HeartOnSleeve Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Anyone have any advice or experiance with dating guys in Special Ops Military- SEALS, EOD, Rangers, Delta Forces, etc. ?
jadedone Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Anyone have any advice or experiance with dating guys in Special Ops Military- SEALS, EOD, Rangers, Delta Forces, etc. ? Don't. They compartmentalize, rationalize, manipulate, and just can't be trusted.
Author HeartOnSleeve Posted March 24, 2011 Author Posted March 24, 2011 Wow....so what was your experiance with? Which team? and do you know if they were enlisted or an officer? Just curious
USMCHokie Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Special operators, like servicemembers in general, tend to fall into a general category of "alpha-male'ness" and often get a bad reputation as being dishonest and disloyal. Of course this isn't always the case, but many of these military guys have a heightened sense of self-worth and entitlement and often get the attention that comes with it. That being said, it certainly takes a very special kind of person to date or marry a military member, even moreso for those special operators. It takes an immeasureable amount of trust on both sides.
Graviton Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 You understand that men like that voluntarily sign up to become state funded murderers right? To voluntarily undergo the training that dehumanizes other human beings so that they can kill them requires sadism on the part of the instructors and the men who will be doing the killing.
jadedone Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Wow....so what was your experiance with? Which team? and do you know if they were enlisted or an officer? Just curious I primarily dealt with Seals and Force Recon, but had contact with others. Hokie is spot on about the sense of self entitlement. They will take and do whatever they want. Only difference between the officers and enlisted to me, was I could use bigger words with the officers.
Author HeartOnSleeve Posted March 24, 2011 Author Posted March 24, 2011 Special operators, like servicemembers in general, tend to fall into a general category of "alpha-male'ness" and often get a bad reputation as being dishonest and disloyal. Of course this isn't always the case, but many of these military guys have a heightened sense of self-worth and entitlement and often get the attention that comes with it. That being said, it certainly takes a very special kind of person to date or marry a military member, even moreso for those special operators. It takes an immeasureable amount of trust on both sides. Thank you for your repsonce USMCHockie...I totally agree. So my experiance has been pleasant, sure they are very alpha etc. but the guy I have been seeing and his buddies are not creepy, rude, entitled, womanizers. Actually a lot of them are from small towns in the south and they talk about finding a nice girl to settle down with. Maybe I'm just not seeing it or the ones I have met are the exception. They love their country, their teams, their families and most all want to fight and fight hard for our freedoms.
USMCHokie Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Only difference between the officers and enlisted to me, was I could use bigger words with the officers. Eye reed gud. :laugh: Thank you for your repsonce USMCHockie...I totally agree. So my experiance has been pleasant, sure they are very alpha etc. but the guy I have been seeing and his buddies are not creepy, rude, entitled, womanizers. Actually a lot of them are from small towns in the south and they talk about finding a nice girl to settle down with. Maybe I'm just not seeing it or the ones I have met are the exception. They love their country, their teams, their families and most all want to fight and fight hard for our freedoms. Of course you'll have your genuinely good guys mixed in with the less pleasant ones (and trust me, there are plenty of them...), but the problem I often see is that women get far too attached before realizing that the guy they're with is absolute scum...and then it just becomes trouble... But in the end, these guys fight to protect their buddy next to them...and you'll have to understand and accept that...
