angielove Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I have been hit on a number of times by guys who have CLEARLY read "The Game". Quite hilarious. Has this happened to anyone else?
IrishCarBomb Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I have been hit on a number of times by guys who have CLEARLY read "The Game". Quite hilarious. Has this happened to anyone else? Have you read "The Game"? What makes you think that all these guys have read it?
Author angielove Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah of course I've read it - why else would I say that lol! The things they do and say just seem staged/premeditated and pretty much by the book, but I guess I can't know *for sure* that they have read it!
collegeguy_24 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I've read the game, and personally, as a guy, I think its a big joke. THe book should go into the humor section.
snug.bunny Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 It's quite manipulative....These are some of the basics: 1. You can only "game" a woman with whom you are prepared to fail (if you find yourself wanting her too badly, you'll never have her) 2. Exude extreme confidence 3. Demonstrate some kind of value, skill or talent NEAR your target, but not directly to her. Initially, pretend you don't even notice her. 4. Win over her friends 5. Be hard to get 6. Be fun 7. Handle challenges from competing men intellectually and psychologically. Never fight. 8. Respond to any signs that she's not interested as if it were "no big deal" 9. Once you have your target's attention, playfully insult ("neg") her. For example, "I like your hair, is that your natural color?" The more beautiful the woman, the more effective the neg is in garnering interest as they rarely hear comments of that nature. 10. Once attraction has been established, punish any unwanted behavior by withdrawing and disinterest, but do not pout or have an attitude. 11. Alternate between attraction and disinterest signals in a push-pull fashion until rapport is established. It's quoted that "only the naive" are targeted and thus harmed (**in other words - the gentle and trusting**). If I ever discovered someone was into this sort of thing, I would dump his pathetic a## on the spot.
fishtaco Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Glad I didn't buy the book. These are common dating 101 stuff. People actually pay money to learn about this? Some of these points I don't agree with, like playing hard to get (#5), and mixed signals (#11), well, they have their uses, but only in specific situations. Some are basically just observing good etiquette, like don't fight with other guys (#7), don't flip out when women turn you down (#8). Some are pretty much no sh*t Sherlock, like confidence (#2), and be fun (#6), I mean, what? Women want insecure guys that are always depressed? I don't see how these are manipulative. This is about as manipulative as being on your best behavior when you first date someone. Plus women throw crap like this at me all the time. Hot & cold is actually pretty much the standard behavior, hence I said there's a time and place for it, usually when women throw the first punch, then I will reciprocate. Anyway, this is just dating. LS people are saints and never do anything wrong, and are moral neighbors of Jesus. I know. But the real world is different.
Jynxx Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The Game is a novel and a very entertaining read. It's not a manual. There are some techniques in it, but if you just buy and read the book to get those it's a waste of time and money, as there are better and faster to read books for that. Also, I don't see how saying and doing things to make you look more socially comfortable and thus more attractive is any more immoral or pathetic than wearing makeup or a pushup bra.
jane100 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 It's quoted that "only the naive" are targeted and thus harmed (**in other words - the gentle and trusting**). Does the book actually say that? Concerning, I would like to know......
BS76 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 It's quite manipulative....These are some of the basics: 1. You can only "game" a woman with whom you are prepared to fail (if you find yourself wanting her too badly, you'll never have her) 2. Exude extreme confidence 3. Demonstrate some kind of value, skill or talent NEAR your target, but not directly to her. Initially, pretend you don't even notice her. 4. Win over her friends 5. Be hard to get 6. Be fun 7. Handle challenges from competing men intellectually and psychologically. Never fight. 8. Respond to any signs that she's not interested as if it were "no big deal" 9. Once you have your target's attention, playfully insult ("neg") her. For example, "I like your hair, is that your natural color?" The more beautiful the woman, the more effective the neg is in garnering interest as they rarely hear comments of that nature. 10. Once attraction has been established, punish any unwanted behavior by withdrawing and disinterest, but do not pout or have an attitude. 11. Alternate between attraction and disinterest signals in a push-pull fashion until rapport is established. It's quoted that "only the naive" are targeted and thus harmed (**in other words - the gentle and trusting**). If I ever discovered someone was into this sort of thing, I would dump his pathetic a## on the spot. Reads like a Cosmo article. What's your point?
