Author Ay Diesel T Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 Ay Diesel, you are right, Zengirl and I do have a biased opinion of you. It's based on everything you have written on these boards. You come across as being disrepectful to women and, in my opinion, somewhat aggressive when faced with an opinion you don't want to hear. If there's another side to you - perhaps the gentleman you keep talking about - then lets see it. No 'gentleman' I know would have written anything even resembling some of your posts. I'm always prepared to admit that I'm wrong though so keep posting and I'll keep reading. Zengirl and I are both in happy relationships. You're the one who's asking for advice. If you ask for advice on an open forum you have to accept that sometimes you won't like what people say. Older women love you do they? Older women are just as susceptible to a 'charming player' as younger women........but you don't present yourself here as 'charming'. Oh and by the way - I'm an older woman too - been there, done that, worn the t-shirt ............. and all I'm doing is trying to help. Then please, take a different approach.
LittleTiger Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Then please, take a different approach. We can only work with what you give us.
Author Ay Diesel T Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 We can only work with what you give us. Ok, but it shouldn't take delving into my posting history to answer a question. When I ask a question and you hit me with "well you posted here ________ and there ________, oh and ________" what's the point? Are you really that caught up on what I post that you frequent the history? Why take a simple question and make it complicated? All it does is derail the thread, which is what is happening to this thread, and the last one I made. I actually asked a moderator to kill that thread. And I'm telling you, I'm not a player/jerk to women. So you can bury that argument along with your biased "help". Aggressive? You're damn right - cause I'm thoroughly pissed that I can't even seek help on a damn message board without two specific people who won't let up off of what I "implied". How the hell are you going to tell me what I implied? I could've been implying that I like got damn donuts with purple sprinkles on it, you have no idea what I was implying. Look - if you want to help me, leave what you think I "implied" out of it. It doesn't matter to me. But it should matter to you when I'm sitting here telling you that I'm not a player, *******, etc. I don't treat my women like dirt, and I don't see them as disposable, etc etc. So why keep throwing it in my face? If it weren't false I wouldn't keep telling you so. What you and ZG are doing is hounding me. Not cool. And you're both a couple inches away from the ignore list, where S4S is behaving herself. This could all change, if you really want it to. I'm not going to let up, and I'm definitely not going to let two anon posters convince me of what I am not. Your call. I've already made my point clear.
zengirl Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) These all sound like personal issues with yourself. Things that YOU prefer. Well, I do prefer people with integrity, yes. I didn't know that was a personal issue so much as people with integrity prefer other people with integrity sort of thing. 1. I don't see women as disposable, but if a woman walks out of my life, I will get a new one. That isn't a crime, it's called "on to the next one". Certainly it's not a crime to move on. It's the way you phrased it on these message boards, which I addressed in another thread, and you ignored. You said you don't bother putting effort into chasing women or pursuing anyone because: Ay Diesel T says ..because in the back of my mind, I know that if I want a woman, all I have to do is go out and get one. Now, of course, this isn't true, really. Or, if it was, and you were a healthy person, you wouldn't need advice on the situation here. You never would've bothered with this girl. Tigressa's "multi-dating" journal is all about disposable men, and you're not hounding her. Tigress talks about specific dates, so far as I can see. I've no issue with your not liking a particular girl you went on a date with, nor with her doing so. I've never seen her sleep with a guy, or lead a guy on, and then go, "Whatever, man" about it. If she has, I missed it. And what's that got to do with you? You just hate to see a man with the upper hand in the dating game that a young woman so readily exploits on a day to day basis. Read through my posts and you'll find I criticize female posters as well, when I feel they are not behaving with integrity. You'll also find that I say quite often dating isn't a versus and it's not about upper hands. Not healthy relationships. 3. Lax and unclear communication? I made everything cut and clear with the women I've brought up in posts on this board. Lax and unclear to you is pretty cut and dry to a good amount of people I've surveyed IRL, as in, not on this ridiculously miserable board. Asking a girl out without a specific date (as you did here originally with this girl) or not answering a girl when she asks you to hang out is lax and unclear communication. And it's not serving you well. 4. Two days in a row too needy? Of course in regards to that particular women. She is needy. And I know exactly what she's trying to do, that's why I put space in between us. No need to rush things when we've got time. Just because I didn't jump and do what she asked doesn't automatically make me less of a person. Again, I think that girl is needy, yes, but I'm judging YOUR posts and YOUR