Playing Ugly Girls

[Vivid_29]

Would anybody like to watch, 'The Little Prince' with me?

 

~V

[silk_sword]

manipulation is achievable by all, but exists (is used) with purpose. purpose is determined solely by the individual. blaming purpose becomes futile. only discovering it and rectifying it begins a necessary change/metamorphoses.

 

 

"The Little Prince"

 

i love the way the prince must care for his flower! she will wither without him.

[jenny]

i think i've seen that in a fortune cookie.

 

you two are so cute. and er...very abstract.

[silk_sword]

insane is a much better word

[Vivid_29]

Why 'insane'? Can't comprehend as to how you fell for a badguy, goodgirl?

 

~V

[silk_sword]

i never fall for the bad boys. i love the soft hearts. u know this!

[moimeme]

I think you two are soooo sweeeeettttt

 

(waiting for Viv to blanch and start spouting pseudo macho gunk again )

[silk_sword]

viv got his ultimatim (me or his old habits). obviously he made the right decision!

[Vivid_29]

Originally posted by silk_sword

viv got his ultimatim (me or his old habits). obviously he made the right decision!

 

 

The only reason I'm being good is because you are one in a million!

 

~V

[fenerbahce]

man i didnt read all the threads but if i was u i would tell the brunette exactly what you said in your first thread(except that "she is ugly"). she'll get upset but she can deal with it at least knowing what is going on

 

by the way i know this aint the place 2 ask this but i just started this and i dont know how 2 display my picture. can somebody help. i'll send a kiss if it's a girl

[Renny_H]

Moimeme said: ‘Mabye she, obviously mistakenly, can't believe that her pal is so shallow that he'd reject her nice personality on such pitiful grounds.’

 

Don’t make up stuff. I did try my hardest to find her visually attractive at one point. I did. Her personality is nice and optimistic, but not intriguing, not cloudy, and that took a lot of attraction away. Understand that I believe there are no UGLY girls in this world image-wise; just personality-wise. But in terms of the twin package, she never, ever stimulated my balls, you know?

 

Moimeme said: ‘You can go ahead and think it's cool and fun to be’.

 

I get excited by conflict in my life because I’m used to it and I guess I’m sick of taking it seriously. As you’ll read later on, I’m not one to let down my defences easily. Not anymore. I’ve had enough of being attacked and hurt. (And this brunette needs that experience if she wants to survive the next hot guy).

 

Moimeme said: ‘I can hardly see you thinking 'gee, that guy is nicer/more considerate/more interesting than I am'.

 

I’m very nice in person. Privately though, I express a lot of hatred and anger (like on this forum) to make myself tolerant of other people’s s***; and that makes me humble. I’m not jerk to the girls I try to pursue. I’m nice.

 

Befuddled11 said: ‘You know you're going to rile people’.

 

No, you all just think you’re perfect, and not one of you has shared a similar experience. You can’t admit, “Ooo, perhaps I did that once upon a time when I was young.’ You’re not objective. And you expect me to be perfect too.

 

Befuddled11 said: ‘The brunette not breeding material, face not pretty enough for a portrait’.

 

That’s just truth, okay? Even if it’s not nice, it’s truth from my perspective. Don’t crucify me for being honest. It’s not like I say this s*** to her in person.

 

Silk Sword said: ‘your labeled yourself a bastard? do you enjoy this label?’

 

I accept that I’m evil and not a nice person coz of where I come from. I have a lot of distrust for the people around me, but within me, I have this determination to deter any s*** that flies my way. I’m not that tolerate of things that affect me and that makes me evil when I dismiss silly brunette girls who think they’ve figured me out. It irritates. She does not know the s*** I’ve been dragged through – her life has been all prissy – and she expects me to bow down again in life, this time to her. She’s ignorant, and I abuse her not as a friend, but as an unwelcome intruder on MY emotions.

