Mr.Cairo Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) I also know many women who DO work a 40 hour week with a stay at home "man" who doesn't do a damn thing but play Call of Duty on the internet all day. And those guys also keep on getting fatter and then complain the lack of attraction their women have for them. It's really sad how, college students are spending more time playing video games rather than giving women a good time, but hey, what can we expect from a gender(male) which had everything handed to it? You are so right. I just remembered a woman I went to high school with. She went to college to study medicine, married a guy who read palms for a living(seriously), and is now stuck at providing for a useless bum who spends his time playing counter-strike. So many women - if not most - women are repressed, but no one cares about it. Disgusting. Edited March 30, 2011 by Mr.Cairo
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Your marriage ending over money doesn't mean most divorces are caused by money. Statistically, your divorce was probably caused by getting married at 20 years old. The OP's statements were rude and left out the tiny detail that it's not "women" who want "men's" rightful money so they can "go buy shoes." It is because most of the way things are done is for the couple's CHILDREN, not because the woman wants to be dependent etc. It's a shame you fail to see all the insult in that. It's really not intelligent enough to even debate. OP stated clearly in the opening quote this is about 38% of the female population. You gals put the "all women" in later not OP. Unless I missed something of course. I do agree that on average women tend to be LESS selfish in their spending. As far as your statement that "it is wrong to USE somebody and dump them when somebody comes along," who said anything about "using?" Dating is just dating. You are trying each other out, you are not married. If at any time you decide to leave, for any reason, then that is just fine. There could be other circumstances, like say if your regularly opened your mouth and led the other person to believe that you were marching down the path to the altar when you had no intentions of it, but that was nowhere included in my original post. "Used" is presumptious, it implies that marriage is owed just due to dating. I am picking up bitterness on this thread that isn't in my life and that I don't want, so I guess I'll leave it now. No... Dating isn't just dating. People have emotions and feelings. It isn't just a test drive. Time, effort, money, emotions... all these things come into play. People date to find potential life mates.... What your doing is using that against them, by not announcing your real intentions or feelings. It's dishonest and plain wrong! Personally, I'm shocked only one person called you out on that. It makes me wonder how many people believe just like you do?
betterdeal Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I would say sure... as long as it works. Matriarchal societies don't work... they fail horribly. You said they didn't exist. From pre-Hellenic Greece to the Mosou tribe of China today, there are many documented, stable matriarchal societies. Just like patriarchal and communal societies, they come and go, are subsumed, change, dwindle, grow. Now you claim they fail horribly... The ability of a community whose ancestors were treated as beasts of burden to maintain biomass, numbers, and increase influence in a competitive environment where the framework is built for another culture doesn't say "failure" to me, whereas the Taliban's model of patriarchal society hasn't achieved anything that can be measured as success, despite support and funding from many other agencies.
SummersEve Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) OP stated clearly in the opening quote this is about 38% of the female population. You gals put the "all women" in later not OP. Unless I missed something of course. I do agree that on average women tend to be LESS selfish in their spending. No... Dating isn't just dating. People have emotions and feelings. It isn't just a test drive. Time, effort, money, emotions... all these things come into play. People date to find potential life mates.... What your doing is using that against them, by not announcing your real intentions or feelings. It's dishonest and plain wrong! Personally, I'm shocked only one person called you out on that. It makes me wonder how many people believe just like you do? Please read before you post. I'm not going to repeat myself a third time. You need to listen. Edited March 30, 2011 by SummersEve
Jynxx Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 . Sweden is a matriarchy and it works perfectly. Almost everyone can be considered rich by European standards, there's almost no rape, and women are respected. WHAT? Not sure if you are serious here, but at least get your fact straight if you want to troll http://www.thelocal.se/19102/20090427/ Sweden has the highest incidence of reported rapes in Europe - twice as many as "runner up" the UK, a new study shows.
