dyermaker Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 DA, it's a shame Pat Summerall left the business.
BlockHead Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 sweetbilly The Bible is a litteral translation of what really happened in all history, and every word must be true. If anyone else ever came along and proved something else happened, to explain the evidence, this would prove the whole idea of a diety to be false.That was pleasantly condescending. If you had a real understanding of it, your response would be very different. I won’t argue over the Bible mainly because I had that argument at least a dozen times. Arabess Every form of religion has it's share of rejection towards those who don't believe the same way they do.Don’t confuse politics with religion. sweetbilly There is really no point in arguing over the existence of God. You won’t have converts, and you will only upset some people. If firsthand experience is a prerequisite, I guess you have to experience hell before you can believe in it. HELL… I don’t know if the place exists, but I know it has lousy company. Jenny had a problem with an unpleasant woman more than a week ago. Imagine if she shared a room with countless child molesters, murderers, killers, lawyers, etc. Let’s not forget about Satan and his demons.
moimeme Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Imagine if she shared a room with countless child molesters, murderers, killers, lawyers, etc. Let’s not forget about Satan and his demons. As long as they're witty... j
dyermaker Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Wait, if you believe every word in your Bible is a historical fact, how do you respond to the fact that there are TWO seperate and conflicting creation stories? Which is historically accurate, Genesis 1 or Genesis 2? So, logically, which one is a lie? Dust off your fundamentalist weapon, I'm ready to spar with you on actual scripture, because I'm convinced your understanding of the Bible is very narrow if you read it literally, and I'm not apologetic about wishing to do so, seeing as how you've pretty much assured us that everyone who isn't like you is going to hell--might as well have my fun now, yeah?
dyermaker Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Moi, stop using so many O's, or I'll cut off your hands.
moimeme Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Read it aloud. 'oh' just doesn't cut it - at least the way I exclaimed !!!!!!!!!
moimeme Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 You'll go straight to hell if you cut any of my stuff off.
Author jenny Posted March 24, 2004 Author Posted March 24, 2004 As long as they're witty... lol! and regrettably true. i really like las vegas. the excess of oxygen makes everyone sort of funny.
sweetbilly Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Dyermaker, I'm not really sure you've understood anything I've said. And going through the bible on here would take years. So, I'll try and sum-up what I've said a little better to save time. Scientific proof disproves Athieism, Budism, Hinduism, Islam, and any other religion that conflicts with the evidence. The only religion, or true faith, as I'll call it, that are accurate are the beliefs that can intragrate scientific evidence with the biblical narative. Any deveation from the evidence disproves the particular belief. only those faiths that prescribe to the King James, NIV, or other correctly, and I stress the word correctly here, version of scripture can possibly interprate what has been said period. there are no other alternatives. I am NOT trying to offend anyone of other beliefs here either, but I can't make my point if I don't break some eggs. So, here goes. I would attribute the child molestations in the Roman Catholic church, the murderous rampages of muslims, the sytematic murder of millions of jews by hitler (fueled by Darwin and his athiestic, evolutionary ideals), the inability to adhere to the ten commandants, homosexuality, abortion, the belief that mormans can marry as many women they want, to the missinterpratation of scripture. As for the belief that there are two versions of Genesis, well, what denomination in this catagory are you associated with? because I only know of one God wrote. For blockhead, it's not meant to be condescending. It's because, I'm that confident it's true. You're right, I know people won't open up their mind enough to see the light, and I can't change that, but people only get upset because they are scared to find, that like I used to be, they too may be in danger. I would like to know what it is, about my concern for people, that angers them. Is it because you know in your heart of hearts you are in peril, or is it because you hate anyone that actually cares about you. You don't have to experience hell to believe in God, that's the reason for the sacrifice.