words as well. Last but not least, leave other posts by me, out of this topic of discussion, as they are irrelevant to the question being asked. They're not, though. They're who you are. Who you are has everything to do with the women you attract. How can you get flakes not to flake? You can't. How can you attract girls who don't flake? Be better. Supposedly, you're handsome as all get-out, so it must be what's inside that's mucking you up. Take a look at it: As far as the double standards sex things, I think these words (yours) are ugly: I wouldn't even call a loose woman a woman to be honest with you, it'd be along the lines of someone who's immature, has zero respect for themselves, etc. As for a male who's sleeping with several different women? To me, it's not so bad. Yeah he may be a bit on the loose side but to be honest, it's the nature of the beast. Men place more value in sex than women do, and naturally inclined to sleep around, as the pickings are slim from the get go - at least for a male. It's the same deal with overweight and ugly women, they usually tend to sleep around as they can barely come by some sex as it is. It's like a homeless man who hordes food when he gets the chance compared to an obese man @ a buffet who just won't stop eating. One is starving, the other is a glutton. Same logic applies to a loose male and a loose woman. So no, I don't think a man who sleeps around is a whore really, he's just getting it while the gettin's good. A bit on trashy side yes, but far from the whore that a loose woman would be. Many other quality women, who, like myself, don't sleep around would think they're ugly too. FWIW. It's not the only time you use 'whore' on this boards (under this screen name or the other). I also think this is pretty ugly (your words again) Yessir! Feminism was a movement for realistic changes, and rights. Misandrists want men and women to be equal in every sense of the word, and that it just never going to happen starting with the fact that we were not created equal. Time to let that go Misandrists! Until you see women as your equal, you deserve whatever flakes you get. As always, YMMV. Ignore me if you like; it's no skin off my back. Not like you'd listen to a woman anyway --- after all, to you, we weren't created equal. I asked you how to avoid women who just want an ego stroke. And the answer to this is: Don't be a guy who leads with his ego, as well as the other thing I said in how to assess women who lead with theirs about asking people out directly. Edited February 8, 2011 by zengirl
Author Ay Diesel T Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Well, I do prefer people with integrity, yes. I didn't know that was a personal issue so much as people with integrity prefer other people with integrity sort of thing. Certainly it's not a crime to move on. It's the way you phrased it on these message boards, which I addressed in another thread, and you ignored. You said you don't bother putting effort into chasing women or pursuing anyone because: Now, of course, this isn't true, really. Or, if it was, and you were a healthy person, you wouldn't need advice on the situation here. You never would've bothered with this girl. Tigress talks about specific dates, so far as I can see. I've no issue with your not liking a particular girl you went on a date with, nor with her doing so. I've never seen her sleep with a guy, or lead a guy on, and then go, "Whatever, man" about it. If she has, I missed it. And what's that got to do with you? Read through my posts and you'll find I criticize female posters as well, when I feel they are not behaving with integrity. You'll also find that I say quite often dating isn't a versus and it's not about upper hands. Not healthy relationships. Asking a girl out without a specific date (as you did here originally with this girl) or not answering a girl when she asks you to hang out is lax and unclear communication. And it's not serving you well. Again, I think that girl is needy, yes, but I'm judging YOUR posts and YOUR words as well. They're not, though. They're who you are. Who you are has everything to do with the women you attract. How can you get flakes not to flake? You can't. How can you attract girls who don't flake? Be better. Supposedly, you're handsome as all get-out, so it must be what's inside that's mucking you up. Take a look at it: As far as the double standards sex things, I think these words (yours) are ugly: Many other quality women, who, like myself, don't sleep around would think they're ugly too. FWIW. It's not the only time you use 'whore' on this boards (under this screen name or the other). I also think this is pretty ugly (your words again) Until you see women as your equal, you deserve whatever flakes you get. As always, YMMV. Ignore me if you like; it's no skin off my back. Not like you'd listen to a woman anyway --- after all, to you, we weren't created equal. And the answer to this is: Don't be a guy who leads with his ego, as well as the other thing I said in how to assess women who lead with theirs about asking people out directly. Appreciate your effort, but you're going straight to ignore. I recommend you place me on yours as well. Your help is not needed. Edited February 8, 2011 by Ay Diesel T
zengirl Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Appreciate your effort, but you're going straight to ignore. I recommend you place me on yours as well. You're help is not needed. Thanks for the recommendation, but I don't use ignore. I find it a childish feature for those who can't take the multitude of opinions that exist on the internet. Anything I need to ignore is covered by the TOS.