Jynxx Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Does the book actually say that? Concerning, I would like to know...... NO In fact it says quite the opposite.
jane100 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 re. the above, I think it was in a review then. Since my interest has been piqued by this, i have had a look round the internet. Various opinions. However, found the following comments in a newspaper ... Germaine Greer, author of the ground-breaking book The Female Eunuch, said that it "maddened" her that women were susceptible to exploitative men and likened the book's message to "****ing for sport". "I've always told young women who think they are looking for Mr Right that they are really searching for Mr Wrong, because that is who the exciting, charismatic charmer normally turns out to be," she said. "It's profoundly destructive behaviour. If you get raped by a complete stranger in your bedroom it's like being hit by a bus; it is obviously shocking. But if you are raped by someone you think you are being intimate with, which is what it is, then you have been done in, you are badly hurt and it will affect your self-esteem. "Women used to know all the gambits that men might use; now they don't seem to know them. They are so needy for love that they will interpret the most cynical behaviour as affection."
Author angielove Posted February 12, 2011 Author Posted February 12, 2011 I don't see how saying and doing things to make you look more socially comfortable and thus more attractive is any more immoral or pathetic than wearing makeup or a pushup bra. No one is saying that The Game is immoral or pathetic! "Quite hilarious", "big joke", "should go into the humour section", "manipulative", and "observing good etiquette" are descriptions that have been used so far. But just as a side note, you are comparing two very different things - behaviour change vs. change in physical appearance. I agree that some of The Game is just basic dating/flirting/picking up skills. For example, being nice to the target girl's friend and not giving her *all* of your attention is a good idea. All I was saying is that some guys must have specifically read The Game to become a "skilled" PUA, because they use such methods so persistently and aggressively... and tend to go way too far! I find that hilarious. For example, paying all your attention to the "ugly" friend and completely ignoring the target girl, being mean to the target girl, putting the target girl down etc etc.
Woggle Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 What would happen if somebody who read The Rules and somebody who read The Game hooked up?
musemaj11 Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) I own a book similar to 'The Game' called 'The Mystery Method'. I bought it out of curiosity. Personally PUA stuff isnt my cup of tea, but I found the social science-related content of the book interesting. Anyway, only stupid kids follow PUA books rigidly to the letters. Such books are meant to be a guide and you are supposed to improvise. Personally, I dont think 'The Game' and similar books are any different than women's books like 'The Rules' or women's magazines like 'Cosmopolitans'. Edited February 12, 2011 by musemaj11
Author angielove Posted February 12, 2011 Author Posted February 12, 2011 Agreed! All those books and magazine articles are very similar.
snug.bunny Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 I own a book similar to 'The Game' called 'The Mystery Method'. I bought it out of curiosity. Personally PUA stuff isnt my cup of tea, but I found the social science-related content of the book interesting. Anyway, only stupid kids follow PUA books rigidly to the letters. Such books are meant to be a guide and you are supposed to improvise. Personally, I dont think 'The Game' and similar books are any different than women's books like 'The Rules' or women's magazines like 'Cosmopolitans'. I haven't read either books, and Cosmo I haven't read for years. But when I did read it, I don't recall articles that suggested punishment and insults. The content in Cosmo are usually articles such as "signs he's into you", "how to drive him wild in bed", fashion & beauty articles, that sort of thing.
AverageJoe Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 I haven't read the book, going off the bullet points snug posted most of it is kind of true. What is even more true is what BS76 said. I see the same thing in the impulse section of a checkout line, at the super market mass produced geared for women. Chuckle at that girls.
jane100 Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) I haven't read either books, and Cosmo I haven't read for years. But when I did read it, I don't recall articles that suggested punishment and insults. The content in Cosmo are usually articles such as "signs he's into you", "how to drive him wild in bed", fashion & beauty articles, that sort of thing. absolutely. similar female dating book ideas for women are about weeding out idiots and finding true love. depressing that people here are defending this. Edited February 12, 2011 by jane100
dispatch3d Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Gahhhhhh (some) women seem incredibly insensitive to male dating issues. Like I just read a book that gave something like 20 points on how to make friends easily/keep friends/ be social. The book isn't a pickup book. It's geared to lowering anxiety/depression. Looking at that list, a guy who is a "player" (ie. good at being social) would require all of those points to be any good. He would also have to hit on all 12 of those points listed earlier (minus the neg thing, I think that isn't necessary and is stupid). What does a women need? Friends who will drag her to the bar, and to be pretty. That's it. She'll be hit on tons. Harping on the only semidecent (and I mean that, it isn't "great". Reading and attempting to use the "tactics" are going to burn you a lot at the start IMO) advice to guys that its "manipulative". Just think of the problems inherent in writing a book for guys. There are so many more things to worry about/account for and so many more traits that are needed from the guys perspective. It really isn't as simple as going to the bar and looking pretty (which is the general girl strategy, and works OK). To be fair, just going up and talking to as many girls as possible IS a decent strategy. However, dealing with all the rejection involved and still have self esteem? Yeah that requires a pretty selfconfident individual. It's a lot easier to look pretty+reject guys (obviously!). Anyhow time to get off my soap box and stop ranting.
