threebyfate Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I'm not a woman and obviously never will be, so I'll never be in that type of situation. Even the best looking men won't go through that. Obviously, you're not going to be attracted to every single individual of the opposite sex. But, if you're at the point where you're chronically single, you may want to re-evaluate things.As someone who's not chronically single, this isn't my concern. And even when I was single for lengths of time, preferring to date around, it was never my concern. People should be patient when looking for a long-term mate. The more picky they are, the longer it's going to take to find someone compatible. This includes compatibility of chemistry.
Author somedude81 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Posted March 23, 2011 How is it crazy? And what I mean by that is, you think I'm crazy because I didn't feel any sexual attraction to him? See, it's hard for you to understand. Let's try it this way.. You see a woman, you're hot for her. I mean she is perfect in bed, you two have wild hot sex and you can't get enough .. As you get to know her, you find out she's not the brightest bulb in the package, she's got some annoying habits and her social skills are limited. Not long term relationship material, not wife material.. yet, you have such good sex. Yet she has fallen inlove with you, wants to be with you all the time..But, aside from the hot sex, you don't feel the love for her.. Now does that seem crazy? Reverse it and maybe now try to understand. Make sense? Even with that example it's still hard to understand. I can't see why I wouldn't love her. Frankly, if I didn't like her as a person; I wouldn't have sex with her. Now it's my turn to throw in some quasi-biology/sociology. As keeper of the womb, women are instinctually going to be more picky where we're not going to mate with every horn dog around. I understand that concept. But what gets me are the "keepers of the womb" who go past their childbearing years without getting pregnant. In essence they failed at natures mission. What were they waiting for?
threebyfate Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I understand that concept. But what gets me are the "keepers of the womb" who go past their childbearing years without getting pregnant. In essence they failed at natures mission. What were they waiting for?As a woman who's first child is 9 months old at 36 years old, what's your point?
Intricategirl Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 As a man it's not in my best interest to be too picky. Sure I could have a lot of filters and only be into 10% of the female population around me. But if those 10% all reject me, where does that leave me? So there isn't any point in making "you" feel special if there is a chance that "you" would reject me. It's just wasted time and energy. Actually, you're dead on accurate. Evolutionarily, biologically, and all the rest of the scientifically speaking... you nailed it. Men benefit by being open, women benefit by being choosy. Just don't crucify us when we are, huh? And though you're right, that it's a complete waste of energy to make me feel "special", it helps. And special is probably the wrong word. Just don't make me feel interchangeable. In other words, I don't need flowers and never-ending attention. I need a guy that when I ask him what his type is, he can articulate something other than "female".
Author somedude81 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Posted March 23, 2011 As a woman who's first child is 9 months old at 36 years old, what's your point? My point never really was about having children, you brought up the womb thing. Though having a child at 36 is old, odds are it would have happened much sooner for you without modern birth control. My thread is mainly about chronically single women. Or women who do date on occasion who are very selective almost to the point that it ends up hurting them.
whichwayisup Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Even with that example it's still hard to understand. I can't see why I wouldn't love her. Frankly, if I didn't like her as a person; I wouldn't have sex with her. I understand that concept. He didn't turn me on. At all. I was bone dry down there. I don't know how else to explain it but if one isn't sexually attracted to someone else AT ALL, no relationship is going to work. Part I bolded.. I liked him .. Alot .. But couldn't have sex with him because he didn't turn me on. It wasn't his fault, he did nothing wrong. The chemistry just wasn't there. I am trying to understand why you can't understand where I'm coming from? It's not like I had any control over this, trust me, if there was a chance of me 'feeling it down there' for him, we would have been a good couple. Anyway, it was years and years ago.
Content Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Now it's my turn to throw in some quasi-biology/sociology. As keeper of the womb, women are instinctually going to be more picky where we're not going to mate with every horn dog around. I dont think the op was saying have sex with that amount of Men he was saying theyres a limited amount of Men that pass a womens acceptable level looks wise to give a shot at a date and see if theres chemistry as opposed to vice versa Edited March 23, 2011 by Content
threebyfate Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 My point never really was about having children, you brought up the womb thing. Though having a child at 36 is old, odds are it would have happened much sooner for you without modern birth control. My thread is mainly about chronically single women. Or women who do date on occasion who are very selective almost to the point that it ends up hurting them.From my divorce to the time I met my husband, I dated around 8 men, all met in real life. It took around 2 years to find him, including rejecting a lot of dates during this time period. This isn't bragging, it's about being selective. On LS, I used to get bugged about being too picky, where my laundry list went on for miles. Well, as far as I'm concerned, it paid off in spades. I've found a man who not only met my ridiculously high standards but one who exceeded them. So you'll have to forgive me for recommending that women be as picky as they need to be, to find the right guy. It's annoying to hear the silly scare tactics on LS by men who do the breeding years thing. In real life, I've yet to meet a man where if he's schwinging big time for a woman, he's going to give two hoots about breeding years.
