Ladies: Prefer the "good guy" or the "bad boy" boyfriend?

[musemaj11]

The bad boy for dating.

 

The rich guy for marriage.

[johan]

A bitter guy might also say something like...

 

The bad boy for dating.

 

The rich guy for marriage.

[musemaj11]

A bitter guy might also say something like...

More like the smart guy who is in touch with reality.

[OliveOyl]

They say men want a woman who's a lady in the streets and a bad girl in the sheets.

 

I think most women want the male counterpart: a man who's a gentleman in the streets and a bad boy in the sheets.

 

This.

 

One of the issues with my stbx was that there was a certain base-level chemistry missing. When things were going well when we were dating and in the first part of our marriage, we got along extremely well. BUT... he never made me "feel like a woman" in that certain way. I really think I need a bit more "alpha" in a guy or I end up feeling like their friend, mother, or sister. Which is not the right dynamic for being with someone I want to sleep with.

[Nexus One]

In my opinion most girls that say they want a bad boy, do not actually know what a bad boy is really like. I know both bad boys and nice guys and I don't think women realize what they can expect when living with a bad boy.

 

Some things women don't realize:

 

- Bad boys are often aggressive and abusive.

- Bad boys are often involved in criminal activities, so don't be surprised if your house gets raided at 5 in the morning by militarized police.

- Bad boys often cheat.

- Bad boys bring dangerous people into your house.

- Bad boys have dangerous enemies.

 

Now look at the above points and realize how that would be when you have kids and what kind of influence that has on your kids.

[Bj099235]

I've heard a lot of "nice guys" just don't know how to show sexual interest with women. The friendzone they go, if they can't.

[fortyninethousand322]

I've heard a lot of "nice guys" just don't know how to show sexual interest with women. The friendzone they go, if they can't.

 

Yup. Or the invisible zone.

[Melocoton]

Easy, women are sexually attracted to bad boys, use them as an excuse to **** them and leave them.

 

Good guys, they date and want ltr, but if the good guy is too much of a pussy then dump his ass.

[Ross MwcFan]

I've heard a lot of "nice guys" just don't know how to show sexual interest with women. The friendzone they go, if they can't.

 

Interesting theory. I wonder when you are supposed to show sexual interest and how? I mean, are we talking normal flirting as soon as you meet someone that you find attractive?

[Woggle]

In my opinion most girls that say they want a bad boy, do not actually know what a bad boy is really like. I know both bad boys and nice guys and I don't think women realize what they can expect when living with a bad boy.

 

Some things women don't realize:

 

- Bad boys are often aggressive and abusive.

- Bad boys are often involved in criminal activities, so don't be surprised if your house gets raided at 5 in the morning by militarized police.

- Bad boys often cheat.

- Bad boys bring dangerous people into your house.

- Bad boys have dangerous enemies.

 

Now look at the above points and realize how that would be when you have kids and what kind of influence that has on your kids.

 

Very true. We as a culture romanticize danger until we are actually faced with it and have no way out.

 

I saw a new show called Mob Wives where one of the women comes from a good family and had every advantage in life. She didn't have to go down that road but she had an attraction to gangsters and ended up marrying a bank robber who got locked up. Now she is raising two kids by herself and has a husband in prison who she brings food to every week. A real romantic life isn't it?

[Lilmisus]

In my opinion most girls that say they want a bad boy, do not actually know what a bad boy is really like. I know both bad boys and nice guys and I don't think women realize what they can expect when living with a bad boy.

 

Some things women don't realize:

 

- Bad boys are often aggressive and abusive.

- Bad boys are often involved in criminal activities, so don't be surprised if your house gets raided at 5 in the morning by militarized police.

- Bad boys often cheat.

- Bad boys bring dangerous people into your house.

- Bad boys have dangerous enemies.

 

Now look at the above points and realize how that would be when you have kids and what kind of influence that has on your kids.

 

Hah! Sounds like the perfect description of my ex. Except, his house wasn't raided at five in the morning, it was raided multiple times at multiple hours of the day/night for over a month. Wasn't his fault, but close enough. And he was never abusive, just very aggressive at times, especially sexually. I guess it's a good thing that I've learned my lesson and am now shooting for more so a "good guy" boyfriend from now on.

[OldSkool]

Here is my take on the whole debate.

 

Nice guy: Puts the girl's perceived needs/wishes/desires above all others, including his own.