Graviton Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) They love their country, their teams, their families and most all want to fight and fight hard for our freedoms. Oh please. Those were the guys that went into Iraq when Bush jr. told them to go in, even though Bush wasn't able to get a constitutional declaration of war from congress and a legal mandate from the UN. So a few rogue politicians started a war on their own accord, without a democratic and constitutional mandate. Bush had to go to talk to Greenspan of the Federal Reserve to get the trillions of Dollars to go into Iraq, Greenspan gave him the money in the form of a loan which the people of the US have to pay off with interest. The military was constitutionally in their right to refuse to go into that war, because there was no constitutional declaration of war and thus no democratic mandate for the war from the people, yet the military chose to follow a few rogue politicians. And they tortured for them. But you believe they fight for freedom? Can't believe people believe the propaganda of the elite that the war was fought for freedom. The war in Iraq was fought for 5 reasons only. 1. Greenspan and Bush wanted to take control over an important crossing of oil and gas pipelines in Iraq. Greenspan admitted that this crossing was the very reason for the Iraq war. It was the reason the Federal Reserve gave the funding for an illegal war. 2. Iraq was in the process of selling their oil to France and left the US outside of the game. The US invaded to turn the tables and get that oil. The contracts for Iraqi oil have now been signed with the oil companies from the invading countries. 3. Saddam switched the trade of Iraq's oil to Euro's instead of Dollars. 4. They wanted to drive up the price of oil. War with an oil producing nation drives up the price of oil. 5. Bush had beef with Saddam, because Saddam once threatened his father. Soldiers don't fight for freedom, they kill for the elite, so that the elite can steal whatever they want to steal from other people. I have more respect for soldiers who admit this than the sadists who keep spreading the propaganda about freedom. Neither the elite, the politicians or the military gives a flying f*ck about liberty. Freedom is their enemy. They steal, they lie, they kill. Edited March 24, 2011 by Graviton
xpaperxcutx Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Oh please. Those were the guys that went into Iraq when Bush jr. told them to go in, even though Bush wasn't able to get a constitutional declaration of war from congress and a legal mandate from the UN. So a few rogue politicians started a war on their own accord, without a democratic and constitutional mandate. Bush had to go to talk to Greenspan of the Federal Reserve to get the trillions of Dollars to go into Iraq, Greenspan gave him the money in the form of a loan which the people of the US have to pay off with interest. The military was constitutionally in their right to refuse to go into that war, because there was no constitutional declaration of war and thus no democratic mandate for the war from the people, yet the military chose to follow a few rogue politicians. And they tortured for them. But you believe they fight for freedom? Can't believe people believe the propaganda of the elite that the war was fought for freedom. The war in Iraq was fought for 5 reasons only. 1. Greenspan and Bush wanted to take control over an important crossing of oil and gas pipelines in Iraq. Greenspan admitted that this crossing was the very reason for the Iraq war. It was the reason the Federal Reserve gave the funding for an illegal war. 2. Iraq was in the process of selling their oil to France and left the US outside of the game. The US invaded to turn the tables and get that oil. The contracts for Iraqi oil have now been signed with the oil companies from the invading countries. 3. Saddam switched the trade of Iraq's oil to Euro's instead of Dollars. 4. They wanted to drive up the price of oil. War with an oil producing nation drives up the price of oil. 5. Bush had beef with Saddam, because Saddam once threatened his father. Soldiers don't fight for freedom, they kill for the elite, so that the elite can steal whatever they want to steal from other. I have more respect for soldiers who admit this than the sadists who keep spreading the propaganda about freedom. Neither the elite, the politicians or the military gives a flying f*ck about liberty. Freedom is their enemy. They steal, they lie, they kill. You might want to Be careful of your wording. Big Brother is watching.
Graviton Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 You might want to Be careful of your wording. Big Brother is watching. I know. And the fact that people have to be afraid of that says what the state of freedom has come to. If soldiers really did fight for freedom, then people like me wouldn't have to worry about that. Besides, everything I mentioned is public information.
USMCHokie Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 The military was constitutionally in their right to refuse to go into that war, because there was no constitutional declaration of war and thus no democratic mandate for the war from the people, yet the military chose to follow a few rogue politicians. Incorrect. The military doesn't actually have any express rights in the Constitution. Keep in mind that each branch of the military is headed by a civilian, with the President as the commander-in-chief. The military can't actually "refuse" to do any lawful order from the President. That's the way the Founders ensured we'd never have a martial state. Now, what is "lawful" is on Congress and the Supreme Court to figure out.
