Mme. Chaucer Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Porn provides much less drama than modern day women for the most part. That much is true. Porn provides much less drama than having to interact with a checkout person at the supermarket. Jerking off to porn is a solitary activity. Men who prefer it to being with live human women ... don't want to deal with live women. Women play no role in that, Woggle. it's that guy who has the problem. And, of course, any woman who gets involved with him. They are finding in porn fantasies what they are not finding in actual relationships. Is your point here that women should be acting out all the porn stuff in real life so that the men will have these fantasies realized? Like, if my boyfriend likes to watch lesbian sex scenes, I would perform them for him if I were a really good girlfriend? I hope not. Anyway, fantasies of all kinds provide anyone who has them with things that they're not finding in actual relationships, or in daily real life. That's the point of fantasies.
Author Woggle Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 That's bunk. If porn was easy to access in 1750 or 1850 or 1950 men would have been equally distracted by it. It's not a new front in the gender wars. Skin mags have been around forever and porn was available on VCR tape since the 80s. It was always easy to get yet men back then did not choose it over real women. Not only do you have porn but you also have real dolls and things of that nature. Do you think none of this has anything to do with how bad gender relations have become?
johan Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Do you think none of this has anything to do with how bad gender relations have become? That's maybe 2% of the problem. 98% of the problem is people have no self control. Blaming gender relations for anything is a cop-out as far as I'm concerned. Maybe we're just watching natural selection at work: only people who actually have the skills and talent to be in a relationship are choosing good partners and having lasting relationships. Everyone else is just sitting on the sidelines watching the fittest survive. We aren't entitled to love or loyalty or affection or even a sideways glance from the opposite sex. Those things must be earned. And even then it doesn't always work out. Boo f*cking hoo.
Author Woggle Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 If only the qualified are getting in relationships then why is there so much relationship drama these days?
sweetjasmine Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 some men don't want to be bothered by the drama that certain females stir up. they would rather just go it alone than be pulled in to chaos... I don't understand this argument. In the article, none of the men were quoted as saying, "...and I prefer porn because women are full of drama, and they're not worth the hassle." One guy (who strikes me as not particularly normal, tbh) said he has a porn schedule with days reserved for specific porn actresses, and one day is reserved for his girlfriend. He sees no conflicts or problems and he doesn't have anything bad to say about his girlfriend or relationship. Another man says he's still attracted to his wife and still has sex with her but he needs to think of porn scenes to get off. That doesn't sound like "I'm going it alone and jerking it to porn because women are too much trouble" to me. That sounds like an addictive habit. It's as simple as a mouse pushing a lever and getting a food pellet, and it's no different from women who use a vibrator so much that they can't reach orgasm without it.
johan Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 If only the qualified are getting in relationships then why is there so much relationship drama these days? Because everyone else is trying.
Author Woggle Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 How many times have men had to hear how we were no longer needed because women make their own money and can use a vibrator? This is the reverse of that.
johan Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 How many times have men had to hear how we were no longer needed because women make their own money and can use a vibrator? This is the reverse of that. To be honest, you're the only one I ever hear that from.
sweetjasmine Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 How many times have men had to hear how we were no longer needed because women make their own money and can use a vibrator? This is the reverse of that. And yet here you are rationalizing the one and arguing vehemently against the other. It's the same thing. Both partners in both situations are thinking, "...and you're more turned on by a piece of plastic than you are by me?"
Author Woggle Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 And yet here you are rationalizing the one and arguing vehemently against the other. It's the same thing. Both partners in both situations are thinking, "...and you're more turned on by a piece of plastic than you are by me?" I think that both are wrong but when women promoted vibrators it was encouraged and seen as empowering yet this is seen as creepy and misogynistic. It goes way beyond that though. Sure some men are addicted to porn but I think part of the addiction is drama free sexual pleasure.
Jannah Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Sure some men are addicted to porn but I think part of the addiction is drama free sexual pleasure. Tell that to Charlie Sheen...He was just hospitalized for an orgy induced hernia.
Author Woggle Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 Tell that to Charlie Sheen...He was just hospitalized for an orgy induced hernia. He also drinks like a fish and does tons of drugs.
Duckduckgoose Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 How many times have men had to hear how we were no longer needed because women make their own money and can use a vibrator? This is the reverse of that. Hmm... I have never said this to a man, and I don't know anyone who has said it or heard it till you said it. Vibrators desensitize the vagina... no good. Just because a person can make their own money and get their own rocks off does not mean they do not have a want or need for intimacy that only a committed relationship can provide. Which is better if you are on your deathbed and reflecting back on your life: 1. Alone but probably fantasizing about the nurses that change your bedpan and wash you, having spent a lot of your money on pornography, spending your days mostly alone in front of a TV, computer, or magazine... being rejected by the opposite sex for your addiction, being lonely because of it... OR 2. Wife is by your side holding your hand, your kids are in the room and their kids, and you think of how you had that fork in the road and you chose the right path to spending your energy on pleasing your wife and you were blessed with a good family and taught them well, and they are all now respectable people, you can pass to the next life with no regrets.
skydiveaddict Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Meh, so what? People are getting rich from it. If it turns a profit, it's good. Brilliant statement
Author Woggle Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 Hmm... I have never said this to a man, and I don't know anyone who has said it or heard it till you said it. Vibrators desensitize the vagina... no good. Just because a person can make their own money and get their own rocks off does not mean they do not have a want or need for intimacy that only a committed relationship can provide. Which is better if you are on your deathbed and reflecting back on your life: 1. Alone but probably fantasizing about the nurses that change your bedpan and wash you, having spent a lot of your money on pornography, spending your days mostly alone in front of a TV, computer, or magazine... being rejected by the opposite sex for your addiction, being lonely because of it... OR 2. Wife is by your side holding your hand, your kids are in the room and their kids, and you think of how you had that fork in the road and you chose the right path to spending your energy on pleasing your wife and you were blessed with a good family and taught them well, and they are all now respectable people, you can pass to the next life with no regrets. Or I can have number three which is alone in my death bed unable to pay my medical bills because my ex wife tossed me aside like a piece of garbage when her coworker smiled at her and she had midlife crisis. I was faithful to her and a great husband and father but none of that mattered because she was bored. That is much more likely than 2.
