Untouchable_Fire Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 I cant imagine how our society will be like when women make up most of the educated population and hold most of the wealth. I bet there will be even countless more miserable single people in this country. I mean if 70% of the top jobs are held by women, that means only 30% of men will be considered desirable mates. And if a portion of these men choose to be with women who are outside of those 70% considering men are less interested in economic status, then crap will truly hit the fan. I think this is a very interesting social phenomenon that is occurring in all progressive nations. But I understand that women arent as interested in science subjects as men are. Just watch, sooner or later this theory will catch on and when it does, you guys know who you heard it first from. It will never get that bad. While it's true that colleges are now 60% female, even state schools are now considering lowering the bar for boys. I think that might just increase the failure rate... but it is a good start. I don't think we discourage boys from learning so much as we focus on the girls so damn hard the boys just fall by the wayside. Also... while SOME women endlessly compete with one another for the same damn guy... (entire OW forum)... there will also be a large group of women who won't mind dating men with less money. - So long as those guys can still pay for dates! Seriously though... my sister works 2.5 jobs... like 70 hours a week on average. I lovingly call her live-in BF "spare change"... because he strongly reminds me of the guys that ask me for change on the street. He hasn't held a job in... 10 years. She loves him. I tolerate him because he is kind to her. Her last BF came very close to death at my hands.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 You're grasping at straws. I love men. I am well known for it! OP is a man... I was saying "don't hate him". I don't think you have an issue with men in general. From what I see... there are very different types of Misogyny. OP is absolutely the most harmless. Like a Lion without tooth or claw. That's nothing like what I said. I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not looking for anything. I am in a very happy long term marriage. I don't know what else to say to you. You are babbling. I pretty much directly quoted you... so... whatever. It's kind of good to hear you don't really believe what you said you believe.
tinktronik Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 You have never bashed men but I have seen misandry on here. I admit that even I am starting to roll my eyes at some of the blatant misogyny on here. By no means do I think all women are like this. You have to admit I am much better than I was a year ago. I just have a knee jerk reaction when I see my gender being trashed. You've come a long way. You did not used to be able to recognize some of the blatant "men hating women and tossing them all into the salad mixer" posts on here. I think we have to be careful to try and weigh what posts are those that are blatant attempts to bash women and what are the ones honestly questioning men's place in society.
donnamaybe Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 You have never bashed men but I have seen misandry on here. I admit that even I am starting to roll my eyes at some of the blatant misogyny on here. By no means do I think all women are like this. You have to admit I am much better than I was a year ago. I just have a knee jerk reaction when I see my gender being trashed.Yes, Woggle, you have come a long way! Hence, I can now enjoy trading posts with you. Thank you for striving to come out of the dark place you were in due to the actions of some evil women in your past.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 You've come a long way. You did not used to be able to recognize some of the blatant "men hating women and tossing them all into the salad mixer" posts on here. I think we have to be careful to try and weigh what posts are those that are blatant attempts to bash women and what are the ones honestly questioning men's place in society. I also think some but not all of these guys have genuine scars from past hurts. You see it all the time with people of both genders who carry bitterness because they got screwed over before. Maybe there is not much blatant misandry here but go to some other boards and the hatred is pretty equal. It is really depressing to read. As for the OP I think that percentage of women who think a man is a walking wallet are about the same as men who want a woman to do nothing but me a maid and a servant at home. Maybe these people can mate with each other and leave everybody else to have equal relationships.
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 As for the OP I think that percentage of women who think a man is a walking wallet are about the same as men who want a woman to do nothing but me a maid and a servant at home. Maybe these people can mate with each other and leave everybody else to have equal relationships. That's what I'm saying! Really, why give a s**t what other people are doing in their personal relationships, as long as real abuse is not happening - in which case I believe it's all of society's responsibility to do something about it. I would like everyone to move on and be more enlightened, but my wish is not coming true. As long as there are men who believe that they can "buy" women, there will be women for them to buy. And, vice versa. That is NOT because women are inherently evil slugs. I have no admiration or respect for either party to such arrangements, but fortunately I have a whole world of friends, family members and acquaintances who don't go there, and who are experiencing good lives that include all kinds of people.