Author somedude81 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Posted March 23, 2011 Actually, you're dead on accurate. Evolutionarily, biologically, and all the rest of the scientifically speaking... you nailed it. Men benefit by being open, women benefit by being choosy. Just don't crucify us when we are, huh? That's the hard part. At least I'm trying to get myself to ask why, before I hammer in the first nail And though you're right, that it's a complete waste of energy to make me feel "special", it helps. And special is probably the wrong word. Just don't make me feel interchangeable. In other words, I don't need flowers and never-ending attention. I need a guy that when I ask him what his type is, he can articulate something other than "female". Well, she has to have two eyes and be able to walk Though I must admit, my criteria is a bit broad. So I try to present it in a way that it doesn't seem so. Almost like a false sense of exclusivity. He didn't turn me on. At all. I was bone dry down there. I don't know how else to explain it but if one isn't sexually attracted to someone else AT ALL, no relationship is going to work. Part I bolded.. I liked him .. Alot .. But couldn't have sex with him because he didn't turn me on. It wasn't his fault, he did nothing wrong. The chemistry just wasn't there. I am trying to understand why you can't understand where I'm coming from? It's not like I had any control over this, trust me, if there was a chance of me 'feeling it down there' for him, we would have been a good couple. Anyway, it was years and years ago. Your case is one where I could have used pity. Maybe that's too strong and just say, feel bad. For whatever reason you didn't have a choice on the matter. That's why I asked what should a woman do when a man can be great for her, but she just doesn't feel anything. The best answer is probably to just walk away. From my divorce to the time I met my husband, I dated around 8 men, all met in real life. It took around 2 years to find him, including rejecting a lot of dates during this time period. This isn't bragging, it's about being selective. On LS, I used to get bugged about being too picky, where my laundry list went on for miles. Well, as far as I'm concerned, it paid off in spades. I've found a man who not only met my ridiculously high standards but one who exceeded them. So you'll have to forgive me for recommending that women be as picky as they need to be, to find the right guy. It's annoying to hear the silly scare tactics on LS by men who do the breeding years thing. In real life, I've yet to meet a man where if he's schwinging big time for a woman, he's going to give two hoots about breeding years. So it still can happen for a woman. And no I wasn't trying to use scare tactics. Just trying to think of a logical argument. My place is that of a man who is often passed over by women who are looking for the right guy to meet their admitingly high standards. I'm trying to see the world in a way that doesn't lead to anger and resentment.
persevere Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Most women like men who could be potential fathers to their future children. Someone financially secure who can provide (rich). Most men want a woman who is somewhat nice looking (hot) . The problem is that both are overblown to a high degree. There are lots of really cool guys out there who get shat on because they don't drive nice cars, wear the best clothes or have a dubious living situation (no, not living with their mom). The same guys would do their best to provide, just maybe not afford some of the nicer things. On the same token, there are many women who are really cool but are not the playboy bunnies, with fake ta-ta's, hair, nails, etc. However, they would be great to spend time with and talk hours on end. The problem with today's world, in general, is that folks are attracted to each other for all the wrong reasons. Edited March 23, 2011 by persevere
Titania22 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Well, I can't speak for women, but I think maybe 1 out of 10 is a more realistic number, as opposed to 2 out of 100. And for me, that's about right too. I would have sex with 80 out of 100 women I meet, but a LTR, about 10% I'd say. I'd say 2 out of 100 is a generous estimate.