 

Silk Sword said: ‘Your beliefs and views remind me of the ideals someone very dear to me once held. I watched them dwindle’.

 

Yeah well, my main belief is, Never love anyone because you’ll just end up losing them. That’s why I’m slightly offensive towards this brunette girl who wants me to love her without her saying anything. I will not be lured into her trap, even if she’s genuine. I fear giving love, don’t you see? And therefore I become a villain.

 

Befuddled11 said: ‘He's more than admitted to consistently and continually corresponding with the "ugly brunette"....knowing full well that she has an interest in him’.

 

She’s a friend, we’re clear about that, so she does not stroke my ego. When I see her each morning at school, I see a friend, not a girl with a crush on me (that crush is a myth, I’m not positive about it). So I tried to ignore it coz I wasn’t sure what she was feeling – I just heard she had a crush. Its her problem to reveal it. I wasn’t enjoying the attention. What attention? She was a friend to me, and she wasn’t the only person in my life. I only see her a few days a week. I got business elsewhere, as does she.

 

Befuddled11 said: ‘I found it intriguing (hurl) to read in Renny's profile’. That line about manipulating women is a bad joke. It's meaningless.

 

[color=darkred]All I ask is you be objective. Just coz I’m a harsh rationalist who expresses himself truthfully, doesn’t mean I’m here to upset anyone. I’m just offering myself.[/color]

 

And I just want to know how to deal with things on Monday. I know I screwed up, and I know I sound excited, but it’s definitely not fun not knowing how to handle this brunette girl on Monday.

[moimeme]

there are no UGLY girls

 

You're the one who used the word and words like it more than once.

 

And this brunette needs that experience if she wants to survive the next hot guy

 

That you haven't managed to process the things that have happened to you in a healthy manner doesn't mean you get to visit your imagined misfortunes on others.

 

Privately though, I express a lot of hatred and anger

 

Got news for you. That a person is full of 'hatred and anger' will manifest itself.

 

Don’t crucify me for being honest

 

That you even think of thinking of someone as 'breeding material' is repugnant in and of itself. And makes you not 'good breeding material'. Hope you enjoy being thus categorized.

 

I’m evil and not a nice person coz of where I come from

 

That's a lame and pitiful excuse. If you've got a troubled internal life, get it fixed.

 

I abuse her not as a friend, but as an unwelcome intruder on MY emotions.

 

If this is how you feel about people, then avoid them. They don't need your shxt.

 

I fear giving love, don’t you see? And therefore I become a villain.

 

Cute. Picturing yourself as some sort of evil prince. Maybe you're just a coward? We have to deal with pain in life. But we survive.

 

And I just want to know how to deal with things on Monday

 

If she doesn't speak to you, then leave her alone. If she's mad at you, suck it up and then leave her alone. Let the crush die of neglect.

[amerikajin]

>>>This kind of mistreatment of fellow human beings is acceptable for you, Amerikajin?<<<

 

I'm not upset by it because the situation doesn't exist. This guy's a legend in his own mind.

 

Now for the reality: he doesn't have a girlfriend; he doesn't get any nookie; all he does is e-mail poetry to chicks he dreams of.

 

Some Wilt Chamberlain, this guy.

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by Renny_H

Ooo-ahh. Dyermaker, I knew you’d come along like a happy chappy and dissect my ideals, though I really don’t mind.

I haven't lost so much faith in humanity that I actually think these are your ideals. More and more, I'm thinking this is really intelligent joketrolling.

You’ve never really convinced me I’m wrong about anything.

HUGE surprise.

b]Dyermaker said:[/b] ‘Renny, you have some ridiculously victorian perceptions of women’. You must explain this.

Your perceptions of women are that they must conform to your standards of femininity. In the 21st century, we see women as independent members of society capable of succeeding without being traditionally submissive and incapable of thinking for themselves.

