SteveC80 Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6RZVUFDOuI Hes right, I love how these guys take these guys money and feed them bs and convince ugly dudes looks dont matter and they can get allot of women
orangelady Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6RZVUFDOuI Hes right, I love how these guys take these guys money and feed them bs and convince ugly dudes looks dont matter and they can get allot of women Looks does matter to most, but ugly people can find partners, its just a lot harder. How are yoU?
Eeyore79 Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Of course looks matter, and everyone would want to date a super hot person if they could, no matter what they personally look like. But we live in the real world, and average looking people usually don't get to date super hot people unless they have something else to offer such as heaps of money (which most average people don't). Most people tend to assess looks relative to themselves - maybe someone isn't hot, but the question is "Is he equally hot or hotter than me?" A guy will have more success if he approaches girls of a similar (or lower) level of attractiveness to himself, as they're the ones who are most likely to be interested. The problem arises when average guys approach super hot girls and constantly get rejected because they're not on the same level of attractiveness, and they usually don't realize that if they aimed at girls on or below their own level they'd have a lot more success. Of course, this whole argument is rendered moot if money is involved. The more money a guy has, the further above his own level of attractiveness he can date. Also if the hot woman has baggage which will turn off the more attractive guys, then she might date a little below her own level of attractiveness.
phineas Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 I've got a buddy who's 6'2 about 300lbs not muscular & pulled some of the hottest women i'd ever seen on a regular basis. He had tons of friends (giant social network) knew how to talk to women & also made some good scratch which i'm sure helped but since he dressed like a bum & lived in a modest home you'd only know he had cash when he paid the tab at the end of the night. So while he wasn't super hot he had a higher status. My buddy worked the room & talked to every chick he could until he found one that showed interest. Sometimes he'd approach 20 women before he found one that was interested.
AD1980 Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Of course looks matter, and everyone would want to date a super hot person if they could, no matter what they personally look like. But we live in the real world, and average looking people usually don't get to date super hot people unless they have something else to offer such as heaps of money (which most average people don't). Most people tend to assess looks relative to themselves - maybe someone isn't hot, but the question is "Is he equally hot or hotter than me?" A guy will have more success if he approaches girls of a similar (or lower) level of attractiveness to himself, as they're the ones who are most likely to be interested. The problem arises when average guys approach super hot girls and constantly get rejected because they're not on the same level of attractiveness, and they usually don't realize that if they aimed at girls on or below their own level they'd have a lot more success. Of course, this whole argument is rendered moot if money is involved. The more money a guy has, the further above his own level of attractiveness he can date. Also if the hot woman has baggage which will turn off the more attractive guys, then she might date a little below her own level of attractiveness. How are you supposed to know your league or a women whos equal to you on level of attractivness? People dont have signs on their head im a 5 or im a 8
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 OP, you have spoken so highly, and so very often about your own Godlike appearance. Won't you give some lonely, desperate ladies a thrill and post a picture of yourself? We'd be so very grateful.
Dust Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 OP, you have spoken so highly, and so very often about your own Godlike appearance. Won't you give some lonely, desperate ladies a thrill and post a picture of yourself? We'd be so very grateful. That's not the kind of thrill he probably want's to give a lonely, desperate woman. This youtube video sucks, completly pointless. Looks are important, but by no means is there some cut off line that sentences you to a life of loneliness. I agree that the PUA culture is bull**** but not because of the hope it inspire, but because of the PUA culture itself. Life is a journey, live it.
MistaDynamic Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 This youtube video sucks, completly pointless. Not true. There are plenty of desperate men paying thousands of dollars buying products and attending boot camps thinking they will discover the right techniques to catch any women. All these men need to hear Player's message. Looks are important, but by no means is there some cut off line that sentences you to a life of loneliness. Nobody said that.
