Mr.Cairo Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 This is how men end up in bad relationships. There is so much more to a woman than simply physical beauty. Not when you know that the patriachy has women in such low self-esteem that, women are given massive beneficts in relationships, co-habitation, children, and marriage. The only way to make sure the patriachy falls and we are finally equal, all women and all men, is to remove ourselves from the dangers of relationships. Besides, most relationships end which proves that human beings weren't made to stay together. Some do stay together. That's fine. But it doesn't change the general rule.
Mr.Cairo Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 True, I'm guilty of judging women like how you've just explained. Working on it though. But back to the subject, I can't stop laughing. I mean, Personality is important, I agree. Intellect, yeah that to. But damn! We're talking about walking around in town and seeing people we think are attractive. On a stop and go meet and greet, who has time to analyze personality and intellect? These women are way too full of themselves. I could meet an attractive woman, and she seemed kind of bitchy. But **** son, I'm still going to get the digits and feel her out some more. Who knows what happened in her day where she's kind of bitchy. Like I said, I'm rollin' bro. These women are making the dating game way too serious at even a passing glance, and a quick hi and bye. Get the fug outta here. I'll take the simple woman who's actually rational about ****. People are afraid of being judged shallow or limited in their humanity. They believe that if they simply say that they saw this hot woman or hot man and wanted to have sex, it'd be too low of them. They have to add useless filters such as 'his/her personality has to be like this. She/him must have been born in New York City because I was born there and it'd help our compatiblity table. She/He has to have the same academical education for me to find him attractive enough.' And so on. Seriously. Last thing I think of when I see my ideal type of woman is how high she scored on an IQ test or how friendlly she is to the elderly. If my body reacts to her, she's attractive. That 'emotional attractivness' is just a security blanket to make sure other people don't think ill of the person who is attracted - and rightfully so - to the physical aspects of the man or the woman in question.
LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I completely disagree. Personality is important. It's what makes me want to go from having sex with her, to dating her. I don't want to date someone I'm not drawn to, personality-wise. Now having sex, on the other hand, I might, but if she's a bitch I'll quietly pass on "getting to know her", no matter how physically attractive she is.
Woggle Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Do you guys really want to deal with never ending drama, never being able to do anything right plus lying, cheating and outright disrespect just because a woman is nice to look at? If so then that is why you have problems.
mr.dream merchant Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Who said I was gonna date a bitch? I'm not even wondering about personality, etc. on a stop and go meet and greet. That's the point I'm trying to make. These women are on here, writing men off, base on what? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? Of conversation? Lmao, no wonder they're single.
Titania22 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 That is only because you don't find the answer to the meaning of life in the attractiveness of men. I find that oddly disappointing.
Mr.Cairo Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) Do you guys really want to deal with never ending drama, never being able to do anything right plus lying, cheating and outright disrespect just because a woman is nice to look at? If so then that is why you have problems. Nope. That's why I don't take part in relationships. Even when the relationship is mostly positive, there's going to be some instability in it, some issues to be worked at, concessions that must be made for the relationship to stay on the road. I ain't up for that. I'm interested in the pleasures of womanly company. I like to talk to them, I like to sleep with them, and I very much enjoy going home alone and waking up alone, and possibly never seeing that person again(might have a different thought pattern if the woman wants a FWB). Other than that, it was nice to meet Miss x and Miss Y, and I might even have feelings for them, but the love that I feel for myself is just too high and too strong for me to risk having any negativity or obligation in my life. Edited March 30, 2011 by Mr.Cairo
somedude81 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Sweet, that 20% might include me. Where do I send my application? Although, you should probably get the eye thing fixed. I'll hold off until then
Hanther Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 If we're talking about picking a random sample in my age group and just going off looks/body alone, I would honestly say about 2-3% maybe. I find most people to be pretty gross honestly, and even a little too much fat is somewhat repulsive (when it comes to sex - not when it comes to just friends). My SO is pretty picky too but I think he is a little more lenient than me.
LexiB Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Physically attractive- 30% or so. But I've got an odd "type". Emotionally attractive- 5%. Spiritually attractive- 1%. Intellectually attractive- 15%. God help the poor boy that meets every one of these attraction levels. I might accidentally break my toy by playing with it too rough. [[[[interesting visuals right now!]]]] :lmao:
Eve Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I agree. Aesthetic wise, at the most around 10%, and I'm not thinking in terms of the standard celebrity meatball either. The other 90% are somebody else's definition of attractive, and simply not my type. Those men that I feel chemistry towards and actually desire, around 1-2%. It's worked for me so far. We all have preferences that likely don't make sense to anyone but ourselves. I can relate to this. I rarely find myself physically attracted to men and so miss signals. This can happen because I focus on enjoying time with men who are just interesting for whatever reason. So that basically is the attraction, nothing more. Without any chemistry being there, I literally don't consider anything further. Also, there may be an attraction but this can just be a physical attraction. Like today I met someone via work and the chemistry is there. He made it clear that he is attracted to me but I am aware this is just a chemical reaction, nothing more. Nice to know every now and then that you still have it all working properly.. So, no, I won't be car sharing with him tomorrow as he suggested.. could you imagine! Take care, Eve x
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I think the average female answer on this thread is 10-15%. Seems oddly low. I would have thought there were more attractive guys than that.
somedude81 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Have you ever heard the therom that 20% of the men are having all the sex?
