Pyro Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 IN GENERAL, wouldn't you say that a police officer, firefighter/EMT, and teacher (just to name a few) make enough to be considered middle class? Going by the average rates where I live that is the case. If the thread title were true would that mean that no men in the careers listed above would be married?
dreamingoftigers Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 IN GENERAL, wouldn't you say that a police officer, firefighter/EMT, and teacher (just to name a few) make enough to be considered middle class? Going by the average rates where I live that is the case. If the thread title were true would that mean that no men in the careers listed above would be married? Not to mention the guys in the cardboard boxes
dreamingoftigers Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Plus Tiger Woods isn't exactly "Most Eligible Bachelor" right now.
Titania22 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 To answer the original question "What do women want? To marry a rich man" I can only speak for myself. Ideally I want to have superpowers. I think that sounds heaps more exciting than any relationship or marriage.
Jynxx Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 If this were true, a highschool ubergeek (think Mark Zuckerberg) would be the popular guy and a highschool captain of the footballteam wouldn't get laid, as one has way higher potential of making sick money in the future than the other. So I call bs.
Woggle Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Plus Tiger Woods isn't exactly "Most Eligible Bachelor" right now. This is true but I bet he would have no problem whatsoever finding another wife if he wanted to.
Citizen Erased Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) I want to marry someone that makes me happy. Money doesn't make me happy, can't speak for the general "women" that gets thrown around a lot on these threads. Keep telling yourselves all women are horrible, so you have an excuse to not approach them and risk being rejected. Good luck with that turning out for you. Edited March 30, 2011 by Citizen Erased
betterdeal Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 So, if women want a rich guy and you want a woman, go and make some money.
Ross PK Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 oh sorry, missed this. Not tonight but will go hunting around tomorrow, tired and want to go to bed. Lol, at first when I read this I thought you said 'will go hunting tomorrow'.
Ross PK Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 All men want a beautiful woman but not all of them are rich enough to have one. You get my point. She looks fine.
betterdeal Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 To answer the original question "What do women want? To marry a rich man" I can only speak for myself. Ideally I want to have superpowers. I think that sounds heaps more exciting than any relationship or marriage. Yeah! X-ray vision would be ace! All those nuddy ladies!
Els Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 dot, don't even bother with these guys. They have no interest in reality. If you've noticed, each one of these guys has their own OCD item. With the OP, it's money. With another, it's American women = sluts and whores. With another, it's all women are superficial. It's neverending obsession that guarantees they won't be able to date. Another zero sum game. Don't forget the one going on about all women hating sex and never initiating it.
sally4sara Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Apparently because the OP's perpetually unemployed father was crappy to everyone in the family, a law should have been made so that the job his mother might have been supporting the family with would be taken and given to her husband. No OP, your dad was just an ass and no government can legislate that away. Good job at missing the largest lesson of your formative years. I'm betting that tendency has only continued for you. Thanks for this day's dose of stupidity.
waynebrady Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Don't forget the one going on about all women hating sex and never initiating it. But the difference between me and those other guys is that I am only trying to be a respectful gentleman and don't mean any harm. Hey I could have been alot worse. Me Thinking that women do not like sex or atleast way less than men do, won't harm my chances of having a relationship with a woman.
Mrlonelyone Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) Yall have a good debate going here. Dreaming of tigers. You have a very good point regarding evo psych. We humans didn't evolve in isolation. We lived in social groups. So traits that might not seem adaptive for a particular individual may have benefited the group as a whole. So a man/woman who has a socially valued skill, singing/calling in imitation of an animal, or tool making, or fire making, or was thought to be more spiritually aware or whatever.... would be a more valuable mate. That said, an in relation to the topic.... These days more often than not such things relate to money in the pocket. Either in terms of cold hard cash (like say a stock broker), or job security and benefits (like a govt. worker or tenured professor). Yes as you said in another thread you got married when you weighed XXX lbs.... and you married a man who was homeless when you makde 60,000 a year etc. Statistically your case is very rare and therefore does not invalidate the general theory. _______________________________________________ On average men seek women with high mating potential low waist to hip ratio fully developed secondary sexual characteristics.... and women seek men with high earning potential. As I have cited from the Journal of Evolutionary Psychology. http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP06134146.pdf Attractive Women Want it All: Good Genes, Economic Investment, Parenting Proclivities, and Emotional Commitment 1 David M. Buss, Department of Psychology, University of Texas, Austin, TX, USA Abstract: The current research tests the hypothesis that women have an evolved mate value calibration adaptation that functions to raise or lower their standards in a long-term mate according to their own mate value. A woman’s physical attractiveness is a cardinal component of women’s mate value. We correlated observer-assessed physical attractiveness (face, body, and overall) with expressed preferences for four clusters of mate characteristics (N = 214): (1) hypothesized good-gene indicators (e.g., masculinity, sexiness); (2) hypothesized good investment indicators (e.g., potential income); (3) good parenting indicators (e.g., desire for home and children), and (4) good partner indicators (e.g., being a loving partner). Results supported the hypothesis that high mate value women, as indexed by observer-judged physical attractiveness, expressed elevated standards for all four clusters of mate characteristics. Discussion focuses on potential design features of the hypothesized mate-value calibration adaptation, and suggests an important modification of the trade-off model of women’s mating. A minority of women— notably those low in mate value who are able to escape male mate guarding and the manifold costs of an exposed infidelity—will pursue a mixed mating strategy, obtaining investment from one man and good genes from an extra-pair copulation partner (as the trade-off model predicts). Since the vast majority of women secure genes and direct benefits from the same man, however, most women will attempt to secure the best combination of all desired qualities from the same man. That's my $0.02 Edited March 30, 2011 by Mrlonelyone To make clear I'm not commenting on anyones "mate value or anything" Just citing a journal article.