Author HeartOnSleeve Posted March 24, 2011 Author Posted March 24, 2011 Oh please. Those were the guys that went into Iraq when Bush jr. told them to go in, even though Bush wasn't able to get a constitutional declaration of war from congress and a legal mandate from the UN. So a few rogue politicians started a war on their own accord, without a democratic and constitutional mandate. Bush had to go to talk to Greenspan of the Federal Reserve to get the trillions of Dollars to go into Iraq, Greenspan gave him the money in the form of a loan which the people of the US have to pay off with interest. The military was constitutionally in their right to refuse to go into that war, because there was no constitutional declaration of war and thus no democratic mandate for the war from the people, yet the military chose to follow a few rogue politicians. And they tortured for them. But you believe they fight for freedom? Can't believe people believe the propaganda of the elite that the war was fought for freedom. The war in Iraq was fought for 5 reasons only. 1. Greenspan and Bush wanted to take control over an important crossing of oil and gas pipelines in Iraq. Greenspan admitted that this crossing was the very reason for the Iraq war. It was the reason the Federal Reserve gave the funding for an illegal war. 2. Iraq was in the process of selling their oil to France and left the US outside of the game. The US invaded to turn the tables and get that oil. The contracts for Iraqi oil have now been signed with the oil companies from the invading countries. 3. Saddam switched the trade of Iraq's oil to Euro's instead of Dollars. 4. They wanted to drive up the price of oil. War with an oil producing nation drives up the price of oil. 5. Bush had beef with Saddam, because Saddam once threatened his father. Soldiers don't fight for freedom, they kill for the elite, so that the elite can steal whatever they want to steal from other people. I have more respect for soldiers who admit this than the sadists who keep spreading the propaganda about freedom. Neither the elite, the politicians or the military gives a flying f*ck about liberty. Freedom is their enemy. They steal, they lie, they kill. Gravitation....I am choosing not to respond to your comments in depth because I am not asking/talking about politics on here. It's in regards to dating someone in special ops. Thank you for your response but this is very unnecessary. At the very least you could show some respect for those serving and for those that have lost their lives to protect yours and their peers no matter the mission forced upon them! There are plenty of other sites for you to “go off” on like this. The Romantic/dating forum is not one of them.
Graviton Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 The military can't actually "refuse" to do any lawful order from the President. That's not true. The Nuremberg trials established that men of all military ranks may refuse orders if those orders are unlawful or unethical. This was a hot issue during the Nuremberg trials after WWII, because Nazi soldiers used "befehl ist befehl" (an order is an order and cannot be refused) as a justification for what they did. The judges ruled them wrong.
Author HeartOnSleeve Posted March 24, 2011 Author Posted March 24, 2011 You understand that men like that voluntarily sign up to become state funded murderers right? To voluntarily undergo the training that dehumanizes other human beings so that they can kill them requires sadism on the part of the instructors and the men who will be doing the killing. I've never met one that SIGNED UP to be a murderer...give me a break!
Author HeartOnSleeve Posted March 24, 2011 Author Posted March 24, 2011 I primarily dealt with Seals and Force Recon, but had contact with others. Hokie is spot on about the sense of self entitlement. They will take and do whatever they want. Only difference between the officers and enlisted to me, was I could use bigger words with the officers. Hahaha...awesome! Thanks for your input...I will definatly take what you said into consideration
brainygirl Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 I'm not going to claim some expertise with dating military types. My ex husband was a marine who got booted for weight and fitness issues and my parents were Navy enlisted when they met. But its probably best to judge the person you are interested in as an individual rather than lumping him with a group. Watch his behavior towards you and to others, take the relationship slowly.
Graviton Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) I've never met one that SIGNED UP to be a murderer...give me a break! What you think they signed up to ride unicorns on a rainbow? Most soldiers sign up for money. Most men that sign up for the military know they will be trained to kill other human beings. One must be very very naive or uninformed to overlook this very point. And they get paid to do it. I know of soldiers that bragged about how many people they killed and talked about it in a way like they lusted for more. I've also heard a soldier say he joined the military to help speed up evolution through eugenics, i.e. he joined up for the very reason to kill people of other races. Edited March 24, 2011 by Graviton
brainygirl Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 What you think they signed up to ride unicorns on a rainbow? Most soldiers sign up for money. Most men that sign up for the military know they will be trained to kill other human beings. One must be very very naive or uninformed to overlook this very point. And they get paid to do it. Actually, there are lots of duties in the military that have nothing to do with killing. Its well and good to dislike our country's foreign policy or to not approve of recent military actions, but don't deamonize the people who serve. Most don't make much money, they live and work in difficult and dangerous situations away from their homes and families for months at a time.
