dreamingoftigers Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Also if you ask most of these women sitting by their husband's bedside if they would marry them again I bet they would say no. No man wants to be a woman's regret. I wouldn't marry my husband again because of how he rejected me infavor of porn- repeatedly. There's no drama there on my end. He chose a sexual relationship with something else. To respect his choice he can simply have it. But having sex with himself to porn and having a marriage with me are two thongs that he could not even come close to balancing. They are mutually exclusive. He made his own empty bed and why should I stay there to sit and read beside him night after night when there might even be a 5% chance that someone out there might sexually appreciate me?
dreamingoftigers Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Can you honestly say that most wives feel positively about their husbands? I absolutely adored my husband before I found out about his cheating. In fact I adore my husband for everything BUT his cheating and his lazy attitude towards our marriage and our intimacy because the porn had desensitized him to anything we could have. I honestly believe that if he was addicted to anything else that it would have been far more workable. Now I wish he was gone. Big because he is someone I don't like or love but because him being around let's me know everyday how much if a ****-stain he left on my life, sex life and self-esteem. The effects have been physical, psychological, financial and long-term. The fact that I have been willing to hold out as long as I have is both a miracle and a tribute to how much I wanted to have a functional family. I have been going through the recovery process for over a year and have seen absolutely minimal effort from him. The fact that there is a woman as dedicated as I have been to a man with those issues should say something about the man, not myself.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Woggle, you are spiraling into dangerous territory for your own well being. Have some self discipline, stop being so self indulgent and stop villainizing women. You know it's wrong, it's tremendously insulting and rude to all kinds of regular people, and it does not help you feel better. It just self perpetuates your bad feelings. Johan is right on.
dreamingoftigers Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 This is not true. There are plenty of men who completly adore their wives while they couldn't care less. Ask most women married more than ten years if they would do it again and I bet they would say no. Why do you think see many men are devastated when their wives walk out. You know what? Before I came onto LS I thought that women were the only ones truly devastated by the loss if a relationship. I get there you are coming from. I thought the men in general simply looked upon women with a general sense of ambivalence (like, it is fun for the moment so we can have some sex together). When I started reading LS I was surprised how many men were truly hurt (and not just insulted or annoyed that they now had to find a replacement to do their dishes) by the end if their relationships. I always thought that men leaving and nit talking about their relational issues was a sign that they didn't ever care, not a sign that they were hurting and wanted a change to happen. I personally can truly say that I have never had the fallout of a relationship nit devastate my life. All of my exes have broken my heart. My husband has utterly shattered it. There is no ambivalence there whatsoever. Truth is that most of those relationships I should not gave been involved with in the first place or I should have walked out earlier. They did however affect me just the same. Most of the women I know are the same. There are of course some very notable exceptions.
Nexus One Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) Some people in this thread are getting the wrong idea. Men build up sperm during the day and tend to want to unload that sperm once it reaches "the edge of the bucket" so to say. If they don't they'll be horny and will probably get hard-ons at moments they don't want it. When men don't unload and walk around with that buildup of sexual tension, then they'll have trouble concentrating on the task at hand, even sleeping will be hard. Sex will be on their mind instead of anything else. So what do men do in modern society? To calm their mind they look for the easiest way to unload and relieve themselves from the sexual tension. The best way I can describe this for women is as follows. Imagine you have to pee really really badly, that pressure you feel in your bladder and the mental pressure in your mind to go pee are somewhat similar to what men experience when they want or need to unload sperm. And similarly when you go urinate and relieve that pressure, similarly men feel a relieve after having unloaded. Their mind is calmer, they can focus at the task at hand and they can go to sleep without that constant nagging feeling that they need to unload. But what if you have a partner, should you just jack off on porn when you feel the need to? Well if you do that, then you'll be empty by the time your partner wants to have sex, that would just be inconsiderate, because generally a lack of sperm equals a lack of lust. So yes men could "hold it up" for their partner and if they have some decency they will. The longer they have to hold it up though, the harder it becomes. There is a difference between having to urinate and having to ejaculate for men though. Urinating is absolutely necessary to prevent damage to the bladder. Men can refrain from ejaculating though for long periods of time without causing damage, but they'll be walking around with a feeling of urgency to relieve that tension. So imagine having to pee really badly, but not doing anything about it for weeks or months and then imagine how you'll function on the tasks at hand in daily life. For that "relieve", porn is just a means to an end. Is it evil like some people are saying it is? Don't be ridiculous, as long as the people in the porn content are doing whatever they're doing with consent and it makes them happy, provides them with money and doesn't hurt anybody, then there shouldn't be a problem. Does it make love into something less than it should be? Well there's a difference between making love with a partner you are in love with and purely relieving sexual tension. Once you use your partner only for the latter, then perhaps the relationship isn't what it should be. And anyone who is considerate towards their significant other will save their libido and lust for her/him, not because they only need to, but because they want to. Edited February 4, 2011 by Nexus One
LittleTiger Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Nexus One, you talk as though women have no understanding of sexual urges or tension. You really don't need to use the 'peeing' analogy because, believe it or not, we get it. We may not get a build up of sperm, but being 'desperately horny' and in need of an orgasm - most of us have been there. I'm not saying it's exactly the same, of course, there is a physiological difference, but the 'need' for sex is understood by both genders. The question in this article is why men choose to use porn to relieve that urge, even when it is seriously damaging their ability to enjoy sex with a real woman and, at the same time, damaging what should be a loving intimate relationship.
