somedude81 Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Aren't we? Using people isn't exactly nice. If you want everything to be legal, then the worse case scenario is a woman marrying a rich man, insisting on no-prenup, motivates him to get a divorce short time later, and she gets half of everything he owns.
xpaperxcutx Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Aren't we? Using people isn't exactly nice. If you want everything to be legal, then the worse case scenario is a woman marrying a rich man, insisting on no-prenup, motivates him to get a divorce short time later, and she gets half of everything he owns. This scenario would involve the man buying the ring and proposing, and being stupid enough to agree to no pre-nup to begin with. If this was a grown man, he should be well aware of seeking legal protection for his assets. What, he can't even pick up his phone to call his lawyer?
SmileFace Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 If you want everything to be legal, then the worse case scenario is a woman marrying a rich man, insisting on no-prenup, motivates him to get a divorce short time later, and she gets half of everything he owns. Eh, isn't it all bad. Wouldn't someone feel just as bad if they found out someone was only with them for they money or for sex. Isn't it all bad? However when you look at it from a whole. I am pretty sure the outcomes of being used for sex is much worse,but both are equally bad for the individual, if that makes sense.
carhill Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Raise of hands here: How many of your parents, of those who are products of marriages, had a prenuptial agreement? Not mine. Only marriage for my mom, married 32 years until dad's death. Poor socialization for what I faced from 'modern' women. Owned. Evil does not stupid make. Evil stands on its own.
Pyro Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Aren't we? Using people isn't exactly nice. If you want everything to be legal, then the worse case scenario is a woman marrying a rich man, insisting on no-prenup, motivates him to get a divorce short time later, and she gets half of everything he owns. no its not nice at all. It only takes a man using a woman once for a risk of a baby or an STD that has no cure. For your scenario it would take months/years of being stupid and naive in order for all that to occur.
xpaperxcutx Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Aren't we? Using people isn't exactly nice. If you want everything to be legal, then the worse case scenario is a woman marrying a rich man, insisting on no-prenup, motivates him to get a divorce short time later, and she gets half of everything he owns. Raise of hands here: How many of your parents, of those who are products of marriages, had a prenuptial agreement? Not mine. Only marriage for my mom, married 32 years until dad's death. Poor socialization for what I faced from 'modern' women. Owned. Evil does not stupid make. Evil stands on its own. The average income household has no need for prenups. I was merely responding to the bolded.
carhill Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 By my readings, there appear to be a lot of high income, beautiful people who post on LS. They didn't just fall into that money and genetic pit. It came from somewhere. A good pre-nup would have saved me that ten years of life work, which, when you get to your 50's, you'll understand better. I'm just a regular guy with an average income, just like my parents were. Get married, lose some of your life's work and you'll understand better. I recommend it.
xpaperxcutx Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 By my readings, there appear to be a lot of high income, beautiful people who post on LS. They didn't just fall into that money and genetic pit. It came from somewhere. A good pre-nup would have saved me that ten years of life work, which, when you get to your 50's, you'll understand better. I'm just a regular guy with an average income, just like my parents were. Get married, lose some of your life's work and you'll understand better. I recommend it. Sorry CH, but I don't understand. Are you pro or against preups? I'm stating a person who has a significant amount of assets would be stupid to not sign one.
bac Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 What is worse? It is the same. It depends on what you want. If you want to have sex, being used for sex is great. If you can afford to pay for a nice dinner with a beautiful girl, being used for dinner is great as well.