donnamaybe Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Give a woman a lot of money and she will still want someone who has even more..So your thread title asks a question, but then in your first post you answer it in a way that denigrates all women. I don't think a lack of money is the problem.
Ruby Slippers Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I would prefer that my man make about the same amount of money or more than I do, and it's not because I can't support myself. I know of some couples in which the woman out-earns the man, in some cases by a lot, and those relationships have a dynamic that I just do not want. Because the woman has more earning POWER, the man tends to be more placating and butt kissing, and she "wears the pants". I have seen this over and over again. I tend to attract the adoring types, anyway, and I don't need more fuel for that fire.
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 My serenade for some very special fellows here on LoveShack: Enjoy!
Leeway Harris Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 In New York for example there are 5 single women to every single man. Whoa. There's no way this could possibly be true. Can it? I would LOVE to see a cite for this.
Mrlonelyone Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Very mature.. You know you ladies are right women never consider a mans finances when making dating decisions. All the publications in scientific evo. Psych. Journals...all the antrhopology studies done ... prove nothing. All that peer reviwed evidence can be discarded. In favor of any man with a gripe being a looser. :/ Right.
SummersEve Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I don't mind talking about the women and rich men (or men and young beautiful women thing) in neutral terms, but when it seems like the point of these posts is "aren't women trash," well then it gets old. I don't like all that either way, personal bitter rant, ugh. Just my opinion.
betterdeal Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 It's a bit like the IQ and Wealth of Nations crap. First, causation and correlation are not established, so the implied conclusions are questionable to start with. A man with average or higher than average income is more likely to be in good health. Second, these averages mean nothing to the individual. On average we all have less than two hands, yet I keep buying pairs of gloves. Women tend to prefer healthy, interesting men. And healthy, interesting men tend to earn good money. But then Kate Moss keeps going back to her smackhead boyfriend and she earns a helluver lot more than him, and is considered pretty, so what's with that?
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I don't mind talking about the women and rich men (or men and young beautiful women thing) in neutral terms, but when it seems like the point of these posts is "aren't women trash," well then it gets old. I don't like all that either way, personal bitter rant, ugh. Just my opinion. You are reading things into it that simply don't exist. Permit me to summarize. A good chunk of the female population prefers to marry UP... lets say 44%. The OP stated he feels this sets the bar too high for many guys and that we should look into doing something to fix this. Is it reality? Kind of... kind of not. You ask 100 single women if they are willing to go on a date with a millionaire, your going to get 60-70% yes answers. Once they date the guy and find out he is a leering dweeb... they will all walk away. Get it? Oh... and for the record it's NOT COOL to use people until you find someone better.
Fondue Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Question that isn't really particular to the overall discussion of this thread: What is considered rich these days? Honest question. Take in account living expenses differ depending on the area you live in.
aerogurl87 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 This is funny cause I'm sure my ex would agree that that is what most women want, myself included. I don't think women want to marry someone rich, but they do want someone who has a good head on his shoulders and can provide for himself and possibly a family in the future. I know for me, I want to be a stay at home mom one day, so it was important for me to find someone who 1) wanted the same thing and 2) had a job that would make such a lifestyle possible at least for the first 4 to 5 years of my future children's lives.
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