Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 That's not how xbad boy chaser women think. She realize's that laws stack all the divorce cards in her favor... so she goes to marry the high income guy... with the intention to cheat with the more attractive guy later. This is why men should stay away from women like this and always get a prenup.
GivenUp0083 Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 It's always great when random strangers on the internet know what's best for someone else. I found that irc333's post was a positive contribution to the thread, while your complaints about him reading and recalling what he read on a public blog are ... at least as much noise and thread derailment as this post of mine. It's always great when people call someone out on one thing but fail to realize the very person they defend does the exact same thing. My point is IRC is constantly trying to argue what is best for these women, which is to lower their standards to give him a chance at dating. If you read more of IRC's threads, you'll find them whiny and full of complaining in desperate attempts to gain emotional support for pointing out what HE thinks is ridiculous reasons as to why women are not choosing him as a potential boyfriend. He gets rejected by them, mostly through lack of email response, so he picks apart their profile and speculates to know their mindset only to bash and ridicule their personal preferences, all under the notion that they need to change their thinking because it's impossible to be happy while being single based on his own feelings of inadequecy to find a girl. Right, I recall, "vividly" that this woman was constantly complaining about her on man shortage in her area of the world. That she actually admitted in her profile that she was trying it again, because the men in her area were all college aged, so was taking a shot at another attempt at online dating. She must've added a whining list about 7 or 8, "Don't email me if..." sentences....like "don't email me if you're a player, you play games" same stuff you always see on dating profiles. To the ones that actually complain about their dating situation IN their profile, they should just throw in the towel. They're at the point they should be giving up already OR, perhaps rethinking their dating criteria.
GoodOnPaper Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I think most women do date, even if the guy is less than ideal. She will probably date the non-ideal guy and trade him in for a better option when one comes along. I don't know any women who stay 100% single while waiting for Mr Perfect. I believe it. This concisely but completely sums up my experiences with women as a single guy -- the few times I made it through the attraction filter, I always ended up being the guy that was traded in. My gut reaction to the super-picky guys who have never had GFs is always mixed. On the one hand, their approach seems lonely and unrealistic. On the other hand, I admire that they know what they want and are sticking to it even if it means never having a GF. When I began to panic about being bad at attracting women, I figured that what I wanted would have to take a back seat to simply finding someone who showed some interest in me -- that's not a good approach either.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 This is why men should stay away from women like this and always get a prenup. ... And how do you avoid them? They do their best to blend.
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 That's not how xbad boy chaser women think. I think it's been well established that you have no idea how women of any type actually think. She realize's that laws stack all the divorce cards in her favor... so she goes to marry the high income guy... with the intention to cheat with the more attractive guy later. Here's a reality check: Sure, "Black Widow" type women do exist; they're sociopaths. There are not more female than male sociopaths, as far as I know. It's not the "norm." Though from YOUR perspective it might appear that some woman planned to marry a wealthy man for money, intending to cheat all the while, in many cases this would not be the real situation at all.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I think it's been well established that you have no idea how women of any type actually think. Here's a reality check: Sure, "Black Widow" type women do exist; they're sociopaths. There are not more female than male sociopaths, as far as I know. It's not the "norm." Though from YOUR perspective it might appear that some woman planned to marry a wealthy man for money, intending to cheat all the while, in many cases this would not be the real situation at all. Are you referencing SG's thread? I was correct from the very start... I just put my foot in my mouth by not paying attention and found myself unable to extricate it. Rather than hurt feelings further I just apologized and shut up. In reality I was totally correct, and predicted that dating outcome nearly 2 years ago! So... in truth I've consistently done a fairly good job in understanding how other people think. It's part of what I do for a living. I think there are nearly as many female sociopaths as there are male... they just blend into society better... since we are forced by law to bend knee and cater to their whims. I don't think it really makes a difference if she marries a guy for money and lies to herself about staying faithful until she meets a man to cheat with... or walks into the situation with an understanding that she will cheat. Both situations have the same result.
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 UF, I just think you attribute sociopathy to a broad array of women where it does not actually exist.
Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 ... And how do you avoid them? They do their best to blend. One thing is to avoid women who dated bad boys until one day they all of a sudden wanted to settle down. You can usually tell a woman or man's future by looking at their past.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 UF, I just think you attribute sociopathy to a broad array of women where it does not actually exist. Or... maybe I'm still just really steamed about my xGF being such an Ahole? I can walk around all day and it doesn't bother me... but 5 seconds here and I'm reminded that she benefited from doing something very mean and nasty. I can't decide whether I hate her or pity her. When I confronted her and the guy she was cheating on me with at a hotel bar, luckily my cousin was there to hold me back... otherwise I was going to put him through a table. Skeezy bastard had me drive him around on several occasions because he didn't have a car. You know the hotel actually called security on me? I met them on the way out.
Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Or... maybe I'm still just really steamed about my xGF being such an Ahole? I can walk around all day and it doesn't bother me... but 5 seconds here and I'm reminded that she benefited from doing something very mean and nasty. I can't decide whether I hate her or pity her. When I confronted her and the guy she was cheating on me with at a hotel bar, luckily my cousin was there to hold me back... otherwise I was going to put him through a table. Skeezy bastard had me drive him around on several occasions because he didn't have a car. You know the hotel actually called security on me? I met them on the way out. Boy can I can relate to this. Until they have sat in a courtroom having a room of mostly women looking at them while they were accused of spousal abuse and marital rape plus tons of other small things by the woman that betrayed them they can't judge me. Until she triped on her lies I was being looked at like they wanted to burn me at stake. I shouldn't let this get to me and I know not all women are like this but when I hear women who are doing the same thing come on here and act like the victim when they have to face the slightest bit of fallout from their actions brings it all back up. Going through this was ten times worse than getting shot at because at least then she exposed her true colors.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Boy can I can relate to this. Until they have sat in a courtroom having a room of mostly women looking at them while they were accused of spousal abuse and marital rape plus tons of other small things by the woman that betrayed them they can't judge me. Until she triped on her lies I was being looked at like they wanted to burn me at stake. I shouldn't let this get to me and I know not all women are like this but when I hear women who are doing the same thing come on here and act like the victim when they have to face the slightest bit of fallout from their actions brings it all back up. Going through this was ten times worse than getting shot at because at least then she exposed her true colors. We lived together and she took thousands worth of my stuff and I have no idea what she did with it. She blackmailed me for one of a kind family pictures of me with my deceased grandfather. She told people that I tried to murder her by poison and that I was cheating. Used that to file a restraining order and the police, and landlord would not allow me access to go get my stuff. Actually the police promised to help... but after waiting for 6 hours they never showed. I called them over 10 times and basically just got the run around. I had to get a lawyer to gain access... and by then all but the big stuff was gone... I have no idea where. She told a judge I never had it or that it was a gift to her... Her family paid $20,000 for their little princess to get a lawyer and fight me. The whole system is bull****. I hope she spent 10 years in jail for shooting at you! That is attempted murder! I'm told every guy has to go through this crap a few times. Why? Oh wait... It's all my fault for dating her. Many of the female POV's on this board are so dense and egocentric I struggle to respond civilly. Yeah... some poor guy can't get a date... "F*** him for not being the most confident man in the world". I've never really been in those shoes... but I can at least dredge up some empathy.
Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 She did one year for trying to shoot me but is now doing close to 10 for armed robbery and drug trafficking. It amazes me how some people on here expect us to have no scars left over from these things yet women who are involved in self inflicted drama who actually hurt other people are treated like poor innocent victims.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 She did one year for trying to shoot me but is now doing close to 10 for armed robbery and drug trafficking. It amazes me how some people on here expect us to have no scars left over from these things yet women who are involved in self inflicted drama who actually hurt other people are treated like poor innocent victims. It doesn't amaze me at all. Look at everyone treats men in our society. If your hurt... rub some dirt on it and get back in the game. If your broken... your worthless. There is no help... you either perform to expectation or we kick you aside like trash. This thread is about women over 30. I saw 45 yo women panting and acting like teens at a rock concert at the sight of a shirtless 16yo boy in a movie... Flip the genders and people would consider that totally creepy. Do 30 yo women lack for options? No they don't.... but chasing younger men and married guys shouldn't be acceptable behavior.
SummersEve Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 One thing I have noticed from many who are a bit older (of both sexes) is a very toxic and off-putting bitterness about the opposite sex, which is maybe what some are referring to re the dating site profiles with the "don't mess with me, buster" demands. I'm not even in the market and I can barely stand listening to it. I guess like with anybody else's personal rants, I just want out of the room immediately. So I can imagine it's an extreme turn off for someone looking for a partner. Who wants to go out with somebody who's got it in for your whole gender. I understand that people have been hurt. I just wouldn't want to have to pick up somebody else's pieces.
Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 It doesn't amaze me at all. Look at everyone treats men in our society. If your hurt... rub some dirt on it and get back in the game. If your broken... your worthless. There is no help... you either perform to expectation or we kick you aside like trash. . If you do that then you can't win either. After my divorce I dusted myself off and did great in life and was accused of trying to rub it in her face like it's my fault she's a screwup. She finally faced a judge who let her have it and I am blamed for it. The only thing to do is stop caring and live my life.
Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 One thing I have noticed from many who are a bit older (of both sexes) is a very toxic and off-putting bitterness about the opposite sex, which is maybe what some are referring to re the dating site profiles with the "don't mess with me, buster" demands. I'm not even in the market and I can barely stand listening to it. I guess like with anybody else's personal rants, I just want out of the room immediately. So I can imagine it's an extreme turn off for someone looking for a partner. Who wants to go out with somebody who's got it in for your whole gender. I understand that people have been hurt. I just wouldn't want to have to pick up somebody else's pieces. I understand what you are saying and it goes both ways. I think that people have a hard time understanding what experiencing the worst womankind has to offer does to a man's psyche.
Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I think you guys just hate women and like to make excuses for your nasty attitudes towards them. I was married to a man who regularly stole things, lied to me about his employment, made us move five times in a year, and did his best to isolate me from my family. He hasn't paid child support in months and tends to cancel visitations with his sons on flimsy excuses. But I don't come on these boards and complain that all men and lying, stealing, control freak azzhats who abandon their children. I don't hate women and I know good women exist but I do very much understand and sympathize with bitter men. Men are human beings with emotions as well and I wish more people would understand that.
Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Why would people NOT know that? It doesn't make sense, why sit around playing victim. You were in a bad relationship, she wasn't a very nice person. It ended, you moved on. why the hate and drama towards others? Maybe people know that but on this board some people act like men are not even human beings and should just be emotionless robots. Also I know women hate being generalized but how do you think men feel when we are accused of being cheating dogs or being overgrown and god knows what else? Do you think we like having our gender badmouthed and generalized?
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 One thing I have noticed from many who are a bit older (of both sexes) is a very toxic and off-putting bitterness about the opposite sex, which is maybe what some are referring to re the dating site profiles with the "don't mess with me, buster" demands. I'm not even in the market and I can barely stand listening to it. I guess like with anybody else's personal rants, I just want out of the room immediately. So I can imagine it's an extreme turn off for someone looking for a partner. Who wants to go out with somebody who's got it in for your whole gender. I understand that people have been hurt. I just wouldn't want to have to pick up somebody else's pieces. I'm sorry but people who come off that way on dating websites are socially inept. I know exactly how I sound to other people and I control it. Most guys I know understand this and with effort control their image. With guys you don't run into baggage until later... I think... don't know for sure. Women are more prone to crazy rants and demands on dating sites. Also a bit more upfront about baggage... except the really crazy stuff like massive sexual issues... ect. Anyways... cynicism is part of life. Nobody want's to pick up someone else's mess. But each relationship creates it's own baggage. So... you will be picking up a mess no matter what... it just might be your mess. I understand what you are saying and it goes both ways. I think that people have a hard time understanding what experiencing the worst womankind has to offer does to a man's psyche. I suppose that goes the same way for women. It's just men lend a sympathetic ear.... vs. women who just call you a bitter A**hole. If you do that then you can't win either. After my divorce I dusted myself off and did great in life and was accused of trying to rub it in her face like it's my fault she's a screwup. She finally faced a judge who let her have it and I am blamed for it. The only thing to do is stop caring and live my life. I lived my life before and I am living it now. At some point I won't care like you. For now... I just bury it and soldier on... just like I'm supposed to.
Woggle Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I suppose that goes the same way for women. It's just men lend a sympathetic ear.... vs. women who just call you a bitter A**hole. . If a woman came on here after going through these things and started ranting against men nobody would call her out but we vent a little and are accused of being misogynists.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I think you guys just hate women and like to make excuses for your nasty attitudes towards them. I was married to a man who regularly stole things, lied to me about his employment, made us move five times in a year, and did his best to isolate me from my family. He hasn't paid child support in months and tends to cancel visitations with his sons on flimsy excuses. But I don't come on these boards and complain that all men and lying, stealing, control freak azzhats who abandon their children. Yeah... and I've always been sympathetic to how you feel and your situation. Nice to see your inability to do the same in return. I haven't seen it happen on these boards. Eyes wide shut.
