Wanting much younger women. Is it okay?

[Romeofud]

To be honest, teen girls have attempted to flirt with me all the time lol. I have to turn away from them because I realize that what they're really doing is flexing their newfound sexual power; to see how far it could take them. Of course, there has to be interest on both side in order for this to be successful.

 

Just yesterday, I went to get my income taxes done by a fine Latina babe and flirted with her during the filing process. She was 25. Like I said, I like my women 21 and up. However, after leaving the tax lady, a teen girl only 15 asked me a question about the food court downstairs. I told her what she needed to know, but then she proceeded to ask me other things that did not pertain to anything important, while laughing at my in-jokes, and playing with her hair, while maintaing eye contact the whole time. I knew she was about 15 because she revealed that she couldn't wait to be a junior in HS, and she looked young so I figured it out. But I dont go there!

 

OP, like one of these people on here stated: if you're just after sex with a young girl (provided she is of legal consenting age) just be honest about it and do your thing. I'm sure you wont have too much difficulty doing it if you know how to flirt with them and relate to them (significant pointer there). But to enter a relationship with them, I dont think that'll happen, unless it is light stuff consisting of just going to the movies and McDonalds lol.

 

Your best bet, OP, is to look for a young woman around 22-23 or so. They still look sweet and fresh (provided she has good genes) and you get some maturity and better common ground.

[sally4sara]

Yick. With some of these concerns its no wonder you see a guy every now and then idealizing 14 year old girls and advising others to date them.

 

OP I really wouldn't be terribly concerned with liking younger partners as long as they are of legal age. Age can be a decent guideline for finding someone you can consider a peer and be compatible with, but as you get older you might meet someone younger who is just the right blend of interests and experience to make them your peer despite a big age difference. The only things you need to worry about is what makes you gravitate to that age group if it happens enough to be a noticeable pattern.

 

Such as:

 

Do I like people in this age group because I feel like I have an upper hand?

Do I like them because they are naive enough for me to treat them disrespectfully?

Do I like them because they are easily manipulated into doing things that could cause them harm?

Do I like them because I want to mold them into the person I want to be with rather than who they are/might become?

 

But really these concerns are more about developmental stages rather than specifically age. A person could target other people with a large disparity of intellect/education compared to themselves for the same reasons even without an age difference.

[Dlyrica]

I would honestly suggest you date people who have at least graduated high school. I'm only 23, but I can't stress to you how much I have changed since I was 17. I actually think it would be extremely awkward to date someone who is 17..are you gonna go pick them up from their parent's house? Do you have to drive them around? (I didn't get a car until I was 17) You can't take them to bars or clubs...I have to admit I find it weird that besides them being "hot" that that would even appeal to you...

[kalikula]

Pedophilia ends when the focus of the sexual attraction has entered puberty and in a girl that's 12 or 13 on average. Also by 18 you should have been well aware what the world of sex and adulthood was all about even if you were sheltered as a teen. Besides if you are one of those very few completely naive 18 year old girls it is better to be introduced by someone experienced rather than someone your own age who won't be as considerate.

 

I disagree, I think there are plenty of naive 18 year olds (I was one of them). If you are sheltered as a teen when are you suddenly going to become mature? 18 is technically an adult but still in the teens.. Most people that age are just graduating high school.

 

And frankly I would have preferred to date someone as inexperienced as me not someone older and more experienced.

 

I suppose it's okay but you have to accept that people WILL talk and disapprove. Frankly I think it is a bit weird.. If I was a 17 year old I would be really grossed out if a 33 year old was hitting on me. Also what could you possibly have in common with someone whose straight out of high school...? Not to mention that at that age they are not likely to want to settle down or anything like that.

[Mr.Cairo]

Oh that's strange. Most women between 18-23 already have kids.

 

What? Seriously? Where?

 

As for wanting much younger women, sure, why not? As long as shes legal, she's game.

[TryingtoUnderstand32]

Hi to all. Im new to this site. A friend of mine comes on here quite often so I checked it out and its cool. Anyway, Im 33, single, no kids, and never married. Im mostly interested in women between 17 & 23. Mind you, 17 is legal where Im at so dont worry lol. I get lots of looks and good feedback from women in that age range, and I've fooled around with a few, but not any more than that. I wanna take it up a notch but Im having trouble with it right now. I notice that women in their 30s give me dirty looks and act sort of crappy to me when Im with a young girl. This bothers me and I feel self-conscious about it. But at the same time, I love younger women since they tend to be free of great emotional baggage. Less likely to have kids, and just all-around more liberated in doing/trying different things. I never get this result with women in my age group. Heck, they're hard to even approach, given they always have guards up because of men-issues, etc. I dont wanna be bothered with that! I just want a nice young girl with a good head on her shoulders. I've always been into them, and even more as I get older, I've noticed lol. Anyway, is it wrong to feel this way? Am I limiting my chances at finding happiness by pursuing the younger females? Im just looking for some feedback from you guys if your in the same boat or have been, and what you think about this matter.

 

17? 17? 17? That's pretty close to pedophilia. Gross. What the heck does a 33 year old man have in common with a woman under 20?

This is sick. Women your age aren't looking at you because they are jealous, they are disturbed.