Duckduckgoose Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Or I can have number three which is alone in my death bed unable to pay my medical bills because my ex wife tossed me aside like a piece of garbage when her coworker smiled at her and she had midlife crisis. I was faithful to her and a great husband and father but none of that mattered because she was bored. That is much more likely than 2. I'm sure there is another woman out there for you Woggle, that will appreciate a loyal man and good father... and won't get bored with those things BTW, I am not sure about this but I don't think medical bills follow you into the afterlife...at least I hope not. *knocks on pearly gates* Oh hello there DDG, its good to see you... were you wanting in? Yes please, its been a long time and I would like to see what this heaven is all about. Umm... well when you died you left behind more medical bills than the national debt. I'm afraid you need to pay them before I can allow you any farther. But? But? I didn't get the option of taking anything with me when I died... Umm... I don't even have pockets in this robe! Sorry DDG. If you can't pay your bills you can work it off you know. I can! How? *poof* *DDG comes back to earth as pack animal in the mines*
jenifer1972 Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Or I can have number three which is alone in my death bed unable to pay my medical bills because my ex wife tossed me aside like a piece of garbage when her coworker smiled at her and she had midlife crisis. I was faithful to her and a great husband and father but none of that mattered because she was bored. That is much more likely than 2. Woggle, you are not with your ex now. You live in bitterness about this past woman, who from what you recently mentioned (incarcerated for robbery) is not like the vast majority of women out there. You love your current wife. She will be at your side if you treat her right. Why can you not see that your ex was an aberration, not the norm? My ex was emotionally manipulative and lazy, and took ME to the cleaners, suing ME for alimony, and I had to give him half of everything that I had earned, (not him), PLUS a huge settlement in lieu of alimony for the rest of my life, because he spent the last 8 yrs of our marriage being a jack off not feeling like working for a living! Now he lives high off the hog in a new house with his new wife and I am trying to rebuild finanacially everything I lost.. But I realize that was HIM, not ALL men, one individual who was cruel to me, not representative of men generally at all... You are not the only one who has been "done wrong" in the relationship department.
deebeechrisyo Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Does anyone here really think that if a lonely guy gives up porn, he's going to go find himself a girlfriend the next day? A lot of guys who are addicted to porn simply aren't attractive to the opposite sex. In most cases, porn addiction isn't the cause of a guy being alone, it's the effect.
Author Woggle Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 Maybe my wife don't do it but you damn well know it is true. Most of these women hate being married to their husbands anyway.
Ay Diesel T Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 I watch porn several times a week, as my libido is through the roof lol. Sometimes a woman just isn't around to satisfy my urge, so I rub one out. Just because I watch porn doesn't mean I don't get laid, I'd probably be out laying more women and putting myself at risk for STDs or getting someone pregnant if it wasn't for porn. Porn also makes it easier for a man to hold out for a woman that is actually worth his time. I see no difference in occassionally watching porn while waiting for that woman and a woman who's got a couple Mr. Right Nows while looking for Mr. Perfect...actually yeah there is a difference, the woman is a whore and the guy isn't lol.
Duckduckgoose Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Does anyone here really think that if a lonely guy gives up porn, he's going to go find himself a girlfriend the next day? A lot of guys who are addicted to porn simply aren't attractive to the opposite sex. In most cases, porn addiction isn't the cause of a guy being alone, it's the effect. Sitting in a basement jerking off to porn, getting paler, fatter, and more withdrawn doesn't help them get women either. This also applies to just about any addiction. And who says the guys doing it are not attractive to the opposite sex? Different women like different things. Even nerds can get laid. If he gives up the addiction to porn, he might not get a gf the NEXT day, but when he broadens his horizons, and starts meeting real women he might be surprised and meet a girl that likes him for him. My stbxH was attractive, to me at least... but he had a porn problem and denied it. A week after he left he spent $300 on the ****... disgusting. A few months after we got married I was the one initiating all sexual contact and usually getting rejected. I just tried to be patient about it, but I was real fed up towards the end.
Author Woggle Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 Also if you ask most of these women sitting by their husband's bedside if they would marry them again I bet they would say no. No man wants to be a woman's regret.
Stung Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) Seriously? An article discussing some men who are distancing themselves emotionally and sexually from their real-life wives and girlfriends because of their reliance on porn, and you guys have turned it into women who have friends with benefits are whores, and most wives hate their husbands anyway? Get back into therapy, guys. This is pathetic. Edited February 4, 2011 by Stung
LittleTiger Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Seriously? An article discussing some men who are distancing themselves emotionally and sexually from their real-life wives and girlfriends because of their reliance on porn, and you guys have turned it into women who have friends with benefits are whores, and most wives hate their husbands anyway? Get back into therapy, guys. This is pathetic. You just beat me to it Stung.
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