Mrlonelyone Posted February 26, 2011 Posted February 26, 2011 Would someone who is serious about finding someone for a relationship, be making plans to go travelling alone for 2 1/2 months during the summertime? Would bringing this up be a good idea seeing as we aren't actually bf/gf? I've met her family and we get along awesome when we're together, but I get the feeling that I want this to work more then she does. If they are making concrete plans to travel alone not just talking about it... that's a bad sign for a relationship. There are allot of people who will do precisely what you describe. I had to have a similar discussion on another dating advice board. Allot of people date someone just to be dating someone and call it "casual".
Author tlind Posted February 26, 2011 Author Posted February 26, 2011 If they are making concrete plans to travel alone not just talking about it... that's a bad sign for a relationship. There are allot of people who will do precisely what you describe. I had to have a similar discussion on another dating advice board. Allot of people date someone just to be dating someone and call it "casual". No, she's just talking about it. But she's mentioned it twice now. Also we met off of eHarmony and not another dating site. I know she's not looking for casual but she said that she likes seeing me and wants to take things slow. Would it be alright if I asked her about this - she did say that I can ask her anything.
Mrlonelyone Posted February 26, 2011 Posted February 26, 2011 If she's talking about leaving for 2 1/2 months .... 4 months from now... then no. Allot can happen in that many month's. In that many months you could have broken up... or grown so close together that you would both go on that long trip together. However if she's talking about this trip, alone, when it's June or July then you have an issue. Right now summer is light years away for such a young relationship.
Author tlind Posted February 27, 2011 Author Posted February 27, 2011 So I'm assuming that this eHarmony girl has written me off. We haven't talked much over the past few days and she's always ending the calls because she's tired. Today was also the first time that I hadn't gotten any response back from her. Maybe she just needs space, busy, etc.., so I'll give her that and see if she'll contact me. If not, plenty of fish...
Author tlind Posted February 28, 2011 Author Posted February 28, 2011 I would like some input from more experienced daters out there on how to proceed: So, we've pretty much stopped communicating over the past couple of days and these were the last of the communications. Friday night I called her and we talked for about 15 minutes, she ended it saying that she was tired, but that she really appreciated that I called to touch base. I texted her asking if all our texting and calling was costing her lots to which she replied "no, it's fine". Saturday morning I texted her "This sucks! I want to be in (name of our city) so I can see you once every couple of days. I really love the time we spend together when we see each other." - no reply Just before going to bed I sent her another text "I'm about to go to bed. I just wanted to say goodnight and I hope you had a great day." - no reply I haven't heard from her all day Friday, so Saturday morning I was worried that something bad had happened to her, so I called her and left a voicemail asking if she could let me know if she was okay because I was worried that something bad had happened to her. She texted back "Hey, I'm fine, I was just busy yesterday." I replied with this text "It's good to hear that everything is okay. I hope the job hunt is going well, feel free to give me a call or text whenever. Not much has changed up here for me." That was at about 11am yesterday and neither of us has contacted the other yet. A few friends are telling me that the ball is in her court so let her contact you and that even texting "Hi" at this point would be enough to ruin it all if I haven't ruined it already with my early phone call. She wanted to take things slow and I can see how I've been to aggressive, but I genuinely want to get to know this girl and if she wants to take things slow I am completely okay with that and will let her dictate the pace she is comfortable with. How should I approach this: Let her contact me? Should I contact her? How can I communicate that I want to go at her pace and not be aggressive anymore. I am new to dating and don't want to screw things up because all of this is still a learning process that I'm going through. We were communicating fairly well before this but now it seems like things have hit a wall.
Author tlind Posted February 28, 2011 Author Posted February 28, 2011 anyone with advice on how to approach this would be much welcomed!
Mrlonelyone Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Do what your friends are saying. Do not message her for at least three days unless she messages you. Look at it this way. If she is into you for real your concern for her wellbeing will be well received. If not then it wasn't meant to be.
lululucy Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Yes, absolutely do what your friends are saying. It sounds like it's a lot of attention for her too soon. She hasn't had enough time to miss talking to you.
baguette Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Agreed. Back off a little bit and see what happens. Also, some times being too "nice" can be a turn off for girls, so as long as she already knows you're not a jerk, then you can tone things down a bit.
