Question related to the thread about it being easier for women to get sex/dating

February 4, 2011

We all know how it works. Man asks woman out, pays, intiates most steps in the relationships and then proposes(and gives a large unreciprocated gift when that happens). Is it unfair? Yes. Does it make women more selfish than men? Yes.

You see all these guys complaining but what is the point?

It is NEVER going to change. I can never see a scenario where dating is equally easy for men and is about both partners. Just not going to happen. Just about every relationship favors a woman (even if it is slightly). The reverse scenario does not exist.

So why do women keep on insisting that they have it as hard as men? they don't. Why do men keep complaining that it should be equal when it will never happen? Women will not change their behavior for them. most women don't care about men that much.

February 4, 2011

I agree.

If only I was a woman.

February 4, 2011

Having been stared at, ogled, followed around a bar and hit on by a creepy gay man I can see where women run into some issues a lot of guys don't understand...and I'm completely hetero. I've also been in the uncomfortable position after hearing how into me a woman is to tell her I don't feel that way about her. In the long run relationships can be hard for both men and women.

February 4, 2011

Men and women r not equal.

Men are givers and women are receivers.

Men are taught to take care of someone while women are taught to find someone to take care of her.

Stop being bitter. Just be proud that men are the better, nobler sex.

February 4, 2011

What? Who are you to tell me I don't care about my dad, my male friends and my partner? I care about them a lot and I sure care about their happiness. I care about their happiness as much as I care about my mom's, my sister's and my female friend's happiness.

I appreciate the thing bf does for me in my relationship and he appreciates what I do. It isn't a competition. It's a partnership. Until you understand that, you're going to keep keeping score all while losing at the game.

February 4, 2011

Men are taught to take care of someone while women are taught to find someone to take care of her.

Discredited... Women tend to be the primary caretaker of children. I'd say that makes them givers.

Add to the that the fact women do on average 12 hours more a month of house work, and I'd say women are standing pretty generous.

But I agree. Stop the pity party guys. We're all deserve respect, regardless of our sex.

February 4, 2011

Discredited... Women tend to be the primary caretaker of children. I'd say that makes them givers.

Add to the that the fact women do on average 12 hours more a month of house work, and I'd say women are standing pretty generous.

But I agree. Stop the pity party guys. We're all deserve respect, regardless of our sex.

What about when guys come home and still have to do crap, like take out the garbage and fix fences, sit and talk with their spouse how their day went, extra?

February 4, 2011

We all know how it works. Man asks woman out, pays, intiates most steps in the relationships and then proposes(and gives a large unreciprocated gift when that happens). Is it unfair? Yes. Does it make women more selfish than men? Yes.

You see all these guys complaining but what is the point?

It is NEVER going to change. I can never see a scenario where dating is equally easy for men and is about both partners. Just not going to happen. Just about every relationship favors a woman (even if it is slightly). The reverse scenario does not exist.

So why do women keep on insisting that they have it as hard as men? they don't. Why do men keep complaining that it should be equal when it will never happen? Women will not change their behavior for them. most women don't care about men that much.

Well, it's very much changed where I live. Men don't pay for dates (people go dutch), expenses for engagement and wedding rings are often shared, women initiate dates, and they also propose. So the idea that things can never change has no basis in real life.

As to the other comment here about women not giving, I agree with Kamille. Women have been primary care takers of children as well as old people for centuries. In many poor societies, women give children and their husbands food before they eat themselves. And many people work full time and do ALL the house work. So I'm not sure what you're talking about, really

February 4, 2011

What about when guys come home and still have to do crap, like take out the garbage and fix fences, sit and talk with their spouse how their day went, extra?

When women come home from work, some of the things they do are cook dinner, wash the kids, do laundry, do gardening, take out the garbage, do crap, talk with their spouse about how their day went, clean the floor, pay the bills, etc etc etc. 'Crap' at home doesn't magically do itself.

February 4, 2011

What about when guys come home and still have to do crap, like take out the garbage and fix fences, sit and talk with their spouse how their day went, extra?

So you don't think men care enough about their partners to genuinely want to know how their day went?

Are you saying curiousaboutthings got it backwards and it would be men who don't care about women that much?

Come on guys, I'm glad you get to come on here and enjoy being the victims of the universe, but you're only doing yourselves a disservice by having such a self-serving obtuse vision of gender relations.

February 4, 2011

Men and women r not equal.

Men are givers and women are receivers.

Men are taught to take care of someone while women are taught to find someone to take care of her.

Stop being bitter. Just be proud that men are the better, nobler sex.

How could anybody not be bitter about that?

February 4, 2011

Well, it's very much changed where I live. Men don't pay for dates (people go dutch), expenses for engagement and wedding rings are often shared, women initiate dates, and they also propose. So the idea that things can never change has no basis in real life.

As to the other comment here about women not giving, I agree with Kamille. Women have been primary care takers of children as well as old people for centuries. In many poor societies, women give children and their husbands food before they eat themselves. And many people work full time and do ALL the house work. So I'm not sure what you're talking about, really

Its changed to some extent and women are bitter about it as the men who post on those threads. The difference is that women are bitter when it is still mostly in their favor.

Really? So a man has to put in the same amount of work as a woman does and a woman will intiate a date with him and go dutch? Because all women have to do to get a guy to ask them out and pay for them is to simply exist.