NXS Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Stay at home dads? what for? Women can and have demonstrated that they can be single mothers, raising a child to optimum standards without having any male in the house or even dating. Women are more than capable of providing for their children, emotionally, financially, and in education. Maybe if 100% of women were given child-custody, there wouldn't be so many dead-beats running because they would be raised to be proper men, raised to be so, by women. Wow, what a completely deluded post. Women have not shown that they can raise children to optimum standards, go and look up the percentage of prisoners who come from single parents (women). After boys reach early teens they have no respect for their mothers and walk all over them. Women are incapable of raising boys on their own, they lack the discipline and boundaries set by fathers. I've seen this time and time again, women raising boys and being walked all over because they're not capable of giving them what they need. I can now recognise men who've grown up by single mothers, they have a desperate neediness for a father figure. Men make far better parents, far more rational and educationally stimulating. They also set boundaries better, are more protective and don't get caught up in emotionalpsychological abuse or manipulation.
NXS Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I also know many women who DO work a 40 hour week with a stay at home "man" who doesn't do a damn thing but play Call of Duty on the internet all day. Yeah, I'm sure you do.
NXS Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 It has more to do with African women being repressed by black men. The men who are given power over women eventually take down their own culture. Sweden is a matriarchy and it works perfectly. Almost everyone can be considered rich by European standards, there's almost no rape, and women are respected. The sooner the every Country's government is replaced by a female ruling body(100%) the faster we can create an utopia on planet Earth. Wars will end, rapes will end, suffering, poverty and disease will end. Lol, Sweden is a totally sexist society where everyone is taxed to pay for all these pet feminist projects. That's State sponsored theft. Julian Assange described it as "the Saudi Arabia of feminism". Men are completely emancipated and have no rights. When Tiger Woods Swedish wife assualted him with a golf club the Swedish feminists cheered her on! Can you believe that? They cheered on physical assault and said she should've swung harder. Yeah, that's what your feminist 'utopia' looks like. They've also introduced laws making it illegal to pay for sex but not illegal to sell sex. Yep, that's real equality there. Can you imagine laws making it illegal to buy drugs but not sell them? If you think that's utopia then I'd suggest you go and live there. Personally I think it's a misandric hellhole. They also introduced quotas for college places but when women started overtaking men all of a sudden the quotas were dropped. Why? because feminists don't want equality, they want privileges.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Please read before you post. I'm not going to repeat myself a third time. You need to listen. I read your post just fine. You believe that I or anybody else who is looking for something serious must go out of our way to dig the long term relationship intentions out of our dates. It's equivalent of telling people they should carry rapid STD kits to test their potential partners beforehand. If you can't be open and honest about what you want and what your looking for... maybe your doing something wrong.
Mrlonelyone Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Uhh I think you mean emasculated. NXS I don't agree with talk of "traditional" gender roles since I don't fit the two traditional European gender roles myself. They are no more or less natural than the three gender roles of East India, SE Asia, Oceania, and most American Indian cultures. That said I do agree with the complaint that if a woman wants to have equality that means completely eliminating gender roles. There would be no special treatment for men or women either way. So women who want to be liberated and make six figures need to realize that not allot of men will make that kind of money. Men who make that kind of money often demand that their SO's be young and fit and 9's or 10's. Women who make that kind of money could also demand that kind of standard and get it too. However one cannot demand "equality" then turn around and also ask for special treatment it does not work that way. (As long as that "equality" is actual. Affirmative action laws and such are only good in so far as they promote proportional representation and not an unfair advantage.)
jane100 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 MuseMaj always starts these flamer posts. He hates women, is obsessed that they're after money and so on. He adds nothing to LS and posts these kinds of posts ad infinitum. Ignore, what we call a twerp in England, probably an ***hole in the States.