Author tlind Posted March 3, 2011 Author Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) I will back off. I didn't realize that I was probably smothering her as we were texting right off the bat and texting a lot. She hasn't personally told me to get lost yet, but it also may be to late. Looking back though, there were hints she was dropping, but I'm not the greatest at picking up on hints. P.S. I ordered her 6 sunflowers that were delivered to her house earlier today (her favourite flower) - I ordered these before the communication was halting. She texted me "That was very thoughtful. They're beautiful. Thank you." I'm assuming if she wasn't interested she wouldn't of even bothered texting me. I'll back off and go do stuff with friends for now and see if she'll text back if she so chooses to do so. Thank you all. Edited March 3, 2011 by tlind
Author tlind Posted March 4, 2011 Author Posted March 4, 2011 UPDATE: So, she thanked me for the sunflowers but she also told me that she's very overwhelmed by events in her life (she told me it had nothing to do with me but about losing a job while trying to find a new one, she's moving out soon, she's a constant worrier about her health, she has unpaid bills). I offered any sort of help that I could but she's a very independent person and said that she needs to do this on her own and would like "alone" time to think about things. On her eHarmony profile page two of her must haves for partners were patience, and autonomy (I believe is what it's called - basically a partner that will give her space to be her own person), so I realize that this may have absolutely nothing to do with me and I told her that I could also be patient and she thanked me for being so understanding. She hasn't told me that things are over and I realize that I've done all I can and I'll respect her wishes for space and being alone, but am I right to be thinking that she's just breaking up with me without actually breaking up with me or could she actually need this time to deal with the stress all these events are causing her? I've met her brother and sister, she's initiated our first kiss last Monday and she said she really likes me and trusts me but now I'm confused as to where I stand with her. Thoughts and opinions from women or men that have been in similar situations?
KingCrimson Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 I think you've ruined it, sorry. You came across too needy and over eager. Too many texts and calls on your part, and also the content of your texts/calls comes across as insecure. And then you sent her flowers on top of that... Just back off. Don't contact her again. Delete her from your phone. She'll call you back if she wants... Personally I'll give a call, and if they don't pick up, I'll send a text(since I hate dealing with voicemails). And leave it at that. And maybe if they don't answer and depending on your chemistry, the number of dates etc.. call back just one more time a day later. but thats it
Author tlind Posted March 4, 2011 Author Posted March 4, 2011 I think you've ruined it, sorry. You came across too needy and over eager. Too many texts and calls on your part, and also the content of your texts/calls comes across as insecure. And then you sent her flowers on top of that... Just back off. Don't contact her again. Delete her from your phone. She'll call you back if she wants... Personally I'll give a call, and if they don't pick up, I'll send a text(since I hate dealing with voicemails). And leave it at that. And maybe if they don't answer and depending on your chemistry, the number of dates etc.. call back just one more time a day later. but thats it The bolded out part is what I'm now realizing. To me the chemistry seemed really good and she was texting back just as much over the past month, it was just over the last week that it's tailed off. As I said I'm new to dating and just thought that was how it happened with the texting and calling. I wouldn't say I'm needy, just new to relationships and dating and figuring out how this dating thing works. The flowers were strictly to cheer her up and no other reason. I suppose that I can use this as a learning experience if I don't hear back from her... which my gut is telling me is what is happening. I was insecure, and I know that now, even though she was always reassuring me that things were okay... self-fulfilling prophecy in the end. In my defence I was 233 pounds two years ago and got no attention from women, now I weight 158 pounds and am starting to get attention. My mind is still trying to catch up to my new image with the insecurity.