 

Bad Boy: Puts his own needs/wishes/desires above all others, especially females.

 

The Real Man: Balances her needs, with his needs and social acceptability.

[Kelemort]

I have NEVER seen the appeal of the bad boy. Nothing gets older faster than a guy who treats you like absolute crap.

 

It helps that before I started dating, I watched my cousin chase a drunken piece of crap (..literally, he couldn't stop drinking and driving so much that he spent a year in jail) who never paid child support for his previous two kids. He was physically abusive at times and almost always verbally abusive to her. She's been with him on-and-off for 7 or 8 years and they have a 5-year-old son - and of course he's maybe contributed $100 - $200 to his son's welfare over the past 5 years.

 

The sad thing is she will go after that guy for the rest of her life, and her son is merely a pawn in their game. Whenever her ex goes off for another woman, my cousin gets jealousy and starts proceedings for child support. But when he comes back to her, she changes her tune and she's fine with him not paying up. Why she chose this guy when she saw from the start that he's crap is beyond me.

 

I don't need a bad boy thrill in my life. I like the comfort, security and happiness of being with someone who has their crap together and generally knows how to be respectful and loving. You don't get that every day. The bad boy is a dime a dozen.

[threebyfate]

Mmmm...romance! Mmmm...getting done against the wall!

 

I'm just a love machine

And I won't work for nobody but you

(yeah baby)

A hugging, kissing fiend.

 

I think it's high time you knew

Whenever I think of you

My mind blows a fuse.

(baby)

 

~Miracles

 

What some of us want (and have) is a man who loves and wants us.

[Ruby Slippers]

I want a good guy who is not a doormat, is not a people pleaser who lies and pretends to get people to like him, is not so insecure that he forces me to feel sorry for him, and is not looking for a substitute mommy.

[Shaun-Dro]

I want a good guy who is not a doormat, is not a people pleaser who lies and pretends to get people to like him, is not so insecure that he forces me to feel sorry for him, and is not looking for a substitute mommy.

 

I'm in no way a doormat. I have opinions, take charge, dont care what anyone thinks of me, etc. I also treat people with respect at the same time, but I dont seem to ever catch a break with young, decent-looking women these days or given the chance to show them who I am.

 

It's like they just assume everything before anything happens. It's only a much older unattractive woman who shows interest in me, and I'm not keen on them. I know they're interested because they've been down the "bad-boy" road. They know it gets them nowhere, so when they meet me and talk to me, they instantly pick up my mannerisms as a "good guy", which is good but like I said, not looking for "mommy" to date.

 

Also, I think what keeps good men from getting anywhere with women is the fact that a lot of women dont really believe in decent men. It's like they believe it's a front just to date them. But it's not. This happens over a period of bad experiences they've encountered. And in NYC, it seems to be the case most of the time. Women are to blame for making these bad choices with picking smooth-talking men, instead of honest ones.

 

Plus NY women are extremely guarded it's terrible. They only let their guards down at a lounge, bar, or club after several drinks. I'm not interested in a woman half-drunk as a potential mate. But that seems to be the only place where women let loose in NYC.

 

The cold approach doesn't really work. She's on guard for that it seems. I guess I can try quiet venues like the library, but the lack of eye contact from her takes me back somewhat from approaching. People in NY, women especially are afraid to give men eye contact. It's the constant games all the time, acting as if she doesn't see him, and that's ridiculous because I am a well-dressed, athletic-looking guy, so I know for a fact she's playing games or is just plain fearful of meeting anyone.

 

I dont think women wanna connect with a man anymore. That she rather do it with her "girlfriends" on girls-night-out, and whenever she has an urge to have sex, she'll pick some "hunk" for it and be done. This is a rinse and repeat process that's going on like no tomorrow.

[Enchanted Girl]

There's a whole lot I have to say in response to this thread.

 

First of all, I've only dated nice guys, except arguably, my first boyfriend. I've only gotten serious with guys who told me "I love you" over and over again and complimented me and acted nice to me. And several of them have been told,"You're such a nice guy, but I can't really date you" by girls over and over again. In fact, my current boyfriend has heard that a lot of times, so I have a lot of experience with them.