Dust Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Not true. There are plenty of desperate men paying thousands of dollars buying products and attending boot camps thinking they will discover the right techniques to catch any women. All these men need to hear Player's message. The reason PUA material is pointless to spend money on is the following. It’s easy to get free. The advice is common sense advice like “approach” mixed in with perverse theories and ideologies with no other reason to make a marketable product. Finally people are happiest when they are best version of themselves they can be, not being fake even if it does some how get girls. Nobody said that. The video flat out said that girls wouldn’t want to date the jumpsuit guys up top when compared with the supposed heart throb on the bottom. Just really negative pity party crap.
somedude81 Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Most men in the world are between the mug shot guys and pretty boy. I think game was designed for the normal dudes, to give them a fighting chance.
Darren Taylor Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 PUA is BS. If you're average looking or below, you better have money or a Chris Rock-esque personality if you want the supermodels. The stuff they sell for insane amounts of change, any guy that has had success with women can share for free and within five minutes.
Dust Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Most men in the world are between the mug shot guys and pretty boy. I think game was designed for the normal dudes, to give them a fighting chance. No doubt a very good looking man has almost magical powers when it comes to women. Not many men like that exist. Even a tall supposedly good looking guy can’t just rely on looks unless he is one of the very rare true god’s among men. Bottom line you can’t tell from a picture which man has the killer instinct when it comes to bagging a woman. The so called ugly guy on top may be capable of beating the crap out of the pretty boy. The guy on top may make more money then the guy on top. The guy on bottom may be more confident then the guy on the bottom. Just look at what the ugly Hugh Hefner created for himself. Necessity is the mother of invention. As humans we lack the instincts and special powers that most if not all wild animals possess. Yet it forces us to be greater. Never forget that.
somedude81 Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Just look at what the ugly Hugh Hefner created for himself. You mean this ugly guy? Bottom line you can’t tell from a picture which man has the killer instinct when it comes to bagging a woman. That is game. Though the better guys have it much easier. In essence, good looking guys are pre-approved and just need to make sure they don't screw up. Most women look to average guys as neutral to slightly below neutral. The only way to change her mind is he acts and what he says.
Dust Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 You mean this ugly guy? He doesn’t look better then the guys given as examples of average to me. He’s in a suit and has a sharp look in his eye. Can’t say he’s better looking. That is game. Though the better guys have it much easier. In essence, good looking guys are pre-approved and just need to make sure they don't screw up. Most women look to average guys as neutral to slightly below neutral. The only way to change her mind is he acts and what he says. Underdog mentality when used right wins every time. Stop worrying about preapproved and other crap.
Darren Taylor Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Young Hefner isn't ugly. Certainly above average, but far from model handsome.
fishtaco Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Why only pick out one thing and say that's the make or break attribute? Women like the whole package. The whole package contains everything, including looks and money and status. But it also includes game. If you're weak in one, make up for it in the other, and your overall package would be better. I've seen seemingly unimpressive guys pull in hot women. But I'm a guy, I can't feel a man's X-factor that women can.
Mrlonelyone Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Here is what some interesting empirical data from OK Cupid has to say about this. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ When it comes to how women rate men in relation to how they message men... http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_looks_and_inbox/Female-Messaging-Curve.png As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway. In a nutshell. Looks do matter to women... but it seems most women have decided that most men aren't physically attractive! However those same women will message a man they find unattractive more than a man they find attractive. (They also did a similar survey on how men rate and reply to women... but we are talking about how women respond to men here right? )
somedude81 Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Wow that's some crazy stuff. Women think 80% of men are worse than average. That's shallow beyond belief. the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her That just makes my blood boil.
Darren Taylor Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Here is what some interesting empirical data from OK Cupid has to say about this. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ When it comes to how women rate men in relation to how they message men... http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_looks_and_inbox/Female-Messaging-Curve.png In a nutshell. Looks do matter to women... but it seems most women have decided that most men aren't physically attractive! However those same women will message a man they find unattractive more than a man they find attractive. (They also did a similar survey on how men rate and reply to women... but we are talking about how women respond to men here right? ) So the second link shows that the most attractive men rarely get messaged? Did I read that right?