carhill Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 What do you propose is the reason why some women act on my level of attractiveness in a negative fashion? I spent a good 1.5 decades pondering such a question and came to the conclusion that my focus was all wrong. My focus should have been, and became, focusing on women who interacted with me in an apparently healthy and positive manner. This did not allow for those who would mask or otherwise obfuscate their true intentions, but it did bring a more balanced dynamic to the interactions. Now it has been refined further to watch for signs of masking, mainly as a result of my M. I see it as people-picking refinement; finding a *compatible* partner/spouse, rather than defining such potentials as 'good' or 'bad'. As an example, an attention whore can be a good partner for a certain subset of people. It can be, for them, a healthy relationship. I've actually seen this work, and work well, so I know it can. Find a matching relationship and personality style *for you*. In your OP here, the way I see it, if you were an egotistical jerk IRL, the lady, if healthy, wouldn't be coming back for more, rather she'd be riding your ass into the sunset like some of the posters here apparently are doing. I've personally *never* experienced a women who hated my guts or disliked my personality or style *ever* coming back for seconds. Just ask my exW and my fMW As an attractive man, you face many of the same issues an attractive woman does, mainly that people often don't view you for who you are, rather through whatever superficial labels they might attach to you. Women on LS complain about this all the time and they, like you, are proud of their beauty and attractiveness. It's normal. Hope it works out.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Ok, but it shouldn't take delving into my posting history to answer a question. When I ask a question and you hit me with "well you posted here ________ and there ________, oh and ________" what's the point? Are you really that caught up on what I post that you frequent the history? Actually, all the members here who post frequently become "known" to one another. Your persona here on Loveshack is known; nobody has to be "caught up" in your posts and you are not being "harassed." And I'm telling you, I'm not a player/jerk to women. Maybe you're not, but you have exhibited a really ignorant attitude towards women here on these fora. I would be surprised if this did not reveal itself in your real life interactions. What you and ZG are doing is hounding me. Not cool. And you're both a couple inches away from the ignore list, where S4S is behaving herself.Is this some kind of a threat? I bet they're both quaking in their dominatrix boots. This could all change, if you really want it to. Are you saying you'll LIKE them if they begin to post in the way you find acceptable? Really? Ay Diesel T, YOU are derailing your own threads. If you don't like the advice you're getting from some of us, by all means do ignore it. By the way, I am an older woman too. For me, your "charms" seem to be counter-effecting.
Author Ay Diesel T Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 I spent a good 1.5 decades pondering such a question and came to the conclusion that my focus was all wrong. My focus should have been, and became, focusing on women who interacted with me in an apparently healthy and positive manner. This did not allow for those who would mask or otherwise obfuscate their true intentions, but it did bring a more balanced dynamic to the interactions. Now it has been refined further to watch for signs of masking, mainly as a result of my M. I see it as people-picking refinement; finding a *compatible* partner/spouse, rather than defining such potentials as 'good' or 'bad'. As an example, an attention whore can be a good partner for a certain subset of people. It can be, for them, a healthy relationship. I've actually seen this work, and work well, so I know it can. Find a matching relationship and personality style *for you*. In your OP here, the way I see it, if you were an egotistical jerk IRL, the lady, if healthy, wouldn't be coming back for more, rather she'd be riding your ass into the sunset like some of the posters here apparently are doing. I've personally *never* experienced a women who hated my guts or disliked my personality or style *ever* coming back for seconds. Just ask my exW and my fMW As an attractive man, you face many of the same issues an attractive woman does, mainly that people often don't view you for who you are, rather through whatever superficial labels they might attach to you. Women on LS complain about this all the time and they, like you, are proud of their beauty and attractiveness. It's normal. Hope it works out. Solid advice. Gonna take off and knock out a 2 mile run, I've got tons to think about.
