quietGuy13 Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 I rarely.. yes i do see sometimes, but rarely do i see Beauty/sexy girls with ugly/below average guys. Most times i see hot/sexy/pretty girls with guys that are kindof in their same social status and guys who are slim/fit and tall. So it's kindof disappointing. My time is running out and i'm barely starting to try to socialize.. i'm in early 30's now but soon (in about 9 years) i will be 40. and i'm ugly so ugly + old = uglier. I'm ugly physically and unattractive in personality so I'm pretty much a beast. Maybe that's why pretty girls never even look at me. anyways, do you think Beasts being able to get with a Beauty is for the most part a myth?
Ay Diesel T Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 In South Florida, this holds to be untrue. I see EXTRAORDINARILY beautiful women with guys that are below average on the attractive scale. Maybe these guys have money? I don't know. I'm not ugly, but I can't get the same girls you can't get. What are we doing wrong? Who knows. Just tired of being used as an ego boost. My older brother told me I'm being too shallow, stop looking for it, etc.. But what's wrong with wanting an equally attractive woman as a mate? Ah, totally fed up with the dating game.
cerridwen Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) It is absolutely not a myth. I started a thread awhile back about finding "unattractive" celebrities sexy. It was a silly thread but it had lots of responses from women (99%) who were also attracted to unconventional looking men. I venture to guess among those respondents there were some rather lovely ladies. IRL my two beautiful sisters married below average looking guys. Two gfs date less-than-handsome men. My ex was overweight and of average looks. Yet, he was sex personified in my eyes. What do these men all have in common? Confidence, a wicked sense of humor, and solid employment. Edited February 8, 2011 by cerridwen
Author quietGuy13 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 Which is why the myth will continue to stand "Confidence, a wicked sense of humor, and solid employment." What average guy will have those 3 at once.
zengirl Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 You say you are ugly and have an unattractive personality, why would anyone flock to that? Beauty is still somewhat in the eye of the beholder, but basically everyone wants someone they find attractive and whose personality they like. This is not to say that perhaps 'male beauty' is a bit wider in range (I feel like looking at celebrities illustrates that), particularly made wider by charisma, than female beauty often is. But the range isn't unlimited. And X factors, such as personality, wit, and charisma are involved. (I'm not counting money, because that's an entirely different phenomenon, though yes, you can also buy some hot love, I guess.) I think if you're worrying about just the physical characteristics of people like this --- not whether or not you are attracted to someone, but the hot woman/ugly guy stereotype and looking for it and analyizing it, you're going to get basically nowhere. i'm in early 30's now but soon (in about 9 years) i will be 40. and i'm ugly so ugly + old = uglier. This cracks me up. I'm sorry if I'm laughing at your pain, but in NINE YEARS you will be 40. And you're worrying about it now. In 34 years, I will be 60! And so wrinkly! Time is ticking!
tb24 Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Social proof. You don't see 'ugly people' with beautiful girls because you're affected psychologically by seeing them together. Your perception of the guys attractiveness goes up by being with a pretty girl. He's not actually any better looking, but you will think he is. Oh, this happens to girls too. Enter a bar with a pretty girl on your arm and you suddenly appear more attractive.
Ay Diesel T Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Social proof. You don't see 'ugly people' with beautiful girls because you're affected psychologically by seeing them together. Your perception of the guys attractiveness goes up by being with a pretty girl. He's not actually any better looking, but you will think he is. Oh, this happens to girls too. Enter a bar with a pretty girl on your arm and you suddenly appear more attractive. I need to start employing this tactic.
EasyHeart Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Among my friends and I, our wives and girlfriends all tend to be breathtakingly beautiful: I'm talking former models, TV newscasters, Miss America contestants, plus your typical assortment of former cheerleaders and homecoming queens. But the guys aren't exactly male models -- far from it!!! Chubby and dorking, mostly. But they are smart, successful, charming, confident and -- most importantly --- they treat their women really, really well. Try it.