[TryingtoUnderstand32]

This is absolutely right.

 

On what planet?

[TryingtoUnderstand32]

The reason the older women get upset is they are jealous. They no longer have the looks they had at that age. They are nearing their expiration date. As a man you have no expiration. As long as you continue to make money you can have all the younger women you want.

 

Dont hate me for stating the truth. Good day.

 

Expiration date? We are human beings not a gallon of milk!? I don't know what makes some men think this way. Its highly disturbing. And I think many women actually get better looking In our late twenties and early thirties. A man that wants to date a 17 year old child obviously feels threatened or intimidated by women his own age.

[Mr.Cairo]

17? 17? 17? That's pretty close to pedophilia. Gross. What the heck does a 33 year old man have in common with a woman under 20?

This is sick. Women your age aren't looking at you because they are jealous, they are disturbed.

 

And think of all those 17 year old boys who died, in World War I, World War II, to make sure that Europe and the USA were free. The Patriarchy is so evil that allows 17 year old boys to die for the freedom of women - we must destroy this!

 

17 year old girls must be free to die a gruesome death in the service of their Country/ and to protect men.

 

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary). The child must be at least five years younger in the case of adolescent pedophiles aged 16 or older.[

 

What I find funny is that, when I was a teen, I'd see plenty of the girls around my age with guys older than them. It was so common that, it was strange to see a girl my age with a guy of the same age. Now that those women are older, they suddenly find such a relationship to be gross. Gotta keep the monopoly on that stuff, ya know?

 

The younger I've dated was 18. What did we have in common? I like attractive women, and they like experienced men who also know how to treat them well. Women in their mid 20's and up are in 'relationship' mode. They are probing my resources, my educational background and so on, to see if I'm 'marriage' material. I have no interest in that, and I believe that most of the guys, older than 25, and with girlfriends in their late teens to early 20's, are in the same boat.

 

So we are interested in 'much younger' women. And If I'm eligible to be drafted by the Army anytime it needs me, I sure as hell, I'm good enough to sleep with 18 year olds. Don't like it? Not my problem.

Edited April 6, 2011 by Mr.Cairo

[TryingtoUnderstand32]

And think of all those 17 year old boys who died, in World War I, World War II, to make sure that Europe and the USA were free. The Patriarchy is so evil that allows 17 year old boys to die for the freedom of women - we must destroy this!

 

17 year old girls must be free to die a gruesome death in the service of their Country/ and to protect men.

 

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary). The child must be at least five years younger in the case of adolescent pedophiles aged 16 or older.[

 

What I find funny is that, when I was a teen, I'd see plenty of the girls around my age with guys older than them. It was so common that, it was strange to see a girl my age with a guy of the same age. Now that those women are older, they suddenly find such a relationship to be gross. Gotta keep the monopoly on that stuff, ya know?

 

The younger I've dated was 18. What did we have in common? I like attractive women, and they like experienced men who also know how to treat them well. Women in their mid 20's and up are in 'relationship' mode. They are probing my resources, my educational background and so on, to see if I'm 'marriage' material. I have no interest in that, and I believe that most of the guys, older than 25, and with girlfriends in their late teens to early 20's, are in the same boat.

 

So we are interested in 'much younger' women. And If I'm eligible to be drafted by the Army anytime it needs me, I sure as hell, I'm good enough to sleep with 18 year olds. Don't like it? Not my problem.

 

Dating that young is disturbing if you are in your thirties. Period.

[BeginAgain]

Dating that young is disturbing if you are in your thirties. Period.

Well you know what they say. "I like my women how I like my whiskey. 12 years old and mixed up with coke."

[Mr.Cairo]

Dating that young is disturbing if you are in your thirties. Period.

 

Haha, you're just bitter that you don't have as many options as a younger woman got under her sleeve. You'll probably end up dating guys in their 50's because now, the men who were rejected when younger, are enjoying(and the women are doing it too)spending time with younger women.

 

We all have our time to shine. Now that I have means(in all it's shapes and meanings), I go after what I want, and what I want is young, attractive women.

 

Everybody wins. The younger women are treated like real women, instead of having sex with guys who don't know what they are doing, see women as pieces of meat, they spend enjoyable moments with educated, worldly men.

 

Yes, you know how disturbing it is for a woman of 18 years and older than that, having a man taking her to places she's never been to, and getting her rid of all of those insecurities that so many women have, and also, to show to her that they can achieve much more than they have around them(those silly college boys).

 

Yes, I also find it funny how many, young women, although being rich, are dating older guys. But that's a man manipulating a woman since women can't sincerely be attracted to males who are infinitely superior, in various ways, to the guys women have around them, in the same age group.

 

The Patriarchy is so evil that it even attempts men from making women happy, tries to restrict men to a certain age group!

 

Very funny to see the women my age bitter at my lack of interest in them. Its even more funny when they realize that the women I'm with have the youth, the brains, and the personality that they claim are only possible in women in their late 20's and upwards

[Mr.Cairo]

So, all you guys who swear up and down that very young women are the best to date. What will you do, exchange the one you have for a new model every 2 years?

 

you reduce all women to being valued only for their looks. Which peak at 20, according to you. And yet I bet most of you were raised, taught, and cared for and possibly even provided for by women much older than the ones you value so highly.

