Andy_K Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 Conversely why should a woman have to completely transform her appearance because wouldn't that mean that the man loves her false looks and not her? Not really. Your looks are not some separate entity like your bank account. They're part of you. Your body is an extention of your soul, and a reflection of your lifestyle & attitude. It's not just your shell, it's part of you, and should be treated accordingly. What if an important part of what a man falls in love with is a woman's desire to look her best? I'm not even sure men CAN just fall in love with a personality. I just don't think the biology works that way. No matter how nice someone is, if there's no physical attraction whatsoever there aren't going to be any butterflies. Men want to fall in love with someone who is beautiful on the inside and the outside. A complete package.
WellLetsSee Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 I do not value money a lot. I actually have a guy running after me at the moment who is some investment banker. And I am like ... no! leave me alone - I dont want to get involved with a person who is willing to work 80 hours a week.
Woggle Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 Because most men who bust their butts to be successful have little to no interest in a gold digging leech no matter how hot she is. They might as well give half their money to a woman that hates them and skip everything else.
BeginAgain Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 Men, let's say you know what girls would want you if you make this amount of money, wouldn't you work hard towards it? Coz seriously...no girl will turn down a rich and successful guy.... That's the truth. No matter how fat or ugly you are, if you are successful and have a big bank account, do you think you CAN"T have any girl you want? So if that's the case, why don't men just work REALLY hard? I don't mean to say that you need to be as rich as Donald Trump, but at least a professional, have your own place, a car...you know, the kind of stuff that women admire in a man. Because such things don't just grow on trees, it takes more than just simple effort to earn them, I am not ambitious or driven, I only have a passion for women and not bobbles or titles, and I probably don't care too much for being around people and manipulating people is mostly how you get those things. Also being rich, powerful, prestigious, and successful doesn't necessarily guarantee you women. Women respond more to assumed status, ie you walk the walk and talk the talk or women like a man in uniform, rather than real status unless you have been plastered everywhere like Tiger Woods. If women responded more to real status Asian men would be among the top daters outside of Asia but in the real world they aren't. They are the least in demand except to those of the exact same ethnicity whether it is Chinese, Japanese, etc. Another thing is even if you have it all but are short that is always a deal breaker. Even women shorter than a short guy will want much taller men and pick them over him. Women would rather lie down with a convicted murderer or rapist than a short man. Then again there are some women who find criminals hot since they see them as powerful or maybe they see them as someone to mother and fix.
youngskywalker Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 Because most men who bust their butts to be successful have little to no interest in a gold digging leech no matter how hot she is. They might as well give half their money to a woman that hates them and skip everything else. I second that.
Author orangelady Posted April 10, 2011 Author Posted April 10, 2011 Because most men who bust their butts to be successful have little to no interest in a gold digging leech no matter how hot she is. They might as well give half their money to a woman that hates them and skip everything else. as if. Are you telling me Tiger Woods' ex wife wasn't a gold digger? LOL! Anyways, all of you missed the point of this thread. Sigh..whatever okay. It's not like anyone of us is going to be THAT successful anyways. So why worry about something that's not going to happen?
MarlyStar Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 I said no to this: " own part of and manage part of a Wall Street Investment Bank and run several divisions of the firm. I also write a commentary on the financial markets which goes daily to approximately 5,500 financial institutions in forty-eight countries. I am a busy boy. First, I own a boat which I keep my house which is on the Las Olas Isles in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. My yacht is an 82’ Horizon which has three staterooms and carries a full time crew of three; a Captain, Chef and Stewardess. I am a gentleman who has his own preferences; like everyone else. I am 6’0” and about 185 lbs and in good shape. I have never been married and have no “known” children. I come from an old and established Mid-Western family and I have my own values and ethics. I prefer a naughty woman who will behave in less than a lady-like manner when the situation is right. My preference is for a female with very few limits. I enjoy a very playful woman who also is bright and has a good heart. You must be attractive and very sexual. You must know how to be a lady and also know when and how to not be a lady. I am looking for a woman that wants to lead a very upscale life with sensuality and friendship as part of the adventure. My lifestyle involves being on my yacht when possible, traveling all over the world, going out for nice dinners, drinking great wines and hanging out at my house. I have several other good toys such as a Rolls Royce Phantom convertible, a Mercedes 55 AMG SL and a Bentley convertible. I collect art, watches and wine. I own two dogs which are the delights of my life; they are Aussie rescue dogs. You must be loyal and honorable. " All I could think of was Yuck.
gaius Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 At the end of the day we are all just looking for our emotional needs to be met, men will work only as hard as they have to. Some get all they need working at the bowling alley and living with their parents, others are forced to be much more ambitious. Whats true, whats fake, doesn't really matter.