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Have you ever heard the therom that 20% of the men are having all the sex? It's not really true. Even in high school. I think I was probably in that top 20% and I always stuck to steady GF's. These women really don't describe WHAT they find attractive... just a base %. Some might like big noses, or chubby guys... ect. My point was that 10-15% is really narrowing your physical selection process. Whatever physical selection criteria she is using might perhaps be far too narrow.
mr.dream merchant Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I think the average female answer on this thread is 10-15%. Seems oddly low. I would have thought there were more attractive guys than that. Bro, I honestly wouldn't even be worried about what these women on this board say. Just get out there and live your life, you'll be surprised how far from fact the **** they're saying on this board really is. When I go out, I turn heads. When I talk to women, I'm charming. (Doesn't show here, because personally, I don't know these women so who gives a **** - except for Depplover and Smileface, they can have my babies :love:) When I approach a woman in public, in any kind of setting, I'm always very clever with my jokes, a little sarcastic, I do things to make them laugh. I'm not worried about coming off as an intelligent guy with personality, I just want them to enjoy the interaction they have with me enough to want more. Maybe I'm confident because I know from experience they already like what they see, so when that benefit of the physical attraction is there, it's definitely too easy to be a charmer. That's why I laugh at the women posting on here with their absurd requirements for attraction in a STOP AND GO, MEET AND GREET scenario. There's guys on here who really cannot get a girl for crap. And when they read **** like "He's gotta have PERSONALITY, THIS, THAT, THOSE, THE NEXT,...." it just makes them totally discouraged...they're already dealing with a ton of confidence issues as is. So my message to you guys is to just get out there and be yourself man, that's what really ****ing counts. **** worrying about if she'll like your personality, or if she'll think you're intelligent. Chances are, her personality and her level of intelligence isn't god send as well. Don't let all these questions and this ridiculous input shake you up, getting out there and meeting a woman is definitely a piece of cake. Especially if you're a generally attractive guy. They'll already want you to come over and talk to them. All you need is a little bit of charm, some acting skills so you can pretend you give a **** about what they're saying (let's face it, a woman's mouth runs a mile a minute), a nice smile, that's it. And if you don't agree with me then here, a bunny who actually gives a crap
somedude81 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 It's not really true. Even in high school. I think I was probably in that top 20% and I always stuck to steady GF's. And how does that not support what I said? I'm sure you could have slept around a lot if you wanted to. While the majority of guys graduated high school as virgins. So when women are giving a base percentage that they are attracted to, the correlation is too strong to ignore. My point was that 10-15% is really narrowing your physical selection process. Whatever physical selection criteria she is using might perhaps be far too narrow. I doubt they are consciously limiting what they are attracted to. They are just naturally attracted to a very small percentage of men. And since those men are liked by all women, the men get to do as they please.
Kelemort Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Maybe about a quarter of all of the guys in my age range - 18 to 35 - that I meet.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Bro, I honestly wouldn't even be worried about what these women on this board say. Just get out there and live your life, you'll be surprised how far from fact the **** they're saying on this board really is. When I go out, I turn heads. When I talk to women, I'm charming. (Doesn't show here, because personally, I don't know these women so who gives a **** - except for Depplover and Smileface, they can have my babies :love:) Trust me MDM, I'm with you. I think most of the women here are ridiculous, self absorbed hypocrites. Nothing they can say will ever shake me. In real life I am also very charming... though I don't think of myself as witty I can be very funny. I do very well with women. I'm good looking, spend lots of time at the gym, and have a boring job that pays well. The funny thing is though.... I feel that the top reason I do well with women is because of how well I get along with other men. Anyway... I was just going to point out that if these women open up their crazy narrow physical standards... they might be able to stop dating douchebags. They might jump on Somedude81 for being self limiting... just because he gives up and doesn't proactively go get dates. However, they narrow their dating prospects down to such a low percentage and weight first impressions so heavily that they constantly get stuck with @sshats and users. Instead they should stop and focus on be more intelligent.