 

First of all, nice guys exaggerate their niceness. All guys are insultful and rude and selfish on occasion. One nice guy I dated, who was rejected repeatedly for being nice, started feeling me up on the first date and when I told him to stop, just continued and ignored what I said and even kept going when I pushed him off of me a few times, but finally gave up after awhile. He also told me that he had had only one girlfriend for a year and that he had dumped her because she wasn't having sex with him, which to me screamed "*******." Because they were both religious and I thought he was a little dick for not respecting her beliefs (that were supposed to be his as well) to save herself until marriage. He said they were otherwise in love, he just couldn't take not having sex anymore. She did give him blow jobs and masturbate with him, but it wasn't enough. I'd never do this to a guy, but it just seems like a nice guy would respect this decision.

 

Another "nice guy" I dated, got extremely pissed, when on the first date I wouldn't sleep with him. He said he paid for my dinner and had talked to me enough before we ever went on a date that he deserved it and wasn't respecting me when I said no to him.

 

Another one saw me with my shirt off and when I told him I had an insecurity about my breasts, he agreed that the thing I mentioned was a flaw I had in them. =/ I'm sure he would have loved it if I told him something was wrong with his penis and yet he didn't apologize for saying that or even notice that it hurt my feelings.

 

Another one pulled out his dick the first time we kissed and started masturbating, even though it made me uncomfortable.

 

Another one, talked to me about his marriage that he had been divorced from and how he'd purposefully piss off his ex-wife by doing the exact opposite of whatever she said when she asked him to do something. And how he'd take their money and spend it on himself and not tell her about it and how much the two of them fought about it.

 

These were all guys who said they were "nice guys." Who got dumped for being "nice guys." And who often listened to me and complimented me when I talked to them. And tried to be romantic with me. Some of them even watched girly movies with me. But nice guys aren't that nice all the time. They are still little *******s. And even though several of these guys, when I dumped them, said,"I'm such a nice guy and I got dumped again", they aren't really nice guys all the time. =/ In fact, they can be damn hard to deal with sometimes.

 

My boyfriend is a nice guy, genuinely, I can tell the difference, but he can be an ******* on occasion, too. He's actually did one of the things I listed above. Yet he's been dumped by six girls for being "too nice."

 

The one that that wouldn't stop when I said no to him feeling me up on the first date is still friends with me. We have each other's facebooks and he's always posting stupid crap about how nice guys finish last. In fact, this is on his facebook right now:

 

http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~jenf/writing/rant04.html

 

He IS nice. He does listen to me, even now when I want to talk to him, but that doesn't mean he's not a little ******* sometimes.

 

I also think men get a bit confused because women complain a lot about the men they are dating. Because men, in the beginning of a relationship, usually go all out, trying to woo her and win her over and then once we fall in love with them, they start neglecting us and letting the ******* side of them show a lot more. So sometimes we go on rants about how they treat us different now.

 

For instance, I was in a relationship for five years with this guy. At first, he spent a lot of time with me and complimented me a lot and told me he loved me a bunch of times every day, but about two years into the relationship when I was deeply, deeply in love with him, he started ignoring me more and more and more. I complained about it a lot because I missed the old him and was hoping that old him would eventually come back and it did on occasion in bursts, but never permanently. And when I complained to men about it, sometimes they'd start grumbling and saying,"See! You're one of those girls who will date an ******* but won't give a nice guy a chance." I wasn't. I had fallen in love with a very wonderful guy and he had turned into an *******.

 

Another thing I have to say is that "nice guys" sometimes blame the fact that they are "nice" on why they can't get girlfriends when in reality, it's something else entirely.

 

I dated this guy for awhile that was super nice because I felt too guilty not to because he was so nice. The problem was, he had a horrible looking face, weighed 400 pounds (literally, I don't mind dating fat guys, my current boyfriend is 300 pounds, but this was just too much), had a penis the size of a baby's, and said he was in a lot of debt, but refused to work and would never work and just wanted to run away from his bills for the rest of his life. When I dumped him, he said it was because he was such a nice guy. NO. I didn't dump him because he was a nice guy. In fact, that was just about the only thing that I DID like about him.

 

Although I will say this. When I dumped him, I told him,"You're a nice guy, but I just can't do this anymore." Why? Because saying,"You weigh too much, you're ugly, you have a tiny dick, and you're irresponsible" was way too big of a blow for me to deal to him on top of dumping him. People are rarely honest when they tell you the reasons why they are dumping you. They omit things because they feel guilty about it. So just because a girl may have dumped you and said this to you, it doesn't mean that's the real reason they dumped you. They are just trying to soften the blow.

