Women, what percentage of guys would you say you find physically attractive?

[Mr.Cairo]

Yes, that must be why only 5% of all men on the planet are married, right?

 

 

As if being married validates a man's worth as a sexual partner, LOL!

 

Any man can get married. He just needs to have some cash, resources, or earning potential(education, parents with a family business etc).

 

Marriage is mostly a business deal. It has nothing to do with how attractive the man is to the woman he's married to, nor has anything to do with children(a man can have children outside of marriage/relationships) or with love.

 

Co-habitation qualifies as marriage. So if a man isn't married, has women coming onto him, having sex with him, or simply enjoying the attention that the man is giving to them: he's attractive.

 

A friend of mine is 5'7'', 110 pounds and is balding in his mid 20's, uses glasses and has a regular job(but notice how he has a job). His girlfriend was 6 feet tall, lean, beautiful, and with all the right curves. They moved in together. When she no longer needed his cash(got a better looking guy with money), his butt was out of the door.

 

Does that mean that an average woman couldn't have done the same? Given the chance, and if the woman is interested in something casual, 9 out of 10 times the woman is going to have sex with the tall/buffed/bad boy/whatever.

 

She isn't going to have sex with a man who has, earning potential or has all the positive characteristics qualities of a good husband.

 

I've seen all sorts of married guys. Short guys in their 20's married. Balding or already bald guys in their early 30's and married. Fat guys married. None of that is attractive truth be told, but they all shared one factor: they had financial security.

 

If the women they married was younger, say in her teens or early 20's, she'd be far more likely to be having fun with the guy who is physically attractive while the guy who is to marry her in the future, isn't getting any one night-stands or FWB because he doesn't fulfill the attractiveness requirements.

 

i notice that in women in their late teens and early 20's. The ones who are attracted to me(those who see me as sexually attractive, not looking at me as marriage material) don't ask about my employment, my level of education, or about how good I am with children, animals, and If I'm willing to 'commit' to them.

 

The women in their late 20's to late 30's, those who aren't attracted to me but interested in the financial security that I might provide for them(thus the questions about what do I do, where did I go to school, what I plan to do in the future etc) don't really care about the fact that I don't match their personal physical ideal etc.

 

But since I pretend to be without a job, with no money, and with little education, the vast majority of them move on to the next guy .

 

Marriage/co-habitation are nothing more than financial transactions and they can't attest to a man's capacity to attract a woman's interest on his physical appeal.

 

See how fast a divorced woman in her 20's to mid 40's can have another man interested in her, and see how slowly the typical average man in his 20's and 40's, divorced, can have another date now that his resources are depleted and being possible drained even more.

 

The same situation happens to women. Just because she's married, doesn't mean she's attractive. She could have money. I know of several guys marrying women they weren't attracted to, but the women had money and the men had the desire to spend it.

Edited March 30, 2011 by Mr.Cairo

[interfuse]

Come on. Don't be afraid.

 

I have no idea what you look like, but I'm curious now.

[Mr.Cairo]

Yeah, he did approach occasionally, but he acted so nervous that the women were turned off. I saw him do this and pointed out his mistake, but he insisted he was rejected due to being fat and ugly, not due to his behavior. Maybe your negativity comes across more than you realize?

 

 

Yeah, I agree it's hard for men because they have to do the approaching. From a female perspective I'd say I'm unlikely to give signals to a guy I don't know. But if he approached me and was friendly and flirty, then I'd get to know him a little and might like him, and might be receptive to the offer of a date. I think you need to get into the habit of making flirtatious conversation even if it goes nowhere, even if you're not attracted to the girl - it's fun, and maybe it will create enough attraction with some girls to get them interested in you.

 

 

If your self esteem hangs on whether someone else wants to date you, then that's a problem. Someone else should not get to dictate whether you're an attractive and worthwhile person. You're supposed to like yourself and be happy with your looks regardless of what others think. That's what you need to work on.

 

 

Men don't need to approach women. That's another myth, much in the same tone of the 'women past the age of 30 are dateless' fantasy. What Sum81 needs to do is to head to the gym, get buffed, save up for a height-enhancement surgery(while using platform shoes). He could also save some money to upgrade his clothes(if you dress casually etc) to something flashy.

 

And that's it. Bro, forget about that 'flirting with women advice'. It's given with good intentions, you should be thankful for the time the poster has spent typing to you, but if you don't have the looks to back it up, more than less it's going to come across as void of sexual tension. Meaning, you'll be giving free male attention and you really won't learn how to talk to women.