LittleTiger Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Ok, but it shouldn't take delving into my posting history to answer a question. When I ask a question and you hit me with "well you posted here ________ and there ________, oh and ________" what's the point? Are you really that caught up on what I post that you frequent the history? Why take a simple question and make it complicated? All it does is derail the thread, which is what is happening to this thread, and the last one I made. I actually asked a moderator to kill that thread. And I'm telling you, I'm not a player/jerk to women. So you can bury that argument along with your biased "help". Aggressive? You're damn right - cause I'm thoroughly pissed that I can't even seek help on a damn message board without two specific people who won't let up off of what I "implied". How the hell are you going to tell me what I implied? I could've been implying that I like got damn donuts with purple sprinkles on it, you have no idea what I was implying. Look - if you want to help me, leave what you think I "implied" out of it. It doesn't matter to me. But it should matter to you when I'm sitting here telling you that I'm not a player, *******, etc. I don't treat my women like dirt, and I don't see them as disposable, etc etc. So why keep throwing it in my face? If it weren't false I wouldn't keep telling you so. What you and ZG are doing is hounding me. Not cool. And you're both a couple inches away from the ignore list, where S4S is behaving herself. This could all change, if you really want it to. I'm not going to let up, and I'm definitely not going to let two anon posters convince me of what I am not. Your call. I've already made my point clear. The only way you will take advice from either Zengirl or myself is if we start agreeing with you and that's not going to happen. So I won't waste my time offering you advice in future. Just be aware that listening only to people who tell you what you want to hear will get you nowhere. Everyone here bases their opinion on what they already know about the OP. If they say otherwise, they're not being honest. If my advice is to have any meaning, I can't pretend I haven't read what you've written in the past. I don't believe I derailed anything. I gave my honest opinion on why this woman behaved as she did - you just didn't like what I said. Oh, and you asked me where I got a certain opinion of you - what else could I do but highlight the post you made that gave me that opinion? I'm actually not saying you're a 'player' or a 'jerk', what I'm saying is that is how you come across to me from your posts on LS. I didn't write those posts you did.
iJester Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Keep putting as much passive effort as it takes to sleep with her, then drop her. She's clearly not that interested, so set your expectations low.
elaina Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Background info on the situation: A year and a half ago I met this lovely woman in McDonald's. We exchange numbers, and kept reasonable communication up. We would mention dates, but never actually set something up, and at the time, I was just getting over a pretty big break up with my ex - so a relationship wasn't something in the list of priorities at the time. Even then, with her, I noticed that I'd always be the one making the effort/push for a date. She always remained nonchalant about it, type "whatever I'm down for it" kind of girl. Eventually I got impatient and ended up deleting her number. A couple months down the line we ended up getting back into contact with each other, same story, ended the same way. This time, I deleted her off of my facebook friends. Now, a couple weeks ago she re-added me on facebook. I jokingly wrote on her wall "you again?", she replied " fine..". This got me thinking, so we talked, exchanged numbers. Since then I've already brought up coffee or sushi, as it's been a year and a half since I managed to approach her. She agreed in the same fashion she always does "Yeah sounds nice...". A couple days ago, while texting with her, she told me she was busy and that she'd get back to me - never did. Took note of it, waited about 5 days, then initiated contact with her again. Same non-chalant fashion, but rather with making conversation this time. Eventually she didn't return a text, and I left it alone. What's up? Should I just drop this girl like a hot potato? Done it before but we always manage to get back into contact. She's extremely busy with school, that much I know..but why the whatever attitude about a date? If that's the case, why bother even giving me your number and re-adding me on facebook? Hello, I think you should just realize you're not her top priority right now. Maybe there's somebody else that has her eye, you know? That doesn't mean you're not handsome or a great man; it just means someone got to her first maybe, or maybe she's just not at a place right now timingwise where she wants to get to know you, but either way, I'd say maybe the best thing for you to do is send her a message something like this... "Hi _______. I'd really like to take you out on a date. If/when you're ready, let me know,and if I'm available, I'd be glad to hear from you. Take care. Chao." And then just leave it. If you never hear back from her, ok then. If she gets back to you right away, then she is interested and isn't meaning to just blow you off. As to her behavior, she doesn't sound all there with you, if you know what I mean. When I like a guy who invites me somewhere, I hop up and down and scream to my friends about it lol, and answer back right away and with gusto. Most girls will respond with enthusiasm if you're their crush.