LittleTiger Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I wouldn't even call a loose woman a woman to be honest with you, it'd be along the lines of someone who's immature, has zero respect for themselves, etc. As for a male who's sleeping with several different women? To me, it's not so bad. Yeah he may be a bit on the loose side but to be honest, it's the nature of the beast. Men place more value in sex than women do, and naturally inclined to sleep around, as the pickings are slim from the get go - at least for a male. It's the same deal with overweight and ugly women, they usually tend to sleep around as they can barely come by some sex as it is. It's like a homeless man who hordes food when he gets the chance compared to an obese man @ a buffet who just won't stop eating. One is starving, the other is a glutton. Same logic applies to a loose male and a loose woman. So no, I don't think a man who sleeps around is a whore really, he's just getting it while the gettin's good. A bit on trashy side yes, but far from the whore that a loose woman would be. I'm starting to think you must be a troll. If not......well, I'm forbidden by LS guidelines from telling you what I really think of this post - and of you.
Negative Nancy Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Some people in this thread are getting the wrong idea. Men build up sperm during the day and tend to want to unload that sperm once it reaches "the edge of the bucket" so to say. If they don't they'll be horny and will probably get hard-ons at moments they don't want it. When men don't unload and walk around with that buildup of sexual tension, then they'll have trouble concentrating on the task at hand, even sleeping will be hard. Sex will be on their mind instead of anything else. So what do men do in modern society? To calm their mind they look for the easiest way to unload and relieve themselves from the sexual tension. The best way I can describe this for women is as follows. Imagine you have to pee really really badly, that pressure you feel in your bladder and the mental pressure in your mind to go pee are somewhat similar to what men experience when they want or need to unload sperm. And similarly when you go urinate and relieve that pressure, similarly men feel a relieve after having unloaded. Their mind is calmer, they can focus at the task at hand and they can go to sleep without that constant nagging feeling that they need to unload. But what if you have a partner, should you just jack off on porn when you feel the need to? Well if you do that, then you'll be empty by the time your partner wants to have sex, that would just be inconsiderate, because generally a lack of sperm equals a lack of lust. So yes men could "hold it up" for their partner and if they have some decency they will. The longer they have to hold it up though, the harder it becomes. There is a difference between having to urinate and having to ejaculate for men though. Urinating is absolutely necessary to prevent damage to the bladder. Men can refrain from ejaculating though for long periods of time without causing damage, but they'll be walking around with a feeling of urgency to relieve that tension. So imagine having to pee really badly, but not doing anything about it for weeks or months and then imagine how you'll function on the tasks at hand in daily life. For that "relieve", porn is just a means to an end. Is it evil like some people are saying it is? Don't be ridiculous, as long as the people in the porn content are doing whatever they're doing with consent and it makes them happy, provides them with money and doesn't hurt anybody, then there shouldn't be a problem. Does it make love into something less than it should be? Well there's a difference between making love with a partner you are in love with and purely relieving sexual tension. Once you use your partner only for the latter, then perhaps the relationship isn't what it should be. And anyone who is considerate towards their significant other will save their libido and lust for her/him, not because they only need to, but because they want to. That is a pretty good analogy, one that actually makes sense. At the same time, though, it's like saying that you need to take a magazine with you in order to take a ****. Sure, it might make the session more worthwhile and entertaining, but you don't NEED it. So in order to get off, men don't need porn.