tinktronik Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 I also think some but not all of these guys have genuine scars from past hurts. You see it all the time with people of both genders who carry bitterness because they got screwed over before. Maybe there is not much blatant misandry here but go to some other boards and the hatred is pretty equal. It is really depressing to read. As for the OP I think that percentage of women who think a man is a walking wallet are about the same as men who want a woman to do nothing but me a maid and a servant at home. Maybe these people can mate with each other and leave everybody else to have equal relationships. I agree that some of these guys do have past hurts. But that's just the way the human experience works. It does not allow for unbalanced thinking and attacking of genders, in the same way you or my mothers formed their thinking on men, it does not make it right, justified or okay. It means they need some help. I wish those people would just leave the rest of us alone as well. I think we have more in common in our childhood experiences than most on here. I'm going to guess your right in my age group, with a mother that skewed her belief system around the times and ran with it... damaging her children.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 I agree that some of these guys do have past hurts. But that's just the way the human experience works. It does not allow for unbalanced thinking and attacking of genders, in the same way you or my mothers formed their thinking on men, it does not make it right, justified or okay. It means they need some help. I wish those people would just leave the rest of us alone as well. I think we have more in common in our childhood experiences than most on here. I'm going to guess your right in my age group, with a mother that skewed her belief system around the times and ran with it... damaging her children. I am 32 years old and from what I hear my mother was perfectly fine when my father married her. She was a feminist but about equality and not misandry. A little bit after I was born she wanted to go back to school with my father's full support and blessing. He never tried to hold her back or control or any of that. She ends up getting involved with a feminist group on campus and starts going to these meetings and it turned her into a monster. She would come home and just be raging at men and angry at my father for being born with a penis. Pretty soon she turned her rage at me and that is what made her the hateful person she is today. The abuse was so bad that I just left home at 16 and never went back. I would have rather lived on the streets than deal with that. I ended up marrying a psycho and when that marriage crumbled I turned very bitter towards women and even though I have a great woman in my life now it is a struggle letting go of this anger. My divorce brought forth all this suppressed rage. I am trying to let it go now because I don't want to turn into a male version of my mother.
tinktronik Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 I am 32 years old and from what I hear my mother was perfectly fine when my father married her. She was a feminist but about equality and not misandry. A little bit after I was born she wanted to go back to school with my father's full support and blessing. He never tried to hold her back or control or any of that. She ends up getting involved with a feminist group on campus and starts going to these meetings and it turned her into a monster. She would come home and just be raging at men and angry at my father for being born with a penis. Pretty soon she turned her rage at me and that is what made her the hateful person she is today. The abuse was so bad that I just left home at 16 and never went back. I would have rather lived on the streets than deal with that. I ended up marrying a psycho and when that marriage crumbled I turned very bitter towards women and even though I have a great woman in my life now it is a struggle letting go of this anger. My divorce brought forth all this suppressed rage. I am trying to let it go now because I don't want to turn into a male version of my mother. I'm 31. Your story is a fill in the blank for me. Violent man hating mother. Left home at 14, instead of 16. Married the violent psycho. ect. Life finally on track but it takes a while to work out the childhood issues. Keep working, I think I get further on the process of letting go of any preconceived notions every year Wog, I have no female friends really and tend to deep down find women threatening or scary, but it's getting better. You're getting so far in the last few years, keep working at it and soar.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 I'm 31. Your story is a fill in the blank for me. Violent man hating mother. Left home at 14, instead of 16. Married the violent psycho. ect. Life finally on track but it takes a while to work out the childhood issues. Keep working, I think I get further on the process of letting go of any preconceived notions every year Wog, I have no female friends really and tend to deep down find women threatening or scary, but it's getting better. You're getting so far in the last few years, keep working at it and soar. What's helped is realizing that not all women are a bunch of manhating demons. After my divorce I was told that I deserved to be cheated on because men did it for so many years so now it is our turn to put up with it. I was told that men cheating is an example of patriarchy while women cheating is a a rebellion against the patriarchy so it is not the same thing and I should not punish my wife for being free. I can go and on. Despite the issues with my mother my whole life I have done nothing but treat women with respect and I think after my divorce I snapped and had enough. I said the hell with it and decided to switch gears. I figured if I was going to be scum because I was born with a penis then I might as well earn that title. It's why I get very defensive whenever I feel people are trying to shove me back into the doormat position that got me nowhere before.