 

Never give anything in exchange for nothing.

 

Now, what you really need to do is to let go of your belief that women are shallow. They are not. The next step is to work on your body and on your clothes. Upgrading your financial aspect and your educational life would be the most logical following up.

 

If you fulfill at least half of what I said, you will have a lot of female attention.

 

It's up to you to make it happen.

 

BTW, in my previous post I said that if a woman enjoys the attention a man is giving her, she finds him attractive. Nevermind. I've seen pretty women enjoying the attentions of the ugly to average man. If you look around, bro, you'll see the men trying to get women talking, going out etc: they appreciate the attention, just not the man who gives out the attention.

 

Don't pursue. Pursuing is silly. And approaching is too.

Edited March 30, 2011 by Mr.Cairo

[Eeyore79]

The women in their late 20's to late 30's, those who aren't attracted to me but interested in the financial security that I might provide for them(thus the questions about what do I do, where did I go to school, what I plan to do in the future etc) don't really care about the fact that I don't match their personal physical ideal etc.

 

I have to admit I agree with this to a certain extent. When I was younger I had no plans to get married or have a family, so I dated guys based on their attractiveness. Quite a few of those guys would have been a poor choice as a long term partner, because they weren't committed to me, weren't financially stable, and/or would have made poor fathers. When I reached the age where I wanted marriage and family, my requirements for a man changed; I wanted a man who would be a good husband and father, and I cared less about whether he was handsome and fun.

 

However just because I cared less about whether he was handsome, that doesn't mean that looks were completely removed from the equation. I still wouldn't marry a guy I wasn't attracted to just for financial security; firstly because I still want to enjoy sex with him, and secondly because I don't want ugly children. I will however admit that my criteria for what I want in a partner have changed significantly, and are more focused on security and commitment than on looks.

[Mr.Cairo]

I have to admit I agree with this to a certain extent. When I was younger I had no plans to get married or have a family, so I dated guys based on their attractiveness. Quite a few of those guys would have been a poor choice as a long term partner, because they weren't committed to me, weren't financially stable, and/or would have made poor fathers. When I reached the age where I wanted marriage and family, my requirements for a man changed; I wanted a man who would be a good husband and father, and I cared less about whether he was handsome and fun.

 

However just because I cared less about whether he was handsome, that doesn't mean that looks were completely removed from the equation. I still wouldn't marry a guy I wasn't attracted to just for financial security; firstly because I still want to enjoy sex with him, and secondly because I don't want ugly children. I will however admit that my criteria for what I want in a partner have changed significantly, and are more focused on security and commitment than on looks.

 

 

Yes, but I believe that most of the divorces being initiated by women are caused by women's inclination to select a guy that fulfills 50% of her requirements instead of the 100% she might have wanted a guy to fulfill, and when that happens, unhappiness occurs.

 

Problem is finding a man that has all of the characteristics being sought after by a woman with marriage/children in her mind, and also attractive. It's possible, but very hard to find, and I believe that most women settle with what they can have right now.

 

That's also part of why I've also taught my younger brothers and cousins to not put that much stock on relationships, marriage, and children. They are going to pay(relationships, commitment etc) for what some other guy had entirely for free.

 

Because the guy who was born taller than average, or with better developed musculature got it all when the woman was young, more attractive, and more interested in something for the enjoyment of it - all because the guy was born more physically attractive.

 

If a man is that interested in having children and marriage, at least marry a Mormon or something. He enjoys her youth and beauty and she enjoys his financial power and has a nice sum of money and resources out of it when the marriage eventually dissolves.

 

Never give anything for free, sumdude.

Edited March 30, 2011 by Mr.Cairo

[SteveC80]

Yes, but I believe that most of the divorces being initiated by women are caused by women's inclination to select a guy that fulfills 50% of her requirements instead of the 100% she might have wanted a guy to fulfill, and when that happens, unhappiness occurs.

 

Problem is finding a man that has all of the characteristics being sought after by a woman with marriage/children in her mind, and also attractive. It's possible, but very hard to find, and I believe that most women settle with what they can have right now.

 

That's also part of why I've also taught my younger brothers and cousins to not put that much stock on relationships, marriage, and children. They are going to pay(relationships, commitment etc) for what some other guy had entirely for free.

 

Because the guy who was born taller than average, or with better developed musculature got it all when the woman was young, more attractive, and more interested in something for the enjoyment of it - all because the guy was born more physically attractive.