Nexus One Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Nexus One, you talk as though women have no understanding of sexual urges or tension. Yep. When it comes to writing replies I generally make no assumptions about the level of understanding of those who read it. *Screams with a Spartan voice*: Assume nothing...tell them EVERYTHING! And for those who don't get the reference: http://tinyurl.com/66aqcjp
Nexus One Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 That is a pretty good analogy, one that actually makes sense. At the same time, though, it's like saying that you need to take a magazine with you in order to take a ****. Sure, it might make the session more worthwhile and entertaining, but you don't NEED it. So in order to get off, men don't need porn. If they don't use a magazine or videos, they'll use their mind. Only the medium changes, the means and end are similar.
dreamingoftigers Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I try to make a change but I just feel like I am putting blinders on. How many married women do you know that truly are happy with their husbands. The way some women talk about men these days you would think they would be glad to have men looking at porn and leaving them alone. . that fear is called vulnerability. Since you were hurt by a cluster of women in your life, you will probably remain hyper-vigilant until you get some serious trauma help for that. To bring up a metaphor I am probably going to get in **** for: It would be like a woman getting gang-raped and not receiving any help go get over the trauma and put it in context ( that being that it would be an isolated incident and that she can walk downtown (while Calgary anyways) and be at extremely low risk for that ever happening again. If she has that kind of trauma there are a bunch of things that her brain I'd going to do to protect her. Her brain will be become hyper-vigilant and keep a close eye on almost every male, regardless of his actual threat level to her. She may stop going out at all if she can avoid it. She may not date again for fear of being in close proximity to a strange male. She may install 10 locks on her door that she double-checks each night. This will probably not be enough to restore her security. She will probably lie in bed at night terrified and relive that terror often. People telling her that the odds of whAt happened go her are one in a million will not help her. She will probably intellectually know this but to her the odds are still too great to step outside because what happened to her was so horrible. As time goes on the fear doesn't subside and the isolation drives the fear and desire to control what goes in and out of one's environment even further. In fact she would probably be looking for threats all around her do intently that she mAy/ would very well take something or someone who isn't threatening or may even protect her and drive it out of her life. Think perhaps a best friend who is trying to encourage her to come to a picnic in the park. Perhaps our victim thinks her friend may be (0.1% chance) trying to lure her there. So she drops her friend (not the best example but you get what I mean right). In your case your mother stole from you crucial emotional and psychological security when you were in a vulnerable state ( childhood, adolescence etc). You came to expect that of women. You end up with a woman who meets those expectations to a "t". Your ex. Anyone else that didn't present like that emotional thief you would have subconsciously perceived as a "threat" because there would have been the sense that you could possibly trust them. In the case of your mother; feeling that you could trust her was usually followed by a huge emotional and abusive betrayal. So ironically those who present as being trustworthy would most likely trigger the greatest threat. ( I know that in my personal history that this has happened with me. I can see it in examples with my father too. If anyone socialized with him and invites him out somewhere nice, he thinks that they are after his money. He surrounds himself frequently with people that are actually users, this would be because subconsciously they act according to the template he expects them to. Therefore subconsciously he knows what to expect and the pattern he had come to trust from those who get close to him is completely reinforced. I have more internal congruency then him and a vicious sense of financial independence and ambition. Largely because of him and his desire to control people by using his money. He resents it, is annoyed by it, and had actually put up very real roadblocks to it. He even became one of our business' direct competitors ( how's that for betrayal?). He remains in fear that I will one day take what is 'his.' in my younger years he stole from me and ran my credit up without my permission and attempted to gain credit for himself using my name. The ironic thing is, I am no real threat to him. In fact I wish he would take his money and quite nicely shove it. I am suck of hearing about it and would not want to make money the way he does, by growing off if others. But still because I DON'T present a threat, his brain sees one because it doesn't know what to make of my attitude. Back to your situation though: your brain, like that of our rape victim is nor going to feel safe in the potential company of a threat. Many people on here are going to tell you that you feelings about the whole gender aren't justified because your experiences are with a ridiculous sample group. It could even