BeginAgain Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) I said no to this: " own part of and manage part of a Wall Street Investment Bank and run several divisions of the firm. I also write a commentary on the financial markets which goes daily to approximately 5,500 financial institutions in forty-eight countries. I am a busy boy. First, I own a boat which I keep my house which is on the Las Olas Isles in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. My yacht is an 82’ Horizon which has three staterooms and carries a full time crew of three; a Captain, Chef and Stewardess. I am a gentleman who has his own preferences; like everyone else. I am 6’0” and about 185 lbs and in good shape. I have never been married and have no “known” children. I come from an old and established Mid-Western family and I have my own values and ethics. I prefer a naughty woman who will behave in less than a lady-like manner when the situation is right. My preference is for a female with very few limits. I enjoy a very playful woman who also is bright and has a good heart. You must be attractive and very sexual. You must know how to be a lady and also know when and how to not be a lady. I am looking for a woman that wants to lead a very upscale life with sensuality and friendship as part of the adventure. My lifestyle involves being on my yacht when possible, traveling all over the world, going out for nice dinners, drinking great wines and hanging out at my house. I have several other good toys such as a Rolls Royce Phantom convertible, a Mercedes 55 AMG SL and a Bentley convertible. I collect art, watches and wine. I own two dogs which are the delights of my life; they are Aussie rescue dogs. You must be loyal and honorable. " All I could think of was Yuck. You say yuck now but you won't know until you try. It is a lot like a reuben, at least the way I make them. After the first bite you'll be thinking this is disgusting but by the second bite you'll be realizing hey this is disgustingly delicious:love: Some people are not the best communicators especially men plus he was reared in a lifestyle which focused on what he has earned. Therefore he thinks his value is only in these things and with the gasps women typically would give upon seeing these trinkets he thinks they are the only things women would value in him. That kind of thinking is not too far off. Women would put a lot of emphasis on these but there are other important things he would need to give. You should refrain from judging him until you know him better. He might be much more than his bobbles. Maybe I'm just saying pretty much be easy on him because I am a guy. It was pretty funny the no "known" children bit but women don't appreciate unintentional humor. I myself am having great difficulty filling out the description bit. Edited April 10, 2011 by BeginAgain
BeginAgain Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 as if. Are you telling me Tiger Woods' ex wife wasn't a gold digger? LOL! Anyways, all of you missed the point of this thread. Sigh..whatever okay. It's not like anyone of us is going to be THAT successful anyways. So why worry about something that's not going to happen? I only worry about achieving at least middle middle class success. Being upper middle would be nice but not necessary. Anything above that I don't really care. If I don't get on the space ship minutes before the Earth blows up because I was never that important a person in life that's okay. They'll probably die in space of dehydration or starvation anyways.
MarlyStar Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 He collects cars, dogs, art and women. He also has no 'known' diseases. All he wants from a woman is hot sex--when he says so. He has no interest in the inner life of a woman. THey are just one more thing he can buy. He's alone with all his toys at age 56 because he's insufferable. (He's on several of the OLD sites). He can't even hold onto a gold digger. And he says he's looking for LTR and marriage. How is he different from a woman who has nothing to offer but her good looks.
