threebyfate Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Surely you mean to refute the claim, that "women are shallow"? Because the data clearly shows that a high level of attractiveness is not, on average, a necessary criteria for these women, who belong to websites to -- get this -- reply to messages on a dating site. Whereas with men, it is. This isn't even about dating. Men still put a strong bias toward attraction on who they're willing to even politely respond to. And they're not the gender getting their inbox inundated. How does this not read "men are shallow as ****" to you? This data shows that women are ridiculously forgiving, especially considering their higher standards. What's more amazing to me is that when people perseverate on an insecurity, they can find whatever they want, in any data. Imagine if the reply curve was more like the men's. Then you'd have something to worry about, fuggos. I don't mean to be like that, really. It's just there's a thread like this going every time I visit LS. Don't you guys ever get tired of feeling sorry for yourselves? No?Thank you! This is how I read it but being female, making a comment would have just gotten them going worse with their self-pity sausage fest.
Darren Taylor Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 One is what Steve C80 said. Some of those women got really hot guys to have sex with them and won't "settle" for less. This is very few women. Even the best looking guys aren't perfect. I don't believe anyone is a 10/10. Maybe a 9.9/10, but not a 10. One guy may not have a square jaw, one may have short eyelashes, another may only be 5'11", another may have thin lips. No one is perfect all around. Look at the best looking celebrities: Brad Pitt is only 5'10", Ricky Martin is 5'11", George Clooney has gray hair, Channing Tatum has Dumbo ears. No one is perfect. Two is that allot of women are convinced that THEY don't look that good. Which is odd since as OKC points out men consider most all women to be about equally attractive... YET we first approach those who are on the higher end of the scale. Not all women are equally attractive on that site. As for the women feeling they don't look all that good, that's plausible. Three these women convinced that they don't look that good... "settle" for men that they don't think look that good in comparison to other men. They don't think they can do better...so they do the best they can. This sounds the most plausible of the three. Settling sounds like the most likely scenario. I remember I created an account on OKC about three months ago. I figured it was just something to check out. I still haven't deleted my account, though I haven't been on in at least a month. For the two months or so that I was on, I got profile views regularly, but I can only remember receiving two messages. One was from a girl in Tarzana. Decent looking, but a little too thin for my liking. The second was a girl in Anaheim that had to weigh at least 250 pounds. Her face wasn't bad, but she had to have close to 100 pounds on me(I'm 6'2" 170). I was actually expecting the chart to be the opposite of what it said. I figured these girls wouldn't look at anyone average looking. But the chart said the most attractive guys get the least messages. A bit surprising.
Author SteveC80 Posted April 1, 2011 Author Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) Surely you mean to refute the claim, that "women are shallow"? Because the data clearly shows that a high level of attractiveness is not, on average, a necessary criteria for these women, who belong to websites to -- get this -- reply to messages on a dating site. Whereas with men, it is. This isn't even about dating. Men still put a strong bias toward attraction on who they're willing to even politely respond to. And they're not the gender getting their inbox inundated. How does this not read "men are shallow as ****" to you? This data shows that women are ridiculously forgiving, especially considering their higher standards. What's more amazing to me is that when people perseverate on an insecurity, they can find whatever they want, in any data. Imagine if the reply curve was more like the men's. Then you'd have something to worry about, fuggos. I don't mean to be like that, really. It's just there's a thread like this going every time I visit LS. Don't you guys ever get tired of feeling sorry for yourselves? No? So women are less shallow because their pickier with looks but are willing to settle for a guy they dont feel that hot for becauae of their own insecurities ? What humane saints women are Edited April 1, 2011 by SteveC80