Author Ay Diesel T Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 The only way you will take advice from either Zengirl or myself is if we start agreeing with you and that's not going to happen. So I won't waste my time offering you advice in future. Just be aware that listening only to people who tell you what you want to hear will get you nowhere. Everyone here bases their opinion on what they already know about the OP. If they say otherwise, they're not being honest. If my advice is to have any meaning, I can't pretend I haven't read what you've written in the past. I don't believe I derailed anything. I gave my honest opinion on why this woman behaved as she did - you just didn't like what I said. Oh, and you asked me where I got a certain opinion of you - what else could I do but highlight the post you made that gave me that opinion? I'm actually not saying you're a 'player' or a 'jerk', what I'm saying is that is how you come across to me from your posts on LS. I didn't write those posts you did. For some reason or another, you're a bit more bearable than zengirl, so I'll take the time and effort to address you. All the text in bold in the above quote - I answer "no". No, because none of that is true at all. (Look I even put it in bold, and underlined it for you so you'd understand.) I'm not asking for you to agree, disagree, attack, ignore, fill in the blank with whatever else you may be thinking, etc, with me. I asked your opinion. You gave it. What I didn't ask for was the negative and judgemental tone set forth in all of you and zengirl's posts. There's a way to give advice, and there's a way NOT to give it. You'd do best to take some of my advice, so let's sit down for a second and hear good ol' Ay Diesel T out. In the future, when giving a young man, or woman, some advice - try not to let your emotions, and personal distaste spill out into it. The person you are "advising" will take note of that, and promptly respond with a good amount of distaste of their own IF they have a spine. The advice you gave was very credible but as I said, I picked up on your subtle (lmao) hints of personal upset, and a good amount of bias in the posts. This applies to you, but not as much as it does to zengirl - which is why she's ignored indefinitely. I don't expect it to mean anything to her, which is fine by me, as long as I don't have to be subject to her wonderful words of "neutral" wisdom ( :lmao: ).
LittleTiger Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) The advice you gave was very credible but as I said, I picked up on your subtle (lmao) hints of personal upset, and a good amount of bias in the posts. If you hang around on LS you'll soon realise that there's nothing subtle about my posts. I'm one of the most up-front, direct people here. I don't pull any punches and I respond to a poster based on how I perceive them from what they've written. If you'd come across as a kind, caring and respectful 'gentleman', I'd have responded to you as a kind, caring and respectful 'gentleman'. There are plenty of them on LS and they're usually easy to spot from the first post they make. I've seen a few popping up lately who I hope will stick around. In the same way, my responses to you have been based on the opinion I formed of you when I read your first post. If I come across as angry about something or if I poke fun at what you've said I am free to do so, just as you (and anyone else on LS) are free to express your thoughts and emotions on a thread. I rarely bring 'personal upsets' to any of my posts - unless it's a particularly emotive topic - and there's nothing about your threads that I find personally upsetting. It takes two to have a conversation, just as it takes two to have any kind of relationship - casual or serious. Both people are responsible for how things work out. So you can point the finger at me and call me the bad guy if you like but you chose to interact with me in the manner that you did. I own my side of our 'conversations'. I'm well aware of my own failings. If I believe I've made a mistake when forming an opinion on a poster, I will always apologise. I don't believe I've made a mistake here. Your posts are consistent and have created my 'bias'. I don't need to like a poster, or even pretend to like them to give my honest opinion on their situation and I'm not here to 'make friends and influence people'. I say what I think and the OP can take from it whatever they choose. To return to the topic, I stand by what I've said so far but maybe this will help. Imagine yourself in her position. What would be your motivation for behaving the way she has? Putting yourself in someone elses shoes is often the best way to understand their behaviour. Edited February 9, 2011 by LittleTiger
Author Ay Diesel T Posted February 9, 2011 Author Posted February 9, 2011 Blah blah blah.... Imagine yourself in her position. What would be your motivation for behaving the way she has? Putting yourself in someone elses shoes is often the best way to understand their behaviour. Fixed your post for you, to further help you understand what I mean by neutral advise/posting. My guess would be for either payback due to me ditching her twice already, and/or for an ego boost. Either way it's not healthy, for me at least, as for her - it doesn't matter, at this point I'm indifferent towards her. It'll be on to the next one.