 

At 17-23, they aren't done. They aren't finished with their educations, they aren't experienced with sex, relationships and the ups and downs of adult life. What is so attractive about someone who isn't finished growing up?

 

The only answer I can find is that they are easily manipulated, easily trained, and easily trapped.

 

You area ll creeps if you ask me.

 

You honestly believe that there aren't women out there interested in having fun? That when a woman is young(and same goes for the guys), they are more interested in having a good time, instead of complicating everything with 'relationships', and 'marriage', and 'children'?

 

Have you ever thought that maybe, the reason guys go for younger women is due to this, that they want to have sex and they want to have fun with women who are in their prime - as women want to marry men with the means to provide for the future kids-, and that the women in such casual relationships aren't being used, but being given a good time?

 

Let me see. We have a man in his late 20's, a woman in her early 20's, and another man in his early 20's. Who is more prone to:

 

1)Being bad in bed.

2)Not knowing how to make the woman feel good about her, about everything.

3)Giving her the opportunity to sow her wild oat so that she doesn't feel, when she's older, that she missed out on something?

 

The silly kid with the baseball hat hanging, the kid with little money, just enough to buy a burger, with no experience at all with women, probably doesn't even know a woman's sensible spot..

 

Or a man who, has spent the last decades working out, saving up money, getting a good education, being sexually active and thus knows what he's doing, knows how to dress, how to talk, has been to many places around the world(while the 20 something punk has only gone to Detroit), has been in several relationships which allowed him to become experienced in the workings of a relationship/dating/sex/whatever.

 

I also wonder why Elisabeth Taylor at the age of 17 was dating a much older man, never mind that she was rich, and the guy was the son of a billionaire, or why Emmy Rossum at the age of 17 married a man who was 10 years her senior, despite the fact that she could have gotten any guy her age, much more attractive than the guy she ended up marrying.

 

What are you speaking of? Trade women every 2 years? Most relationships end, that means that the relationships between people in their 30's also end. Do you know why a relationship lasting 2 years is considered a long-term relationship?

 

Because most relationships don't last that long. To claim that we are going to dump a woman because she went from being 22 years old to 24 years old, is rather cute and funny, but has nothing to do with reality. We are going to find other women, true, but that's because most relationships have an expiration date and we, like the rest of the human population, don't want to be stuck with a person we're not interested in anymore.

 

Another myth being propagated by the patriarchy. That young women are manipulated ,gullible, and what else.

 

First of all, women mature faster than men.That's why you see young ladies interested in more worthy pursuits(education, good savings etc) while the kids their age are busy spending their time playing video games 24/7.

 

By the time a woman is in her early 20's, she has several relationships and several FWBS under her belt. She knows how to deal with men(yes, there are exceptions), and after having to deal with armies of young kids smelling their skirts, they know how to distinguish a man who is interested in her, in having a good time(and making her have a good time) with her, from a guy who just wants to get his rocks off.

 

Don't forget that women are far more communicative than men. Word gets around, and when one guy, young or old, doesn't behave properly, all of the women in contact with the woman who wasn't treated right find out, that guy is pretty much done with the dating scene.

[lizwashere]

I say more power to you, but don't be surprised if one of these young, naive women winds up getting pregnant - happy in the thought that they've snagged an older man who can financially support them and their kid. Have Fun.

Edited April 6, 2011 by lizwashere

[zengirl]

Let me see. We have a man in his late 20's, a woman in her early 20's, and another man in his early 20's. Who is more prone to:

 

I don't think most folks would judge a relationship between a man in his late 20s and a woman in her early 20s (I mean, I guess 20 and 29 would be an odd difference in many cases, because the 20 year old couldn't drink/would probably be in college/etc, but no extreme judging there).

 

That is VASTLY different than a 33 year old man saying he wants to date women as young as 17. To me, at least. 17 year olds are barely people yet. 20 is a little bit on the edge of things. 22 or 23 and dating someone in their late 20s/early 30s is not at all uncommon or generally surprising to many people. Would depend on the people in the relationship in question, of course, but I don't think you can compare the two.

 

If the OP were dating a 23 year old (the ceiling of his desire), I would think much differently of him than dating a teenager. A 23 year old is an adult. 18-20 is borderline. Under 18 is a child, legal or not.

[Mr.Cairo]

I say more power to you, but don't be surprised if one of this young, naive woman winds up getting pregnant - happy in the thought that they've snagged an older man who can financially support them and their kid. Have Fun.

 

First of all, there are plenty of women in their 30's either pretending to be on the pill, going off the pill on purpose without telling the partner, and many even put holes on the condom. Again, you are just bitter because you don't hold power over most men, like women in their late teens and early 20's can.

 

It's fine, I understand. If I had supreme control over a very valuable resource, and suddenly there was competition, I'd also try to shame the buyers into buying what they can have, much better, some place else.

 

And look at the lack of respect you ladies have for women in their late teens and early to mid 20's. They are shallow, they are gold-diggers, they have low self-esteem, they are being manipulated by the men they are with and the list goes on.

 

Are you all saying that all of you were victims in your 20's, that all of you were abused? And then you ladies wonder why men go for women with little emotional/physical baggage as possible.