BeginAgain Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 You are going to be very hard pressed to find a man who doesn't want hot sex when he says so. It is the fantasy but men are always compromising all of their fantasies, more than women will know or believe, just to have someone. Most gold diggers are young, think it will be fun, and it'll be a party having an absurdly rich man but they aren't really interested in commitment. No one is just their looks or their toys. Yes, it is a very pretty, distracting packaging, but if you can't see past it then it isn't their fault. Don't blame them. Some will be a harder nut to crack to see what is inside. It doesn't mean nothing is there. With people like this no one cared enough to want to see what was there. Everyone was too superficial and awestruck by the front door to enter. You shouldn't expect it to spring forth out of the blue. It will need to be nurtured like a mighty maple from a tiny seed.
gaius Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 Yeah, he made it pretty clear in that pitch that he's interested in a girl who will have sex in exchange for access to his money and toys. Can see how that can be a huge turnoff. I myself am having great difficulty filling out the description bit. You seem to have a pretty keen, upbeat sense of humor based on your posts here. Anything that brings that across in your profile should attract some interest. How come you have a girl's picture for an avatar though?
Art_Critic Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 All I could think of was Yuck. All I could think of was not real and made up for a school project
Author orangelady Posted April 10, 2011 Author Posted April 10, 2011 Yeah, he made it pretty clear in that pitch that he's interested in a girl who will have sex in exchange for access to his money and toys. Can see how that can be a huge turnoff. You'd be surprised how it is not a turnoff for some women. You seem to have a pretty keen, upbeat sense of humor based on your posts here. Anything that brings that across in your profile should attract some interest. How come you have a girl's picture for an avatar though? Gaius, are you female/male?
Art_Critic Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 I said no to this: 50 and looking for 18-45 You forgot to post the top part... This profile is soooo not real... I am dominant by nature, as in a leader, makes his own way, has grand adventures and does not believe one whit in the notion of “something/anything that is meant to happen.” Opportunities are presented, paths are cut through the foliage and days are to be seized.
BeginAgain Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 You seem to have a pretty keen, upbeat sense of humor based on your posts here. Anything that brings that across in your profile should attract some interest. How come you have a girl's picture for an avatar though? Just because I'm male I should have a guy's picture? That's sexist. My username is the title of a song sung by a fictional tragic character named Vera Keyes as pictured in my avatar with some of the lyrics being in my sig if it shows up. This all came from a PC and console game titled Fallout New Vegas but particularly an expansion called Dead Money. Here is the song if you want to give it a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgZ3sryr87I
ccfan Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 You are trying to say that you don't understand why guys aren't working jobs they hate, risk a lifetime of health problems, and also asking why they aren't willing to shell out the cash, to date beautiful(or not)women. What's more to derive from your thread? You basically asked if men would work hard to have a beautiful girlfriend. Why are you asking this? Are you watching the men around you acting like slackers? That they aren't interested in the rat race? Maybe those guys figured out that relationships/beautiful women are overrated, and that if one has to bust his heart to get one, better stay in a low profile job, eating pizza with the buddies, instead of working and accumulating wealth, only to have it taken away - and no, pre-nups aren't security blankets. And yes, with the state of the economy, it won't take long for the state to consider any sexual relationship, regardless of how short it is, to be akin to marriage and therefore viable to be explored. Someone has to feed the lawyers! This man knows what he´s talking about
interfuse Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 That's not true. If the guy has money but is the biggest a-hole compared to a really sweet guy that's poor, I will choose the poor, sweet guy. Also, not trying to be shallow, but even if the guy is rich... if he's butt ugly I wouldn't date him.
I Luv the Chariot OH Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 They couldn't have me! Same here...as Deena Nicole would say, "You need a golden ticket to get into these drawers." (Are most women really that easy?)