LittleTiger Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Fixed your post for you, to further help you understand what I mean by neutral advise/posting. Are you referring to the 'blah, blah, blah'? Very mature ...........and there is no such thing as 'neutral posting'. You really don't do yourself any favours do you?
Author Ay Diesel T Posted February 9, 2011 Author Posted February 9, 2011 Are you referring to the 'blah, blah, blah'? Very mature ...........and there is no such thing as 'neutral posting'. You really don't do yourself any favours do you? Lol yeaaaaaah, I was referring to that.
dispatch3d Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 It's hard to take advice because both you and Zengirl's posts are biased as hell. You two tell me I'm some ******* player that needs to change his ways. I can't take advice when your general opinion of me isn't even true. So what do you suggest YOU and Zengirl can do here to change the situation (as far as me taking your advice seriously goes)? Because we're just going to go back and forth. Older women love me. And they constantly tell me I'm a sweetheart and a gentleman. So what's up? hahaha man I'm a little saddened you are taking what they are saying to heart. It leaves me a little sad actually, which is why I'm responding. I think you realize their viewpoints of you are warped and unfair. Hell you wrote a huge post about how they are. I can tell from what you say you are a good person, and they areeeeee way off base. The problem is you are feeding them by arguing back and forth. You're really arguing about nothing. I don't want their warped views of you to affect who you are. I'm even slightly saddened you've asked people in real life if these things were true and they said wtf? Not because they said wtf or something (they reacted correctly I'm sure). More that you gave their arguements enough consideration to actually ASK someone if they were valid. They clearly aren't. Anyhow, best of luck man. Don't feed the haters . Oh I'm sure I'll get hated on for that last one. Still, what they are doing is abusive.
dispatch3d Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 I think the reason they are continuing to argue with you is because you are just flat out saying they are wrong. People don't like that. The reason people hate being told they are wrong is because they always have some emotion or feelings attached to their viewpoints. If you say somebody is wrong, then that means the emotions they have attached to that viewpoint are also wrong. The two of them have some emotional interest in their arguements. If they didn't, they would have (like 20 posts ago) given up on it. Because you aren't listening. At some point it switches from trying to give you another point of view to pure abuse. It definitely switched to the latter and I'm really glad to see you put them on ignore. I guess I'm not surprised you did that either. Nice people skills. Anyhow, to avoid this sort of thing stop trying to convince everyone you are right. There's no point. If they want to believe your an evil manipulating player, well there is nothing you can do or say to convince them otherwise. You cannot control their brain; all you can do is understand why they think that, say hey I can see why you may feel that way, and move on. Don't argue with them. They aren't going to bite ever. Furthmore, WELL UNDER 1% of people will actually take good advice, that they believe in/buyinto to a certain extent, and then act on it. That to me is amazing (there were 2 studies in the US done, I wish I should really search for them). Anyhow, with that in mind, what's the use of trying to convince someone they are wrong? I think just giving your own opinion of the world and hoping they bite on some part of it, is the best anyone can really do. I'm pretty sure you are a fairly selfactualized individual. Meaning you are very active, do what you think is important, etc. I've concluded this because you (1) go to the gym regularly, which most people don't do, despite the fact women like you even without that (2) are busy. Maybe I'm wrong though. You do spend a lot of time arguing with people about ideas they will never change, so I don't know. Anyhow, have a good one.
zengirl Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) The two of them have some emotional interest in their arguements. Maybe that's how you argue, dispatch. Not really how I roll. Nothing to do with emotions, or whether the OP thinks I'm wrong. I had something to say, so I said it. The end. Frankly, I would have said it even if the OP had already put me on ignore, and if he says anything ignorant (to me) like his comments in several threads, I'll quote it and highlight it still. It's not really 'for him' --- I just feel a desire to point out what's wrong with ignorance, like his, when I see it. Only way to deal with it in the world. He may not have been "listening" but that doesn't matter to me. I don't stop talking because someone puts their fingers in their ears and says, "Na na na na na na! I'm not listening." Not my style. Edited February 9, 2011 by zengirl
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