Mrlonelyone Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) @Welikeincrowds All I did was display the empirical data. The analysis I quoted was from OKC's own researchers. As you can see we can all interperet it. Nice move trying to make it sound like I was some how a "mysogynist" for citing numbers based on womens actual behavior. Now here's what I think about the "shallowness topic". Women are driven by looks too. That they rate 80% of men less than 2.5 stars out of five does not say that they are not shallow. The guys on OKC don't look like the humpback of Notre Damme. It says that in their eyes 80% of men are ugly...but they date them anyway. There is nothing wrong with being shallow IMHO at that stage. As I said light travels to our eyes at 186000 miles per second. We are designed to make judgements based on what we see. We either come in for a closer look or we don't based on what we see. Everyone and everything that has ever lived, and had eyes does that. It's 100% natural to make some judgements based on looks. So instead of trying to decide which gender is more saintly and less shallow.. lets just accept that both genders, in their own way, are equally likely to have looks based preferences. Edited April 1, 2011 by Mrlonelyone
Eeyore79 Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 How are you supposed to know your league or a women whos equal to you on level of attractivness? People dont have signs on their head im a 5 or im a 8 No, but you know whether you're super hot, above average, average, or kinda ugly. You also know where others fall on that same scale. It varies with personal opinion, but most people have at least a rough idea of how attractive they are and how attractive others are. You will have most success with people who are similarly or less attractive, unless you have extras to offer (i.e. money, fame, personality) which will allow you to date up.
somedude81 Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 No, but you know whether you're super hot, above average, average, or kinda ugly. You also know where others fall on that same scale. It varies with personal opinion, but most people have at least a rough idea of how attractive they are and how attractive others are. You will have most success with people who are similarly or less attractive, unless you have extras to offer (i.e. money, fame, personality) which will allow you to date up. The problem with that is if you are only average "the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her." So then what? Do I have to go after girls who are much heavier than myself and who aren't as pretty as I am? Something needs to change with society to rid women of their princess mentality.
Thedude22 Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Ugly guys pull in ass all the time. It's about confidence and effort more than anything else. Looks, humor and charm do not mean anything if you don't have the confidence to put them to use. The ugly guy with confidence will pull in more girls because he will hit on 100 women and get 10. The good looking guy may only hit on 5 girls and get 1.
Mr.Cairo Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Ugly guys pull in ass all the time. It's about confidence and effort more than anything else. Looks, humor and charm do not mean anything if you don't have the confidence to put them to use. The ugly guy with confidence will pull in more girls because he will hit on 100 women and get 10. The good looking guy may only hit on 5 girls and get 1. Ah, the magical word. Confidence. It seems that people create two scenarios if the woman is to be attracted to the average guy. 1)The good looking guy has no confidence. 2)The average guy has a superb intellect, makes her laugh, or has confidence. The chances of finding a good looking guy with no confidence are very low. Good looking guys are like what the average woman is to the average, and below average man: priceless. Why would the good looking guy be without confidence? Since he was very young women have thrown themselves at him, with no effort and with no expense. He grew up looking at the other men bitterly struggling to get what he has without putting an ounce of importance to the whole ordeal. Are we talking about short guys in their teens who suddenly had a major growth spurt and went to become more than 6 feet tall? Guys who were fat and now have a defined body? Their low self-esteem matters little. He might have some trouble adjusting to the new found attention from women, but he'll eventually get used to it and his old fears and insecurities will find an end. Average guys can and do get girlfriends, from all sort of levels of beauty, social background and so on. But that's situational, It depends on many factors. Example, a friend of mine was going to buy some clothes. He brought along another friend with him. This was the typical expensive clothes store, where every employee is female and very good looking. My friend, the guy who was going to buy clothes, is 6'6'', with very good musculature definition, very well dressed etc, but the young woman(who was in her early 20's and physically perfect) was blushing and giggling and so nervous at the presence of the average looking guy that she got the billing all wrong and had to chase after my friend and the guy, to get the price right(she overcharged it). They eventually discovered that the young woman was a friend of my friend's girlfriend so they met up later. The average guy and the gal dated, but months later she told him that what made her drawn to him was how she sensed that he wasn't exactly the