is only as faithful as his options and men with money have A LOT of options. I'm sorry you had to go through whatever it is you went through to come to this conclusion. A person doesn't say something like this without reason, so I'm also sorry you never met a decent guy that would have balanced out your view on this point. Not all men are rotten to the core like that.
Woggle Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Any married man has plenty of options because there are some women out there who see a wedding and want to pounce. It has to do with his character. I am making pretty good money these days and I have been in situations where I could cheat and get away with it yet chose not to.
J200 Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Tiger Woods was a classic case of having severe psychological issues. Depending on what you define as "wealthy" there are a lot of wealthy men in this world and unless you have a study to back up your anecdotes the highest percentage of wealthy men who cheat in the fashion that you outline that I'd believe is 50%. Again, if you have some kind of study or finding that says otherwise I'll stand corrected. Fifty percent or even 40 percent of wealthy men cheating in this fashion are not good odds. Poor guys cheat to; I have been with a poor one that did. However I feel the odds are worse with a wealthy man.
J200 Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 I'm sorry you had to go through whatever it is you went through to come to this conclusion. A person doesn't say something like this without reason, so I'm also sorry you never met a decent guy that would have balanced out your view on this point. Not all men are rotten to the core like that. It's mainly from observations; from observing other people I know and family members but PLENTY of poor guys cheat too. PLENTY of poor guys also have tons of options believe it or not. It's just that wealthy men have the options ten-fold. I have been through a lot and I've never experienced a decent guy myself but I'm sure that has something to do with me as a person as well; so I take full responsibility for that. I am probably not the most well-rounded woman in order to deserve a good man so I choose to be alone.
Nexus One Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 the highest percentage of wealthy men who cheat in the fashion that you outline that I'd believe is 50%. Fifty percent or even 40 percent of wealthy men cheating in this fashion are not good odds. Poor guys cheat to; I have been with a poor one that did. However I feel the odds are worse with a wealthy man. The 50% is the same for all men, whether it is poor or rich, so wealth is likely irrelevant in that regard. However, women cheat with almost the same percentage, albeit a slightly lower percentage. So it's not like men are a whole lot worse when it comes to cheating. There are so many statistics and odds that "work" against both men and women in regards to finding a compatible quality partner, that in my opinion it's just best to accept those numbers and do your best to beat the odds. According to a 40-year long study from the Kinsey institute only 10% of couples stay in a crush/love with each other for the rest of their lives. I'd say those couples managed to pull it off.
J200 Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 The 50% is the same for all men, whether it is poor or rich, so wealth is likely irrelevant in that regard. However, women cheat with almost the same percentage, albeit a slightly lower percentage. So it's not like men are a whole lot worse when it comes to cheating. There are so many statistics and odds that "work" against both men and women in regards to finding a compatible quality partner, that in my opinion it's just best to accept those numbers and do your best to beat the odds. According to a 40-year long study from the Kinsey institute only 10% of couples stay in a crush/love with each other for the rest of their lives. I'd say those couples managed to pull it off. Those odds are not worth it to me. My best bet (anyone else's best as well) is to just stay alone. No partner required. At least you can trust yourself and know that you will not betray yourself. Stay active, get a lot of hobbies and satisfy yourself with a fwb or porn. That goes for both males and females. I really think relationships are not worth it.
Nexus One Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 (edited) Those odds are not worth it to me. My best bet (anyone else's best as well) is to just stay alone. No partner required. That would be the safest route, can't argue with that. At least you can trust yourself and know that you will not betray yourself. That's only true if you have complete and absolute self control. I've yet to meet a human being that has that quality to its fullest extent, but perhaps "close enough" is good enough in this regard. I will not argue that we as human beings can trust ourselves up to a certain extent, but I will similarly not argue that our self control will get tested throughout our lives and that many people will fail in that regard in certain situations and scenarios. I get what you're trying to say though, you mean to barricade yourself from all external human factors that can cause you suffering. The humans that you do allow to approach are allowed to do so only in a controlled environment and according to set rules. Except that mechanism that you've set up to protect yourself will not only get tested by external factors, you yourself are as much a factor in it. And there's where the self control I mentioned comes in. I'm willing to bet that you can get into situations where you will start to doubt the extent of the self control that you have. One of such situations is when you fall into a crush/love. I'm willing to bet that you'd be willing drop the belief that you can trust yourself and will not betray yourself once you really fall into a crush/love. Stay active, get a lot of hobbies and satisfy yourself with a fwb or porn. That goes for both males and females. I really think relationships are not worth it. And you can live that way and hold that belief only as long as you do not fall into a crush/love. I actually think you'd be lucky if you manage to pull it off and the reason for that is that 97% of all people will by the end of their lives have been married at least once. So what you're saying is that you intend to be among the remaining 3%. My hat off to you if you manage to pull that off and be happy at the same time. I don't disagree with you, but I do think that in order for you to pull it off for the rest of your life you'd have to have a good amount of luck and self control. You have no control over the amount of luck you will have and the amount of self control you have is hard to measure. I'm generally in the camp that says that humans will not know how they will react in certain situations until it actually happens. Situations in your life can come up that can cause you to consider to step out of the mechanism you have built for yourself. There's a 97% chance that you will. My point is that those are the odds you have against you when you intend to stick to your plan. Edited April 11, 2011 by Nexus One
gryoe Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 The hottest clubs at the moment are Pure at Caesar's Palace, Tao at the Venetian, Jet at the Mirage. Celebrities go there all the time,well, that's all I can think I hope you have fun.There is a pretty extensive list of clubs around the country located at Vegas Restaurant.
Jynxx Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Coz seriously...no girl will turn down a rich and successful guy.... That's the truth. No matter how fat or ugly you are, if you are successful and have a big bank account, do you think you CAN"T have any girl you want? As someone who made mid 6 figures a year when I was 20 and remained a virgin till the age of 23, all I can say is you're either clueless or kidding
Sanman Posted April 11, 2011 Posted April 11, 2011 Orangelady, I read the first page of this thread so forgive if I am off the ball with this comment. You seem to be making a point that men getting money is equivalent to women having to put on make up to get a man. My general rule of thumb of dating is that I expect from my partner what I would do my self. I generally keep in shape, dress well in stylish clothes, and am well groomed. I also have a solid career that makes good money. I expect a woman to do the same and that includes makeup. Now, I don't want a gucci purse wearing, overly made up princess. I am generally more of a t-shirt and jeans guy and look for the same in a woman. So, if you are talking about putting minimal effort in your appearance, that is fine as long as you want a guy who does the same. Otherwise balance is key. Same goes for women and money. I wouldn't expect a woman with a good career to be interested in me if I did not have a solid career of my own. However, I do.
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