mmiller5373 Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 I've been following your story here... and let me say... this reminds of something I went through about 5-6 years ago. Since then, I've learned that you can't act the way that you've been acting. It doesn't work. Calling her after no replies, texting her too much, sending her flowers... those are sure-fire ways to scare her away. She was using you as a backup plan. It was completely obvious. You're Mr. Nice Guy and you've been friend-zoned. There's nothing going on in her life that's affecting her... SHE MET SOMEBODY ELSE. That's what that means. Like I said... 5 years ago I was "dating" this girl... things seemed to be moving along okay (slow, but okay)... when I kinda stopped hearing from her... this put me into panic mode and I thought I was losing her, so I started sending poetry and gifts to her, thinking that that's what a girl wanted... a nice man with heart. I couldn't have been more wrong. It doesn't work. She called to ask me to do her a favor and I jumped to the occasion... then guess what? I didn't hear from her for a week. Big surprise, right? When I texted her to ask what she had been up to and why I hadn't heard from her, I got the whole "I've had a lot happen in my life over the past few years and I'm not ready to date..." BLAH BLAH BLAH BS BS BS. I ended up finding out a few weeks later that she was serious with a Fire Fighter she met the night that I did the favor for her. And don't even get me started on my ex-girlfriend of 2.5 years. See what I'm saying here? You can't put all your eggs in one basket. The more you care, the less they do. It sucks, I know. It's a game. I'm growing tired of it too lol. Desperation and neediness scare them away.
Author tlind Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 Sooooo... She told me that she was free to talk tonight and we did... She ended it. She told me that after losing her job, she's worried about finding a new one, paying her unpaid bills, she has a marathon coming up that she needs to train for and that she basically needs to focus on herself because she doesn't love herself and that she can't love someone and be in a committed relationship until she does love herself. She told me that she didn't deserve all the nice things I was doing for her and all the nice good morning and goodnight texts. She said she would read them and wonder why I would send them because she doesn't deserve it. She said I did absolutely nothing wrong and did absolutely everything right. She told me that she's not going to close me as a match on eHarmony but that she's also not going to go on there ever again and that there isn't another guy involved and that she's not looking. She apologized for a rude text that one of her friends had sent me off of her phone, that it wasn't her and she didn't want me to think that it was. She claimed that she could've just closed me as a match and never talked to me again but that she likes me and wants to give us a chance being friends. That she's not asking me to wait for her because she doesn't know how long it'll be until she's ready and that she would understand if I found someone for myself and wouldn't take it personally. She sounded fairly sad also. I suppose I saw this coming, I think now that I have clarification over this I'm not all worried like I once was. I honestly think that we could be friends (I don't see a reason for her to lie about this).
fortyninethousand322 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Sooooo... She told me that she was free to talk tonight and we did... She ended it. She told me that after losing her job, she's worried about finding a new one, paying her unpaid bills, she has a marathon coming up that she needs to train for and that she basically needs to focus on herself because she doesn't love herself and that she can't love someone and be in a committed relationship until she does love herself. She told me that she didn't deserve all the nice things I was doing for her and all the nice good morning and goodnight texts. She said she would read them and wonder why I would send them because she doesn't deserve it. She said I did absolutely nothing wrong and did absolutely everything right. She told me that she's not going to close me as a match on eHarmony but that she's also not going to go on there ever again and that there isn't another guy involved and that she's not looking. She apologized for a rude text that one of her friends had sent me off of her phone, that it wasn't her and she didn't want me to think that it was. She claimed that she could've just closed me as a match and never talked to me again but that she likes me and wants to give us a chance being friends. That she's not asking me to wait for her because she doesn't know how long it'll be until she's ready and that she would understand if I found someone for myself and wouldn't take it personally. She sounded fairly sad also. I suppose I saw this coming, I think now that I have clarification over this I'm not all worried like I once was. I honestly think that we could be friends (I don't see a reason for her to lie about this). A couple things. From what I read (I read most but not all of the posts) it doesn't sound like you were overly needy or clingy in your texting/phone calls. But, different people have different boundaries. Some like getting phone calls and texts several times a day, others can go 3 or more days without hearing from the person they're dating. Also, I once knew a girl who loved getting texts from me but rarely, if ever texted back. She claimed that she didn't like texting and that she didn't get free texting. When I told her I should stop texting her since she didn't text back she told me she liked getting my texts and that I should still text her because they made her laugh etc. Personally, I think she liked the attention. I don't know what this girl has going on in her life, but, if someone is putting up road blocks that prevent you from getting close to them, that's a sign that you need to run as far away as you can as fast as you can. People like that are either a) not interested or b) have a ton of issues. You need neither of those in your life. My advice is to back away for a while (like a month or more). Get some distance, hang out with friends, go on dates with other people. Then, if you still want to be friends then do so, but not until you get some distance and some perspective on the whole ordeal.