 

The hatred you lot feel for younger women is staggering, sweet lord.

 

By the way, no woman can trap me because I had a vasectomy done. You honestly think that I would risk being stuck paying child support for 18 years, now that I have access to a fulfilling, happy sexual life? LOL

 

So, all you guys who swear up and down that very young women are the best to date. What will you do, exchange the one you have for a new model every 2 years?

 

you reduce all women to being valued only for their looks. Which peak at 20, according to you. And yet I bet most of you were raised, taught, and cared for and possibly even provided for by women much older than the ones you value so highly.

 

At 17-23, they aren't done. They aren't finished with their educations, they aren't experienced with sex, relationships and the ups and downs of adult life. What is so attractive about someone who isn't finished growing up?

 

The only answer I can find is that they are easily manipulated, easily trained, and easily trapped.

 

You area ll creeps if you ask me.

 

You honestly believe that there aren't women out there interested in having fun? That when a woman is young(and same goes for the guys), they are more interested in having a good time, instead of complicating everything with 'relationships', and 'marriage', and 'children'?

 

Have you ever thought that maybe, the reason guys go for younger women is due to this, that they want to have sex and they want to have fun with women who are in their prime - as women want to marry men with the means to provide for the future kids-, and that the women in such casual relationships aren't being used, but being given a good time?

 

Let me see. We have a man in his late 20's, a woman in her early 20's, and another man in his early 20's. Who is more prone to:

 

1)Being bad in bed.

2)Not knowing how to make the woman feel good about her, about everything.

3)Giving her the opportunity to sow her wild oat so that she doesn't feel, when she's older, that she missed out on something?

 

The silly kid with the baseball hat hanging, the kid with little money, just enough to buy a burger, with no experience at all with women, probably doesn't even know a woman's sensible spot..

 

Or a man who, has spent the last decades working out, saving up money, getting a good education, being sexually active and thus knows what he's doing, knows how to dress, how to talk, has been to many places around the world(while the 20 something punk has only gone to Detroit), has been in several relationships which allowed him to become experienced in the workings of a relationship/dating/sex/whatever.

 

I also wonder why Elisabeth Taylor at the age of 17 was dating a much older man, never mind that she was rich, and the guy was the son of a billionaire, or why Emmy Rossum at the age of 17 married a man who was 10 years her senior, despite the fact that she could have gotten any guy her age, much more attractive than the guy she ended up marrying.

 

What are you speaking of? Trade women every 2 years? Most relationships end, that means that the relationships between people in their 30's also end. Do you know why a relationship lasting 2 years is considered a long-term relationship?

 

Because most relationships don't last that long. To claim that we are going to dump a woman because she went from being 22 years old to 24 years old, is rather cute and funny, but has nothing to do with reality. We are going to find other women, true, but that's because most relationships have an expiration date and we, like the rest of the human population, don't want to be stuck with a person we're not interested in anymore.

 

Another myth being propagated by the patriarchy. That young women are manipulated ,gullible, and what else.

 

First of all, women mature faster than men.That's why you see young ladies interested in more worthy pursuits(education, good savings etc) while the kids their age are busy spending their time playing video games 24/7.

 

By the time a woman is in her early 20's, she has several relationships and several FWBS under her belt. She knows how to deal with men(yes, there are exceptions), and after having to deal with armies of young kids smelling their skirts, they know how to distinguish a man who is interested in her, in having a good time(and making her have a good time) with her, from a guy who just wants to get his rocks off.

 

''Don't forget that women are far more communicative than men. Word gets around, and when one guy, young or old, doesn't behave properly, all of the women in contact with the woman who wasn't treated right find out, that guy is pretty much done with the dating scene.

 

you reduce all women to being valued only for their looks. Which peak at 20, according to you. And yet I bet most of you were raised, taught, and cared for and possibly even provided for by women much older than the ones you value so highly.

 

At 17-23, they aren't done. They aren't finished with their educations, they aren't experienced with sex, relationships and the ups and downs of adult life. What is so attractive about someone who isn't finished growing up?

 

Gotta congratulate you on that, the shaming language being displayed here is making me enjoy this very much. That said, you do know that women in their 30's can be attractive so, we aren't getting ourselves involved with younger women only because of their looks.

 

It can be from various reasons. One of the main reasons for me is that, the women in their mid 20's and up, look at me like I'm a walking ATM machine, calculating how much money I have, trying to see if I'm 'commitment' material.

 

if I was to date these women, and if I did the same that I do(live my life as I want to do), they'd cry about my fear of 'commitment' and they'd come into this forum to complain that all men are shallow and that we're afraid of strong, independent women, preferring to be with women we can 'dominate'

 

No. It's called. Having options. And. We want. What we want. If that means having casual sex with a 22 year old woman. That is so.If that means marrying a woman who is 18 years old. That be so.

 

Look at the level of that shaming language. Now you are bringing our mothers into this, trying to make us feel like we have a duty to older women because we were raised by older women, which is very funny, and lacks any sense.

 

Should I also marry a woman as old as the nurse who took care of me when I was a baby, because a woman that age took care of me?