CaterpillarGirl Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 I believe these are the ones Dyer may be referencing... And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Gen. 1:24-5) And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. (Gen. 2:18-20) In the first verse the beasts/animals are created (fifth day) BEFORE man (sixth day), in the second they are created after. Also, in Genesis 1, it appears as if Adam & Eve were created contemporaneously, whereas in Genesis 2, Eve is a derivative of Adam. Interesting discussion. -CG
BlockHead Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 sweetbilly It's because, I'm that confident it's true.Just because you are confident in something doesn’t make it true. I am confident I can run through a brick wall. I just need a running start. sweetbilly You're right, I know people won't open up their mind enough to see the light, and I can't change that, but people only get upset because they are scared to find, that like I used to be, they too may be in danger.What? You seem to be calling me a coward. sweetbilly Is it because you know in your heart of hearts you are in peril, or is it because you hate anyone that actually cares about you.Wow!!! Mind reading… Is there anything you can’t do? Why blindly follow a religion when you can blindly follow science? Let’s try to stick with the main topic.
sweetbilly Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 So blockhead, you're saying you're not afraid of god? if that's what you're saying, that's your problem, And I never called you anything you did it yourself. And my confidence, well, that's because you still haven't addressed the physical evidence. Caterpillar, there isn't an answer for everything in the bible yet, there will be someday, but for now the wise man will build his house upon the rock. And if I was a little more familiar with what you're asking, I would certainly address it, but if I say something that I'm not sure of I'll never hear the end of it. But that's not saying someone else with more knowledge in my faith dosen't know. I'm just saying I haven't studied this particular part of scripture to a great extent yet. Read the very begining of Gen. This is a description of the continent of pangia that geologists, unwittingly, have proven to be correct. The continents are moving around Israel in a circular pattern, making the comment by Jesus correct when he said, "This is the ROCK OF THE WORLD that I will build my kingdom upon" The tectonic plates around Israel are the only ones that do not move suggesting a massive rock, that coincidentally, is only visable on the temple mount. Jesus also said, "I am the chief cornerstone rejected by the scribes and pharses" do you know why they don't know who built the pyramids in egypt? it's because they don't read scripture. In the pyramid there's a broad path that leads to a pit, and a narrow path that leads to the kings chamber. Do you recall this particular scripture? there were 144,000 polished stones on the outside, and a top that was made of a precious type of stone or maybe it was Ivory, I can't really rember. But when God left the earth and went into the heavens he took it with him. there are descriptions of dinosaurs in the bible, and all over the world. Proving that humans and dinosaurs lived contemporanisly. Otherwise, how could men have drawn or carved animals they've never seen and dinosaurs weren't discovered until the 18th century. Could you draw the same pic of a "njfhefgi" no, and neither could I. And how could similar pictures of dinosaurs drawn on different continents match both in description and scientificly if man had not seen them. If youdid the #'s concerning population growth you would see that for evolution to have taken place there would be so many people you couldn't dig a hole without finding human bones. And if you try to make sense of it by saying there were catostriphic events that wiped out all but a few humans millions of years wouldn't have been so much time that between generations humans would have died out. And my point is this, with no explanations "good enough outside of christianity" how can anyone ever say creation never took place, and if it did and certain people could scientificly prove the scriptures in the bible correct why would anyone believe anything else?
Darkangelism Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Where is the evidence that disproves all those other religion, what makes you right? Maybe you are the one thats wrong and islam is right. Originally posted by sweetbilly there isn't an answer for everything in the bible yet, there will be someday Since when has the Bible changed? besides the adding of the koran elements in that book.
sweetbilly Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Sorry DA, like i said i'm not trying to offend anyone, but there have been so many debates between Islam and christanity, and Islam couldn't stand under the pressure either. It's better to understand that it's not my intelligence people are fighting against, is the truth given to man by God that's being fought so hard against here. This is the reason there can only be one version of Gods word, all others are the deception presented to man by the enemy, or satan if you will. And, in all of the Koran there is only one prophecy that has only a 20% chance of being right. In the Bible there are more than 1200 fulfilled prophecys already. there are no passages added to the bible from the koran or from any other book. The people who compiled the bible added only the books that were proven by prophecy and have been researched for 2000 yrs. This is the reason other religions have not made the discoveries is science that christains have. In fact, without the bible there would not be any sciences. Because there have been additions to their books that were not written by God. The bible, yes, was written by the hand of man, but through the devine of inspiration of God.