 

If a man is that interested in having children and marriage, at least marry a Mormon or something. He enjoys her youth and beauty and she enjoys his financial power and has a nice sum of money and resources out of it when the marriage eventually dissolves.

 

Never give anything for free, sumdude.

 

I always tell guys who were ignored by women when they were in their teens and 20's if a women shows interest in you later in life chances are you didnt automatically become attractive shes just using you to have a fmaily and fact that she was used and abused by good looking guys and finalyl relaized her league she attracts to comitt arent the top guys

 

Shell use bs cliches like "i figured out whats important in life" aka im desperate my biologicla clocks ticking and ill settle with you"

[Mr.Cairo]

I always tell guys who were ignored by women when they were in their teens and 20's if a women shows interest in you later in life chances are you didnt automatically become attractive shes just using you to have a fmaily and fact that she was used and abused by good looking guys and finalyl relaized her league she attracts to comitt arent the top guys

 

Shell use bs cliches like "i figured out whats important in life" aka im desperate my biologicla clocks ticking and ill settle with you"

 

I don't know about that. The guy might have decided to change his physical appearance by joining the gym and working hard on himself. Maybe he had the looks but dressed like a slob and it took him decades to learn how to dress. He might have developed a great sense of fashion. He might have fixed his crooked teeth.

 

Who knows.

 

It might have something to do with phases. I noticed that I was better looking etc than the guys the girls were dating when I was 16 years old.

 

I guess that during a woman's teens they are more attracted to the rebel, the 'bad boy' or whatever it is.

 

What I'm saying is that, regardless of what age group the man is at, he should never pay(in any way or shape) for what some other guy had for free. And trust me. There's always some guy(per woman) who had it for free.

[Woggle]

 

What I'm saying is that, regardless of what age group the man is at, he should never pay(in any way or shape) for what some other guy had for free. And trust me. There's always some guy(per woman) who had it for free.

 

This is true. During my player phase the only thing I ever bought a woman was an ice cream cone and most players I know spend very little money on women. Even rich guys tend to spend very little. The women in their circle like being around wealth and status but these guys spend very little.

[threebyfate]

*watches men ensuring other men can't date*

[Mr.Cairo]

*watches men ensuring other men can't date*

 

 

Why date when, with their bodies upgraded to the ideals of young women, these guys can finally enjoy sex without having to pay for it. Dating. That is so patriarchal LOL!

[Mr.Cairo]

This is true. During my player phase the only thing I ever bought a woman was an ice cream cone and most players I know spend very little money on women. Even rich guys tend to spend very little. The women in their circle like being around wealth and status but these guys spend very little.

 

It's also a great way to find out which woman is really into you, or into your money, free male attention etc. The women who were interested in me had no problem in paying to either be near me or to please me. Gifts, dinners etc.

 

On the other hand, the women who weren't attracted to me were more interested in, and if I was going to spend money on them. Extending to the point of them not wanting to be near me if I wasn't asking them out(remember, whoever asks, has to pay for the date), or if I wasn't spending money on phone calls(feeding their ego).

 

When a woman is interested in you she doesn't care about dinners, gifts, going out or whatever other money spending activity. She's glad to be with you on a garden bench.

 

The woman who wants to sleep with you will find a way. She won't put up 'emotional needs' and 'compatibility issues' as barriers between you and her, to evaluate your $$$ prospects.

Edited March 30, 2011 by Mr.Cairo

[threebyfate]

Why date when, with their bodies upgraded to the ideals of young women, these guys can finally enjoy sex without having to pay for it. Dating. That is so patriarchal LOL!

The advice that cracks me up is the type that reduces women to non-human and makes male attention something that's bought and sold.

 

*newsflash*

 

Women are people. Treat them as such. Don't be a cheap screw and don't be a self-entitled jerk.

[Mr.Cairo]

The advice that cracks me up is the type that reduces women to non-human and makes male attention something that's bought and sold.

 

*newsflash*

 

Women are people. Treat them as such. Don't be a cheap screw and don't be a self-entitled jerk.

 

What I love the most are the beliefs that many women and men seem to have, in that, women can't enjoy sex for the sake of having sex. Women can't have FWB because there has to be some higher meaning to all of it. If the man is having sex with a man and he isn't putting a ring on her finger or at least introudcing her to his parents, the woman is being violently oppressed from her 'right' to 'commitment' and is being used and possibly even emotionally molested!