 

Oh, and how enjoyable it is, to pretend to have no money, no assets, so that the women who are with me, are with me because they find me attractive/ or like whatever else in me.

 

And I still wonder what's the deal with most women shaving or waxing their genitalia area. It seems to me that women sure do want to become younger, I dunno bro. Something is amiss in all of this.

Edited April 6, 2011 by Mr.Cairo

[Mr.Cairo]

I don't think most folks would judge a relationship between a man in his late 20s and a woman in her early 20s (I mean, I guess 20 and 29 would be an odd difference in many cases, because the 20 year old couldn't drink/would probably be in college/etc, but no extreme judging there).

 

That is VASTLY different than a 33 year old man saying he wants to date women as young as 17. To me, at least. 17 year olds are barely people yet. 20 is a little bit on the edge of things. 22 or 23 and dating someone in their late 20s/early 30s is not at all uncommon or generally surprising to many people. Would depend on the people in the relationship in question, of course, but I don't think you can compare the two.

 

If the OP were dating a 23 year old (the ceiling of his desire), I would think much differently of him than dating a teenager. A 23 year old is an adult. 18-20 is borderline. Under 18 is a child, legal or not.

 

The drinking age is 16 in Europe. A person can have a driver's license in the USA way before they reach the age of 18 while in Europe you have to be at least 18 years old. My grandmother married my grandfather when she was 16 and he was 23 and its still possible for a 16 year old to marry, as long as the parents give the go ahead.

 

She was pretty happy with him, always praising him, taking care of him when he got sick. Can't say I've seen that much loyalty around.

 

As I've said before, I've been interested and I've been with women as young as 18. That's my limit. Never had the chance to date when I was in my teens because the girls were dating guys in their 20's, and no woman in her 20's was going to be dating a guy in his teens so my teens were pretty bland.

 

17 is legal in many European Countries. In Sweden the legal age is 15 and in Spain is even lower, I think. I don't understand that, but I guess it's legal. None of my business. I just find it amazing, how so many guys in their teens(14-17), enlisted and went to war to protect the old, women, and children, and no one seems to care about that, but god forbid a man looking at a woman who is younger than him, regardless of how legal it is in that Country.

 

I'm good enough to die for women/people I've never met before, but I'm a creep if I'm attracted to younger women. Gotcha.

Edited April 6, 2011 by Mr.Cairo

[Romeofud]

I dont pay any of these broads mind lol. Most of the points you've made, Cairo, is exactly that: on point. And I applaud you, man. I love younger women myself. They're durable, more easygoing, can easily mix fun with seriousness in a heartbeat. These were my experiences. Not to mention... they've got the best bodies I've EVER seen prancing down the avenues lol and I've seen plenty to discern. And yes, a woman's value to me and most men is her beauty, youth, and knowing her PLACE when dating a man. Not this utter challenging, rude, disrespectfulness you see from women these days. But that's just me and some others. Now moving on....

 

A woman over 30 is still attractive, no doubt, but her mindset isn't so that changes everything in my book along with most other men. Sure, you'll get men marrying women their age or women even a little bit older but it's due mostly to the fact because they had a tougher time landing the younger, fresher chicks. Believe me, I did plenty of reading on this to know. And the honest men will admit this in a hot second! The lesser percentage of men will deny it just to not go on a woman's Sh*t List lol.

 

And since I have no interest in marriage, although I do feel that marriage is a very beautiful thing if the two people are perfectly fit for each other, I'm not one to go down this path. I enjoy my single life. Younger women know this, which is why they gravitate to me like bees to honey. This in turn makes me and homeboys like Cairo most attractive to them. These women can pick up the scent on us and they follow the trail to varying blissfulness .

[Woggle]

So Mr Cairo is a misogynist as well as a misandrist? Maybe he just hates people in general.

 

I think any person over 21 is free to make their own decisions so if a woman decides to date an older man that is their business but don't trash older women as if they worthless over a certain age.

[zengirl]

So Mr Cairo is a misogynist as well as a misandrist? Maybe he just hates people in general.

 

I think any person over 21 is free to make their own decisions so if a woman decides to date an older man that is their business but don't trash older women as if they worthless over a certain age.

 

I totally agree, if they're over 21, that while it may have creeped me out at 21 to be approached by 30-somethings (it totally did; I hated and cringed every time it happened; frankly, I feel the same way about 40-somethings now and even guys in their late 30s make me sigh because I know they think I'm even younger than I am, and I consider myself too young for them).

 

 

Mr. Cairo

As per various countries, I've lived all over. There are many countries where women marry/have kids WAY younger than in the U.S. (I've lived in a South American country, where this is common). I find that a bit sad, based on the lives I've seen people live in such places (generally they get married so young because of lack of opportunity, and are sexualized young by older men for the same reasons), but I don't impose my culture on them. However, anyone in/from MY culture (U.S. or any similar English-speaking Western culture) gets the cultural mores here placed upon them, and dating high schoolers or teenagers when you're an adult of 30+ is against social mores in my circle. Most of the educated 20/30something men I hang out with, as well as the women, would not find that kosher. I have taught and tutored 17 and 18 year olds. I'm only 26. To think of even someone my age attempting to "pick them up" disgusts me, as an educator.