Stung Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Please. You two both take over almost every thread you appear in and make them all about yourselves. UF, for one, has literally called women trashbags, made statements about all American women being bad mothers, and figuratively compared women to slugs. This particular thread was about maturing women over thirty and their dating options in regards to what some view as diminishing attractiveness, and suddenly the last few pages have devolved into calling women gold-diggers, cheaters and psychos who lie and steal money and ruin men's lives. The focus is ridiculously off. THAT is why you are called misogynistic. Brainygirl has similar tales of woe, of being used and hurt and abused and jacked around by her (ex) husband. He continues to hurt her through their KIDS, which is a hurt deeper than most childless posters can quite imagine. She comes here to vent sometimes, and she vents about THE man who hurt her, not every man in America. I was raped, and I had a hard time dealing with it, not too surprisingly. I was angry, and bitter, and hurt, and had difficulty trusting men for a long time. Yet I'm pretty sure that if I came on here ranting and generalizing all men as rapists, the guys on here would be offended--and rightly so. Because that would not only be wrong, it would be offensive, a concept some of you seem to have difficulty grasping. Man, I have grown so sick of the sh*t you guys smear all over these boards. Ever wonder why I am on here less and less?
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Or... maybe I'm still just really steamed about my xGF being such an Ahole? Have you thought about getting therapy to get through some of your anger and bitterness? I am not being insulting or facetious, I am serious. Believe me or not, I can understand. I feel a lot for what both you and Woggle have been through. I am not going to tell you about some of the bad things that I have been through myself, complements of certain men. This thread is not the place for it, and it would serve no purpose, but I promise you that it was extremely bad ... I don't think it was my "fault" for being on the receiving end of abuse, but I certainly came to see the role I played in getting my life to that point, and where the points were (that were, indeed, there) where I could have chosen differently, and many things I "accepted" that lead up to extreme circumstances. I won't call myself a victim. I don't think you should either; in fact, I don't see you as a victim. Whatever happened to you does not justify your completely unacceptable attitudes about women in general. You come off as offensive, but more than that, you are keeping yourself trapped in a very negative cycle. Do 30 yo women lack for options? No they don't.... but chasing younger men and married guys shouldn't be acceptable behavior. You are always proposing what should and should not be acceptable behavior for women. Nobody is going to control what is acceptable for adult women, or for men, except for that person themselves. I don't think that people should go after married folks either; it's frowned upon by our society, but lots of men and women do it anyway. That's on them. Why shouldn't older women "chase" younger men? Traditionally, older men have gone for younger women. Why not the reverse? You like what you like. More power to you if you can get what you like in a partner. You and Woggle shouldn't be high-fiving each other about how screwed over you were, if either of you wants to move on. (I do believe Woggle does, and I have seen no sign that you do.) If you want to move on, spend your guy time with men who have great relationships with their wives, girlfriends, female co-workers, and all kinds of women; men who have good "pickers" and don't have to imagine controlling the entire female gender in order to protect themselves from bad ones.
Woggle Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I make it a point in nearly every post I make to say that I am not talking about all women. Maybe If I started bashing my own gender I would not be called a misogynist. As for the topic of the thread people's traits and personalities become more pronounced as they age and this goes for both genders. If they are positive traits then a person will improve with age and if they negative then they will get worse with age. I actually don't think women lose their looks with age but men as they get older as less likely to fall for a smile and a pretty face. Women who used to be able to get by on their looks without offering much else have a harder time as they age while women who develop other things do much better.
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Please. You two both take over almost every thread you appear in and make them all about yourselves. UF, for one, has literally called women trashbags, made statements about all American women being bad mothers, and figuratively compared women to slugs. This particular thread was about maturing women over thirty and their dating options in regards to what some view as diminishing attractiveness, and suddenly the last few pages have devolved into calling women gold-diggers, cheaters and psychos who lie and steal money and ruin men's lives. The focus is ridiculously off. THAT is why you are called misogynistic. Brainygirl has similar tales of woe, of being used and hurt and abused and jacked around by her (ex) husband. He continues to hurt her through their KIDS, which is a hurt deeper than most childless posters can quite imagine. She comes here to vent sometimes, and she vents about THE man who hurt her, not every man in America. I was raped, and I had a hard time dealing with it, not too surprisingly. I was angry, and bitter, and hurt, and had difficulty trusting men for a long time. Yet I'm pretty sure that if I came on here ranting and generalizing all men as rapists, the guys on here would be offended--and rightly so. Because that would not only be wrong, it would be offensive, a concept some of you seem to have difficulty grasping. Man, I have grown so sick of the sh*t you guys smear all over these boards. Ever wonder why I am on here less and less? High five, sister woman!
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