 

The outrage! A woman enjoying attractive men and the pleasure such men can provide, instead of complicating everything with emotional implications or even legal repercussions(co-habitation couples, married couples breaking apart etc).

 

I wasn't aware that we were still in the 15th Century, when a man had to literally marry a woman if he wanted to have sex(lets not get prostitutes into this).

 

I know that many people have this mentality of 'sex cheapens the value of women and what they can get out of the sex ' because of the evil patriachy, but I know that in every college from America to Europe and Africa, young women and young men are turning away from the brainswashing most of the men and women worldwide are victims off.

 

Another evil tendency of the patriachy is how most guys and women put the victimhood card up when things don't go their way or they are against whatever it is.

 

For the patriachy to fall, we have to stop thinking about women as swan Lakes, pretty little things that are as holy as the first star to be made in the Universe.

[somedude81]

What Sum81 needs to do is to head to the gym, get buffed, save up for a height-enhancement surgery(while using platform shoes). He could also save some money to upgrade his clothes(if you dress casually etc) to something flashy.

 

Now, what you really need to do is to let go of your belief that women are shallow. They are not.

Way to contradict yourself.

 

If women weren't shallow, why would I need to "get buffed, save up for a height-enhancement surgery(while using platform shoes)."

[Mr.Cairo]

Cheap screw? It's opressive to spend money on a woman. Everytime a man is spending money to be with a woman(gasoline,dinners etc), he's proving to her that he doesn't trust her enough to spend her own money, on her or on the guy.

 

But don't stress about it. Younger women understand that a man's time is precious. They are putting forth their own money and their own cars and gasoline to be with the guy and that, is simply beautiful. The sexes are finally becoming equal, and that means the death of the patriachy.

 

I've never spent money or time on a woman. I could say that I am one of the truest sons of feminism and I'll be sure to propragate feminism even more. It has given us so many wonderful opportunies to come together with women without having to be willing to sell our skin and bones for the pleasure of the company.

[Woggle]

I spend money on my wife all the time but that is because I do nice things for the people I care about. I am generous with my friends and I treat the people on the projects I lead at work to dinner for a job well done. What I won't do if I were single is splurge to buy a woman's affection if I barely know her.

[Mr.Cairo]

Way to contradict yourself.

 

If women weren't shallow, why would I need to "get buffed, save up for a height-enhancement surgery(while using platform shoes)."

 

 

Because every human being is attracted to beauty and signs of power and status. That's why you weren't attracted to the overweight women who wanted to do you. It had nothing to do with their personality. You'd be sleeping with them if they had the body and face of Megan Fox and the personality of blank paper.

 

Don't try and get yourself on the Morality Mountain, bro.

 

So as you are attracted to attractive women(average women are attractive because they are 'levels' above the physical looks of ugly women/obese women), they too are attracted to men their equals in terms of looks.

 

You have to rise above what is average. When the average is men overweight or scrawny, a man witth a good musculature on him is considered above average and when you are above average, you are going to have far more options than what the average man has going for him.

 

Pretty simple, no?

 

The height subject also adds to how attractive you are. Heck, you could get a lot of female attention just by being taller, as I've met pretty goofy looking guys with girlfriends - and yes, the kind of women you are interested in.

 

You are going to spend money on useless trinkets. Why not to spend money on something that is going to make your sexua life much easier? Save up money. Get the height surgery. Go to the gym, grow bigger, leaner, buffier, whatever.

 

Your decisions and actions to become attractive don't make you shallow. Shallow is the word, the excuse, ugly to average women and men use for explaining why they aren't attracting women and men, or simply the hot women and men they want.

[mr.dream merchant]

This thread makes me laugh.

 

Guys, hands up if you'd still sleep with a hot girl who's a total bitch.

 

*Hand up*.

 

Women get so hung up on **** that'll take time to know. They see a hot guy out and about, I mean, what are they ****ing thinking? "Oh he's hot but I wonder what he scored on his ACT"

 

Get the **** outta here.

[mr.dream merchant]

I see something I like I go for it.

 

Pretty face? Check.

Long hair? Check.

Nice tits? Check.

Fat ass? Check.

Nice sized - slim waist? Check.

 

Bam, I'm gonna go talk to her, and try to get in that coochie.

 

I'm not sitting around wondering whether her personality is attractive, or if she's smart, etc. Why worry about that now? Holy ****. Just have fun and go with the flow, deal with all that crap later when you're actually sure you want to try and pursue a relationship with them.