Chicago_Guy Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I am surprised that the eHarmony girl went out with the OP so many times. Most women are not going to understand why a 28-year-old man has never kissed a girl before and are going to automatically assume that something is wrong with him. Even if he did kiss the eHarmony girl, there's no way that he would have known how to kiss her if that was the first kiss he had ever had. I think that the OP is going to need to find a very understanding girl who likes him enough to take things very slow and educate him about women and teach him how to kiss, behave, etc. I am sure that some women may like his innocence. But he is probably going to need to find a woman who is already his friend instead of finding a woman an the Internet, seeing as how many women on the Internet are dating many other guys are more likely to drop someone quickly.
Author tlind Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 A couple things. From what I read (I read most but not all of the posts) it doesn't sound like you were overly needy or clingy in your texting/phone calls. But, different people have different boundaries. Some like getting phone calls and texts several times a day, others can go 3 or more days without hearing from the person they're dating. Also, I once knew a girl who loved getting texts from me but rarely, if ever texted back. She claimed that she didn't like texting and that she didn't get free texting. When I told her I should stop texting her since she didn't text back she told me she liked getting my texts and that I should still text her because they made her laugh etc. Personally, I think she liked the attention. I don't know what this girl has going on in her life, but, if someone is putting up road blocks that prevent you from getting close to them, that's a sign that you need to run as far away as you can as fast as you can. People like that are either a) not interested or b) have a ton of issues. You need neither of those in your life. My advice is to back away for a while (like a month or more). Get some distance, hang out with friends, go on dates with other people. Then, if you still want to be friends then do so, but not until you get some distance and some perspective on the whole ordeal. The bolded area: I know that she's been hurt in the past from a lot of guys. She told me that she slept with one of her matches and that she never heard from him again until she saw that he closed her as a match, among some other things, but that being the worst that I know of. Because of that she's a lot more guarded with her feelings. She has made comments about wondering if people have drugged her drinks or chocolates before and she has taken a self defence class for women, so I often wonder if something really bad happened to her in the past. She's met so many guys off of those sites that she's getting fed up with it. How am I supposed to let her know that I'm not just another number for her, that I wouldn't be one of those people that would hurt her? Whenever I see her smiling and laughing just lowering her guard - that's the girl I want to get to know, but the one with all the defences around her makes it really hard to see that other girl. The italics area: She said she's offering me a chance to be a friend during this time because she does like me and wants to talk to me. She did say that their isn't another guy involved and she wanted to make it clear that she wasn't closing me as a match. I'm thinking that I may have moved a little to fast for her liking and scared her off a bit and that she's offering friendship to maybe see if I really plan on sticking around to truly get to know her. But this could also be wishful thinking and friendship could genuinely be offered. She said that next time I'm in town (I work out of town) that we can go for a coffee and that whenever I'm bored to text her and maybe we can go do something or just catch up. I dunno, the last time I saw her was just over two weeks ago and we kissed and she definitely knows that I want to kiss her again. She said she enjoyed the kiss and couldn't wait to see me again. Then a week later she needs to figure out her life right now and wants to stay friends for now and just ever since losing her job isn't "feeling it" because she doesn't love herself, (she's looking for a new job, has unpaid bills, needs to train for a marathon, has school, is moving into a new place soon) I can see that she might not have time for something serious right now. I did offer to help in any way that I could but all she said was that she needed to do it on her own and thank you for the offer. She's a very independent woman.