TheBigQuestion Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Sorry CH, but I don't understand. Are you pro or against preups? I'm stating a person who has a significant amount of assets would be stupid to not sign one. Pretty much anyone should sign a prenup nowadays, regardless of how much they actually own or can end up owning.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Unless they're scam artists, how do you easily fork over 10 k of your savings? I understand where you're getting at, but nobody forced a gun to your hand to spend that much on a person. If anything people are too gullible. It's like investing in a Ponzi scam and hoping to get double the returns. If you are getting tricked into sex... then you are doing it WAY TOO FAST! My xGF did take about 10k from me... which is why I picked that particular number. I didn't find out until later she was cheating on me. We had been dating for over a year. I've had tons of women on this website call me gullible and stupid for trusting her. Yet they want guys to pay for all their dates.
xpaperxcutx Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) If you are getting tricked into sex... then you are doing it WAY TOO FAST! My xGF did take about 10k from me... which is why I picked that particular number. I didn't find out until later she was cheating on me. We had been dating for over a year. I've had tons of women on this website call me gullible and stupid for trusting her. Yet they want guys to pay for all their dates. I'm sorry to hear about your ex but her behaviour should not be used to implicate all women. Truthfully, it's sad to hear you've been scarred so deeply. Also, a dinner date is not equivalent to your life savings. To quote pyro It only takes a man using a woman once for a risk of a baby or an STD that has no cure. For your scenario it would take months/years of being stupid and naive in order for all that to occur. Edited March 2, 2011 by xpaperxcutx
Jynxx Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 ***assumption: being used for sex means being talked into having safe and consensual sex*** Sex isn't a zero sum game. It's not like you lose something when you give sex to someone else. In other words, when you realise you've been used for sex the only suffering is emotional suffering. Money is a zero sum game. If you've been used and manipulated into giving up financial equity then you will obviously suffer both financial and emotional pain when you realise this. Hence being used for money is worse than being used for sex.
somedude81 Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Where the heck did the idea come from that we are only talking about dinner dates here? The OP didn't mention dates at all... Yes both men and women can be stupid. The worst possible outcome for being used for sex, is emotional pain. Throwing in pregnancy and birth is irrelevant because those things can happen even if one wasn't used for sex. Also when a guy uses a woman for sex, odds are one of his goals is not to get her pregnant or infect her with something. Even then, it's the woman's responsibility to protect herself. Obviously that goes for the man as well.
xpaperxcutx Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) Where the heck did the idea come from that we are only talking about dinner dates here? The OP didn't mention dates at all... Yes both men and women can be stupid. The worst possible outcome for being used for sex, is emotional pain. Throwing in pregnancy and birth is irrelevant because those things can happen even if one wasn't used for sex. Also when a guy uses a woman for sex, odds are one of his goals is not to get her pregnant or infect her with something. Even then, it's the woman's responsibility to protect herself. Obviously that goes for the man as well. I was throwing dinner dates in there as examples, not as primary reasonings behind this thread. Also given the fact that both men and both should take responsibility, men should be aware that anytime they're taking out their wallet to swipe their AmEx, they're doing it out of free will. As for pregnancy and STD safety, YOU are responsible once the egg goes up the vagina. Edited March 2, 2011 by xpaperxcutx
somedude81 Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 I was throwing dinner dates in there as examples, not as primary reasonings behind this thread. Also given the fact that both men and both should take responsibility, men should be aware that anytime they're taking out their wallet to swipe their AmEx, they're doing it out of free will. Exactly. Both men and women need to take responsibility and try to make sure that they don't get used. As for pregnancy and STD safety, YOU are responsible once the egg goes up the vagina. I hope what you mean by YOU was actually talking to the reader, whether they are a man or woman
Titania22 Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 I haven't read the whole thread. This topic is interesting. I would point out that money is tied to love (positive feelings), in that forget about dates, think about 2 friends, sometimes friends pay their own way, and sometimes 1 friend will offer to pay for something (upsetting the financial balance of the relationship). Generally the person that appreciates the other person more, will be more willing to offer to pay or give gifts more often. My parents and my aunty and uncle are good examples for caring equal amounts but having vastly different economic situations. They keep the balance in the friendship, but if my aunty and uncle take my parents out to eat somewhere frightfully expensive, my parents will reciprocate with a bbq (which they can afford), the dollar value of the gifts are unequal, but the friendship is equal, because it's a meal for a meal, both sides have given, and it wouldn't work if my parents paid at the restaurant (because they can't afford it), and it won't work going to a cheaper restaurant (because the aunty and uncle don't won't to lower themselves to that). Also it is good to note that since ancient times money has been exchanged for sex, so again it is a balanced equation, if say a girl is using to guy to get free stuff, and the guy is using the girl to get sex (or vice versa), then the equation is balanced. And as far as being used for sex is concerned, I think it is often easier to say no to sex, then it is to just not pay for a meal that was already ordered and eaten. Ultimately it is a life lesson for all of us, to learn to not get used for sex or money, or to choose to be used, making you get an unacceptable return for your expenditure. One last thing on money, people have different amounts, to someone with 100K income $100 meal, making seem like nothing, compared to the lovely company and the (supposed) sex he may receive from the outlay, likewise to the person earing $20K a year, a $20 meal may feel like the kings ransom, and hardly worth the company and possibility of sex. Because even though the % is the same in the 2 examples, the person of the low income will be having trouble meeting their basic survival needs.
