LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I've seen it on here so many times. A woman describes herself as attractive. But she can't get attractive men, only ugly men. Then she gets upset that men only want her for sex. Well, what do you call what you're doing? You obviously want an attractive man for sex! Oh, and the kicker is, women are always complaining that men don't value their personalities, only their looks. Yet, they won't stoop down to give one "ugly guy" a date, because they value looks over personality. Bottom line is, if you want to be valued for something inside of you, value other people for what's inside of THEM. The love you take is equal to the love you make.
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fishtaco Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 If yo udon't have their desire in looks, it won't work no matter how nice you are. It takes the "look" to pull them in and it's the "personality" that decides if it's a keeper or no. Looks first and personality second, no matter what anyone says. Yup, no matter what, it starts with something superficial. If you don't have your superficial game down, you're starting one step behind everyone else already. The only people that can break out of this pattern and override their own instincts are people that are either unnaturally wise, or have been hurt enough in their past that they have developed a bias.
lizwashere Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I've seen it on here so many times. A woman describes herself as attractive. But she can't get attractive men, only ugly men. Then she gets upset that men only want her for sex. Well, what do you call what you're doing? You obviously want an attractive man for sex! Oh, and the kicker is, women are always complaining that men don't value their personalities, only their looks. Yet, they won't stoop down to give one "ugly guy" a date, because they value looks over personality. Bottom line is, if you want to be valued for something inside of you, value other people for what's inside of THEM. The love you take is equal to the love you make. Both men and women are visual animals and both genders gravitate towards people they find physically attracive. These issues are simply not as gender specific as some people like to pretend. Your post implies that women are shallow for not giving ugly guys a chance - how about all those good looking guys giving fat, ugly women a chance. How do they know those women aren't wonderful, loving human beings that have more to offer than just their dress size?
somedude81 Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 You forgot the part where they think there are only two categories of men. Good looking and ugly. 10% of men are good looking. 90% are ugly and not good enough for her.
sweetjasmine Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 Oh, and the kicker is, women are always complaining that men don't value their personalities, only their looks. Yet, they won't stoop down to give one "ugly guy" a date, because they value looks over personality. If a morbidly obese woman with a deformed face asked you out, would you date her and consider a long-term serious relationship because she seems like a nice person?
musemaj11 Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I do not want a woman who thinks Im ugly even if she is attracted to my personality because it wont feel the same. Instead of whining, why dont you ugly men give ugly women a chance?
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 7, 2011 Author Posted April 7, 2011 I'm just pointing out the illogical fallacy that these women feel. They say one thing, and do another. If they're just visual creatures, then just SAY THAT. Don't go on stating that you value personality over looks, and that men are more shallow, and then go after the good looking bad boys. Don't be a hypocrite.
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 7, 2011 Author Posted April 7, 2011 Instead of whining, why dont you ugly men give ugly women a chance? For the record, I find the good looking girls out of my league, so I don't go after them. But even the ugly girls have unrealistic standards. They all expect Mr. Prince Charming, who looks like Brad Pitt. I would date a chubby, average looking girl with glasses, if she liked me. I am a chubby, average looking guy, so I would be a hypocrite if I didn't date them. However, my experience is that women have unrealistic standards.
sweetjasmine Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I'm just pointing out the illogical fallacy that these women feel. They say one thing, and do another. If they're just visual creatures, then just SAY THAT. Don't go on stating that you value personality over looks, and that men are more shallow, and then go after the good looking bad boys. Don't be a hypocrite. No, they don't say one thing and do another. Saying you value personality over looks does not imply that you believe looks are utterly irrelevant. I would never date someone I wasn't attracted to at all. It wouldn't be fair to them and it'd be a waste of time. And, no, I don't date "good-looking bad boys," either because their personalities are a gigantic turn-off (see that? it's the personality trumps looks bit), and I don't enjoy constant drama and disrespect.
WTRanger Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I love it how all of these guys who haven't had sex or a serious girlfriend can give all sorts of advice on how women think. If you want to talk about illogical fallacies, just look at all of the BS you've been spouting on LS since you started.
lizwashere Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I'm just pointing out the illogical fallacy that these women feel. They say one thing, and do another. If they're just visual creatures, then just SAY THAT. Don't go on stating that you value personality over looks, and that men are more shallow, and then go after the good looking bad boys. Don't be a hypocrite. You are making a huge leap by insinuating that just because a woman might want to be with a good looking guy that she really wants a jerk. I've had relationships with handsome men who also happened to be genuinely good people and who didn't make a point of advertising to the world that they were "nice guys". Moreover, what is deemed attractive is very often in the eye of the beholder. What a white male in his 20's finds attractive in a woman is very different from what a Hispanic male in the same age group would find attractive. What I keep seeing in these threads are men who are angry that beautiful women don't want them - and that somehow they should be forced or guilted into being with men they are not attracted to. I'll use myself as an example: I'm slim, I exercise, I love to walk, and watch what I eat – I am not nor have I ever been attracted to overweight men. If you want to call me shallow go ahead, but I could not be happy with someone whose lifestyle is so different then mine and who does not share my belief in the importance of living a healthy, physically active life. By the way, why didn't you address my comment about handsome men and ugly, fat women?