Disillusioned Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Maybe these guys have money? I don't know. Whaddya mean "maybe"? Do bears poop in the woods? Duh!
lone_island Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 While one has to be stuck with the physical appearance he is born with, one can always improve his personalities. Those instances related to beauties with physically unattractive men, I am sure those men have great personalities that attract them. It has always been said women are attracted not just to good look alone, humor, charisma, talented individuals, adventurous personalities etc all work wonders.
Ay Diesel T Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 While one has to be stuck with the physical appearance he is born with, one can always improve his personalities. Those instances related to beauties with physically unattractive men, I am sure those men have great personalities that attract them. It has always been said women are attracted not just to good look alone, humor, charisma, talented individuals, adventurous personalities etc all work wonders. This may be true, but I started scoring more lays when I became physically attractive. I also started coming across more women who were willing to cheat on their charismatic and charming but physically unattractive boyfriends with me. I also took notice of the very common wandering eyes of a beauty who's got a beast on her arms. She's hugged up with him, undressing me with her eyes. All of this is evidence enough for me. :S
musemaj11 Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Err ... in the movie 'the beauty and the beast', the beast is actually a prince. I'm just saying.
musemaj11 Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 This may be true, but I started scoring more lays when I became physically attractive. I also started coming across more women who were willing to cheat on their charismatic and charming but physically unattractive boyfriends with me. I also took notice of the very common wandering eyes of a beauty who's got a beast on her arms. She's hugged up with him, undressing me with her eyes. All of this is evidence enough for me. :S Women want to have sex with attractive men as much as men want to have sex with attractive women. The only difference is that women put emotional and financial securities first. Everyday I pray that I'm never going to end up w a woman who is w me because she thinks she can take me for granted.
SteveC80 Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 This may be true, but I started scoring more lays when I became physically attractive. I also started coming across more women who were willing to cheat on their charismatic and charming but physically unattractive boyfriends with me. I also took notice of the very common wandering eyes of a beauty who's got a beast on her arms. She's hugged up with him, undressing me with her eyes. All of this is evidence enough for me. :S same here ive been hit on by numerous attatched women with ugly guys Everyone wants a hot person physically deep down and would cheat if the persons hot enough
Ay Diesel T Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Women want to have sex with attractive men as much as men want to have sex with attractive women. The only difference is that women put emotional and financial securities first. Everyday I pray that I'm never going to end up w a woman who is w me because she thinks she can take me for granted. I hear you. When I first whipped into really good shape, I became a bit jaded towards women. Not speaking for all, but some, their true colors came out. It became a reality that most women with unattractive boyfriends/husbands deep down inside, want an attractive man. Some go on living a lie, some lie to their spouses (cheat), and others showed restraint but didn't know when to stop staring. It's wild, these women deserve an Oscar - they're excellent actresses and a good man's worst nightmare. This is why I never put anything past anybody anymore. All it took was me getting in shape to have a wake up call, women are just as bad, if not, worse than men when it comes to infidelity. You think men are bad with staring and being perverted? Women actually go in for a feel...a lot. And they do it under a guise. They'll laugh, then lean forward while laughing and run their hand down your chest. Or cusp part of your arm to get your attention. Or place their hand on your back when you're facing away from them while they talk to you. That's nothing. During Spring Break I was on South Beach shirtless. I've never had my ass grabbed so much in my entire lifetime than I did in those 4 hours I was out there. Women would literally walk by and grope me, some times, while I was talking to other women. People are out of control! My point? Everybody, deep down inside, wishes for a physically attractive mate. Some just can't land one, so they convince themselves that it doesn't matter to them when really it does. That's my theory anyways, it's probably not fact 100%, but there's some truth to it.