be that your whole town us like that. But in comparison with the rest of the female population, that town would be an aberration (I would suggest moving though if that were the case). The fact that a sample of women have been ona victim cycle with you is akin to our rape victim bring attacked by a small sample of men. You are going to lock out any potential threats. To do otherwise would be to put on "blinders" and be taken advantage of. You must see every move 10 steps ahead so that you do not become the hunted. Ironically people on LS telling you how there are good women somewhat undermines your own personal template and experience which is exactly the kind of behavior you gave been exposed to since childhood ( albeit with better intentions and more logical arguments here, I am sure). You say: I feel women are threatening, that's my experience. LS says either: "yes women are threatening, run for the hills" OR "no they aren't, you are crazy" (which invalidates you). But by seeking what threatens you, you lock out what doesn't as well. And chances are after all of this time, the threat has either passed or is largely manageable. The perceived threat can be managed by seeking help for trauma ( talk therapy is rather ineffective with this) or at least setting and holding to boundaries. That way you don't have to waste energy being ten steps ahead if potential betrayal. That makes people's ridiculous choices their own responsibility, and your relations much more clear. With the article you have actually taken it very far out of context. Amazingly so. You have actually found a way to turn what us clearly a make impulse-control and relational issue into one where men are escaping the evil and emotionally-manipulative clutches of women to have a chance at getting their basic sexual needs met. This may even be what us happening by certainly not what was written in the article and not at all what it illustrates. You have found your trigger for feeling threatened in s
Negative Nancy Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 God, these men in the comments below the article are pathetic losers. They can and should stick to their porn "partners" and eliminate themselves from the gene pool. No loss.
Duckduckgoose Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I'm not sure. I think reading those novels makes lonely women more desperate for a relationship, while watching (too much) porn decreases the level of interest. Romance novels and smutty things of that nature that are supposedly porn for women are just as disgusting. I've read those things, they make me sick. They are nothing like real life. Even the books that have a good author, excellent writing and plot, and the romance is just sprinkled in there... it's sickening.
dreamingoftigers Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 If they don't use a magazine or videos, they'll use their mind. Only the medium changes, the means and end are similar. I think it is funny and very old-fashioned to perhaps not realize that those urges are the same and perhaps even as strong in plenty of women. In fact my husband has been rather withholding and so what was already a stronger-than-the-average-male sex drive has skyrocketed. Sex became a minute-to-minute mainstay on my thoughts for over two years with next to no relief. Porn does not help men get through those sexual urge periods in the long- run, having the release of dopamine without the oxytocin from physical contact actually increases the urge and lowers the overall satisfaction. Porn increases the dopamine hit that would otherwise be lower with just plain masturbation. Thereby I increasing the urge and the expectation of satisfaction.
sally4sara Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Romance novels and smutty things of that nature that are supposedly porn for women are just as disgusting. I've read those things, they make me sick. They are nothing like real life. Even the books that have a good author, excellent writing and plot, and the romance is just sprinkled in there... it's sickening. I feel as though romance novels have fallen out of fashion. Now the only instances I see of this is with my grandmother's generation (she reads them and I can see why) or with the teen sensation novels like Twilight. I know a couple moms who read them with their teenage daughters as a bonding tactic. But I can't even remember the last time a woman I worked with or socialized with claimed to read "bodice rippers". The closest was those creepy V.C. Andrews novels getting passed around in middle school but even some of the guys read those too.
Nexus One Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I think it is funny and very old-fashioned to perhaps not realize that those urges are the same and perhaps even as strong in plenty of women. That's not what I meant to say with my reply though, as I mentioned that if the guy is considerate he'll "save himself up" for his SO. Porn does not help men get through those sexual urge periods in the long- run, having the release of dopamine without the oxytocin from physical contact actually increases the urge and lowers the overall satisfaction. Porn increases the dopamine hit that would otherwise be lower with just plain masturbation. Thereby I increasing the urge and the expectation of satisfaction. It's a short term solution, I agree. That doesn't mean men don't want more than straightforward relief though. They can fall in love just as well and sex is only a small part of the spectrum of experience when they fall into that state.