 

A 23 year old, the top of the OP's ceiling, is a totally different story. A 10 year age difference is too much to me, but I don't find it creepy or predatory like trying to date teenagers.

[Mr.Cairo]

So Mr Cairo is a misogynist as well as a misandrist? Maybe he just hates people in general.

 

I think any person over 21 is free to make their own decisions so if a woman decides to date an older man that is their business but don't trash older women as if they worthless over a certain age.

 

you gotta stop playing the role of the women-hater and of the white knight. It's quite confusing.

 

''So all a woman has to be to be good in bed is pretty while a guy need years and years of practice?''

 

 

I remember how tense and how bad I was during my first sexual experience. It was no fun for the woman, she left my place

 

frustrated. I didn't know how to control my body, how to touch a woman, and I was just to eager for it.

 

Oh, we're playing the semantics game. I can do that. A young man can have an orgasm from just look at an attractive woman. When I was a teen and even when I was in my early 20's, I'd get random 'awakenings' just for being near a woman my age/or when I had a woman who was older, but attractive.

 

Yes, you got that right. As a young woman I've left woman disappointed because I was so turned on by their beauty, that my body reached the finishing line before the 'race' started.

 

Did you know that(scientific studies) a man doesn't need foreplay to get an erection when he's near a young woman in her early 20's? That the young women are capable of giving that immense testosterone surge to a man just by being in his presence? Think of it like, what a woman feels when she's with a tall man. She feels protected, feels very feminine.

 

Its the same albeit differently. When I'm with a young woman, my body vibrates with such intensity, the entire universe can be found in my eyes. This has happened, even, when with women who were say, 21 years old, but average, and the same result wasn't achieved with a woman in her mid 20's, but attractive. Its can differ, yeah, that's the way to put it. A very attractive woman in her early 20's might not create desire in me, while someone older and not so good looking, might. Exceptions exist in anything.

 

One thing that you're missing is that women in their late teens and early 20's aren't exactly virgins. I've met women who were virgins in their 30's, and I've met women in their 20's with the sexual expertise(no, they weren't hookers) to make a guy die of pleasure. What do you think? That people whose age is inferior to 18 don't have sex? That they reach their early 20's as sexless as Christ's mother?

 

So all women talk to each other? We have secret meetings and rank the available men in the area and black list the *******s?

 

Hi5, myspace, facebook, college, workplace, Church, the coffee shop, people are all connected. Everyone knows everyone.And you know how people are, always keen on letting other people know about what's going on with them.

 

Of course not. I know that women sit on a chair, holding out for Mr. Right(chastity belt on too), not having relationships or fwbs, and don't talk to anyone about the guy they are sleeping with. They also don't speak about the men they find attractive, the men they want to have sex with, and the guys they find ugly/creepy/whatever.

 

Every woman by the time they're 18 or 20 has had lots of sexual experience and every woman that age is open to casual, sexual relationships?

 

Not all, but most, have had lots of sexual experiences, yes. Why do you think there's the hook up culture in colleges? Why do most people in colleges have FWBS? Do you think the guys are all having sex with a handful of women? Woah, talk about sexual stamina.

 

Is this your version of ''20% of men get all the sex'', like I've seen being said by the men who aren't that good with women?

 

Gotta congratulate those women. I just wasn't aware that every sexually active person, only had sex in relationships(and that those relationships lasted many years), or that women in their 20's, have spent those years in relationships holding hands and looking at the birds.

 

every woman that age is open to casual, sexual relationships?

 

 

There are more than enough, certainly not all are open to casual, sexual relationships, but if the guy is attractive enough, and she's just looking for fun(which many, many young women are), yes. They are going to do it.

 

In many cases, even when the woman is not interested in casual sex, if the guy is exactly to her liking, yeah, she has sex with him. Sometimes they get hurt, sometimes they know it was just sex.

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Are you attracting these women with your prowess in bed or are you attracting them with your ability to provide for a family?

 

Because you mention both. A woman who wants a FWB relationship doesn't care what you make and a woman who wants to settle down

 

with a good provider doesn't want casual sex.

 

 

The women I've been with were all interested in casual sex. Those have been women in their late teens to early 20's. The women in their mid 20's are more interested in what I can provide, not in how I look, or how good I might be in bed. If a woman finds me attractive but doesn't see me as 'marriage material', she won't have something to do with me. Because I make it clear that I'm not interested in anything serious. The young women I've been with, those I know are attracted to me because they had sex,casual sex, without caring for what I do for a living, what I plan to do in the future etc etc.

 

While the women who aren't yet interested in anything serious tend to be younger, in college, or working but in their early 20's, and happy to accept what I'm willing to give. I don't make it like I'm going to marry them or something. There are women in their 30's, more attractive than younger women, and if they are only interested in casual sex, sure, I can do that. Matter of fact, I was 'schooled' by a woman in her late 30's, a beauty, and I enjoyed it very much. I didn't feel like she was raping me or something.

 

I've had women with whom I never had sex with because they made it clear that they wanted something more concrete. One or two of those were in their early 20's, but I was honest about my intentions and they went ahead and found what they were looking for.