GooseChaser Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) I've heard other women similarly comment. And I think I know who feels the same way. Why else would she still be single and dateless at 21? First, to add context to this quote, Somedude was talking about picky women, basically. It's from the first page of the thread, I think. Now, to respond! Ahem. Well, I'm not sure if this is about me, even though I fit the description , but... I have my reasons. Time to set the record straight! I know that in the past here I have made myself sound picky. Part of this is because I am a late bloomer, still learning about dating and all that, and still developing as a person. I am considering issues I hadn't thought about much before, which I must be sure about before I continue dating. As I age, I will become more stable and confident, as well as improve my social skills. Also, details of my situation, such as my current school, what I am currently looking for, what is available, my habits, and my future plans also figure into this. My status as being single and dateless at 21 may have an element of selectiveness involved, yes. On the other hand, though, this is also influenced by my surroundings. I am taking classes at a community college. Most of the guys that I have interacted with, up to this point, are either taken or not looking for anything serious with me, the latter which may or may not have anything to do with me. I believe that the main reason is because of our ages-- I am 21, but in my classes right now I am surrounded by people who are often years younger, so that is who I interact with most often. In my experience, often (not always, of course), guys that pursue around my age where I live now are just looking for "fun," and nothing serious. Rest assured, though, I do look around at the guys around me, and though I am not flirting with or pursuing them, I do notice their good qualities and know that there are many great guys among them. In addition, I am actively NOT looking. It isn't long until I will be moving far away from where I am now, so I am mostly keeping to myself and not making much of an effort to meet men. In the near future, when I move on to a four-year university, things will be different. While I wait, though, I am thinking about how I would go about dating, relationships, and all once I was there. Admittedly, I have room to improve-- I am well aware of that-- but I'm working on it. I've identified some of my weaknesses, and I like to think of it as a fun puzzle for me to solve. I will give you this, though. I believe that once I do get into dating again, I will be selective to a fair degree. That is true. I am actually raising my standards, because in the past my standards have actually been too low. I have gone after some guys that were not good for me, and I know that now. The change will be healthy for me. Now, I will be able to make better choices concerning whom I date. Overall, I'm doing well. Life goes on, whether I'm dating or not. No big deal. Edited March 23, 2011 by GooseChaser
Eternal Sunshine Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 As a woman, I like this quote: The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.
LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 It's so tough, that women can smile at a guy, and instantly get a date. Or even get a date without smiling. A guy, on the other hand, has a much harder time.
persevere Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 No kidding. A guy can do his best and rarely instill interest. Also, it's sometimes extremely hard to tell if a woman is interested. A woman, especially in the online dating scene, has little to lose by testing the waters. Even if they have scarce interest in a man, they can still meet them out for dinner of drinks and then fade away. Meanwhile, a guy can go broke at it.
Andy_K Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 So men are attracted to about 50 women in 100, women are attracted to about 2 men in 100, and men are the shallow ones?
Mrlonelyone Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Andy Being shallow means only being attracted to the outer wrapper. It's not like those women are getting to know the deepest innner soul of all the men while the men are only going by looks. A man will take a good decent woman who's looks are anything more than a 5 on a scale of 1-10. While I suppose those women are all only looking for 9's and 10's. I think that is only true of very young women. It's like Chris Rock said in a comedy routine.... Every little girl grows up being told how valuable their pu$$y is but men aren't told how valuable their d1ck is. Or something like that. After dealing with the real world for a while they realize that fairy tales are horse $hit, and will settle for a decent loving generous man instead of prince charming. Edited March 23, 2011 by Mrlonelyone
EasyHeart Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I don't get it -- what's wrong with being picky about who you date? If you're not picky about that, what on Earth should you be picky about? I've never done any numerical studies, but I guess I'm probably physically attracted to 10-15% of the women I see. After weeding out the ones that are too young, too old or too married, that number gets real small real quick. If you're context is online dating, then you may have a point. Online dating is basically a type of shopping, so naturally women have a huge advantage. If you're really an awesome guy, get off of your computer and go connect with real, live women. It's fun!
MarlyStar Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 But what gets me are the "keepers of the womb" who go past their childbearing years without getting pregnant. In essence they failed at natures mission. Why do gay men have sex? They've failed at their biological mission too.
fortyninethousand322 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 There's a difference between finding 80/100 women attractive and actually wanting to date 80/100 women. I too find the vast majority of women attractive. However, when I factor in other things not all of them are women I would actually date, so the number of women that I would date out of 100 is considerably lower than 80. I would think a similar thing happens to women. And no one should be faulted for having whatever standards or criteria they have for choosing a partner. On a personal note, one of my biggest fears is that due to my complete lack of experience I will end up marrying the first woman I ever go on more than 3 dates with, whether she's a good match for me or not. After my most recent setback, I actually think that's exactly what will happen.