 

And all of this makes it really hard for me to believe that there's this giant troop of nice guys prancing around being perfect while women treat them like ****. It's an exaggeration.

[Ruby Slippers]

I dont think women wanna connect with a man anymore. That she rather do it with her "girlfriends" on girls-night-out, and whenever she has an urge to have sex, she'll pick some "hunk" for it and be done. This is a rinse and repeat process that's going on like no tomorrow.

I want a real relationship with a man, but a good man (or woman) is not easy to find. I'd like to find a man roughly "on my level", but I don't think I'm physically attractive enough for those guys. The guys I do attract are usually not on my level, and even if I am willing to overlook that, their insecurities eventually get in the way.

 

So now I'm focusing a lot more attention on my appearance. I'm getting in the best shape I possibly can, doing certain "beauty" treatments I never would have before, upgrading my entire wardrobe. I don't want to spend so much time and energy on these superficial concerns, but it seems that is what men respond to most of all.

[elaina]

I don't prefer "good" or "bad." I prefer "unique" My guy has good and bad in him and a whole lot of individuality!!!

He's one in a million!!!!!! :bunny:

[Woggle]

I'm in no way a doormat. I have opinions, take charge, dont care what anyone thinks of me, etc. I also treat people with respect at the same time, but I dont seem to ever catch a break with young, decent-looking women these days or given the chance to show them who I am.

 

It's like they just assume everything before anything happens. It's only a much older unattractive woman who shows interest in me, and I'm not keen on them. I know they're interested because they've been down the "bad-boy" road. They know it gets them nowhere, so when they meet me and talk to me, they instantly pick up my mannerisms as a "good guy", which is good but like I said, not looking for "mommy" to date.

 

Also, I think what keeps good men from getting anywhere with women is the fact that a lot of women dont really believe in decent men. It's like they believe it's a front just to date them. But it's not. This happens over a period of bad experiences they've encountered. And in NYC, it seems to be the case most of the time. Women are to blame for making these bad choices with picking smooth-talking men, instead of honest ones.

 

Plus NY women are extremely guarded it's terrible. They only let their guards down at a lounge, bar, or club after several drinks. I'm not interested in a woman half-drunk as a potential mate. But that seems to be the only place where women let loose in NYC.

 

The cold approach doesn't really work. She's on guard for that it seems. I guess I can try quiet venues like the library, but the lack of eye contact from her takes me back somewhat from approaching. People in NY, women especially are afraid to give men eye contact. It's the constant games all the time, acting as if she doesn't see him, and that's ridiculous because I am a well-dressed, athletic-looking guy, so I know for a fact she's playing games or is just plain fearful of meeting anyone.

 

I dont think women wanna connect with a man anymore. That she rather do it with her "girlfriends" on girls-night-out, and whenever she has an urge to have sex, she'll pick some "hunk" for it and be done. This is a rinse and repeat process that's going on like no tomorrow.

 

You have to look outside of NYC. I was born and raised their before the wannabe Carrie Bradshaws completely ruined the place and I am glad I left before it went to hell.

 

They saw SATC and started coming their in droves and they want to emulate that lifestyle which of course makes it a complete nightmare if you want anything other than some quick fun with them. My friends who still live there say they almost wish to see another crime wave happen so it can flush them and other yuppies out.

[GoodOnPaper]

I want a real relationship with a man, but a good man (or woman) is not easy to find. I'd like to find a man roughly "on my level", but I don't think I'm physically attractive enough for those guys.

 

Ah, the old "my-standards-are-higher-than-YOU-could-possibly-ever-meet" method of raising your dating value. Good luck. I do wonder about these elusive "good" men that are always taken or otherwise hard to find. What makes them so "good"? I assume that top 1- or 2%-level objective attractiveness is a prerequisite . . .

[GoodOnPaper]

And all of this makes it really hard for me to believe that there's this giant troop of nice guys prancing around being perfect while women treat them like ****. It's an exaggeration.

 

You're right, all guys have personality flaws, but this isn't about individuals' behavior. The main quality that distinguishes "bad boys" from "nice guys" is that "bad boys" have mastered the art of attraction and either aren't good at or don't care about the relationship phase. "Nice guys" on the other hand are bad at attraction but often feel much more at home in the relationship phase. Unfortunately, you have to attract to get to a relationship -- hence, all the angst and frustration you see on LS threads.