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Author musemaj11 Posted April 1, 2011 Author Posted April 1, 2011 Also... while SOME women endlessly compete with one another for the same damn guy... (entire OW forum)... there will also be a large group of women who won't mind dating men with less money. - So long as those guys can still pay for dates! Maybe its good for the earth that more and more people are dying alone. Less people to destroy the environment. Seriously though... my sister works 2.5 jobs... like 70 hours a week on average. I lovingly call her live-in BF "spare change"... because he strongly reminds me of the guys that ask me for change on the street. He hasn't held a job in... 10 years. She loves him. I tolerate him because he is kind to her. Her last BF came very close to death at my hands. I wouldnt want my sister to be with a man who is happy not having a job at all. Hell, I dont even want a woman who has no job either. He must have a job even if its a minimum wage job. It speaks a lot about someone character if he/she doesnt see anything wrong in doing nothing while his/her partner breaks a bone working to support the couple. I come on here for enjoyment and maybe to teach and learn something here and there. Not to listen to a deluge of insults against my whole gender. You dont have to participate in this thread ...
J200 Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) I dislike rich men; they are more likely to cheat. Any man with options is more likely to cheat no matter how good their character is. I prefer someone poorer than me (I don't mind supporting him) because I feel that way he will be less likely to cheat. A man who makes an average income is ok; I make more than average so I can support us both. Remember, most men are only as faithful as their options. Guys with money have a LOT of options. I would rather die alone than get played by a rich man. So I always end up going for guys who are poor'ish. My ex used to make $8 an hour at like 26 years old and I was ok with that. He never paid for date, we never really dated like at restaurants or whatever. We just ended up together without the dating thing. He lived with me for 2.5 years and paid rent once... (and it was like 1/4rth of the rent) but I was ok with that. The funny thing is that he still ended up sort of cheating (we were broken up for like 5 days) but it was with a prostitute and he never told me about it afterwards. I found out because i searched for his name in the court website online. He was arrested for it. I still think my chances are better with a poorer guy than with a rich one. Edited April 1, 2011 by J200
DreamerGirl27 Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 A man can have as much money in his pocket as he wants, but if he's unattractive to me, I'll kick him to the curb before he even makes it onto the side walk. I like actual men. I'm attracted to actual men. Very few men...but when I am attracted, holy hell, am I attracted. I would never date a guy because of his money. I am so not a gold digger it's not even funny. Besides...I'm already set. I have money. I'm not rich, but I have money... and if I didn't, I would never rely on a man to support me. It'd be equal, if I were in a relationship or living with a guy, whatever I bring to the table and he brings etc. and I would even go the old fashioned route and let a guy take care of me, especially if I ever got pregnant and had to take some time off work to take care of a baby... but I wouldn't care if I had to live poorly because he didn't have a good enough job. As long as I love him, that's all that matters to me. I would never EVER EVER marry or date or be interested in a guy for his money. Money means nothing to me. It's just paper.
Ross PK Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 There's so many times where I see couples on chat shows, where the guy doesn't work. Sometimes even the woman supports him. There's so many guys in the UK, who are on benefits and who are in relationships/married.
SummersEve Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 There's so many times where I see couples on chat shows, where the guy doesn't work. Sometimes even the woman supports him. There's so many guys in the UK, who are on benefits and who are in relationships/married. I feel like there is someone for everyone. Some people can't work or are out of work sometimes, it doesn't mean they can't have a partner. That's what I think anyway.
Disillusioned Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 There is some sense to this. There's hardly a shortage of women who want rich guys to buy them stuff, although in this rotten economy, finding one has become almost unrealistic because they're looking out for themselves. But what does the woman do when Mr. Moneybags is away at work, making money? There are back-door men who satisfy some of these women. I knew one 20 years ago. He was working paycheck to paycheck at a low-paying day job, and he was always playing hooky from that so he could visit his female clients while their husbands weren't home. He was kind of a paranoid guy... he didn't want other men to know where he lived unless he knew they didn't have gfs/wives. Maybe his women paid him or gave him stuff, because he had a pretty impressive stereo system in his apartment... hard to understant how he could afford it by working a crummy job.