brainygirl Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I'd have more sympathy for the OP if I didn't know that he considers only women with model- like looks and figures datable. As to guys - I admit being picky. I feel that at 29 years old, with three children to look out for, a good job that has a small amount of community visibility (high school teacher), and nice property I've accumulated, that I get to be picky about the kind of person I bring around. And women aren't the only picky ones. I freakin rock. I'm cute as heck and fun in bed. But I have three kids, so immediately I am undatable to a large portion of the men I'd be willing to give a chance. So, I'm picky, and their picky, and then there's attraction. I like a man who's not super skinny/string bean but not huge and carrying around a gut either. I can't stand country music or the camo and 4-wheeler culture. I like rock music and goofy movies and tend to be a nerd. So, of the men who I'd seriously date and who would date me, there might not be that many mutual attractions. And then there's the whole issue of how much of my life should I spend looking for a mate? Something I've realized recently is that there's life to be lived, and if I spend my time looking for guys, making sure I'm pretty for guys, spending my time with possible guys, I'm missing the opportunity to - work on my career, pursue my interests, take my kids out to interesting places, contribute to the community around me. I'm not saying I've given up on finding that one, long term love, I've just realized that there are so many more interesting and worthy things I could be doing than agonizing over the fact that people like the OP like to tell me how undatable I really am and how I should lower my standards. The thing they don't get is that it isn't about standards as much as it is about - how do I want to live my life?
Eeyore79 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 to have to constantly reject men she's not attracted to. I don't find that I'm constantly rejecting men. Everyone I work with knows I'm taken, people in my social circle know I'm taken, people who share my hobbies know I'm taken, and therefore nobody hits on me. I'd have to be putting myself out there quite a bit in order to meet strangers who might hit on me because they don't know I'm taken, and since I'm in a relationship I don't really feel the need to go out meeting strangers. When I do go out to a bar or a club, my boyfriend is usually with me anyway, and we're obviously together so nobody hits on me. On the rare occasions when I'm out alone and I meet strangers in a social context, then yes, they do sometimes hit on me. But the situation is easily resolved by saying "Sorry, I have a boyfriend". Tbh that's the easiest way to discourage an admirer even if you don't have a boyfriend! But it's not like I'm fending off armies of men with a stick - a situation in which I might be approached really only arises once every few months.
fortyninethousand322 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I hate to be pessimistic, but I have never heard of an older inexperienced guy share a story of success (unless it's one of those people selling a self help dating product). It has nothing to do with being picky or not. I just think that older inexperienced guys largely (though not all of them of course) have problems attracting women and don't have what it takes to be in a romantic relationship, regardless of looks, personality or any other factors. Why this is I don't know, but from my own real life observances and here on this board this seems to be the case. I'm not going to suggest that anyone give up, because that's really not going to work, but I would suggest finding a trusted person to talk to (either a friend or a professional) because otherwise you're going to make yourself go insane.
Author somedude81 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Posted March 23, 2011 First, to add context to this quote, Somedude was talking about picky women, basically. It's from the first page of the thread, I think. Now, to respond! Ahem. Well, I'm not sure if this is about me, even though I fit the description , but... I have my reasons. Sure why not? I know that in the past here I have made myself sound picky. Part of this is because I am a late bloomer, still learning about dating and all that, and still developing as a person. I am considering issues I hadn't thought about much before, which I must be sure about before I continue dating. As I age, I will become more stable and confident, as well as improve my social skills.A late bloomer eh? In what way? Physically, mentally, socially? From what I've seen, most girls start dating in High School. So it seems a little odd, at least to me, to see a woman in her 20's who isn't. I've been called a late bloomer myself. Not physically or mentally but socially. I've been trying to date girls since I was 16, but nobody wanted me. In my experience, often (not always, of course), guys that pursue around my age where I live now are just looking for "fun," and nothing serious.What's wrong with looking for fun? I don't think women should be looking to meet their husbands when they are that young. In addition, I am actively NOT looking. It isn't long until I will be moving far away from where I am now, so I am mostly keeping to myself and not making much of an effort to meet men. In the near future, when I move on to a four-year university, things will be different.Your situation makes sense. And it's a valid reason for not wanting to date. I did the same thing, going away to a university after I got out of JC. But the girls at the Uni should be open to dating, unless they are graduating soon or something. As a woman, I like this quote: The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark. Heh, it's the complete opposite of how I feel. Well almost. Andy Being shallow means only being attracted to the outer wrapper. It's not like those women are