dreamingoftigers Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 The men in the article are clearly using to the point it is causing problems. The behavior seems on the level of an addict. Why? Porn produces an amount of dopamine on par or greater then sex because it is not combined with the bonding hormone of oxytocin. So the user just gets the "high" without the bond. The two hormones somewhat inhibit each other. Dopamine is designed to be pleasurable during sex and a big flash upon orgasm, followed by oxytocin that bonds you to your partner to ebb the dopamine away. Naturally your brain would associate your partner to amazing physical pleasure and the oxytocin would bind you to them emotionally. Guys that get hooked on the dopamine (which tends to be a prime factor I any addiction) will use the porn to get the rush and have no oxytocin to take away the dopamine. There brains get accustomed to the higher amount if dopamine and they try more and more things to stat flooded with the amount that their brain has become dependent on. My guess is that there is a strong coalescent of problems that drive these guys to porn usage. Primarily its easy, and provides the illusion of sexual variety. Nearly just as important it's pressure free. These guys need to stop, or get help. Most of the common addictions are easy to access and low-cost. Most if them are also legal and on some level socially-acceptable. In regards to it's effect on women. I don't think it's that big. Romance novels and movies are basically the female version of porn. I think those have had just as much of a damaging effect on relationships and society. The affects for me personally have been very devastating and worse then any other thing in my life including my ridiculously abusive childhood. I would actually not wish a porn-addicted husband on my bitterly worst enemy, even the doctor who caused my brother to be brain injured. I can't speak for romance novels, who knows? Maybe they are just as damaging. I don't pollute my mind that way. I would rather actually die (and no this is not simple dramatics) then feel the way j have felt the last two years going through thus, then feel this way the rest of my life. Yes there are serious effects and I know that I am not alone among women in this.
dreamingoftigers Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I do think that porn is a problem in exactly the way this article talks about. While it may be true that women contribute a little bit to it, I don't think as a man it's useful to worry about that. It's like saying that you would be a good person if only the world wasn't so bad. The mark of a good man is that he is good despite problems and difficulties. I think that a good man does what is right and what is healthy for him whether women are being easy or difficult to deal with. No, a man should not be a doormat or a pushover and accept bad behavior from women. But, he should never use a woman's bad behavior as an excuse to do something wrong himself. Ask yourself, what would make you respect yourself more? Deciding that women have been bad to you and giving yourself permission to do something that you think may hurt them too? Or, doing what you know is right and not blaming anybody else for your actions? The article does a good job of pointing out some of the dangers of porn. The problem with it is that like many potential addictions, you don't realize how much of a problem it is until it is too late to easily stop. By the time the men in the article realized the effects that porn had on them, they could not easily undo those effects. I think the article is spot on in the way it describes men having a “relationship” with porn the way they would have a relationship with a woman. Our brains are set up to have relationships, but when we look at porn a lot, we can basically use the same neural pathways to bond with porn rather than a woman. Then even if a man decides it is harmful and he wants to stop, he basically has to “break up” with porn. Just as when breaking up with a real person, the emotional deprivation is difficult and requires a long time to get over, maybe years. It is made worse in the case of porn because it's so difficult to go “no contact”. Scott you are 100% right and bless your heart for posting! Glad some guys have good and healthy boundaries!
dreamingoftigers Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 That's not what I meant to say with my reply though, as I mentioned that if the guy is considerate he'll "save himself up" for his SO. It's a short term solution, I agree. That doesn't mean men don't want more than straightforward relief though. They can fall in love just as well and sex is only a small part of the spectrum of experience when they fall into that state. The unfortunate part is the heightenen levels of dopamine actually inhibit the production if the chemicals that produce love and bonding in mammals. When my husband quit his porn he actually found himself more interested in our daughter (nothing sick here!). Finally done of the natural bonding stuff has a chance to come through. We all know people that gave those instant gratification problems (it isn't just Limited to porn). They are the type that get do lost I. Their addictive (think high-dopamine) state that they lose their homes, families, and salaries to them. Many of these guys and gals simply don't give a **** a lot of times, feel like a victim for that they have lost, can't see their affect on their spouse and kids etc. A lot of this is because of excess dopamine and bring unable to regulate it. Without the dopmibf they feel lost and in pain, with it they feel high and don't care about anything but where they might get their next high from. Porn isn't intimacy but it imitates it enough that the chemical component eventually eclipses real intimacy, sadly enough
Duckduckgoose Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I feel as though romance novels have fallen out of fashion. Now the only instances I see of this is with my grandmother's generation (she reads them and I can see why) or with the teen sensation novels like Twilight. I know a couple moms who read them with their teenage daughters as a bonding tactic. But I can't even remember the last time a woman I worked with or socialized with claimed to read "bodice rippers". The closest was those creepy V.C. Andrews novels getting passed around in middle school but even some of the guys read those too. Did you mention Twilight? Oh please save us all! I really did try to read that first book... I really did... it has no saving grace... I guess I like real books.