 

Jesus christ no wonder so many women are single lmao, they're too busy turning a physically attractive guy into a got damn Rubix Cube at an eye's glance.

 

-A baffled easy going guy.

[Woggle]

I am past the point of wanting to deal with hot bitches. The novelty of being with a hot woman gets old real quick when you have to deal with her day to day.

[mr.dream merchant]

I am past the point of wanting to deal with hot bitches. The novelty of being with a hot woman gets old real quick when you have to deal with her day to day.

 

Heh, depends on how bad her personality sucks really. If she's a bitch to other people but nice to me cause she wants to **** around, that's cool with me. I probably won't date her, but I'm not sitting around complicating the dating game with a bunch of minute **** that shouldn't even be a factor in the beginning stages of the game.

[Mr.Cairo]

I spend money on my wife all the time but that is because I do nice things for the people I care about. I am generous with my friends and I treat the people on the projects I lead at work to dinner for a job well done. What I won't do if I were single is splurge to buy a woman's affection if I barely know her.

 

 

Thing is, the money I spend on people other than me, are family and friends. People who have been with me since I was given life to, or guys and gals I grew up with and never lost touch with. Sure, I've given money to my life.

 

So lets compare a woman who had or is going to have sex with me(take away the goddess mentality and the patriachy evilness and you'll see that it's not that great of a deal), and the woman who gave me life and made my life pleasant .

[Mr.Cairo]

This thread makes me laugh.

 

Guys, hands up if you'd still sleep with a hot girl who's a total bitch.

 

*Hand up*.

 

Women get so hung up on **** that'll take time to know. They see a hot guy out and about, I mean, what are they ****ing thinking? "Oh he's hot but I wonder what he scored on his ACT"

 

Get the **** outta here.

 

 

True, on a visceral response, I can be very attracted to a bitchy woman if she's that attractive and most guys will at least have one bitchy hot girlfriend or ONS if they can have it.

 

Well, you have to understand that one of the evil tools of the patriachy is the influence it has on how men and women percieve young women having sex casual sex with good looking guys(or for the money he has).

 

'She had low self-esteem!'

 

'She was abused as a kid!'

 

Those same women fall victims to the patriachy's opression as they no longer allow themselves to have casual sex as they age and decide it's time for something serious.

 

What's wrong with accepting that women too, wanted to be banged hard or sofltly, by good looking guys, or by guys with cash?

 

This cage we put women in, of them being the proverbial Wendy, or Christ's mother, only makes women feel bad about themselves and prevents them from exploring their sexuality.

[Woggle]

Heh, depends on how bad her personality sucks really. If she's a bitch to other people but nice to me cause she wants to **** around, that's cool with me. I probably won't date her, but I'm not sitting around complicating the dating game with a bunch of minute **** that shouldn't even be a factor in the beginning stages of the game.

 

This is how men end up in bad relationships. There is so much more to a woman than simply physical beauty.

[mr.dream merchant]

True, on a visceral response, I can be very attracted to a bitchy woman if she's that attractive and most guys will at least have one bitchy hot girlfriend or ONS if they can have it.

 

Well, you have to understand that one of the evil tools of the patriachy is the influence it has on how men and women percieve young women having sex casual sex with good looking guys(or for the money he has).

 

'She had low self-esteem!'

 

'She was abused as a kid!'

 

Those same women fall victims to the patriachy's opression as they no longer allow themselves to have casual sex as they age and decide it's time for something serious.

 

What's wrong with accepting that women too, wanted to be banged hard or sofltly, by good looking guys, or by guys with cash?

 

This cage we put women in, of them being the proverbial Wendy, or Christ's mother, only makes women feel bad about themselves and prevents them from exploring their sexuality.

 

True, I'm guilty of judging women like how you've just explained. Working on it though.

 

But back to the subject, I can't stop laughing. I mean,

 

Personality is important, I agree. Intellect, yeah that to. But damn! We're talking about walking around in town and seeing people we think are attractive.

 

On a stop and go meet and greet, who has time to analyze personality and intellect? These women are way too full of themselves.

 

I could meet an attractive woman, and she seemed kind of bitchy. But **** son, I'm still going to get the digits and feel her out some more. Who knows what happened in her day where she's kind of bitchy.

 

Like I said, I'm rollin' bro. These women are making the dating game way too serious at even a passing glance, and a quick hi and bye. Get the fug outta here. I'll take the simple woman who's actually rational about ****.