Eternal Sunshine Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 I want to open this up for discussion. For the sake of this post, I will refer to female attractiveness on the scale of 1-10. I have often observed that true stunners, 9s and 10s have men falling at their feet anywhere they go. Not only they get asked out constantly but men want to keep them for LTR and even propose marriage much quicker than to less pretty girls. Personality here is pretty much irrrelevant. Those girls can be dumb, boring, moody - it's all good. Most men dream of being with a stunner from an early age. This phenomenon doesn't extend to merely pretty girls (think around a 7). Sure, men would often date them and have sex with them, but these girls need to compensate for lack of being gorgeous with their personalities. This means that they have to be more entertaining, fun, acrobats in bed etc etc - for them to have a hope of men falling hard. Going down the scale, looking at girls that are 5 or so - the personality has to be outstanding. You get the picture. I have often seen men marry women that are great looking but don't speak a word of English. Obviously, those men only married them for looks and strong preference for certain ethnicity. In closing, sadly the woman's looks are the single most important trait in dating. I have seen plenty of pretty-ish or pretty girls perma-single. I have never seen a true stunner single for any length of time.
Star Gazer Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 In closing, sadly the woman's looks are the single most important trait in dating. I have seen plenty of pretty-ish or pretty girls perma-single. How can both be true?
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted March 12, 2011 Author Posted March 12, 2011 I forgot to ask men on here this: Imagine that you can have a girl that is a 9 or 10. Then imagine that she is a bimbo, that you have nothing in common, that conversation is always strained and you have nothing to talk about. Yet, she is still somehow interested in a LTR with you, even marriage. Would you have a LTR with such a woman?
EmperorR Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 and most of those marriages and relationships end up with infidelity and divorce. The older I get the less I seem to care about looks.
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 So, the talking point is your observation that very beautiful women have a lot of men wanting to date them? They do!
Leeway Harris Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 Sometimes a man can be blinded by a woman's beauty and fail to see all the reasons why it'll never work as a long-term thing with her. It happens more with younger guys, I think. Eventually you learn that looks alone are not enough of a basis, you need some kind of deeper connection for an actual relationship.
somedude81 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 I forgot to ask men on here this: Imagine that you can have a girl that is a 9 or 10. Then imagine that she is a bimbo, that you have nothing in common, that conversation is always strained and you have nothing to talk about. Yet, she is still somehow interested in a LTR with you, even marriage. Would you have a LTR with such a woman? No, she'd be my mistress I'd be fine with a 7 if she had a good personality. Can't forget a nice rack though
Els Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 Meh, the men they're getting won't exactly be prizes themselves. Take a guess what those men will do when the woman's beauty fades at 60? I sometimes think of those girls the same way as I think of rich men married to gold diggers.. with pity.
sniffys Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) i dont really think this goes for a lot of guys:bunny: sometimes i think, most guys go for the woman who has money. on the other hand.. http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=a-pretty-face-or-a-hot-body-09-10-27 Well two PhD students and their advisor, David Buss professor of psychology at the University of Texas at Austin, did force people to make this very choice. They asked 375 college students to pick whether to date someone based on either seeing just their face or their body. Nearly all participants chose to see the face. Except for one of the sexes in one situation. Can you guess which one? Here’s Jaime Confer, one of the student researchers: "Everyone was more interested in the opposite sex person’s face than their body—except for men in the short-term mating condition." Which implies? "When men were evaluating a short-term mate for a one-night stand they showed equal interest in her face and body instead of the face winning by a blowout." For long-term 75 percent of male participants wanted to see the face, but for short-term flings 50 percent of men chose face and 50 percent chose the body. And why would this be? "Because cues of immediate fertility which are more important to a man pursuing short-term relationships are more densely concentrated in her body than in her face. Where as her face may have more cues of reproductive value like age and health." Such as? "Skin and wrinkling gives a cue to her age and her reproductive value. So if I'm going to secure this woman for many years, I want to make sure she’s not at the tail end of the fertility window." Presumably you could tell that by looking at her body, as well? "You could but it might be relatively more concentrated in her face than in her body." And this is not the case in men? "There is not this huge discrepancy in cues that women are interested in, like his good genes cues and good dad cues, health and symmetry. Those are present in face and body equally." Freud famously asked, what do women want. I guess it was clear to him what men wanted. Edited March 12, 2011 by sniffys
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted March 12, 2011 Author Posted March 12, 2011 So, the talking point is your observation that very beautiful women have a lot of men wanting to date them? They do! No, you missed my point completely. The point is that when a woman is 9 or a 10, men don't care how bad her personality is. They would find excuses for anything. She can basically be as dumb and boring as it gets. Men get completely illogical when it comes to women of such beauty. She slept with his best friend? No worries, she had a bad day I knew her for a month? No worries, let's propose so that this stunner doesn't get away
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted March 12, 2011 Author Posted March 12, 2011 BTW What is 7 to you? Can men or women find me a picture of women that they think are a) 6 b) 7 c) 8 I am really curious.