Mr.Cairo Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Wow, what a completely deluded post. Women have not shown that they can raise children to optimum standards, go and look up the percentage of prisoners who come from single parents (women). After boys reach early teens they have no respect for their mothers and walk all over them. Women are incapable of raising boys on their own, they lack the discipline and boundaries set by fathers. I've seen this time and time again, women raising boys and being walked all over because they're not capable of giving them what they need. I can now recognise men who've grown up by single mothers, they have a desperate neediness for a father figure. Men make far better parents, far more rational and educationally stimulating. They also set boundaries better, are more protective and don't get caught up in emotionalpsychological abuse or manipulation. Such incredible and heart-breaking bitterness. You really do think that women are inferior to men, don't you? That women can't make good men out of their sons, because they need an 'authority' figure in the kid's life, a man, to instill fear in the boy's heart so that he grows up to respect the law because if he doesn't, he's going to go to jail. He doesn't do it out of the kindness of his heart - he's just afraid of being beaten up by thuggish versions of his father. This is the recognition you give to the single women who were either strong and independent enough, to have a child without having to be attached to a man, and the distaste you have for the women who were dumped when the kitchen got too hot for these deadbeats. Oh yeah? explain to me how the majority of men aren't astronauts or doctors if a father figure in the house makes for a more 'stimulating intellectual life' and how ' the father is the sole responsible for the kid's achievements in the future'. Give me a break. Why do you think eggs are far more valuable than sperm?
Mr.Cairo Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 MuseMaj always starts these flamer posts. He hates women, is obsessed that they're after money and so on. He adds nothing to LS and posts these kinds of posts ad infinitum. Ignore, what we call a twerp in England, probably an ***hole in the States. He, and all the others who spend so much time on the forum crying that all 'women are shallow' and how, 'only 20% of the males ever get female attention'.
Titania22 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Yeah! X-ray vision would be ace! All those nuddy ladies! You know it betterdeal, or Invisiblility, you could hang out in the girls showers watching the girls get all sudsy. "Superpowers" - takes stalking to a whole new level.
Shocking Pink Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 MuseMaj always starts these flamer posts. He hates women, is obsessed that they're after money and so on. He adds nothing to LS and posts these kinds of posts ad infinitum. Ignore, what we call a twerp in England, probably an ***hole in the States. I thought you'd call him a wanker :laugh:
Mr.Cairo Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Oh look, another woman hating thread that has devolved into name calling and finger pointing and blaming women for everything wrong in the world. I don't care how many women won't go out with you I don't care how many women stole money and property from you I don't care how imasculated you feel that I, a single mother, can hold down a full time job, maintain a home and two cars, and raise three boys without needing a thing from you. None of that's my problem. Its yours The man And you can do that much better than most guys out there can. Never let anyone tell you otherwise. How crafty men are at creating an illusion, the false belief that women need commitment from men.
Woggle Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Just look at poor urban communities in our own country to see the wonders of fatherlessness. Raising boys to be men with nobody teaching them how to be a man is a really good idea. I love how nobody calls out Mr Cairo for blatant male bashing even if he is a male but men say anything other than all women are perfect and we are misogynists. I can tell you right now that I would have been better off without my mother around who did nothing except give birth.I would have been better off with my father. I can also talk about my close friend who is raising his daughter alone because her mother would rather be with a man who was in prison for raping a 16 year old girl. We can also talk about Susan Smith who murdered her kids even though their father offered to take full custody of them We can also talk about the recent case of a mother who shot her kids to death We can also talk about nearly everybody on that Teen Mom show who seem more concerned with partying and fame than actually parenting their children I can go on and on but let's continue to act like all women are angels and all men are horrible deadbeats. I am not saying there are not plenty of good women who do their best to raise great kids but having grown seeing an example of a woman who was nothing more than an incubator I am really sick and tired of how society acts like it is women=angels and men=horrible devils.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 MuseMaj always starts these flamer posts. He hates women, is obsessed that they're after money and so on. He adds nothing to LS and posts these kinds of posts ad infinitum. Ignore, what we call a twerp in England, probably an ***hole in the States. I think he just feels frustrated and powerless. Times are tough and money is tight for men and women both. Even you make threads about how irritating it is when men don't pay for you. That kind of stuff probably makes him feel bad. My cousin lost his job in February... his GF dumped him 2 weeks later. He can't separate the idea that his drop in income is directly related to his getting dumped. It is a simple Pavlovian response... you can't blame anyone for it. Oh look, another woman hating thread that has devolved into name calling and finger pointing and blaming women for everything wrong in the world. I don't care how many women won't go out with you I don't care how many women stole money and property from you I don't care how imasculated you feel that I, a single mother, can hold down a full time job, maintain a home and two cars, and raise three boys without needing a thing from you. None of that's my problem. Its yours The man Actually those are some things that make you great. I really don't think anyone hates you or even hates that about you. I admire the fact that you tend to remain upbeat even when things smash down on you.
tinktronik Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 They are very similar though I have yet to meet anybody as hateful as her. I really think she would kill a man if she could get away with it and I am not exaggerating. Wog, I think my mom and your mom could be tea time buddies. Some people are just really dangerously screwed up in their thinking.