sally4sara Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Did you mention Twilight? Oh please save us all! I really did try to read that first book... I really did... it has no saving grace... I guess I like real books. Yup, appropriate for middle school only! For my grandmother tho, there never really was any romance in her marriage and now that he is too senile and weak to toss a tantrum or smack her around, she reads those old Harlequin novels she gets for a nickle from the second hand book store.
Scottdmw Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 If they don't use a magazine or videos, they'll use their mind. Only the medium changes, the means and end are similar. I actually don't think it's the same. The brain knows when you are simply masturbating. It knows that there is not another person there. It is perhaps equipped to deal with this situation for exactly the reasons you describe-- build up of sexual tension, no available partner, etc. However, when you use porn, I think the brain can become confused, at least on the subconscious, below rational thought level. It has all of these signs and triggers it’s looking for to tell it that another person is present and that actual sex is happening rather than just release of tension. It is looking for a visual image, sounds, smells, and touch, as well as perhaps emotional drama or a storyline. Well, porn can provide 3 out of 5 (and the others are not far behind with dolls and such). With some of its “real sex” triggers activated, the brain is 3/5ths of the way towards thinking that real sex is happening. Therefore, it releases more of the neurotransmitters and bonding hormones just as it would in a “real sex” situation. The man has love and bonding hormones floating around in his bloodstream telling him to fall in love with the woman he is with, but all that is there is the porn, and his unconscious brain can't readily distinguish that from a real woman. The root of this is that the brain evolved to deal with masturbation-- it has known what that is for millions of years. Porn in its modern-day context (unlimited easy access on the Internet) is a very new thing that we are not prepared by evolution to deal with very well. It is very analogous though less serious when compared to a drug like cocaine. Cocaine is addictive because it does a good job of imitating natural neurotransmitters. It is not something that the brain has evolved to deal with, instead it is something that takes the brains evolved pathways and tricks them into providing extra pleasure. That is why, I think, porn is significantly more problematic than simple masturbation. Scott
Big Why Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) When my ex wife and I were first together the sex was often and good. For 3 - 4 years all was OK. I had no desire or need to go anywhere else for satisfaction. Over time her libido dropped and mine didn't. Eventually I started to feel rejected sexually. I wasn't about to cheat so what else to do but take care of my own needs? Sometimes with help.. as time went on more and more. In the end she left me, for a man she was having an affair with. This crushed my self esteem for a little while. Not only did she not want me who was still gonzo for her but had to get her needs fulfilled elsewhere? I still have a high drive and am currently single. For a while I used it a lot to get through dry spells. But I've noticed that I don't go for the porn thing much anymore. I realize how fake it mostly is. Besides, I want a real woman in my life so by replacing with the fake ones I lose motivation to actually do something about it. Plus the O's aren't nearly as intense. Edited February 4, 2011 by Big Why
Ross PK Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) For some guys (like myself) who aren't able to attract anyone, porn is very important, it can satisfy a very basic human need up to an extent. It's all we have as far as the sexual side of things with women are concerned. It would seem quite cruel to take that away from us. I think if there was no porn, a lot of these guys, out of sheer desperation may take to stalking, stealing panties, sitting next to attractive girls on empty buses, and some may even rape (not that I'm saying I'd do any of those things). Porn has it's benefits. Edited February 4, 2011 by Ross PK
Negative Nancy Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I think if there was no porn, a lot of these guys, out of sheer desperation may take to stalking, stealing panties, sitting next to attractive girls on empty buses, and some may even rape (not that I'm saying I'd do any of those things). Men are so creepy. Justifying porn just so you don't RAPE - unbelievable. No one has a right to rape a women, and your excuse doesnt fly with me either. Thats like saying its ok to look at child porn just so the pedophiles dont actually touch REAL children :mad:
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