somedude81 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 This site, while a bit of a fun does a decent job of covering the scale. Though I wouldn't have Halle any higher than an 8. Alyssa can stay where she is. 6-8 are the normal girls that are everywhere, at least on my college campus. Every now and then I'd see a 9 or a 10 that just makes me stop in my tracks and just stare. This chick would be a 9 for me. I knew her in jr. college, she was absolutely beautiful in person. Really cool girl too.
Eeyore79 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 No, you missed my point completely. The point is that when a woman is 9 or a 10, men don't care how bad her personality is. They would find excuses for anything. She can basically be as dumb and boring as it gets. Men get completely illogical when it comes to women of such beauty. I've always found it to be the opposite. Men will hit on a hot girl just because they like the way she looks, even if they don't like her personality and don't want a relationship with her. They just want to bang her because she's hot, then dump her. An unattractive girl usually won't be hit on just for sex, because she isn't attractive enough for guys to want sex with her; the only reason any guy would express an interest in her is because he genuinely likes her as a person. So if the unattractive girl gets hit on, the guy probably really likes her and will commit, whereas the majority of guys who hit on the hot girl just want to use her for sex.
I Luv the Chariot OH Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) I have seen plenty of pretty-ish or pretty girls perma-single. I have never seen a true stunner single for any length of time. I disagree with this so. much. One of my hottet friends is definitely a 9 or 10, guys go crazy for her. She was actually asked out by a certain TV celebrity. But she's terrible in relationships, and will constantly be going months to even a year being single. Another one of my hottest friends (a 9, I'd say) has no interest whatsoever in relationships at this point in her life. Guys ask her out but she just turns them all down. Furthermore...it's the less attractove girls I find who are more desperate to do whatever they can to keep a guy/relationship, and will push to get married really early into the relationship (this is a BIG one, I find) or at a really young age. So yea...you're totally wrong about that Edited March 12, 2011 by I Luv the Chariot OH
jane100 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) The question is a reasonable one based on attractiveness. However, I do hate the 1-10 scale that seems to be everywhere on LoveShack. Maybe its an American thing from PUA (pick up artists) and The Game and general culture. A "10" seems to be a porn-star look, or at least conventionally attractive, really not that beautiful I would say. Its horrible and nothing to do with real beauty or attractiveness. If men really go round with this pathetic number thing in their head "she's a 7, an 8 or a 9" well its so superficial and ugly actually that nothing more needs to be said on the subject. Edited March 12, 2011 by jane100
Nexus One Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 i forgot to ask men on here this: Imagine that you can have a girl that is a 9 or 10. Then imagine that she is a bimbo, that you have nothing in common, that conversation is always strained and you have nothing to talk about. Yet, she is still somehow interested in a ltr with you, even marriage. Would you have a ltr with such a woman? No. _____________
EasyHeart Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 I've always found it to be the opposite. Men will hit on a hot girl just because they like the way she looks, even if they don't like her personality and don't want a relationship with her. They just want to bang her because she's hot, then dump her. An unattractive girl usually won't be hit on just for sex, because she isn't attractive enough for guys to want sex with her; the only reason any guy would express an interest in her is because he genuinely likes her as a person. So if the unattractive girl gets hit on, the guy probably really likes her and will commit, whereas the majority of guys who hit on the hot girl just want to use her for sex.I agree with this. Good looks are like a good resume -- they get you noticed, but it's not enough to keep the job. The question is a reasonable one based on attractiveness. However, I do hate the 1-10 scale that seems to be everywhere on LoveShack. Maybe its an American thing from PUA (pick up artists) and The Game and general culture. A "10" seems to be a porn-star look, or at least conventionally attractive, really not that beautiful I would say. Its horrible and nothing to do with real beauty or attractiveness. FWIW, I've never heard a man in RL who is over the age of 12 use a scale to rate women (unless it's being done ironically). It's an idiotic concept because it assumes there is a universal scale of attractiveness and that's just wrong. My 10 may be someone else's 5, and vice versa.