recipient of much female attention. By being so good looking, she naturally had relationships and such with guys matching her looks, but she found out that when a guy(or a gal) has many options, the guy is not going to be as caring and as 'trustworthy' as the guy who suddenly finds in his lap a woman who could be part of the Victoria's secret catalog. What I said for good looking women can be applied on average women. Maybe they went for someone out of their league. Maybe they went for the bad boy when young and now decide to give the regular guy a chance. Point being, average guys or below average, seen with average to good looking women, have nothing to do with 'game'. Game doesn't exist. It was created by a bunch of guys keen on making a profit from this apparent need that many men have, of having female attention, Fill their heads with numbers and acts, and tactics, and they won't notice that the guy who was given superior looks doesn't have to work - and has a much higher % of success. Why is it so hard for people to accept reality. Guys are told that the women who have sex with the bad boys/Womanizers have low self-esteem. It doesn't matter that in many, many cases, the women are usually attractive, with good families and nothing ill going on with their lives. They must have low self-esteem because women - it seems - aren't allowed to have preferences for the guys who ARE attractive. And men are told that their lack of success with women is their lack of self-esteem and how they must approach 100 women to have a phone number out of it. Don't pay any attention to the fact that in most cases, the numbers give are phoney since many, many men can't deal with rejection, women are afraid of saying no, so the guy goes home thinking that he's going to 'score'. Leading to more bitterness concerning women, making men create threads of 'all women are shallow', instead of accepting the truth that, when a woman is in her prime, she's going to bank out on her physical assets to get what she wants and sorry, the average/below average guy isn't part of that. What's the difficulty in accepting life as it is? Women aren't interested in the guy? Move on, find something else. People can get used to what they don't have. More and more women can become free of the 'hitting on' by the men they don't want, and the good looking guys have more time to make women happy. Everyone ends up winning.
Author SteveC80 Posted April 1, 2011 Author Posted April 1, 2011 Ah, the magical word. Confidence. It seems that people create two scenarios if the woman is to be attracted to the average guy. 1)The good looking guy has no confidence. 2)The average guy has a superb intellect, makes her laugh, or has confidence. The chances of finding a good looking guy with no confidence are very low. Good looking guys are like what the average woman is to the average, and below average man: priceless. Why would the good looking guy be without confidence? Since he was very young women have thrown themselves at him, with no effort and with no expense. He grew up looking at the other men bitterly struggling to get what he has without putting an ounce of importance to the whole ordeal. Are we talking about short guys in their teens who suddenly had a major growth spurt and went to become more than 6 feet tall? Guys who were fat and now have a defined body? Their low self-esteem matters little. He might have some trouble adjusting to the new found attention from women, but he'll eventually get used to it and his old fears and insecurities will find an end. Average guys can and do get girlfriends, from all sort of levels of beauty, social background and so on. But that's situational, It depends on many factors. Example, a friend of mine was going to buy some clothes. He brought along another friend with him. This was the typical expensive clothes store, where every employee is female and very good looking. My friend, the guy who was going to buy clothes, is 6'6'', with very good musculature definition, very well dressed etc, but the young woman(who was in her early 20's and physically perfect) was blushing and giggling and so nervous at the presence of the average looking guy that she got the billing all wrong and had to chase after my friend and the guy, to get the price right(she overcharged it). They eventually discovered that the young woman was a friend of my friend's girlfriend so they met up later. The average guy and the gal dated, but months later she told him that what made her drawn to him was how she sensed that he wasn't exactly the recipient of much female attention. By being so good looking, she naturally had relationships and such with guys matching her looks, but she found out that when a guy(or a gal) has many options, the guy is not going to be as caring and as 'trustworthy' as the guy who suddenly finds in his lap a woman who could be part of the Victoria's secret catalog. What I said for good looking women can be applied on average women. Maybe they went for someone out of their league. Maybe they went for the bad boy when young and now decide to give the regular guy a chance. Point