Dyermaker said: ‘Renny, the self-proclaimed women expert that you are’. You’re implying I get a lot of girls, a lot of sex and I chase chicks like mad. However, I’m rather restrained and I only go after a few girls I genuinely find emotionally appealing, as well as the usual good looks. I think any man is a women expert if they just shut up and listen to them and sense what they want. I sense a lot of girls don’t want me, so that makes me a women expert.

I was implying nothing of the sort, rather I'd be quite surprised if tons of girls found your attitude attractive, rather I was mocking your self-proclaimed intuition into the female mind

 

 

I'm going to examine this discourse from afar, I have no more delusions of explaining you to you, so I'll just laugh and take notes.

[wing81]

All I can say Renny is wow. Reading this posts have really got me annoyed. You ask for help and when people send you replies you get very defensive and don't listen. Its like you are waiting from someone to tell you what you want to hear. We have all had our share of misfortune. Some choose to learn and grow from these experiences, others let them eat away at them and keep them from having a fullfilling life.

 

I have to agree with those that think you are insecure, you are overly arrogant and trying to hide something. I'm not sure if you noticed but if you go back and read your posts there are so many contradictions. Even in the same post you tell us two different things. For example one minute you are telling us you are a nice guy and the next you are saying you are evil and not nice. Also you said that you learned that you can't sit back and wait for people to come to you but you moved on when the brunette didn't tell her she was interested and chase you. I'm not sure what kind of relationship you are looking for but sounds like all you want is some play. I can tell you if you do find a relationship this way you won't be happy, atleast not very long.

 

You seem to have a lot of anger toward everyone. I think you need to figure out why and how to fix it. No matter how hard you try to hide how you feel inside you still show it through your expressions and body language. Nobody wants to be around someone like that. All I can say is try not to be so angry and learn to trust people again. Nobody will trust you if you don't trust them. Good Luck

[Renny_H]

Let me explain why I said [color=blue]‘There are no ugly girls on this planet’[/color].

 

[color=olive]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; there are people out there that will think you’re attractive even if others don’t. Personality is what matters, because have no doubt, appearance means very little after a conversation has started. But just because someone isn’t attracted to you doesn’t mean you’re ugly. There are no ugly people in this world in terms of appearance; just personality-wise. But each person’s hormones react differently to whoever, so don’t get depressed if someone ain’t into you. You’re just ugly to that one solitary person, not everyone. [/color]

 

Moimeme said: ‘thinking of someone as 'breeding material' is repugnant’.

 

I’ve read a number of books suggesting that men do, in fact, look at women based on their potential to breed successfully. They put on their biological glasses or something.

 

Moimeme said: ‘[if people are unwelcome intruders on your emotions], then avoid them.’

 

I want friends; I just don’t want this brunette girl becoming anything more, and it annoys me that she ran off like that. Kinda blackmail, I guess.

 

Moimeme said: ‘Picturing yourself as some sort of evil prince. Maybe you're just a coward?’

 

I have a lot of turmoil on my soul. If I am a coward, it’s coz I don’t need anymore of it. I don’t need this brunette girl to mess with me, make me feel like I’d better love her or I’ll lose her as a friend. Blackmail, again .

 

Moimeme said: ‘Let the [brunette's] crush die of neglect.’

 

Again, you’re all for the brunette. Weird . What work did she do to warrant your allegiance? Perhaps you should say this brunette needs to step things up, even if it’ll annoy me. Never mind, she’s weak at expressing herself anyway. It might have made her attractive to me if she wasn’t. You can’t survive love being sweet all the time.

 

Amerikajin said: ‘This guy's a legend in his own mind… he doesn't have a girlfriend; he doesn't get any nookie; all he does is e-mail poetry to chicks he dreams of.’

 

I’m in search for a caring girl who I can relate to. If I just wanted sex, I’d settle for the brunette. If I wanted a girlfriend, I’d settle for the brunette. And I don’t just email poetry to the blonde to get her to notice me. Still, it’s a struggle, which I believe in – I learn new things. The brunette is too easy to get. No challenge = no attraction, no triumph, no feeling of achievement.

