donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I have just accepted the fact that men are simply the better, the nobler sex. With all the lying cheaters running about, you have the balls (or lack thereof) to actually SAY that? Yes, I know there are women who cheat too, but you know damn well men are WAY more apt to do so. I really think you've outdone yourself with the above douchebaggian statement.
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Yes, today women tend to spend more time on household chores than men, but the gap isn't that large anymore. For people in my age group it's 16 hours a week on average for women and 12 for men. That's with stay at home mothers still factored in.Is that another little false factoid pulled out of your rectum?
Author FreeheartLover Posted January 12, 2011 Author Posted January 12, 2011 For those who lack a sense of humor, my last line in the original post was a JOKE
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 For those posters who say the woman, if she earns less money, should choose cheaper dates, I have to ask this: Would every rich man in the country who is dating a woman who earns little or nothing be satisfied eating at Denny's or IHOP's because his woman MUST pay her share? Good gawd. Now I'm all about a woman paying her share. Absolutely. I'm sure, after these numerous NUMEROUS threads about this, everyone is pretty much aware of my feeling on this. HOWEVER, we have a situation where the OP has been with her guy for awhile now. He makes a LOT more money than she does, and she is even still trying to finish school. If he cared about her, he would just pay for the damn dates she can't afford and quit whining about it. That's what ANY person, man or woman, should do in that type of situation. If someone makes a huge percentage more than the other, they would pay if they cared about their SO.
Billy_Boy Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I generally always pick up the check, if I couldn't do that I wouldn't go out to dinner lol.
ConflictedGuy27 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 dunno why this is always such a fire fight on LS. I'm a guy; I like girls; I take girls to dinner that I want to see naked; I feed them surf & turf; I pay; they like that I paid; odds of them getting naked are boosted. it's not rocket science people. guys, seriously, pay. it never hurts to pay her way.
ConflictedGuy27 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 ladies, question: have your dates ever LOST points with you because they paid for dinner (or wherever you two were for the date)?? I'm having a hard time thinking of such a situation -- which is why I always insist on paying. after all, why risk losing points with her, needlessly? thoughts, ladies?
carhill Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 In her thread about her 'high maintenance man', the OP shares the following: I'm with him because he's a good guy, all ailments aside. He's highly intelligent, successful, sweet, and responsible, and he respects me and treats me kindly. Her profile lists her as a ski resort property manager. I've dated a few women who make more money than I do. I've paid for the dates. Here's an example of one from another thread. It's healthy to note that, once that income disparity was ascertained, interest on their part apparently waned, perhaps for other reasons. I found that to be good information.
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 ladies, question: have your dates ever LOST points with you because they paid for dinner (or wherever you two were for the date)?? I'm having a hard time thinking of such a situation -- which is why I always insist on paying. after all, why risk losing points with her, needlessly? thoughts, ladies?No, but on a first date this guy picked me up in a Lincoln and, on the way to the Space Needle for dinner, he pulled a wad of cash out of the glovebox and showed it to me, I assume to impress me. He lost HUGE points with that one, and I never went out with him again.
catgotyourtongue Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 ladies, question: have your dates ever LOST points with you because they paid for dinner (or wherever you two were for the date)?? I'm having a hard time thinking of such a situation -- which is why I always insist on paying. after all, why risk losing points with her, needlessly? thoughts, ladies? Hi Know some women who have real control issues, based on their past, or family, or ex's w/men and money. Some men use money to control -and then expect, agressivle expect, sex. I have a male friend who has the mindframe of "I am buying this or that girl dinner-she owes me time and attention". This is what he feels is right and true. SO I know some women who he has dated, that have issues with him footing the bill all the time, because to him, that means = you owe me, and soon. Even if all men want what they want, he puts it out there so bluntly, it scares people off and grosses them out. He's a great friend, not a great guy to date. Women leave him all the time due to his expectations and money. Goodlooking, smart, decent income, but the SEX-pectations from dinner dates, lands him in the dog house often, alone. He expects sex very soon if he is paying, like it's an investment. IT turns a lot of women off. I know many who have broken up with him over it, just sayin'! It is true. There are men who EXPECT sex in return for dinner, yup, it's true, lol. So flashing around dollars in an expectation to get laid on night one, BIG turn off for me. I know the counter argument, I do..so not looking to go there. Just saying, it can be an issue.