getting to know the deepest innner soul of all the men while the men are only going by looks. A man will take a good decent woman who's looks are anything more than a 5 on a scale of 1-10. While I suppose those women are all only looking for 9's and 10's. You just proved his point Women are the shallow ones. Much more so than men. But that's societies little secret. I don't get it -- what's wrong with being picky about who you date? If you're not picky about that, what on Earth should you be picky about? I've never done any numerical studies, but I guess I'm probably physically attracted to 10-15% of the women I see. After weeding out the ones that are too young, too old or too married, that number gets real small real quick. Being picky is fine. But being so picky that nobody is good enough. That's a problem. I know girls who are only into bishonen type guys. Those men don't exist in real life and of course the girls are single. But as Mr.Lonely mentioned, they are really young and will have to grow out of that phase eventually. It just sucks that I want to date them now and they are only into fantasies. Why do gay men have sex? They've failed at their biological mission too. I agree 110%. I could go on and on about gay men but that's not the point of this thread. I'll just say that it's really frustrating how some women would take a gay man over me. Come on WTF is that about? There's a difference between finding 80/100 women attractive and actually wanting to date 80/100 women. I too find the vast majority of women attractive. However, when I factor in other things not all of them are women I would actually date, so the number of women that I would date out of 100 is considerably lower than 80. I would think a similar thing happens to women. And no one should be faulted for having whatever standards or criteria they have for choosing a partner. You're right that there is a difference. The 80 women will make the first cut based on their appearance. Then you narrow those women down to see who you want to date. While an overly picky woman may only have 5 out of 100 men who make the appearance cut. Then she has to narrow those 5 down to see who she will date. All the while she's automatically passed over a bunch of guys who would like to date her. On a personal note, one of my biggest fears is that due to my complete lack of experience I will end up marrying the first woman I ever go on more than 3 dates with, whether she's a good match for me or not. After my most recent setback, I actually think that's exactly what will happen. I kind of feel the same way. At 29, I still haven't had anything close to a serious relationship. I've heard it's a very bad move to marry your first girlfriend. So it's like I'll have to date a number of girls, then get serious with one. Then end it with her, date some more girls and get serious with one of those. It's like I'm at least 4 or 5 years away from getting married. I'd have more sympathy for the OP if I didn't know that he considers only women with model- like looks and figures datable. And your proof for this claim is where? I'm tempted to post photos of the girls that I've been attracted to. But I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate it. Especially how I would be posting their picture as proof that I'm not only interested in hot girls. Want me to send you a PM with some pictures? You may be surprised. As to guys - I admit being picky. I feel that at 29 years old, with three children to look out for, a good job that has a small amount of community visibility (high school teacher), and nice property I've accumulated, that I get to be picky about the kind of person I bring around. As a mature woman with children you absolutely need to be picky. I'd say you have far more reason to be choosy than some young chick in college.
Mr.Cairo Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I'd have more sympathy for the OP if I didn't know that he considers only women with model- like looks and figures datable. As to guys - I admit being picky. I feel that at 29 years old, with three children to look out for, a good job that has a small amount of community visibility (high school teacher), and nice property I've accumulated, that I get to be picky about the kind of person I bring around. And women aren't the only picky ones. I freakin rock. I'm cute as heck and fun in bed. But I have three kids, so immediately I am undatable to a large portion of the men I'd be willing to give a chance. So, I'm picky, and their picky, and then there's attraction. I like a man who's not super skinny/string bean but not huge and carrying around a gut either. I can't stand country music or the camo and 4-wheeler culture. I like rock music and goofy movies and tend to be a nerd. So, of the men who I'd seriously date and who would date me, there might not be that many mutual attractions. And then there's the whole issue of how much of my life should I spend looking for a mate? Something I've realized recently is that there's life to be lived, and if I spend my time looking for guys, making sure I'm pretty for guys, spending my time with possible guys, I'm missing the opportunity to - work on my career, pursue my interests, take my kids out to interesting places, contribute to the community around me. I'm not saying I've given up on finding that one, long term love, I've just realized that there are so many more interesting and worthy things I could be doing than agonizing over the fact that people like the OP like to tell me how undatable I really am and how I should lower my standards. The thing they don't get is that it isn't about standards as much as it is about - how do I want to live my life? You ladies shouldn't give to the what OP he wants: attention. Somedude81 - Maxtro to be precise - has been on a PUA forum for more than seven years and still, he creates threads about 'how can you tell if a girl is interested in you if she looks at you even if she has no other option because