 

You want younger women because they 1) are more impressed with you than women your own age 2

 

 

Nope. I want younger women because they(most of the young women I've met so far) don't want to marry me. They don't want to live with me. They don't want to have children with me(with a vasectomy that is impossible), they don't want for me to meet their parents, and they aren't creating expectations and dreams inside their heads, about our 'future' together.

 

They just want to have fun, and that, is what I'm interested in.

 

are easier to get into bed and more compliant once they are there

 

What? Are you serious? I've met young women who were holding out for Mr. Right, and I've met women in their 30's who wanted to have sex, and only sex. What are you on about? That a woman, younger than the man can't find him attractive or is used/dominated by him into having sex with him?

 

Maybe you should go out a bit, travel the world, meet young, and old, meet Europeans, and Africans, and South Americans, if you think that for an older man to be with someone younger, has to have something 'evil', like, the guy wants younger women because they are easier to go to bed with.

 

I do wonder how young women are so easy to sleep with, when there are so many young guys complaining that they can't get any.

 

You wanna know something funny? Women my age find me attractive, as I've spent my teens and my early 20's and so on, working out, dressing like a Prince, and so forth. But, I pretend to be poor. I tell them that I work as a janitor. Its very funny how quickly they leave the scene. That's how I discern who is interested in me, and who is interested in the $.

 

You could say that when a woman is younger, she's interested in the physical part, but when older she wants the full package, I guess. A bit of a generalization, but I've noticed that.

 

The younger women, being attracted to me, and not caring (yet) about 'commitment', marriage, and children, are far faster when it comes to having sex with me. If a woman who was with the 'marriage' objective - which many, many women in their mid 20's and up are- was to found me, and to know that I am financially stable blablabla, yeah, she'd be as impressive as the women in their early 20's.

 

And she'd have sex with me as quickly as a 20 year old would. I also tell my friends to, if women ask them about my credentials, to make me look as low in status and in money as possible, to make sure that I don't get gold-diggers, or older/younger women interested in my resources.

 

Hey, think of it as my own, personal, push-up bra, thong, and Brazilian wax

 

Furthermore,You confuse options with no alternatives. I can be with women much younger, that's why I am. If I couldn't be, I'd probably be a celibate since I'm not interested in all of that 'commitment' fad.

because they lack the spending power you have, they are more likely to go along with what you want to do.

 

Now then. At this point you're playing the semantics game, trying to pick out the truism of what I said, and all its positivity, and make it seem like women are only interested in older men because of the money.

 

Are you saying that my grandmother -who had the looks to have anyone - was abused by grandfather into marrying him?

 

Funny how most women would die to have my marriage my grandmother had, but hey, that's not my problem.

 

I think I should warn you that I've been shamed(at least they tried) with those tactics, to try and make me deal with older women/marry them, since I got the resources/looks/education, that women, crave.

 

I should also warn you that the women in my family are far more skilled in the art of shaming a man into marrying etc, and that I'm far too accustomed to it all.

 

I was also raised by manly men, who taught me to respect women ,but to keep my manhood and to not let myself change for whatever it is that women, or a particular woman might want of me/for me to be.

 

In short, you have taken a young adult with potential to grow into an independent, strong individual, and placed her in a

 

situation where she's perpetually the child in the relationship. Her value has been reduced to sex and beauty.

 

In short, I've taken a young adult, made her feel like she was something more than just an object(like many, many young guys see young women as), treated her like she was a Queen, raised the quality/expectation/requirements bar, which will be very hard for a man her age to achieve, and I've made her sexual experiences to be far more interesting that they'd be, with the tpyical 20 year old kid, who is just interested in drilling into oblivion.

 

At most I might have increased the frustrations of young men, but that's the game of life, better yourself or vanish.

 

Goodness, how could I ever live with the burden of making a woman happy, without demanding anything in return(you know that young women like to have sex, right?), and having the woman, in decades from now, thinking of how happy she is with her husband because she had her wild oats and didn't hurt anyone.

 

 

Lets pause for a moment. By interacting emotionally or sexually with someone younger than me, I'm stunning her growth, preventing her from becoming a strong, independent woman, because I'm showing to her how a real man treats woman(put aside the 'commitment' and all of that), that she can have someone much better than the men around her - is in fact doing evil to her?

 

Seriously? Are you going to tell the women who rejected me because I wasn't good looking enough for them, or because at the time I didn't have the resources they wanted, that they prevented me from becoming a strong human being: or is this an entirely shaming session on the men who can, and want younger women?

 

Just sayin'

 

I used to think you were a good one.

 

here comes the big gun! Don't try and appeal to my white knight soul because I have none. I'm not one of those nice guys, and I'm not one of those jerks. I'm a human being who wants to be happy and I know how to be happy. What you think of me is of no importance, as I've been far too shamed and I've developed immunity to these silly tactics, to try and make me feel bad for liking what I like ,and rejecting what I don't like.

 

Just another looser bleating onto the boards about how all the "good women"

 

 

Haha, I'm such because I reserve to right to be how I am, follow my own nature, and accept myself instead of trying to pretend I don't feel attracted to this and that, to this woman, and not attracted to this woman. I do not complain. Complaining is a waste of time.