[Ruby Slippers]

Ah, the old "my-standards-are-higher-than-YOU-could-possibly-ever-meet" method of raising your dating value. Good luck. I do wonder about these elusive "good" men that are always taken or otherwise hard to find. What makes them so "good"? I assume that top 1- or 2%-level objective attractiveness is a prerequisite . . .

To me, on my level means intelligent, compassionate, financially stable and self-sufficient, fun, reasonably active and in good health, self-assured enough that he doesn't try to convince me I'm too good for him, emotionally in tune, communicative, interested in making a relationship commitment, not under the sway of manipulation by family members (it's usually mean mom who's the problem), sexually revved up and capable in bed, with a reasonably positive attitude (or at least not bleeding cynicism).

 

I bring all that and then some to the table, so I don't think this is unreasonable.

 

But I have never found all this in one guy.

[Shaun-Dro]

There's a whole lot I have to say in response to this thread.

 

First of all, I've only dated nice guys, except arguably, my first boyfriend. I've only gotten serious with guys who told me "I love you" over and over again and complimented me and acted nice to me. And several of them have been told,"You're such a nice guy, but I can't really date you" by girls over and over again. In fact, my current boyfriend has heard that a lot of times, so I have a lot of experience with them.

 

First of all, nice guys exaggerate their niceness. All guys are insultful and rude and selfish on occasion. One nice guy I dated, who was rejected repeatedly for being nice, started feeling me up on the first date and when I told him to stop, just continued and ignored what I said and even kept going when I pushed him off of me a few times, but finally gave up after awhile. He also told me that he had had only one girlfriend for a year and that he had dumped her because she wasn't having sex with him, which to me screamed "*******." Because they were both religious and I thought he was a little dick for not respecting her beliefs (that were supposed to be his as well) to save herself until marriage. He said they were otherwise in love, he just couldn't take not having sex anymore. She did give him blow jobs and masturbate with him, but it wasn't enough. I'd never do this to a guy, but it just seems like a nice guy would respect this decision.

 

Another "nice guy" I dated, got extremely pissed, when on the first date I wouldn't sleep with him. He said he paid for my dinner and had talked to me enough before we ever went on a date that he deserved it and wasn't respecting me when I said no to him.

 

Another one saw me with my shirt off and when I told him I had an insecurity about my breasts, he agreed that the thing I mentioned was a flaw I had in them. =/ I'm sure he would have loved it if I told him something was wrong with his penis and yet he didn't apologize for saying that or even notice that it hurt my feelings.

 

Another one pulled out his dick the first time we kissed and started masturbating, even though it made me uncomfortable.

 

Another one, talked to me about his marriage that he had been divorced from and how he'd purposefully piss off his ex-wife by doing the exact opposite of whatever she said when she asked him to do something. And how he'd take their money and spend it on himself and not tell her about it and how much the two of them fought about it.

 

These were all guys who said they were "nice guys." Who got dumped for being "nice guys." And who often listened to me and complimented me when I talked to them. And tried to be romantic with me. Some of them even watched girly movies with me. But nice guys aren't that nice all the time. They are still little *******s. And even though several of these guys, when I dumped them, said,"I'm such a nice guy and I got dumped again", they aren't really nice guys all the time. =/ In fact, they can be damn hard to deal with sometimes.

 

My boyfriend is a nice guy, genuinely, I can tell the difference, but he can be an ******* on occasion, too. He's actually did one of the things I listed above. Yet he's been dumped by six girls for being "too nice."

 

The one that that wouldn't stop when I said no to him feeling me up on the first date is still friends with me. We have each other's facebooks and he's always posting stupid crap about how nice guys finish last. In fact, this is on his facebook right now:

 

http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~jenf/writing/rant04.html

 

He IS nice. He does listen to me, even now when I want to talk to him, but that doesn't mean he's not a little ******* sometimes.

 

I also think men get a bit confused because women complain a lot about the men they are dating. Because men, in the beginning of a relationship, usually go all out, trying to woo her and win her over and then once we fall in love with them, they start neglecting us and letting the ******* side of them show a lot more. So sometimes we go on rants about how they treat us different now.

 

For instance, I was in a relationship for five years with this guy. At first, he spent a lot of time with me and complimented me a lot and told me he loved me a bunch of times every day, but about two years into the relationship when I was deeply, deeply in love with him, he started ignoring me more and more and more. I complained about it a lot because I missed the old him and was hoping that old him would eventually come back and it did on occasion in bursts, but never permanently. And when I complained to men about it, sometimes they'd start grumbling and saying,"See! You're one of those girls who will date an ******* but won't give a nice guy a chance." I wasn't. I had fallen in love with a very wonderful guy and he had turned into an *******.