SteveC80 Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Women want to have sex with attractive men as much as men want to have sex with attractive women. The only difference is that women put emotional and financial securities first. Everyday I pray that I'm never going to end up w a woman who is w me because she thinks she can take me for granted. Most women are not with their dream men because they cant get them and marry for emotion and financial security The idea women arent visual or shallow is hilarious,take it from a supposed good looking guy they are,womens whole lives are judging and worshiping beauty
SteveC80 Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 I hear you. When I first whipped into really good shape, I became a bit jaded towards women. Not speaking for all, but some, their true colors came out. It became a reality that most women with unattractive boyfriends/husbands deep down inside, want an attractive man. Some go on living a lie, some lie to their spouses (cheat), and others showed restraint but didn't know when to stop staring. It's wild, these women deserve an Oscar - they're excellent actresses and a good man's worst nightmare. This is why I never put anything past anybody anymore. All it took was me getting in shape to have a wake up call, women are just as bad, if not, worse than men when it comes to infidelity. You think men are bad with staring and being perverted? Women actually go in for a feel...a lot. And they do it under a guise. They'll laugh, then lean forward while laughing and run their hand down your chest. Or cusp part of your arm to get your attention. Or place their hand on your back when you're facing away from them while they talk to you. That's nothing. During Spring Break I was on South Beach shirtless. I've never had my ass grabbed so much in my entire lifetime than I did in those 4 hours I was out there. Women would literally walk by and grope me, some times, while I was talking to other women. People are out of control! My point? Everybody, deep down inside, wishes for a physically attractive mate. Some just can't land one, so they convince themselves that it doesn't matter to them when really it does. That's my theory anyways, it's probably not fact 100%, but there's some truth to it. yup women are even creepier then men around good looking people,from what ive seen and been through i dont trust most women
LexiB Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Outside of the usual Hollywood scenario where the "beast" happens to be loaded (Hugh Heffner, anyone?), I think it's a myth. I've never seen a pairing where there was one partner I'd describe as a "beauty" and the other, a "beast." Two beauties, two beasts, two average ppl sure. Mingling between the average and the beauties or the beasts is also a pretty common occurrence, ime. Unions between polar opposites on the attractiveness scale, though? Can't say I've ever seen such a thing in real life. Question OP: when you say you want a "pretty" girl, do you mean hot (the polar opposite of the description you've given of yourself) or just someone who's decent looking/average? Edited February 10, 2011 by LexiB
Author quietGuy13 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Outside of the usual Hollywood scenario where the "beast" happens to be loaded (Hugh Heffner, anyone?), I think it's a myth. I've never seen a pairing where there was one partner I'd describe as a "beauty" and the other, a "beast." Two beauties, two beasts, two average ppl sure. Mingling between the average and the beauties or the beasts is also a pretty common occurrence, ime. Unions between polar opposites on the attractiveness scale, though? Can't say I've ever seen such a thing in real life. Question OP: when you say you want a "pretty" girl, do you mean hot (the polar opposite of the description you've given of yourself) or just someone who's decent looking/average? I totally agree with you. I've yet to see a beauty with a geek/Beast who does not have at least something women like( personality, money, etc). Some of the users here assumed that BEASTs are just unattractive but have all the rest. And yeah... i always see beauties with hot guys for the most part. Or if they're not super hot guys.. they're average or alitttle above. And yeah, when i say i want a pretty girl i usually mean a hot girl who's polar opposite of me or at least some what above me in terms of attractiveness Edited February 10, 2011 by quietGuy13
Eeyore79 Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Everybody, deep down inside, wishes for a physically attractive mate. Some just can't land one, so they convince themselves that it doesn't matter to them when really it does. Hmm. Two of my exes from the last few years were better looking that my current bf, but I still prefer him to them, because they were total idiots who didn't treat me well. My bf is a great guy and I can honestly say I wouldn't trade him for anyone else, no matter how handsome the other guy was. Having said that, my bf isn't totally hideous - he dresses well and is more or less average in terms of looks. I don't think I'd want to date him if he was repulsive. So looks do matter to some extent, but only to the extent that a guy has to be non-repulsive. The point is, I wouldn't trade a guy I have a happy stable relationship with for another guy who was better looking but who wasn't offering the whole package to go along with his looks.