Eve Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 Men, let's say you know what girls would want you if you make this amount of money, wouldn't you work hard towards it? Coz seriously...no girl will turn down a rich and successful guy.... That's the truth. No matter how fat or ugly you are, if you are successful and have a big bank account, do you think you CAN"T have any girl you want? So if that's the case, why don't men just work REALLY hard? I don't mean to say that you need to be as rich as Donald Trump, but at least a professional, have your own place, a car...you know, the kind of stuff that women admire in a man. H'mm.. in my more fickle days I dated only wealthy men but I can see that that that was more to do with seeing them as having the ability to 'make things happen' more than wanting them for their wealth. Also all of that was a consequence of the circle I moved in at the time. I would agree that a man (and woman) should be able to support themselves and I would say this would impact ones attractiveness. As for becoming wealthy in order to attract someone.. not sure about that! It would be my worst nightmare to be rich and then have to find a partner - how would you know if they are really with you for you and not your money? I recently watched a film called, 'Somewhere' which was really bleak. It was about this rich, famous guy (fictional) and followed him moment by moment.. and his life was awful! He got plenty of girls but there was nothing captivating about any of the experiences. Pretty good film but painfully slow ... Hubby was relatively poor when I met him but had the whatever it was quality I found attractive in men who had money. He just didn't have that sort of vision in him to create a business etc, until meeting me. All in all, if we are talking about men (and women) who just absorb information and do nothing to improve their life circumstances and moan about not finding someone.. yeah, I can understand the perspective raised by the OP in a colloquial sense. Having tested both sides, I would hold that it is more about the sense of discipline, determination, value and belief system that would make a person more or less attractive overall and not the money. The money would be the icing on the cake. .. but that's just my opinion.. and I FULLY understand there are plenty of twisted people out there for whom money is an active idol. Take care, Eve x
MarlyStar Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 You are going to be very hard pressed to find a man who doesn't want hot sex when he says so. It is the fantasy but men are always compromising all of their fantasies, more than women will know or believe, just to have someone. Most adults, men and women want hot sex. It's hard to find for both genders. Your statement is true almost universally (despite what waynebrady says). Most gold diggers are young, think it will be fun, and it'll be a party having an absurdly rich man but they aren't really interested in commitment. Golddiggers want commitment. You better believe they want commitment. Anna Nicole Smith is their Goddess, marry a rich geezer, boink him into kingdom come, take off with the loot. Most golddiggers are interested in the commitment, they aren't interested in the guy. Even Charlie Sheen with his money, fame and looks lost one of his goddesses. If you are rotten, no amount of glamour and money will get women. If this guy is so attractive to women, why is he advertising on so many different OLD sites? Because the women around him don't like him inspite of his wealth. The women in his offices, the women he meets socially, the women who cross his path every day in expensive restaurants, marinas, golf courses, etc.... No one is just their looks or their toys. Yes, it is a very pretty, distracting packaging, but if you can't see past it then it isn't their fault. Don't blame them. Some will be a harder nut to crack to see what is inside. It doesn't mean nothing is there. Actually some people are nothing more than their looks or their toys. There are lots of people who are empty shells. People with personality disorders are well documented to have an emotional life stunted at about age three without any character development at all. If you've ever had any kind of prolonged interaction with them you are left reeling and confounded. I don't know how old you are, BA, but eventually you will have one of these people impact your life and you will learn first hand that there is nothing inside of them. They are their shell. They are nothing more than an image, a mirage. With people like this no one cared enough to want to see what was there. Everyone was too superficial and awestruck by the front door to enter. If you get to your mid fifties and their was NO ONE in your life who cared enough about you--out of the thousands of people you've met--to see who you really are inside (assuming there's something inside to see), whose fault is that? Why is it automatic that everyone, all these thousand of people, were superficial, why instead is it not an indication that the man himself is superficial? After all, it was he who for decades surrounded himself with all those superficial, unloving, uncaring people? Believe me in this man's life there are lots of women who have what he has, who have wealth and cars and yachts and means and who are not awestruck by his toys. They have what he has or more. And they too have written him off--sending him to POF to find women. You shouldn't expect it to spring forth out of the blue. It will need to be nurtured like a mighty maple from a tiny seed. And just how much work should anyone have to do to 'nurture' his tiny seed into a mighty maple? Especially since it's virtually certain there will be no recriprical nurturing. It's all going on way--and for a relationship that ends in a dead end street. High maintenance men are no more enduring than high maintenance women, no matter what toys they have. Again Charlie Sheen comes to mind: he's too big a mouthful of dead sea fruit for even a goddess to chew. One decamped, another is about to (if she gets a reality show) and he's going to have to start over. Toys are NOT enough. There has to be a mensch as well.