 

I don't have any reasons to complain. In my teens, sure. Not now, and surely not as I get older, as my resources keep on getting more and more real*and lets not forget about the assets and properties I've inherited) since I don't have children/not married/no girlfriend, and I have the time, the will, and the genes to

stay young ,which means that I will always be able to be superior to men younger than me, and I'll be much better looking than most guys my age.

 

Yes, I see how a lifetime, of the sexual pleasure that I so much enjoy, is going to make me a looser. I should ask the good lord to make a good man out of me since I must be the devil, for the lack of interest I have in women older than me/same age. Or the 'fear' I have in strong, independent women.

 

My, colour me blind and call me a looser because, my interest in younger women means the older women see me as a loser and aren't interested in spending their time on a guy who isn't going to man-up!

 

about how all the "good women" won't have anything to do with you while all these "older woman" who are (OMG) your age, seem only

 

mildly interested in the crap you are peddling.

 

Aha, why do you insist on playing the semantics game? Good women will have something to do with me. Only those who are interested in the whole deal, might not have anything to do with me, and that's fine. There are so many women out there, It doesn't matter how many aren't interested in me. I've also spent my teens as a monk, so if things turn out bad, I can be celibate and be happy about it. There's always be porn around ,and even if there's no porn, I have my imagination.

 

You stay on that path of self-commiseration. You keep blaming men and try to shame them.

 

Wendy Darling tried it, and guess what? I'm still The Boy Who will never grow up, and I'm making sure that my brothers and my cousins are going to enjoy their potential, I mean, God wouldn't have made them so good looking if they weren't to be shared by women. I just have to take their heads out of those silly video games, and make them see the women around them. Now, how to do it is the question.

 

I loved the shaming language, though. Reminded me of my grandmother. We should try this again.

 

And please, do work on that bitterness and that hatred you have for men with options. It won't do you any good if you are interested in catching a good man and making him commit to you.

 

Good luck!

[Romeofud]

I certainly never trashed older women. I'm just not into them for reasons I already divulged. Maybe it's because I'm now fully coming into myself as to why I feel this way. Who knows? I dont really know or care. I'm just in it to win it and it feels good lol. And yes, it does feel good to be admired for who you are and where you're status is in life, and to have the others following that lead. That's where younger women fall when with older men like me. This is strictly from my experience. OP and others have their own reasons on why and who they choose as a mate.

[LeaningIntoTheMuse]

You should date women for love. Older, younger, what does it matter?

 

Just stay over 18, and you're good to go.

[Mr.Cairo]

I certainly never trashed older women. I'm just not into them for reasons I already divulged. Maybe it's because I'm now fully coming into myself as to why I feel this way. Who knows? I dont really know or care. I'm just in it to win it and it feels good lol. And yes, it does feel good to be admired for who you are and where you're status is in life, and to have the others following that lead. That's where younger women fall when with older men like me. This is strictly from my experience. OP and others have their own reasons on why and who they choose as a mate.

 

It doesn't matter. Many men are going to be angry at you because of your options, and many women are going to try to shame you into dating them, using silly tactics as calling you a 'pedophile', forgetting that many of them were dating guys older than them, when they were younger. If they are caught in the lie, they'll say that they had low self-esteem, or that the guy raped them, or that their father was a tyrant.

 

People like that are addicted to the sexual power they had over men(or women) when they were young, and now that they want to settle down or whatever, they are angry at seeing the best potential mates being interested, and chasing after, and dating, and marrying women younger, or much younger than them.

 

That's why you see them claiming that the men are afraid of a 'strong, independent woman', and all of that self-rationalization, which is very cute to observe.

 

Let them be. Let the loosers enjoy their 'loose' women .

[D-Lish]

Are you all saying that all of you were victims in your 20's, that all of you were abused? And then you ladies wonder why men go for women with little emotional/physical baggage as possible.

 

The hatred you lot feel for younger women is staggering, sweet lord.

 

 

 

Oh wow. I think you're way off base.

 

I'm 41, and I supervise a whole host of young girls in their early 20's- a lot of them really beautiful. It's never bothered me. I don't love being 41, but I don't begrudge any young women for having the youth I don't have. I have wisdom they don't have, and I wouldn't trade that to be 20 again.

 

I actually wasn't anywhere near beautiful when I was in my early 20's- I didn't come into my own until my early 30's, when I lost some weight and gained a sense of confidence I never had when I was younger.

 

I love being a mentor to younger women- I really enjoy being around them. I've always thought it important to help younger women feel more confident by pointing out what is wonderful about them.

 

There is nothing threatening about a beautiful woman to me, younger or older. I'll always be that woman that will compliment a stranger because she looks great. I'll never be that woman that scowls at another woman when I pass by her because I think she's hotter than me- I don't even think like that. I'll be that woman that smiles at them.

 

If I could take the wisdom and confidence I have now and put it into a 20 year old body, I'd love it- but life isn't fair. By the time you get your **** together, your body and young looks have usually given up on you, lol.

 

I don't know how this thread turned into men bashing older women for hating younger women and making an issue out of women of a certain age being bitter and expired. It's kinda mean, and it's kinda framing women as a commodity with an expiry date. Apparantly, the same girls some of the men are defending right now for being younger- won't be worthy of defense in 10 years when they hit an expiry date.

 

Kinda sad.