Author HeartOnSleeve Posted March 24, 2011 Author Posted March 24, 2011 I'm not going to claim some expertise with dating military types. My ex husband was a marine who got booted for weight and fitness issues and my parents were Navy enlisted when they met. But its probably best to judge the person you are interested in as an individual rather than lumping him with a group. Watch his behavior towards you and to others, take the relationship slowly. Agreed....I really like this guy and as of now he seems great with his family, great with his friends (military and non), he is responsive, sweet, and very interested in my life and what I do, he is well educated, passionate, polite and also, so far well adjusted. This is very new for me, so I figured I would ask on here Thanks guys!
USMCHokie Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 That's not true. The Nuremberg trials established that men of all military ranks may refuse orders if those orders are unlawful or unethical. This was a hot issue during the Nuremberg trials after WWII, because Nazi soldiers used "befehl ist befehl" (an order is an order and cannot be refused) as a justification for what they did. The judges ruled them wrong. Correct. Which is why my statement which you quoted had the word "lawful" in it.
Author HeartOnSleeve Posted March 24, 2011 Author Posted March 24, 2011 What you think they signed up to ride unicorns on a rainbow? Most soldiers sign up for money. Most men that sign up for the military know they will be trained to kill other human beings. One must be very very naive or uninformed to overlook this very point. And they get paid to do it. I know of soldiers that bragged about how many people they killed and talked about it in a way like they lusted for more. I've also heard a soldier say he joined the military to help speed up evolution through eugenics, i.e. he joined up for the very reason to kill people of other races. Gravitation...I'm sorry for you that you are meeting these types of people. I feel sad for you that you can't find it in your heart to respect any military personal for everythign they do. The ones you speak of are probably like 2% of them!
Graviton Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) Agreed....I really like this guy and as of now he seems great with his family, great with his friends (military and non), he is responsive, sweet, and very interested in my life and what I do, he is well educated, passionate, polite and also, so far well adjusted. This is very new for me, so I figured I would ask on here Thanks guys! It IS indeed best to make up your opinion about someone individually and not about entire groups. I agree with that. However you mentioned the guy(s) you like claim to fight for freedom. That's what triggered me to go on a rant, because if he claims that, then perhaps he's not as honest and honorable as you think he is. The raw truth of the matter is that a man that is dishonest and that wants to get in your pants is not going to scare you away by telling you the true reason why they do what they do. Instead they tell you what you want to hear, that they fight for freedom. And by the sound of it you ate it like warm cake. I wish you the very best, but don't be surprised if at one point in your life you get to discover a very dark side of such men. I hope you never get to see it. Edited March 24, 2011 by Graviton
GorillaTheater Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I joined the Navy to score foreign chicks. This Declaration of War stuff is hysterical. Out of 200+ plus conflicts we've engaged in over the years, we've actually declared war, what? Four times?
Graviton Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Out of 200+ plus conflicts we've engaged in over the years, we've actually declared war, what? Four times? That rather emphasizes my point. If politicians actually worked for the people, then warmongering politicians would have no trouble whatsoever getting a democratic mandate from the people to go to war, but they've not been getting it throughout history, because they send the military to fight offensive wars on foreign soil. The word "defense" has been skewed to fit their own purposes, it's plain and simple invasion into foreign sovereign nations. And they do it for profit. The military industrial complex makes hundreds of billions from it. The Federal Reserve and the commercial banks make hundreds of billions from it and the oil companies and other resource mining companies make hundreds of billions from it. Money is the name of the game.
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