Chicago_Guy Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 That video was pathetic - he showed two old, bald, and wrinkling men who looked like they were in prison uniforms and he also showed one young man and asked who was more attractive. The relative ages alone would cause most women to pick the younger man. Also, that guy essentially said that a man is ugly if he is balding. I don't think that is necessarily true at all. A balding man who otherwise has an attractive face and wears decent clothes and is physically fit can do quite well with a lot of women.
Author SteveC80 Posted April 1, 2011 Author Posted April 1, 2011 Wow that's some crazy stuff. Women think 80% of men are worse than average. That's shallow beyond belief. That just makes my blood boil. Women are much more picky then Men therye whole lives are about vanity and judging attratciveness But Men are partly to blame for the average looking womens sense of entitlement,hot guys will bang average women to get a nut off which will inflate the ego of the average women thinking shes hot enough and on the same level as these guys Shell convince herself the guy didnt want a relationship because hes a "player" not because hes on a higher levle of the social food chain then her which is what the truth is When her bioligicla clocks ticking shell marry an average guy to "settle" even though in reality hes probably on the same league of attractivness as her
Mrlonelyone Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 So the second link shows that the most attractive men rarely get messaged? Did I read that right? Yes it does. Because women in point of fact both consider most men to be below average looking YET they message the supposedly below average men. Here is what I think is going on. One is what Steve C80 said. Some of those women got really hot guys to have sex with them and won't "settle" for less. This is very few women. Two is that allot of women are convinced that THEY don't look that good. Which is odd since as OKC points out men consider most all women to be about equally attractive... YET we first approach those who are on the higher end of the scale. Three these women convinced that they don't look that good... "settle" for men that they don't think look that good in comparison to other men. They don't think they can do better...so they do the best they can. @Somedude. Remember this empirical data. The next time someone tries to tell you that women are less shallow than men.... give them those links. Women just like men are attracted first to looks. Looks get us in for a closer look at everything else. This is simply because light travels at 186000 miles per second and can be detected at long distance. Our society then teaches women that "good girls don't ogle mens bodies"...and to be ashamed of their natural female sexuality. Look at it this way so what if women think 80% of men don't look good. The men in that 80% get more responses. From my perspective... I was told by someone here that in my photo I might look to "playa playa" for most women. I guess that person may have had a point. If I looked like more of a slob in my pictures I would get more responses. Oh the Irony. LOL. I guess if we guys want to get more replies to our messages we should not shave for a few days, and not try to look too good. WTH
MistaDynamic Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Also, that guy essentially said that a man is ugly if he is balding. I don't think that is necessarily true at all. A balding man who otherwise has an attractive face and wears decent clothes and is physically fit can do quite well with a lot of women. That was the whole point of the videos. You're only looking at part one. The whole point of videos was say if you're not hot model type then you need to improve your appearance and learn some game or else you won't attract any females attention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t1V43WpIoQ
Mrlonelyone Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 That was the whole point of the videos. You're only looking at part one. The whole point of videos was say if you're not hot model type then you need to improve your appearance and learn some game or else you won't attract any females attention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t1V43WpIoQ Perhaps the solution for men is that men have to look better than the top 50% of the 80% of men that according to OKC women would rate as "below average" looking. Look good...but not unattainably / unkeepably good.
welikeincrowds Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 @Somedude. Remember this empirical data. The next time someone tries to tell you that women are less shallow than men.... give them those links. Surely you mean to refute the claim, that "women are shallow"? Because the data clearly shows that a high level of attractiveness is not, on average, a necessary criteria for these women, who belong to websites to -- get this -- reply to messages on a dating site. Whereas with men, it is. This isn't even about dating. Men still put a strong bias toward attraction on who they're willing to even politely respond to. And they're not the gender getting their inbox inundated. How does this not read "men are shallow as ****" to you? This data shows that women are ridiculously forgiving, especially considering their higher standards. What's more amazing to me is that when people perseverate on an insecurity, they can find whatever they want, in any data. Imagine if the reply curve was more like the men's. Then you'd have something to worry about, fuggos. I don't mean to be like that, really. It's just there's a thread like this going every time I visit LS. Don't you guys ever get tired of feeling sorry for yourselves? No?
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