 

Dyermaker said: ‘More and more, I'm thinking this is really intelligent joketrolling.’

 

I’d say that’s name-calling, a degradation of who I am. Read on, man. You might learn that not everyone can be sensible all the time.

 

Renny said this to Dyermaker: ‘You’ve never really convinced me I’m wrong about anything.’

 

I take that back. I have learnt new things from Dyermaker OUTSIDE of my threads.

 

Dyermaker said: ‘Your perceptions of women are that they must conform to your standards of femininity. In the 21st century, we see women as independent members of society capable of succeeding without being traditionally submissive and incapable of thinking for themselves.’

 

Alright, but as long as I keep my standards to myself, that’s no one else’s problem.

 

Dyermaker said: ‘Rather, I was mocking your self-proclaimed intuition into the female mind.’

 

Okay. But that just comes from the frustration of being around girls on a lower intelligence level. [See final Wing81 response below]

 

Dyermaker said: ‘I have no more delusions of explaining you to you, so I'll just laugh’.

 

Enjoy yourself. I’ll put on a good show, shall I?

 

Wing81 said: ‘You ask for help and when people send you replies you get very defensive and don't listen.’

 

I do listen, but most of the advice that I’m getting is centred around me, not the situation in the first post. I’m being attacked for doing something I’m sure everyone did at my age, 20. Why aren’t they discussing the issues of image and the relativeness of attractiveness? I’m very hardened, to be sure, but I’m not looking for people to just break me down; I want to know the perspective of the brunette. Ladies, if you were the brunette – timid, laid back, not the best looking – what would you do about a hot guy who treats you real nice? Expect that guy to read your mind? Bah.

 

I mean, has anyone ever lost a crush because they thought only friendliness would catch their attention?

 

Wing81 said: ‘Its like you are waiting for someone to tell you what you want to hear.’

 

Correct, and therefore I wait for someone to inspire me with something original, something personal, their own anecdote that relates to their experiences with ugly girls… or as an ugly girl.

 

Wing81 said: ‘There are so many contradictions. Even in the same post you tell us two different things. For example one minute you are telling us you are a nice guy and the next you are saying you are evil and not nice.

 

It’s difficult separating the [color=blue]Private Renny[/color] from the [color=green]Public Renny[/color]. The mind from the matter. In person, I’m portray myself as nice, tolerant, softly spoken, and able to make friends. But in my mind, and subsequently in my writing, I describe how I hate acting to impress other people, but it must be done in order to fit in. I’m a jerk here at loveshack.org, and that’s how my mind is truly programmed to be; but in real life, everything’s a performance because I’m much more mature and intellectual than the other kids in my class.

 

I call myself ‘a bastard’ and ‘evil’ all the time so I don’t openly become one. And if you do sense any insecurity, it’s because I’m surrounded by people a lot lower than my intelligence level and I have trouble talking to them. The blonde girl I’ve been talking about: she could never relate to me, so I let down my defences and sent her some poetry to make me look more boyish, young inside my mind. I don’t know.

 

Wing81 said: ‘I'm not sure what kind of relationship you are looking for but sounds like all you want is some play.’

 

That’s right. It gets lonely when you’re the most mature guy in the class and girls fear your intelligence, your ability to make them look stupid. So yeah, I’m looking for physical affection, an attractive girl, and I really do not want to settle for this brunette coz she doesn’t spark my lobes. She’s boring in terms of her sensuality. At my age, let’s be honest: I don’t much care about settling for the bland girl. I can’t be seen walking around malls with one of society’s F-grades. Why? Why should I? Sure, it sounds like I’m insecure about my image, but that’s what makes me happy.

 

Wing81 said: ‘You seem to have a lot of anger toward everyone.’

 

Because all the posts so far have had little to do with the Thread Topic. People in here are very edgy in here about calling anyone ‘ugly’.