Sivok Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Oh god. I just read through this thread, and man do you have alot to learn. 1) You expressed way too much interest and weren't a challenge to her in the least. She's at a position now where she knows she can have you anytime she wants and that's an extreme buzzkill. You're new to this so it's ok, but to a seasoned girl like her... Yeah. 'You're a nice guy but... Let's just be friends' is the worst thing a guy can hear. 2) You sounded wayy too nice, caring, and understanding - she walked all over you. A nice guy can build affection, but if you don't ever bust on her sarcastically or show some sort of higher value, you're never going to build attraction. The fact that the candle comment hurt you is really pitiful, she was being sarcastic - which ultimately proves you two did not share the same sense of humour. You need some thicker skin. 3) You were too available. I'm guessing she was the one who always ended your phone conversations or paused in text convos. Women like a challenge, and you came off as a really needy bore. Now that I laid into you, here's some advice 1 - Keep tension building. End early conversations via text or phone calls earlier than you normally would. She'll be shocked a bit, really enjoyed talking to you, and she'll be thinking about you, wondering when you'll call/contact her next. It seems like this girl here was the one who rode you by the balls and was a master at building tension and anticipation - this should be you. Just a note - anticipation and tension are also the primary factor to pleasing a woman sexually as well, so get used to this concept (it's why women love foreplay). 2 - Be a tease. Girls love a challenge. In conversation be playful, sarcastic, tease her playfully. Women, especially attractive ones, have way too many flower boys and worshippers approaching them nonstop - it's sickening. The man who teases them and doesn't fall to their charm/beauty like a desperate puppy would is the one who will keep her interest the longest. And that whole relationship past bs? Come on man, you aren't her therapist. If a girl complained to me about her life that early on I'd say 'Wow! If I knew I was going to do nothing but sit here and listen to your life problems, I'd be charging you by the hour'. Don't ever say stuff like 'ok i understand you've been hurt, ill wait forever for you.' Instead be like, 'well, it's sounding clear to me that you haven't gotten over your past relationships. That's a personal issue you need to work on, because I'm not going to wait around forever.' ACT LIKE A MAN IN HIGH DEMAND. You put up with way too much of her **** 3 - Be a MAN. Always plan the dates early on and set the locations. Be in control. Do what YOU like to do. Girls generally date different guys moreso than guys date different girls, and there are soo many wimps they go out with that they just bring to their favorite location and have them pay for them - be the exception. Show her you're fun, dominant, and in control. You'll take her by surprise, and hell, you'll be surprised by the results as well. Edited March 10, 2011 by Sivok
Author tlind Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Oh god. I just read through this thread, and man do you have alot to learn. 1) You expressed way too much interest and weren't a challenge to her in the least. She's at a position now where she knows she can have you anytime she wants and that's an extreme buzzkill. You're new to this so it's ok, but to a seasoned girl like her... Yeah. 'You're a nice guy but... Let's just be friends' is the worst thing a guy can hear. 2) You sounded wayy too nice, caring, and understanding - she walked all over you. A nice guy can build affection, but if you don't ever bust on her sarcastically or show some sort of higher value, you're never going to build attraction. The fact that the candle comment hurt you is really pitiful, she was being sarcastic - which ultimately proves you two did not share the same sense of humour. You need some thicker skin. 3) You were too available. I'm guessing she was the one who always ended your phone conversations or paused in text convos. Women like a challenge, and you came off as a really needy bore. Now that I laid into you, here's some advice 1 - Keep tension building. End early conversations via text or phone calls earlier than you normally would. She'll be shocked a bit, really enjoyed talking to you, and she'll be thinking about you, wondering when you'll call/contact her next. It seems like this girl here was the one who rode you by the balls and was a master at building tension and anticipation - this should be you. Just a note - anticipation and tension are also the primary factor to pleasing a woman sexually as well, so get used to this concept (it's why women love foreplay). 2 - Be a tease. Girls love a challenge. In conversation be playful, sarcastic, tease her playfully. Women, especially attractive ones, have way too many flower boys and worshippers approaching them nonstop - it's sickening. The man who teases them and doesn't fall to their charm/beauty like a desperate puppy would is the one who will keep her interest the longest. And that whole relationship past bs? Come on man, you aren't her therapist. If a girl complained to me about her life that early on I'd say 'Wow! If I knew I was going to do nothing but sit here and listen to your life problems, I'd be charging you by the hour'. Don't ever say stuff like 'ok i understand you've been hurt, ill wait forever for you.' Instead be like, 'well, it's sounding clear to me that you haven't gotten over your past relationships. That's a personal issue you need to work on, because I'm not going to wait around forever.' ACT LIKE A MAN IN HIGH DEMAND. You put up with way too much of her **** 3 - Be a MAN. Always plan the dates early on and set the locations. Be in control. Do what YOU like to do. Girls generally date different guys moreso than guys date different girls, and there are soo many wimps they go out with that they just bring to their favorite location and have them pay for them - be the exception. Show her you're fun, dominant, and in control. You'll take her by surprise, and hell, you'll be surprised by the results as well. WOW, I so f*****g needed to read that for some serious perspective! The thing is I knew all of this, yet I still let it happen... and yeah, she generally was the one to end conversations earlier. She did mention once how she "likes a challenge" and I was WAAAAYYYY to predictable... little puppy dog on a leash as my friends told me. Maybe it's not to late with her, but if it is I can learn for the next girl. I'm going to re-read this post over and over to let it sink in. Thank You!! So, how do I turn things around with her and get that attraction back? I mean up until the third date I had her wanting me... She was making comments about how guys never bailed on her during dates, so I was always making comments about needing to use the washroom that was located outside. Then I told her about my lack of experience... total shift of power. Is it to late for this one?