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I also find both misogyny and misandry abhorrent and massively flawed. As a man, I prefer to challenge misogynists, in much the same way I prefer to challenge white supremacists - because they don't represent me, and my objection as one of the group they represent feels more effective. I get awkward challenging women who hate me for being born, and I think other women challenging them is more effective. Just my opinion. Oh, betterdeal, how my heartbeat quickens and endorphins flow when I read, at long last, a post from a man on LoveShack who is in possession of facts, expresses clear, educated thought articulately, does not lash out at women in a frenzy of self-pity, self-righteousness, impotence and anger, and who, apparently, reads the posts contributed by women here on these boards and deals with them respectfully. There are a couple of other fellows here who do the same. I know I am not the only woman who appreciates it greatly. The butt-hurt hater crew might want to take a lesson from you. I'm sure that you and the others I recognize have a great chance for a happy and fulfilling relationship with a woman, not to mention good friendships, healthy working relations, etc. with us. Very sad; seems that the majority, or at least the most vociferous males here on LS have serious problems with women. Their chances are pretty slim to have any happiness with us in this life. Their loss.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Inner city blight goes back to more than just fatherless children. Lack of opprotunity, ingrained entitlement, poor education, no infrastructure all play a role. The show Teen Mom is a reality program, the producers purposely pick out young women who will be entertaining to watch. There are single and young parents who stay in school, who do their best to provide stable loving homes and who do not seek out cameras to follow them around. The woman in Florida was suffering from mental illness and possibly delusions or even paranoia, the tragedy there is that no one around her noticed that she was suffering in time to save her children. Imagine being married and still not having anyone close enough to notice that you were slowly going mad. There are bad women and bad men who abandon their families for reasons and to pursue people that cannot possibly be understood. These people are sad and broken and to be honest, isn't it possible that its a good thing they aren't the primary care-takers of these kids? There are parents who are better off not being in their children's lives but that can be either men or women. I am just sick and tired of being bashed as if they don't even have any business being parents and involved in their children's lives. I have been trying really hard not to be hateful towards women but when I see my gender getting trashed like this as if we are all deadbeat dads who are just useless to a family and nobody says anything it pisses me off. I know many good women exist but if I have to self hating like Mr Cairo in order to be considered acceptable to most women the hell with that. While some women seem to take delight in telling the word that they are raising kids without as if it were the ultimate middle finger to the patriarchy my friend would love it if his daughter's mother would get her act together and actually be a good role model to her child. He doesn't walk around telling the world how useless women are to her upbringing. If you bring up people telling them their gender is useless do you really think that is good for them.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 I also find both misogyny and misandry abhorrent and massively flawed. As a man, I prefer to challenge misogynists, in much the same way I prefer to challenge white supremacists - because they don't represent me, and my objection as one of the group they represent feels more effective. I get awkward challenging women who hate me for being born, and I think other women challenging them is more effective. Just my opinion. The thing is that they are rarely challenged by other women. If more women would challenge it I would gladly challenge misogyny and promote peace for everybody. That is what I would like but respect is a two way to street and when I see it isn't going both ways I get very resentful.
Woggle Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Find me an example of mysandry from this thread that is less than five days old. How about the blatant father bashing that is actually coming from a man?
Mr.Cairo Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 How about the blatant father bashing that is actually coming from a man? What father bashing stuff you're talking about? Are you telling me that Obama isn't right about the deadbeats around the US(and in every other Country)?
Woggle Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 What father bashing stuff you're talking about? Are you telling me that Obama isn't right about the deadbeats around the US(and in every other Country)? I can't stand deadbeats of either gender but it is very one sided the way things are portrayed.
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