you are right in front of her?' Here's the proof: ''I posted a thread on my latest misadventures with a girl over on a different relationship forum. It basically chronicled my thoughts how I was starting to think that she might be interested but I had been in this situation before and didn’t know if she was just being friendly. Last time it happened to me, the girl ended up having a boyfriend. So how am I supposed to tell if I actually have a chance with a girl? I read bubbly and fun to interact with as potentially interested. So on Monday I suggested that we go get lunch after class but because of the circumstances she couldn't go and rescheduled to today. And once today came it's like she actually got a clue and realized I didn't want to be friends. I wonder if I should just do that. Tell a bitch that I want to **** her. That way she can reject me right then, instead of going on a date then finally getting a clue. It just really sucks thinking that I actually have a chance with a bitch then **** happens. God! I keep finding new ways to fail '' ''She shows up in dance class after missing a few sessions, I say, "Haven't seen you in a while." She looks at me smiles and hugs me. "Yeah I've been sleeping in. After class is over. Me: "Hey you have to come to class next week." Her: "Yeah, I've been slacking off. Are you going to stay for the next class?" Me: "Nope, I got to go." She looks disappointed. Gives me a hug again. "Ok see you." Next time I see her in class I invite her out to lunch and she says that she love to but she can only eat at the dorms since she doesn't have any money. Since I don't dorm, I'd have to pay cash to eat, and I didn't have any on me. We make plans to get lunch after the next class day. Next class, she basically avoids me. Once class is over, I ask her if she still wants to go, and now she's too busy Was she interested, leading me on, clueless? I have no idea.'' http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=182744 So you see, Maxtro(Somedude81), you are bitter beyond belief and that bitterness is caused in some way by the hatred you feel for your lack of options when it comes to women. A woman is a bitch to you? And you wonder why they just want to be friends? Let me tell you something. I'm a guy and I can instantly sense what a man or a woman is all about. You think women - who are more socially developed - can't sense that you are a creep? The reason behind their quick escapade, when you tell them what you want from them, is called 'self-preservation'. I knonw plenty of messed up guys like you, harboring feelings of jealously for the guys women are after and feelings of rage against the women you desire. You seriously need some help, as fast as help. We've established that you hate women, you are bitterly angry at the men who get women, and you are an aspiring PUA(creepy in all it's form) so now it's time for us to 'discover' why you are dateless and will never get a date - with the women you have your eyes set on. Look, Maxtro. I'll be blunt. I'll tell you the truth since someone needs to smack you on the head. 1)You do not look younger than your real age. You look 29 years old. If I can tell, women can do it better. 2)You are average to the point of a green apple being more rare than you. 3)You are 5'6'' which makes you shorter than the shortest people in Europe(The Spanish). 4)You are a bit on the chubby side. 5)Your interests are Anime, manga, and the Japanese gaming scene. 6) You go to college full time. 7)At the age of 26. 8)You have no job. 9)You have no sexual experience/little at that. 10) You are bitter. 11) You are only interested in good looking women. 12)You'd date 80% of the women in your college, your lack of standards are a turn off. Maxtro, the women you are going after are in their late teens and early 20's.. Although there are many attractive women in their 30's, we can say without a doubt that women in ther late teens and early 20's are in very high demand... by equally attractive males. So lets break this down in simple terms so you can understand. Do you think Angelina Jolie married an average joe? Why didn't she marry the guy you went to school with when you were a kid? Maybe because she's drop-dead gorgeous - and married an equally good looking male? Do you have money? Are you famous? Do you have status? What can you offer to the young, attractive women that you crave that much? An obsession with Japanese cartoons? If you were of average height you could have an average girlfriend. Since you're way shorter than pretty much every male from the Western world, you are inferior to most males in appearance. That's why you're having obese women approaching you. You are the male equivalent of the obese woman. Don't you want to be happy and all that? Don't you say that you deserve to have a girlfriend because you are human? You can, buddy. Date the women around your level of beauty - don't try and reach for the stars 'cause only astronauts can set foot on the moon. Most of the time I ignore what you say, but after reading your 'I saw a cute girl on the bus, how do I ask her out?' I realized that you don't have the capacity to realize that women(the vast majority of women), aren't interested in you. Especially the 'girl next door' that you crave so much. Go for the homely girl. You know, that girl who's been watching you getting your head slammed against the door because you chase after what you can't have. Maxtro, stop wasting our time(both here and on any other forum) with 'how can I tell if a woman in her physical prime is interested in a guy who has no money, no job, no established academical education, shorter than most 10 year old kids from Europe, and with an illusion of looking younger than his real age?' You'll probably keep running the same circle until your old age. But at least the people from this forum will know that you are an aspiring PUA. Get some help bro. The mental kind of help.
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