 

Wing81 said: ‘No matter how hard you try to hide how you feel inside you still show it through your expressions and body language.’ And Moimeme said: ‘A person full of 'hatred and anger' will manifest itself.’

 

You’re right. My parents have seen some of my writing, and I fear I will lash out at some point. How do I fix it? Finding the perfect girl before it’s too late.

 

Wing81 said: ‘All I can say is try not to be so angry and learn to trust people again.’

 

That’s very civilised advice. Thanks, but I’m around the wrong people at the moment, people who don’t recognise my talents; and they make me angry coz they’re my only path to better things. I’m trapped in[color=red] a social hell[/color].

[Reckless]

Okay Renny, I'll step in and help you out:

 

* You have an 'buddy' that you don't fancy (brunnett) but that has a thing for you. She she's got the message now. She knows you fancy the other girl. She'll live and if you want to keep her as a friend don't tell her she's ugly or anything - girls mostly don't like that.

 

*You'd like to have another girl ( the blond) because you have a huge crush on her When you've finished fighting here - you might like to ask her out

 

There, problem solved.

 

Don't be nervous about seeing them, they'll both eventually see your true colours and make their own decisions about what they want. You just keep being yourself and the rest will fall into line.

 

R.

 

Ps. You're not a 'bastard' for not finding someone physically attractive but your mamma should have taught you not to deliberately string a girl along (even as a friend sometimes) if you know she has feelings for you and that you can never return them. It's just pain cruel but like I said, you should have been taught from an early age. No disrespect to your mama in anyway, it's just a general point I felt I needed to add.

[moimeme]

I don’t need this brunette girl to mess with me, make me feel like I’d better love her or I’ll lose her as a friend. Blackmail, again

 

You don't even see how twisted your thinking is. She isn't 'blackmailing' you. She's living her life. And you don't happen to like that she exists. Which is sick. As in disordered. As in see a shrink. Guess what - it is NOT all about YOU!!!!!

 

Ladies, if you were the brunette – timid, laid back, not the best looking – what would you do about a hot guy who treats you real nice? Expect that guy to read your mind? Bah.

 

The sad thing is that you don't even understand how ridiculous your train of thought is. You set yourself up as some sort of prince of wonderfulness deserving praise because you deign to deal with mere persons who are not as attractive as you seem to think you are. BLECH.

 

 

it’s because I’m surrounded by people a lot lower than my intelligence level and I have trouble talking to them

 

How do I fix it? Finding the perfect girl before it’s too late.

 

I’m around the wrong people at the moment, people who don’t recognise my talents;

 

Buddy, look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Read the symptoms here. You're classic, according to this. Go see a shrink and get help for it.

 

http://www.mentalhelp.net/ poc/view_doc.php?type= doc&id=560

 

I don't know why, but the link won't work as is so copy the address and paste it into your browser and then remove the spaces. If your system changes the code (mine put a 20% in one time!!), try it again.

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by Renny_H

Dyermaker said: ‘More and more, I'm thinking this is really intelligent joketrolling.’

 

I’d say that’s name-calling, a degradation of who I am. Read on, man. You might learn that not everyone can be sensible all the time.

I wasn't calling you names, merely your forum charades. I'm not degrading who you are, only who you're coming off as--because I don't beleive that these posts are 100% real.

[FreeMe]

Originally posted by dyermaker

Renny, stick to girls who aren't breeding material, because I'm scared of you breeding and indoctrinating your future children with your mysoginy.

 

 

 

Ah, so many people said things that if I thought it was worth my time to think very deeply about Renny at all, I would loved to have said myself. Dyermaker, moimeme, beffudled11 - you are all right on.

[Renny_H]

Originally posted by moimeme

Buddy, look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Read the symptoms here. You're classic, according to this. Go see a shrink and get help for it.

 

Cheeky woman.