Did these magical women buy their boyfriends equally expensive engagement gifts prior to being married? Expenses are shared? The engagement ring is for the woman only and woman's engagement ring is more expensive than a man's. Not to mention women spend more of the household income on themselves. 18% of the income goes to the woman's personal non household spending while it is 3% for the guy. I guess that is sharing.

February 4, 2011

Discredited... Women tend to be the primary caretaker of children. I'd say that makes them givers.

Add to the that the fact women do on average 12 hours more a month of house work, and I'd say women are standing pretty generous.

But I agree. Stop the pity party guys. We're all deserve respect, regardless of our sex.

in relationships its usually the man giving and women taking

men in the begining have to court and woo the women to prove hes worthy

February 4, 2011

When women come home from work, some of the things they do are cook dinner, wash the kids, do laundry, do gardening, take out the garbage, do crap, talk with their spouse about how their day went, clean the floor, pay the bills, etc etc etc. 'Crap' at home doesn't magically do itself.

Women take out the garbage? Most women say that is a male job just like shoveling the snow and cleaning the gutters.

Women talk about the guy's day? Usually it is vice versa. And usually the guy gives more emotional support than he gets. It is the guy who is the emotional rock and emotional protector of the relationship despite the idea that women like saying they are good with emotions. Women are good with expressing their emotions not taking care of other people's emotions.

February 4, 2011

in relationships its usually the man giving and women taking

men in the begining have to court and woo the women to prove hes worthy

Yup. The woman is automatically assumed to be worthy of his time even though women file most of the divorces.

February 5, 2011

Its changed to some extent and women are bitter about it as the men who post on those threads. The difference is that women are bitter when it is still mostly in their favor.

Really? So a man has to put in the same amount of work as a woman does and a woman will intiate a date with him and go dutch? Because all women have to do to get a guy to ask them out and pay for them is to simply exist.

Did these magical women buy their boyfriends equally expensive engagement gifts prior to being married? Expenses are shared? The engagement ring is for the woman only and woman's engagement ring is more expensive than a man's. Not to mention women spend more of the household income on themselves. 18% of the income goes to the woman's personal non household spending while it is 3% for the guy. I guess that is sharing.

You just make no sense. I call troll, having also read your OP in the sexual health section.

February 5, 2011

Not to mention women spend more of the household income on themselves. 18% of the income goes to the woman's personal non household spending while it is 3% for the guy. I guess that is sharing.

That's interesting and very intriguing.

I've googled non household spending gender and have not found this study. If you have a link, could you post it please?

The studies I have found indicate women spend more on healthcare, mostly on fertility, contraception and maternity care.

February 5, 2011

Guys, the answer is simple: stop dating women who take advantage of you!

And stop hating women as a wholesale category and pretending all women are the same.

Do you think all men are the same?

February 5, 2011

That's interesting and very intriguing.

I've googled non household spending gender and have not found this study. If you have a link, could you post it please?

The studies I have found indicate women spend more on healthcare, mostly on fertility, contraception and maternity care.

Under the respect section.

http://www.articleflame.com/Art/10159/44/Why-Men-Don-t-Have-It-Easy.html

February 5, 2011

Under the respect section.

http://www.articleflame.com/Art/10159/44/Why-Men-Don-t-Have-It-Easy.html

Thanks. It's unfortunate that this blogger doesn't cite his references either. I'll keep an eye out for those studies. Who spends what is certainly an interesting topic.

February 5, 2011

You all sound like you have given women all the power. The womans acceptance or rejection of a man's advances has become the measure of his true worth and value.

Men if it seems that you always give and give to woo women it's because you are pursuing women who aren't interested.

Women who are into you may play hard to get, but once you have got them they will give and give just as much as you do. If not then why be in the relationship?

I hate to be crude but if it's just about getting sex then go out and buy the sex.

February 5, 2011

Most women are not like that and if they are then there is a word for them: gold diggers.

I am divorced. When we got married, I bought the wedding rings!

I am dating again and definitely share expenses of the dates. We take turns paying....

February 5, 2011

Well, it's very much changed where I live. Men don't pay for dates (people go dutch), expenses for engagement and wedding rings are often shared, women initiate dates, and they also propose. So the idea that things can never change has no basis in real life.

That is my experience too, except I never had a woman asking me out on a date.

February 5, 2011

Women who are into you may play hard to get, but once you have got them they will give and give just as much as you do. If not then why be in the relationship?

Maybe men are tired of the games and playing hard to get. Maybe they don't want to do the all the work, all the asking out, all the paying/date planning, and all the initiating.It is a nice feeling to be wanted and men deserve that feeling as much as women. A good relationship is a great thing and it is something which benefits both partners so both should put in an equal amount of effort to get there and maintain that relationship.

February 5, 2011

That is my experience too, except I never had a woman asking me out on a date.

So how have things changed? Most women get asked out every week even in when they are in a relationship. How do you think that makes their boyfriends and husbands feel? That is why most jealous partners are men. Women never have to deal with that type of situation. Never have I seen a marriage where the man got more attention outside of the relationship. This is f\made even worse by the fact that married women and women with boyfriends seek that attention to validate their fragile little egos(in various ways such as going to nightclubs with their female friends where many are unfaithful and think it is their right to do so because of their gender. How many women have had to deal with some woman kissing their boyfriend? Not as many as men have because men don't seek that attention nor could they get it if they did/

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