Woggle Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I don't think anybody should lower their standards but if somebody constantly ends up with jerks then maybe some readjustment is in order. Maybe they should take a look at themselves and see what exactly they are contributing to it. The same goes for men as well. I can't have much sympathy for a guy who would date a woman who treats him like garbage just because she is hot. Is having some arm candy around really worth all that drama and heartbreak?
SteveC80 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) Im shocked that some people are surprised at womens shallowness and pickiness. Womens whole lives is VANITY,judging their looks other womens and other Mens, the idea that looks isnt that important to them is hillarious its the majority of their lives in what they discuss and judge people by Edited March 30, 2011 by SteveC80
somedude81 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Trust me MDM, I'm with you. I think most of the women here are ridiculous, self absorbed hypocrites. Nothing they can say will ever shake me. In real life I am also very charming... though I don't think of myself as witty I can be very funny. I do very well with women. I'm good looking, spend lots of time at the gym, and have a boring job that pays well. The funny thing is though.... I feel that the top reason I do well with women is because of how well I get along with other men. Anyway... I was just going to point out that if these women open up their crazy narrow physical standards... they might be able to stop dating douchebags. They might jump on Somedude81 for being self limiting... just because he gives up and doesn't proactively go get dates. However, they narrow their dating prospects down to such a low percentage and weight first impressions so heavily that they constantly get stuck with @sshats and users. Instead they should stop and focus on be more intelligent. How proactive should I be? I also only give up when a girl rejects me. Also, don't forget that your experience is very different from my own. So much so we might as well not even be living in the same world. I'm not good looking, short, average body, not charming at all and do absolutely horrible with women. I feel that the top reason I do well with women is because of how well I get along with other men.Uh no, it's because of everything you said about yourself. Your whole life you have been pre-approved by women. While I have been pre-declined. I have yet to find a way to override my negatives and get a woman to let me date her.
mr.dream merchant Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Im shocked that some people are surprised at womens shallowness and pickiness. Womens whole lives is VANITY,judging their looks other womens and other Mens, the idea that looks isnt that important to them is hillarious its the majority of their lives in what they discuss and judge people by Amen. Used to feed myself and believe that "looks aren't important to women" spiel when I was out of shape. Then I got in shape, very good shape. And I realized two things - a. I was lying to myself. b. Women are full of it. Women are just as shallow as, if not, more than men. Never have I ever had women with husbands, boyfriends, fiancees, openly make themselves available to me. Never have I had to tell a woman to pump her brakes. Never have I had sex with women 8+ years my senior. Never have I had to develop an eye for women who try to sneak in a feel during conversation. Never had I been groped, repeatedly, by women in general. Until I got in great shape. Couple that with a handsome face and a nice smile, it was just meant to be, my father passed on great genes. And I will do the same for my son (if I have one) in the future. The sooner you stop caring about what women want, and ask yourself what YOU want then take control of it the sooner you'll see more success with women. Women like to be around a successful guy, a guy who's achieved things. Be it physical health, wealth, etc. It's kind of messed up! But that's how women are. The 1st year of being totally fit, I punished women for it. Treated them like total garbage, just used them and got a new one really. Because I could remember a day when women wouldn't even look twice at me but now girls that I wanted to smash from back in 12th grade want to be my best friend, cook and bring me lunch at my job and ****. The reality of things made me laugh for a minute or two, make the face, then tell myself "Damn bro, women are grimey as hell." But not all of them! Just most. And the same thing can be applied to people in general.
Hanther Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Mr. Dream: Seriously? You are surprised that when you were out of shape, you got less attention than now when you are in shape? I'm baffled by that. It seems logical to me that fitter, healthier, more attractive people get more attention. In general, people tend to go for other people who are as attractive or about as attractive as they are. So this thread is kind of pointless really. There is someone out there for everyone. I think people who are unattractive/unfit tend to have a harder time because their matches (women who are also unattractive/unfit) are more shy and less likely to display attraction, just as they are less likely to pursue the opposite sex due to lack of confidence. But that is another topic I guess. Women, JUST LIKE MEN, like to have attractive partners. It is important to be physically attracted to your partner. I will be the first to admit that I am very picky. But women who prefer attractive men aren't limiting themselves to douchebags. There are plenty of nice, attractive men out there. I am engaged to a gorgeous man and although he is not perfect, he is not a douchebag player and I love him. Bottom line, all of the things you are saying about women can be said about men too. Everyone wants a partner that they are attracted to. This is not a BAD thing. This is how we are programmed biologically. Some people ARE shallow in that they only pursue attractive people (regardless of that person's character). Some of us, however, know that we deserve and can find people whose appearance AND character we are attracted to. /rant. lol
Eve Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Well said Hanther! All in all, women are probably (generally) more selective because we carry the babies. Take care, Eve x
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