phineas Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 This site, while a bit of a fun does a decent job of covering the scale. Though I wouldn't have Halle any higher than an 8. Alyssa can stay where she is. 6-8 are the normal girls that are everywhere, at least on my college campus. Every now and then I'd see a 9 or a 10 that just makes me stop in my tracks and just stare. This chick would be a 9 for me. I knew her in jr. college, she was absolutely beautiful in person. Really cool girl too. Based on the above site if the sex & personality was fun & no nagging or clingyness i'd take a 5 or 6. But alas even the 5's & 6's I know ignore other 5's,6's,& 7's & will only go after 8's & above.
phineas Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 If men really go round with this pathetic number thing in their head "she's a 7, an 8 or a 9" well its so superficial and ugly actually that nothing more needs to be said on the subject. I personally don't. I think it's retarded. I keep it simple. I either want to have sex with them or I don't. I either want to date them after sex or I don't.
MarlyStar Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) How does anyone know what they are on the 1-10 scale? I know I'm not hideous. I know I have a very nice body because it's measurable and close to the 'golden mean' in waist to hip/bust ratio. I know I dress nicely (simply) in skirts and fitted tops and shoes/sandals (I live in so. florida) with at least a bit of a heel. But I have NO IDEA how my face rates, only that it's not hideous and nobody attracted to me or not would be ashamed to be seen with me. I assume most people are the same; they don't know where they rate either. What's the difference between a 6 and 7? A better scale might be: 1. never, no way 2. if I'm drunk/desperate and only for ONS or short term or FWB 3. okay, I'm willing to settle, but if something better comes along... 4. I'm satisfied and pleased with his/her looks, maybe even proud 5. I'd put up with a lot of crap to get/keep this Personally I'm willing to date in the 3 and 4 category (altho I'd NEVER leave someone because someone better looking came along). I'm would never do a 5 or a 1 or 2. I myself put myself in the 3 or 4 category depending on what a man thinks is attractive in a woman (I have a profile picture up), but I haven't ANY idea at all where I stand on the 1-10 scale? Am I a 5? A 7? I know a guy who thought I was a 10 (I'm not), but he knew me personality wise, etc... Northern European men seem to like my looks better than american men. I think men have more options because almost all will accept a 2 or a 5. But me not being willing to do the same does not make me picky. Picky would be if I only accepted 5 or 4.5+. JMHO. Edited March 12, 2011 by MarlyStar
somedude81 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 The 1-10 scale is mostly used to roughly tell other people how attractive a girl is. The only time I even think of the scale is when I'm posting online. My real scale I use in life is OMG yes! Yes Maybe No thanks Girls are sorted automatically.
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted March 12, 2011 Author Posted March 12, 2011 I think that everybody instinctively knows where they are. I am cursed with being 6.5 which I feel is the reason that no men will ever fall in love with me. My personality is not so hot either.
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 I think that everybody instinctively knows where they are. I am cursed with being 6.5 which I feel is the reason that no men will ever fall in love with me. My personality is not so hot either. Men don't fall in love (long term) because of looks. You can work on your personality. Is this really your very first time posting on LS? You seem to be very, very familiar ...
Author Eternal Sunshine Posted March 12, 2011 Author Posted March 12, 2011 Men don't fall in love (long term) because of looks. You can work on your personality. Is this really your very first time posting on LS? You seem to be very, very familiar ... howdy darling
somedude81 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 Men don't fall in love (long term) because of looks. I can definitely agree to that. The most recent girl that I was completely infatuated with, was roughly a 6.5. But she had a fun goofy personality and all of our interests were the same. Stupid girl rejected me and we haven't spoken since December. I still think about her everyday
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