dispatch3d Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 pft I seriously need to chill out. Dating isn't fair; alright I'm over it!
musemaj11 Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) absolutely. similar female dating book ideas for women are about weeding out idiots and finding true love. depressing that people here are defending this. You dont know what you are talking about Jane and obviously you havent read any of the books. These are the THE RULES: 1. Be a “Creature” Unlike Any Other 2. Don't Talk to a Man First (and Don't Ask Him to Dance) 3. Don't Stare at Men or Talk Too Much 4. Don't Meet Him Halfway or Go Dutch on a Date 5. Don't Call Him & Rarely Return His Calls 6. Always End Phone Calls and dates First 7. Don't Accept a Saturday Night Date after Wednesday. 8. Fill Up Your Time before the Date 9. How to Act on Dates 1,2, and 3 10. How to Act on Dates 4 through Commitment Time 11. ALWAYS end the date first 12. Stop Dating Him if He Doesn't Buy You a Romantic Gift for Your Birthday or Valentine's Day 13. Don’t See Him More than Once or Twice a Week 14. No More than Casual Kissing on the First Date 15. Don't Rush into Sex, Wait at Least Three Dates 16. Don't Tell Him What to Do 17. Let Him Take the Lead 18. Don't Expect a Man to Change or Try to Change Him 19. Don’t Open Up Too Fast 20. Be Honest but Mysterious 21. Accentuate the Positive & Other Rules for Personal Ads 22. Don’t Live with a Man (or Leave Your Things in His Apartment) 23. Don't Date a Married Man 24. Slowly Involve Him in Your Family & Other Rules for Women with Children 25. Practice, Practice, Practice! (or, Getting Good at The Rules) 26. Even if You're Engaged or Married, You Still Need The Rules 27. Do The Rules, Even when Your Friends & Parents Think It's Nuts 28. Be Smart and Other Rules for Dating in High School 29. Take Care of Yourself and Other Rules for Dating in College 30. NEXT! & Other Rules for Dealing with Rejection 31. Don't Discuss The Rules with Your Therapist. 32. Don't Break The Rules! 33. Do The Rules and You’ll Live Happily Ever After! 34. Love Only Those Who Love You 35. Be Easy to Live With Finding true love my arse. It sounds more like rules to find a doormat who will do everything you want and buy everything you want. Sounds like the same crap different behinds to me. :rolleyes: Edited February 12, 2011 by musemaj11
dispatch3d Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 jesus here's a guy talking about the rules: To be honest, the female rules seem like how women actually view PUA stuff. Even though PUA stuff is geared primarily at improving guys, and giving them some dating options.
Jynxx Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 jesus here's a guy talking about the rules: To be honest, the female rules seem like how women actually view PUA stuff. Even though PUA stuff is geared primarily at improving guys, and giving them some dating options. OMG can anyone who read that book tell whether or not everything in that video is real?
Titania22 Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 jesus here's a guy talking about the rules: To be honest, the female rules seem like how women actually view PUA stuff. Even though PUA stuff is geared primarily at improving guys, and giving them some dating options. I watched the first 2mins, and if I had to do even half the things on that list to get a guy, then I am quite prepared to stay single and chaste forever. I would have to be too unauthentic, and really I couldn't be bothered.
IrishCarBomb Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 I find it funny that so many people see "The Game" as a pick-up manual. The overarching theme of the book is that there are tactics that will help guys meet women, but they do not fix anything. The best pick-up artists are shown to be the biggest insecure losers in the whole book. Further, Strauss himself even admits that none of his tactics worked when he met a confident woman. Strauss also points out that mastering the pick-up tactics made himself a more boring and shallow person. A person writing a pick-up manual wouldn't include any of these aspects. Yes, there is pick-up advice in there, but if that's all you got out of the book, you only read some select chapters.
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