Anxiety Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 I wish a woman would use me for sex.... so I can better understand what they go through when they fall victim to a player. Yeah. That's it. I always thought being used for sex would be great....but it wasn't. When my exgf was starting to lose interest in me, she would call me and asked me if I wanted to come up. I would go see her, we'd put her daughter to bed, have sex and then she would tell me to leave. I knew I was losing her, and as much as I do love sex, all I wanted was her affection. I wish I could have at least laid in bed with her for a little while afterwards.
Author musemaj11 Posted March 3, 2011 Author Posted March 3, 2011 How many women who think being used for money is better have ever been used for their money? My guess is none of you. It is so dumb for anyone to say that losing money doesn't involve emotional suffering. Such a stupid conclusion can only come from someone who never experienced it. As someone already said, in order to acquiere money, I have to sacrifice my time and energy for every penny of it. So when I 'give' it to someone else, its an emotional gesture of trust from me that that person is worth the time and energy I sacrificed and she is going to appreciate that. So again as someone else already said, when a genuine man gets cheated out of his money, he experiences not only financial loss but also emotional betrayal.
sally4sara Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 How many women who think being used for money is better have ever been used for their money? My guess is none of you. It is so dumb for anyone to say that losing money doesn't involve emotional suffering. Such a stupid conclusion can only come from someone who never experienced it. As someone already said, in order to acquiere money, I have to sacrifice my time and energy for every penny of it. So when I 'give' it to someone else, its an emotional gesture of trust from me that that person is worth the time and energy I sacrificed and she is going to appreciate that. So again as someone else already said, when a genuine man gets cheated out of his money, he experiences not only financial loss but also emotional betrayal. I've been used for my money. It was better than being used for sex. I am not money; I am a person and my body is something very personal to me. If someone uses me for sex, they are also using my time and energy as well being invited into my life. To have someone use that way as tho it was nothing much hurts worse than just being after money. I'm use to people wanting money from me and anyone else they can get it from whether they have services or goods to render in exchange or not.
mortensorchid Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 It's a shame that people are like this, truly it is. If you think about it, most crimes are committed based on sex or money. The motivation in both cases is greed. It's a shame that people are so greedy, and it's a shame that people don't value enough out of others or themselves to not use people for their own means. Which is worse? Hard to say. I'd like to think that I have never used anyone in my life, but they might say otherwise if questioned. It's all perspectives. Some guy years ago told me that he was breaking it off because he felt I did not support his inept music career, even though I never said such a thing. Years later I found him on Facebook and he said he had no recollection of saying anything, because he no longer does music. People say one thing and mean another. Just another attempt at drama.
daphne Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 Silly generalizations. Of course women have been used for money before. I've been used by friends before who felt like I owed it to them because they were in a bad spot and I could easily afford it. My own sister tried to manipulate me into paying for her entire family to come to our father's death bed, threatening not to come if I didn't. So yeah, it happens to women too. Still doesn't remotely compare to feeling like you've been used for sex. One pisses you off. The other can wound you.
Woggle Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 Women use men for sex as well. We live in an age where many women prefer hookups and FWB relationships.
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