Untouchable_Fire Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 It's why I get very defensive whenever I feel people are trying to shove me back into the doormat position that got me nowhere before. Being a doormat feels like having someone slowly strangle you to death. I feel like most boys are pushed and cajoled into being doormats in relationships until they get older and learn different. The ones with super strong self esteem are kind of immune... but for everyone else our culture bullies young boys.
Woggle Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Being a doormat feels like having someone slowly strangle you to death. I feel like most boys are pushed and cajoled into being doormats in relationships until they get older and learn different. The ones with super strong self esteem are kind of immune... but for everyone else our culture bullies young boys. I sort of agree but the problem is that I went the other direction and didn't realize that I can be a loving and kind man who does not hate women but still refuse to be a doormat. I wear a kick me sign for nobody male or female. I worked to get where I am at and nobody is going to drag me back down. That being said I do not want to be like my mother who has come to see any act of love or kindness or even basic respect for a man to be the act of a doormat.
donnamaybe Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 I dislike rich men; they are more likely to cheat. Any man with options is more likely to cheat no matter how good their character is. I prefer someone poorer than me (I don't mind supporting him) because I feel that way he will be less likely to cheat. A man who makes an average income is ok; I make more than average so I can support us both. Remember, most men are only as faithful as their options. Guys with money have a LOT of options. I would rather die alone than get played by a rich man. So I always end up going for guys who are poor'ish. My ex used to make $8 an hour at like 26 years old and I was ok with that. He never paid for date, we never really dated like at restaurants or whatever. We just ended up together without the dating thing. He lived with me for 2.5 years and paid rent once... (and it was like 1/4rth of the rent) but I was ok with that. The funny thing is that he still ended up sort of cheating (we were broken up for like 5 days) but it was with a prostitute and he never told me about it afterwards. I found out because i searched for his name in the court website online. He was arrested for it. I still think my chances are better with a poorer guy than with a rich one. But... wasn't the guy above a "poorer guy?" He cheated on you. He didn't pay for a damn thing, but he could sure come up with the money for a prostitute. Not that a rich guy is guaranteed to be any better. It depends on the person.
Woggle Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Any man in a relationship has the option to cheat because there are always women looking to score with a taken man. It is all about his character.
J200 Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 But... wasn't the guy above a "poorer guy?" He cheated on you. He didn't pay for a damn thing, but he could sure come up with the money for a prostitute. Not that a rich guy is guaranteed to be any better. It depends on the person. I am pretty sure it was with my money. Before he left he took 500 out of my account. We actually got back together after that. At the time I was making a lot of money so 500 bucks was no big deal. he knew my pin number. I still think chances are better with a poor guy despite my experience. It would have been worse if he was rich. He would have cheated with more women if he were rich. People like to talk about character but fact is that most people in the world, both males and females alike do not have good character so that's why its better to pick a poor guy. If I picked a rich guy he would have cheated with 500 prostitutes instrad of one.
donnamaybe Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 I am pretty sure it was with my money. Before he left he took 500 out of my account. We actually got back together after that. At the time I was making a lot of money so 500 bucks was no big deal. he knew my pin number. I still think chances are better with a poor guy despite my experience. It would have been worse if he was rich. He would have cheated with more women if he were rich. People like to talk about character but fact is that most people in the world, both males and females alike do not have good character so that's why its better to pick a poor guy. If I picked a rich guy he would have cheated with 500 prostitutes instrad of one.I think the bolded beliefs are why you allow someone to do those things to you - and you take him back. There really are people with integrity out in this world. If you determine at the get go that there aren't, you'll set yourself up for putting up with all manner of BS. Please don't put up with that crapola. I seriously doubt you deserve it. In fact, I'm betting you deserve MUCH better.
Mr.Cairo Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 But... wasn't the guy above a "poorer guy?" He cheated on you. He didn't pay for a damn thing, but he could sure come up with the money for a prostitute. Not that a rich guy is guaranteed to be any better. It depends on the person. Prostitutes have sexual desires. The prostitute could have found the guy attractive enough to have sex with him for free. Who knows.
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