Darkangelism Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by sweetbilly Sorry DA, like i said i'm not trying to offend anyone, but there have been so many debates between Islam and christanity, and Islam couldn't stand under the pressure either. It's better to understand that it's not my intelligence people are fighting against, is the truth given to man by God that's being fought so hard against here. This is the reason there can only be one version of Gods word, all others are the deception presented to man by the enemy, or satan if you will. And, in all of the Koran there is only one prophecy that has only a 20% chance of being right. In the Bible there are more than 1200 fulfilled prophecys already. there are no passages added to the bible from the koran or from any other book. The people who compiled the bible added only the books that were proven by prophecy and have been researched for 2000 yrs. This is the reason other religions have not made the discoveries is science that christains have. In fact, without the bible there would not be any sciences. Because there have been additions to their books that were not written by God. The bible, yes, was written by the hand of man, but through the devine of inspiration of God. What prophicies, if these existed then how come not everybody is christian and a whole bunch a self fulfilling or what happens is skewed to fit the circumstances. As for science, no way, many scientists are athiests, and the Romans didnt even discover the concept of zero, the egyptians had quite a bit of technology without christianity, gunpowder the strength of the europeans was developed by the chinese.
sweetbilly Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 first, the chineese only used gunpowder for fireworks. Second, the scientists you speek of, well, how many of them have actually read the bible? The world dosen't know about these things because they don't search for it. Besides, the bible requires instruction because of its' hidden complexitys. It is believed by many scholars that every human that has ever existed is actually recorded in the bible in coded passages. If you want to read a book on the issue read "the bible code" it'll explain alot more than I can. so why is it that medicine, neuclar power, and so many discoveries, that have been made, happened after christ? After all, people in the middle east are still grinding their flour on rocks. But after christ persented us with the required pieces of the new test. tech boomed and subsequently life has gotten better for christain nations and worse for others. There is a belief is that technology has not always increased. In fact, tech in the begining was very high, not as high as it is now, but highly advanced, then it took a dive then after the new testament it excelled to new levels. There are rocks in the middle east that have been quarried and cut into geometric patterens, that can't be matched today, and moved. And the egyptians, well, they even worshiped the same god at one time as we do today, but they too fell away. you should really read the whole post I've already addressed many of your questions. log on to the sites I've given then feel free to ask me anything.
Darkangelism Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Well considering most scentists are not born thiests, most have read the bible. A lot of the nuclear researchers were not christian. Many of the discoveries were made after christ because we learned things, things that didnt have anything to do with religion, and most of the important discoveries were made b4 christ, like the wheel. ill go read the sites that you put up now.
End of my rope Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 For end of my rope, I did quote some sources better read the thread again sweetbilly, I wasn't refering to your post. I was refering that I didn't want to post until I had my refrences at hand to quote. The world doesn't revolve around you. And as far as the cracks about Hell being spending eternity with born again Christians...that is religious persecution, call it what you will. I'm a born again Christian and proud to say I am. I'll say a prayer for all of you who thinks poorly of us.
Author jenny Posted March 24, 2004 Author Posted March 24, 2004 the atheists can say a few logical proofs for you.
CaterpillarGirl Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by jenny the atheists can say a few logical proofs for you. Oh, Jenny, thank God for your sense of humor!
Darkangelism Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 Here is a list of major accomplishments by non-christians Polio Vaccine: Jonas Salk-Jewish Hydrogen Bomb: Edward Teller-Jewish a whole bunch of stuff: Albert Einstein-Jewish the earth isnt he center of the universe:Copernicus-Athiest radioactivity:Madam Curie-athiest gravity more or less:Galileo-athiest Many principals of earth science such as erosion: Shen Kua-chinese Numeral system-Indians First guns-Chinese anatomy of the heart-Al-Quarashi-Muslim So quite a few important discoveries were made by nonchristians
Author jenny Posted March 24, 2004 Author Posted March 24, 2004 that's a great list! i was wondering who invented a whole bunch of stuff .
Darkangelism Posted March 24, 2004 Posted March 24, 2004 jenny anytime you need random facts ill be there,lol oh i forgot a few basics: The Wheel the cup clothes farming
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