being, average guys or below average, seen with average to good looking women, have nothing to do with 'game'. Game doesn't exist. It was created by a bunch of guys keen on making a profit from this apparent need that many men have, of having female attention, Fill their heads with numbers and acts, and tactics, and they won't notice that the guy who was given superior looks doesn't have to work - and has a much higher % of success. Why is it so hard for people to accept reality. Guys are told that the women who have sex with the bad boys/Womanizers have low self-esteem. It doesn't matter that in many, many cases, the women are usually attractive, with good families and nothing ill going on with their lives. They must have low self-esteem because women - it seems - aren't allowed to have preferences for the guys who ARE attractive. And men are told that their lack of success with women is their lack of self-esteem and how they must approach 100 women to have a phone number out of it. Don't pay any attention to the fact that in most cases, the numbers give are phoney since many, many men can't deal with rejection, women are afraid of saying no, so the guy goes home thinking that he's going to 'score'. Leading to more bitterness concerning women, making men create threads of 'all women are shallow', instead of accepting the truth that, when a woman is in her prime, she's going to bank out on her physical assets to get what she wants and sorry, the average/below average guy isn't part of that. What's the difficulty in accepting life as it is? Women aren't interested in the guy? Move on, find something else. People can get used to what they don't have. More and more women can become free of the 'hitting on' by the men they don't want, and the good looking guys have more time to make women happy. Everyone ends up winning. I agree all that cliche confidence thign is bs if a women likes what she SEES and hears youre good,if shes not physically attracted to you there is no magic wand you can wave to make her attracted like these pua clowns will have you beleive Men and women have to learn to stay in their league,most couples are equally paired looks wise unless theres an amount of fame staus or money to equal things out
Mr.Cairo Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 I agree all that cliche confidence thign is bs if a women likes what she SEES and hears youre good,if shes not physically attracted to you there is no magic wand you can wave to make her attracted like these pua clowns will have you beleive Men and women have to learn to stay in their league,most couples are equally paired looks wise unless theres an amount of fame staus or money to equal things out And these guys need to learn that to approach a woman is senseless. When a woman is interested in a guy, she makes it happen. There is no 'we must wait 5 dates 'till we have sex', there is no issues about 'chemistry', nothing of that ' I must be in a committed relationship'. The women who wanted to sleep with me made it known. I've had women who wouldn't look at me and I've had women who 5 minutes after meeting me were telling me that they wanted to have sex with me. There ya go. These guys make it look like women have no sexual desires, that they sit on a bench waiting for men to approach them as if we were still living in the 14th century. The irony is that the women who had the means and the liberty went up to the guys they wanted and had sex with them. Amazing. We've lived for millions of years together, and most people don't understand the opposite gender. Jesus Christ.
Ross PK Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Ugly guys pull in ass all the time. It's about confidence and effort more than anything else. Looks, humor and charm do not mean anything if you don't have the confidence to put them to use. The ugly guy with confidence will pull in more girls because he will hit on 100 women and get 10. The good looking guy may only hit on 5 girls and get 1. Confidence in what? Pulling birds? In yourself? If it's in yourself, what does that mean?
PJKino Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 And these guys need to learn that to approach a woman is senseless. When a woman is interested in a guy, she makes it happen. There is no 'we must wait 5 dates 'till we have sex', there is no issues about 'chemistry', nothing of that ' I must be in a committed relationship'. The women who wanted to sleep with me made it known. I've had women who wouldn't look at me and I've had women who 5 minutes after meeting me were telling me that they wanted to have sex with me. There ya go. These guys make it look like women have no sexual desires, that they sit on a bench waiting for men to approach them as if we were still living in the 14th century. The irony is that the women who had the means and the liberty went up to the guys they wanted and had sex with them. Amazing. We've lived for millions of years together, and most people don't understand the opposite gender. Jesus Christ. Ive never been hit on in 30 years i must be hideous
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