mr.dream merchant Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 I said no to this: " own part of and manage part of a Wall Street Investment Bank and run several divisions of the firm. I also write a commentary on the financial markets which goes daily to approximately 5,500 financial institutions in forty-eight countries. I am a busy boy. First, I own a boat which I keep my house which is on the Las Olas Isles in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. My yacht is an 82’ Horizon which has three staterooms and carries a full time crew of three; a Captain, Chef and Stewardess. I am a gentleman who has his own preferences; like everyone else. I am 6’0” and about 185 lbs and in good shape. I have never been married and have no “known” children. I come from an old and established Mid-Western family and I have my own values and ethics. I prefer a naughty woman who will behave in less than a lady-like manner when the situation is right. My preference is for a female with very few limits. I enjoy a very playful woman who also is bright and has a good heart. You must be attractive and very sexual. You must know how to be a lady and also know when and how to not be a lady. I am looking for a woman that wants to lead a very upscale life with sensuality and friendship as part of the adventure. My lifestyle involves being on my yacht when possible, traveling all over the world, going out for nice dinners, drinking great wines and hanging out at my house. I have several other good toys such as a Rolls Royce Phantom convertible, a Mercedes 55 AMG SL and a Bentley convertible. I collect art, watches and wine. I own two dogs which are the delights of my life; they are Aussie rescue dogs. You must be loyal and honorable. " All I could think of was Yuck. Lmao you ****ed up!
ccfan Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) The title and premise of this whole thread is silly and almost trollish as it has brought out the resident women-haters. Yes, there are some shallow, vapid, stupid, low self esteem, no skills having women who will gravitate towards any guy who flashes cash at her. But woe be to the guy who ends up with one of those with her hooks into him. I've turned down dates with men who had fancy cars and big paychecks - because I didn't like them and I can't help but feel like if you date and marry for money, you end up earning it. Money isn't important to me. I make enough to pay my bills, put a little away and spoil my kids. If the guy I'm seeing can pay his own bills and have a little left to spend on fun, that's all I ask. I pay about half the time I go out. Friday night I went and saw my guy friend and brought food to cook. I drove and paid. Big deal, next time he will. Brainy.. i do think too that this thread is kind of trollish, i love girls that have decency and values like you have, granted , they are harder and harder to meet nowadays as it´s probably hard for some girls to meet a decent guy... so it not a gender "war" thing (women are superficial & men are unfaithful.. etc .etc..) i see it more like it´s a moral "war" (if i can use that term): it´s people like us that are trying to find a decent, caring and honest partner but have to keep their guard up as they have been burned before... decent vs. shallow I have been burned and badly, but i´m sure there are a million nice decent girls outthere, just hoping to meet one, and in the meantime avoiding the gold digging and shallow ones Edited April 10, 2011 by ccfan
MarlyStar Posted April 10, 2011 Posted April 10, 2011 Lmao you ****ed up! How so? I have a paid-for 5 bedroom house in an upscale suburb with a pool and on a lake. I own 4 cars, one a jaguar. I make a nice salary and have 8 weeks of vacation to use up this year (if I use it all) and go on two vacations a year and on every other year a cruise (one of my closest friends is an executive at a cruiseline so I get awesome deals). I spend weekends in Naples, Orlando and Key West pretty much at will. I have medical and retirement benefits and am the beneficiary of a generation skipping trust fund of between 3 and 6 million. My kids all have paid for college educations. I've been to the last two Superbowls held in my city, and had unfettered access to everything--this guy will NEVER have that no matter how much money he has (unless he becomes a cabinet member or gets elected president--and thinks to ask. The players don't have the access I have). What can this man give me? A yacht? They can be rented here by the week with a full crew if I wanted, and just about every other friend I have here owns a boat. I have a cleaning lady and when the kids aren't around a pool man and a yard guy come by once a week. I belong to a golf club. What do I need this guy for? Do I need a bigger house? I'm a single woman. Do I need more cars? More vacations, more financial security? What can this guy do for me financially I haven't done for myself? Nothing. I'm looking for a companion. Nothing in that man's profile suggests he will be in any way a satisfactory companion. All he has to offer are things I don't want or need. So how did I mess up?
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