 

Sweetheart, your link didn’t work but I went to the main page, and scowled and found it anyway. But you were way off: I think I might have three personality disorders, not one. Get it right.

 

Anyway, I don’t see why I have to be ‘normal’ like you. Everyone’s different, and I don’t see why a girl couldn’t accept my personality disorders as long as I hide them. I’m more dramatic than what society considers usual? [color=blue]Give me a break.[/color] It’s like a black hole in here.

 

???Renny has a grandiose sense of self-importance. He exaggerates his achievements and talents, and expects to be recognized as superior without the appropriate achievements. [Well, you don’t know what I’ve achieved, but I’ve done plenty of things that haven’t been recognised properly and this frustrates me. I think that’s ‘normal’. ]

 

???Renny is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love. [That’s probably true, but everyone dreams and I’m certainly ambitious. ]

 

???Renny believes that he is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people. [There’s no problem with that. I do feel like I need to be around smarter people so I don’t go insane. I believe I am more talented than the people in my class, so that makes me unique without having to say it.]

 

???Renny requires excessive admiration. [That’s crap. I just want people to recognise the things I do, and stop ignoring my hard work.]

 

???Renny has a sense of entitlement. That is, he has unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his expectations. [if I’m nice to people, then I expect favourable treatment. If I’m nice, I expect people to comply with my requests. I’m polite, but I’m not unreasonable.]

 

???Renny is interpersonally exploitative. That is, he takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends. [That’s true. I’m sure everyone plays games when they’re dating though.]

 

???Renny lacks empathy. He is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. [Okay, a little. But when the anger goes, I become rational and accept why girls don’t like me.]

 

???Renny is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her. [i don’t believe anyone envies me, but I do get jealous sometimes when the girl I like talks to other guys.]

 

???Renny shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes. [Yeah well, you need to survive this world somehow. I’m not comfortable where I am at this moment, so I’ll be an aggressive, take-no-s*** kinda guy to escape it.]

 

In any case, personally I think narcissism is necessary for kids who have been mistreated growing up. Having confidence within yourself helps you to overcome your paranoia that people are out to tread on you.

 

I don’t really wanna see a shrink coz they cost heaps of money. I don’t think you understand that, yes, I am surrounded by people who talk s***, that I can’t stand, and why is it a crime to state such a fact? If I didn’t know them, I wouldn’t judge them like this.

 

And It’s hard to find individuality when you can’t relate to people in your immediate vicinity. You kinda feel inadequate.

 

But I will acknowledge this: at the present time, I feel all-powerful. So yeah, I’m pretty sick in the head, but I’m a good writer. Though I write short stories about me jumping on train tracks. I don’t know what that means, but it upsets the teachers, even if it’s fiction.

 

[color=red][font=arial]UPDATE:[/font][/color] I went to school today, but the brunette had a strained ankle and emailed me to tell me she couldn’t come. So I corresponded with her a bit during computer class while she was at home. And yeah, she did figure out I had a crush on the blonde girl, but she never told me she was jealous or had feelings for me; she just brought it up like that, then let it go. She’s afraid to express her feelings, I think. So I sent her an email totally explaining the crush on the blonde without ever bringing up the brunette’s attraction to me coz I’ll leave that up to her to divulge. She’s got all the cards now. It’s her play.

 

It shall be interesting what happens when we next meet.

[dyermaker]

Renny, you seem to think that these things are "just normal"--Renny, we DON'T think like that, that's why it's called a disorder.

[jenny]

Renny is boring to those around him, regardless of their levels of education or experience.

[Renny_H]

Originally posted by jenny

Renny is boring to those around him, regardless of their levels of education or experience.

 

That was fascinating. A totally unsupported and unjustifed comment, no doubt from someone incapable of digesting the entire thread. Hmm...

 

Feeble, jenny. That had very little power behind it. You couldn't pick me apart, so you resort to a frustrated insult.

[jenny]

er...i'm bored by you. that is enough support for me.