USMCHokie Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Having said that, my bf isn't totally hideous - he dresses well and is more or less average in terms of looks. I don't think I'd want to date him if he was repulsive. So looks do matter to some extent, but only to the extent that a guy has to be non-repulsive. The point is, I wouldn't trade a guy I have a happy stable relationship with for another guy who was better looking but who wasn't offering the whole package to go along with his looks. Looks do matter, but I think it's more important than you lead on here. As I always say, looks get you in the door, but personality keeps you in the house. That is, unless there is occasion for you to be exposed to someone's personality very early on (i.e., he has a paper bag over his head and is wrapped in plastic when you first meet him) or you friendzoned him and gradually became attracted to his personality, then looks are what you will use to first judge a person. Looks are what pique one's curiousity to learn more about a person. You look at someone and think he/she is attractive, so you're interested in learning more about their personality. Have you ever "met" someone's personality and then became interested in what they looked like...? Barring meeting online and waiting on exchanging pictures, it just doesn't happen. I don't understand why people get so defensive about making first impressions based on looks. It's NOT a bad thing!
notsure15 Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 you need to be comfortable with who you are and confident enough to go for hwat youlike. and has anyone heard of double strandards, why does the gf have to be better than you. many many great people out there who want to be cared for irespective of looks !!! great sex, great relationship comes in many different forms.
Tayla Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Reckon for the gents who overgeneralized the female population I will grant you this, That is a beast statement. Unattractive and as my signature implies you are practicing prejudice. THe poster is basically in the stage of allowing the outward looks to determine the value of the person as a whole. Tunnel vision to say the least. The Poster is also overgeneralizing themselves and projecting this out to a public view that is polarized. Black/white. It is or it isnt mentality. I am soo glad to be over the hill and care little about wrinkles or Finding "the one"...when you get there I hope you get to say those words too... Some folks are beautiful inside and not out, Some are beautiful outside and shallow below the skin, Some folks dismiss both and are beautiful simply because they went beyond the social forerays and are just plain okay with who they are. No matter the age, life is filled with mismatches and things that just plum baffle people, It validates love is blind and sometimes its a good handicap to have
Mrlonelyone Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Allot of true post here... too many to name. It's like this. Women want to be able to have their cake and eat it too. * The beast gives them one kind of loving and one kind of interaction...the beauty gives them another kind. In the best of all possible worlds they would want to be able to get both kinds without any consequences. It's a scientific fact... http://www.aolhealth.com/2011/01/11/fertile-women-like-macho-men/ "When they rate men's sexiness, in a sense, that's when (women) show the shift," Gangestad told LiveScience. "If they rate men's attractiveness as a long-term partner, then they don't show it." Researchers interviewed 66 heterosexual couples, with the women ranging in age from 18 to 44 and the relationship lengths from a month to 20 years. Nine of the couples were married. Prior research has found that "macho" males' sex appeal spikes when a woman is ovulating. This is the first to examine whether the phenomenon happens within actual romantic relationships. Biologists who study evolution have put forth the "choosy females" theory -- women are more selective about mates when they're ovulating and are drawn to the one they think is the best, usually as determined by masculinity and physical appearance because those traits signal strength, ability to survive and good genes. "The effects of facial masculinity and attractiveness fit in a larger picture that has emerged," another study author, Christine Garver-Apgar of the University of Colorado, said in a statement. Past research has consistently led scientists to the same conclusion that a shift in sexual interest occurs during ovulation, she said. So beauties will be with beast three weeks out of the month...but will at least think about a beautiful handsome man's sex appeal while they are ovulating. It's worth noting that one psychologist explains away the effect as being nothing more than women fantsizing about what they don't have. No different than men who have a blonde GF fantasizing about a brunet. *Men too be they aren't the subject of this posting.
Eeyore79 Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Looks do matter, but I think it's more important than you lead on here. As I always say, looks get you in the door, but personality keeps you in the house. That is, unless there is occasion for you to be exposed to someone's personality very early on (i.e., he has a paper bag over his head and is wrapped in plastic when you first meet him) or you friendzoned him and gradually became attracted to his personality, then looks are what you will use to first judge a person. I wasn't physically attracted to my bf when I first met him; he asked me out and I turned him down. The attraction only grew when I got to know his personality as a friend, and then suddenly I could see things I didn't see before, like how pretty his eyes were and how cute he was when he smiled. So I guess I judged him negatively based on looks, but changed my mind when I got to know him
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