somedude81 Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 Average guys would be perfectly happy with an average girl. But for whatever reason, average girls will not be happy with an average guy. I'm not ugly or fat, so why should I have to settle for a woman who is?
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 7, 2011 Author Posted April 7, 2011 I've seen more handsome men with ugly, fat women, than attractive women with ugly, fat men.
sweetjasmine Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 But for whatever reason, average girls will not be happy with an average guy. Hello, I'm a somewhat above-average woman who's happy with an average guy. Explain that. (No, he's not wealthy. No, he's not a jerk. No, he's not tall. No, I don't feel like I'm "settling.")
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 7, 2011 Author Posted April 7, 2011 For the record, I never said that all attractive men were jerks. I just said that women seem to view ugly men as "substandard", strictly because of their looks. I watched a news program recently on this. A recent study has been done, and it's been proven that more attractive men and women are happier, healthier, and more wealthy. Well, what do you do if you weren't born with great looks? Are you supposed to go through life being crapped on, made to feel unworthy, and feel unloved?
sweetjasmine Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I just said that women seem to view ugly men as "substandard", strictly because of their looks. Again, do you see yourself having a successful long-term relationship with someone you find ugly? You need attraction to keep a romantic relationship alive. And there's more to attraction than just looks.
lizwashere Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 Average guys would be perfectly happy with an average girl. But for whatever reason, average girls will not be happy with an average guy. I'm not ugly or fat, so why should I have to settle for a woman who is? So what exactly sets you apart from other average guys that might assist you in finding a companion? What do you have to offer to a woman? Intelligence, emotional maturity, empathy, are you gainfully employed, are you well read, do you spend your free time doing anything other than playing video games or watching porn? I hate to break it to you but the vast majority of average looking women are not with Abercrombie & Fitch models they are with normal guys with normal lives.
Darren Taylor Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 A recent study has been done, and it's been proven that more attractive men and women are happier, healthier, and more wealthy. That's no secret. Well, what do you do if you weren't born with great looks? Are you supposed to go through life being crapped on, made to feel unworthy, and feel unloved? You go for those that are either similar to you in looks or below. If you look like Michael Phelps and go for someone that looks like Megan Fox, not happening.
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 7, 2011 Author Posted April 7, 2011 Michael Phelps is a jock, he can have any woman he wants. Including Megan Fox.
SteveC80 Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I dont think women understand the point Men admit looks are important to them women try to downplay it Id say its equal or maybe even looks are a little more important to owmen in the sense that they find less Men attractive then vice versa so most women are after and attracted to a smaller pool of Men
Darren Taylor Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 Michael Phelps is a jock, he can have any woman he wants. Including Megan Fox. If Michael Phelps wasn't an Olympic gold medalist, you think he'd be scoring a chick as hot as Fox? Highly doubtful. Just because you're a jock doesn't mean you're getting any woman you want.
lizwashere Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I've seen more handsome men with ugly, fat women, than attractive women with ugly, fat men. I don't know where you live but I live in NYC so I feel very confident that my sample size is considerably larger than yours and I rarely if ever see a truly good looking man with an unattractive woman. On the other hand, I see slim, pretty women with fat, ugly men all the time walking the street sof Manhattan and other boroughs. You have no actual experience with women and are therefore in no position to make absurd generalizations about them.
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted April 7, 2011 Author Posted April 7, 2011 I have no actual experience being an uglier man, and are therefore in no position to make absurd generalizations about them. Corrected.
Darren Taylor Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I don't know where you live but I live in NYC so I feel very confident that my sample size is considerably larger than yours and I rarely if ever see a truly good looking man with an unattractive woman. On the other hand, I see slim, pretty women with fat, ugly men all the time walking the street sof Manhattan and other boroughs. You have no actual experience with women and are therefore in no position to make absurd generalizations about them. I agree. A truly good looking guy may not necessarily be with a model, but the odds of him being with someone that's average looking. Not saying it hasn't happened, but not at all common. I live 20 minutes from LA and I see the same thing. WAYYY more likely to see a good looking woman with an average to below average looking guy than vice versa.
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