 

Another thing I have to say is that "nice guys" sometimes blame the fact that they are "nice" on why they can't get girlfriends when in reality, it's something else entirely.

 

I dated this guy for awhile that was super nice because I felt too guilty not to because he was so nice. The problem was, he had a horrible looking face, weighed 400 pounds (literally, I don't mind dating fat guys, my current boyfriend is 300 pounds, but this was just too much), had a penis the size of a baby's, and said he was in a lot of debt, but refused to work and would never work and just wanted to run away from his bills for the rest of his life. When I dumped him, he said it was because he was such a nice guy. NO. I didn't dump him because he was a nice guy. In fact, that was just about the only thing that I DID like about him.

 

Although I will say this. When I dumped him, I told him,"You're a nice guy, but I just can't do this anymore." Why? Because saying,"You weigh too much, you're ugly, you have a tiny dick, and you're irresponsible" was way too big of a blow for me to deal to him on top of dumping him. People are rarely honest when they tell you the reasons why they are dumping you. They omit things because they feel guilty about it. So just because a girl may have dumped you and said this to you, it doesn't mean that's the real reason they dumped you. They are just trying to soften the blow.

 

And all of this makes it really hard for me to believe that there's this giant troop of nice guys prancing around being perfect while women treat them like ****. It's an exaggeration.

 

Your post is "exaggeratingly" long, if such a word exists. Now, I never said I was such a nice guy. I said I was a "good guy" that stands up for what I believe and treat people with the same respect I deserve in return. Theres a difference.

 

Next, I was never "dumped" by anyone. I'm just not given a chance to get things started because girls just stand around trying to figure me out just because I'm pretty serious and refuse to walk around with a stupid smile on my face, faking the funk. That's just not me. What you see is what you get. Why cant people be "real" these days and accept things for how they are?

 

Also, all those jerks you talked about were just that, jerks! None of those guys were nice guys. They certainly weren't good men. Theres a very big difference between the two, so dont get them twisted. And even the OP's thread even mentions this: good guy or bad boy. Says nothing about nice guy any where in the heading.

[Enchanted Girl]

Your post is "exaggeratingly" long, if such a word exists. Now, I never said I was such a nice guy. I said I was a "good guy" that stands up for what I believe and treat people with the same respect I deserve in return. Theres a difference.

 

Next, I was never "dumped" by anyone. I'm just not given a chance to get things started because girls just stand around trying to figure me out just because I'm pretty serious and refuse to walk around with a stupid smile on my face, faking the funk. That's just not me. What you see is what you get. Why cant people be "real" these days and accept things for how they are?

 

Also, all those jerks you talked about were just that, jerks! None of those guys were nice guys. They certainly weren't good men. Theres a very big difference between the two, so dont get them twisted. And even the OP's thread even mentions this: good guy or bad boy. Says nothing about nice guy any where in the heading.

 

They weren't jerks. All guys have moments when they act like jerks. Just like all women have moments when they are bitches. My point is people get really confused and label all guys getting any as the bad boys and the ones not getting any as the good ones.

 

The reason a lot of these guys acted like this is I tend to attract men (for some reason) who have very little experience with women, so they aren't even aware of some of these basic rules of how to behave, especially when sex gets involved in the picture.

 

All these guys were interested in having long term relationships. They told me that they were dating me because I seem like the ltr kind of girl. And almost all of them, as I've put it, have been dumped for being nice guys or rejected for being too good or some stuff. (I was using that as proof that society labels them that way, no saying that you, personally, were that way.) It's gotten to the point where I roll my eyes when men say that to me. It sounds rather conceited to claim to be super good and super nice and super awesome anyway. My Dad is genuinely a nice guy and yet I've never heard him ONCE say that. He's too humble to.

 

If the definition of a nice guy is someone who doesn't act like any of these things, then the reason we don't date them is because there literally aren't any. Unless I am already in a relationship, I always say yes to every guy who asks me out. I figure,"Why not give him a chance?" And so far, none of the guys that have asked me out were perfect knights in shining armor. And if I expected them to be I'd be living in some kind of naive, fairy tale dream.

 

But if you listened to this forum and a lot of guys talk, you'd think they were everywhere. They aren't.