fortyninethousand322 Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 [/u] The bolded area: I know that she's been hurt in the past from a lot of guys. She told me that she slept with one of her matches and that she never heard from him again until she saw that he closed her as a match, among some other things, but that being the worst that I know of. Because of that she's a lot more guarded with her feelings. She has made comments about wondering if people have drugged her drinks or chocolates before and she has taken a self defence class for women, so I often wonder if something really bad happened to her in the past. She's met so many guys off of those sites that she's getting fed up with it. How am I supposed to let her know that I'm not just another number for her, that I wouldn't be one of those people that would hurt her? Whenever I see her smiling and laughing just lowering her guard - that's the girl I want to get to know, but the one with all the defences around her makes it really hard to see that other girl. The italics area: She said she's offering me a chance to be a friend during this time because she does like me and wants to talk to me. She did say that their isn't another guy involved and she wanted to make it clear that she wasn't closing me as a match. I'm thinking that I may have moved a little to fast for her liking and scared her off a bit and that she's offering friendship to maybe see if I really plan on sticking around to truly get to know her. But this could also be wishful thinking and friendship could genuinely be offered. She said that next time I'm in town (I work out of town) that we can go for a coffee and that whenever I'm bored to text her and maybe we can go do something or just catch up. I dunno, the last time I saw her was just over two weeks ago and we kissed and she definitely knows that I want to kiss her again. She said she enjoyed the kiss and couldn't wait to see me again. Then a week later she needs to figure out her life right now and wants to stay friends for now and just ever since losing her job isn't "feeling it" because she doesn't love herself, (she's looking for a new job, has unpaid bills, needs to train for a marathon, has school, is moving into a new place soon) I can see that she might not have time for something serious right now. I did offer to help in any way that I could but all she said was that she needed to do it on her own and thank you for the offer. She's a very independent woman. You're trying to be her boyfriend, you're not trying to get her to run for president. A boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is serious, but not so serious that she can't do all of the things you just mentioned and have a relationship. Seriously, I don't believe in power dynamics in a relationship whether the guy be "in control" etc. But, unless she has SERIOUS issues then she really is not interested. Normal people do not shut people out of their lives when they're interested in them. She may very well want to be friends, but I think the romantic part of this relationship is over. And it should be, for your sake. Do not wait for her, do not contact her for a while, let her be, let yourself be. Move on.
Author tlind Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 You're trying to be her boyfriend, you're not trying to get her to run for president. A boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is serious, but not so serious that she can't do all of the things you just mentioned and have a relationship. Seriously, I don't believe in power dynamics in a relationship whether the guy be "in control" etc. But, unless she has SERIOUS issues then she really is not interested. Normal people do not shut people out of their lives when they're interested in them. She may very well want to be friends, but I think the romantic part of this relationship is over. And it should be, for your sake. Do not wait for her, do not contact her for a while, let her be, let yourself be. Move on. I'm not going to wait for her. I think it was the fact that she was my first kiss and to me that meant something, even if it didn't to her. Also she was the first girl I've technically dated. Anyways, there is this cute waitress at a very small pub next to my house who's always flashing me a big smile whenever she sees me looking at her and I'm thinking of asking her out next time I see her and I even signed up for dancing lessons this afternoon. I think this will be a very good thing for me to help me get over my fear of approaching and talking to women and help me in breaking the "touch barrier." I'm just new to all this and am learning at a very late age. But then again, I've generally always been a procrastinator.
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