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 In her thread about her 'high maintenance man', the OP shares the following: Her profile lists her as a ski resort property manager. I've dated a few women who make more money than I do. I've paid for the dates. Here's an example of one from another thread. It's healthy to note that, once that income disparity was ascertained, interest on their part apparently waned, perhaps for other reasons. I found that to be good information. Read more in that thread. He also invalidates her need to share her bad day at work by telling her that, since it isn't physical pain, it isn't something she should complain about, and he refuses to listen.
carhill Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I was addressing the ability to and interest in paying for dates. That's all. I accept her words.
stillafool Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I think women should pay their portion on dates. This way men won't expect anything from them but a mutual good time. I think it relieves stress on them both. Mind you, I've never paid but it has been many years since I was in the dating game. Don't get me wrong, I offered to pay and wanted to pay but men wouldn't hear of it back then.
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Is that another little false factoid pulled out of your rectum? Is that your way of admitting that you don't like it when I'm correct? Just look it up like I did. The national U.S. average for all age groups is 17 hours for women and about 10 for men. It's a ratio of about 1.8 to 1, compared to a traditional role system that is typically measured at about 6 to 1. The 30ish demographic is just slightly more equal than the overall average. There are plenty of times where I look something up and the facts change how I perceive a topic. Can you say the same? For those posters who say the woman, if she earns less money, should choose cheaper dates, I have to ask this: Would every rich man in the country who is dating a woman who earns little or nothing be satisfied eating at Denny's or IHOP's because his woman MUST pay her share? Good gawd. Now I'm all about a woman paying her share. Absolutely. I'm sure, after these numerous NUMEROUS threads about this, everyone is pretty much aware of my feeling on this. HOWEVER, we have a situation where the OP has been with her guy for awhile now. He makes a LOT more money than she does, and she is even still trying to finish school. If he cared about her, he would just pay for the damn dates she can't afford and quit whining about it. That's what ANY person, man or woman, should do in that type of situation. If someone makes a huge percentage more than the other, they would pay if they cared about their SO. If they get married she benefits from the money he saves just as much as he does. Look, if it was me... I would happily pay in this situation. However, I can understand why he doesn't feel it's a good idea. Can't you?
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Is that your way of admitting that you don't like it when I'm correct? Just look it up like I did. The national U.S. average for all age groups is 17 hours for women and about 10 for men. It's a ratio of about 1.8 to 1, compared to a traditional role system that is typically measured at about 6 to 1. The 30ish demographic is just slightly more equal than the overall average.So women ARE doing 7 hours more work than men, though most of US work as well too now. That's almost a full 8 hour work day. Gotcha. If they get married she benefits from the money he saves just as much as he does. Look, if it was me... I would happily pay in this situation. However, I can understand why he doesn't feel it's a good idea. Can't you?No, I can't, because I'm a generous person. In fact, I make more money than my sweety, and because of that I pay more on our dates. And no - we are NOT married. I don't dangle my paycheck in front of him as some promise of things to come if we ever get married. I treat him NOW because I love him NOW.
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 So women ARE doing 7 hours more work than men, though most of US work as well too now. That's almost a full 8 hour work day. Gotcha. Never said S4S was wrong... in fact what I posted agreed with what she said. I just disagree with the conclusion a bit, because things clearly have changed and are continuing to change. Which is what I was pointing out. No, I can't, because I'm a generous person. In fact, I make more money than my sweety, and because of that I pay more on our dates. And no - we are NOT married. I don't dangle my paycheck in front of him as some promise of things to come if we ever get married. I treat him NOW because I love him NOW. That's great, and it works for you. Don't expect that it will work for everyone else though. Loving somebody does not require that you spoil them financially. If a woman made more and it stretched my budget to keep up on dates... I'd work harder to close that gap if I had a strong interest in her. The coin has two sides.
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Never said S4S was wrong... in fact what I posted agreed with what she said. I just disagree with the conclusion a bit, because things clearly have changed and are continuing to change. Which is what I was pointing out. That's great, and it works for you. Don't expect that it will work for everyone else though. Loving somebody does not require that you spoil them financially. If a woman made more and it stretched my budget to keep up on dates... I'd work harder to close that gap if I had a strong interest in her. The coin has two sides.I don't "spoil him financially," but I also make sure he doesn't feel like a second class citizen. There is a difference. I love him enough to make sure he feels comfortable and secure with me. There's no need for my baby to financially "close some gap" as you put it. He does many things around the house that I'm incapable of doing, and I make sure he knows how much I appreciate that. We're a team. We don't keep score. Where there is a need to keep things 50/50, there isn't true love. By the way, with your need for a baby making stay at home mom for a wife, obviously she won't have an income. Are you planning to never treat her on dates prior to marriage? Edited January 12, 2011 by donnamaybe
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I don't "spoil him financially," but I also make sure he doesn't feel like a second class citizen. There is a difference. I love him enough to make sure he feels comfortable and secure with me. There's no need for my baby to financially "close some gap" as you put it. He does many things around the house that I'm incapable of doing, and I make sure he knows how much I appreciate that. We're a team. We don't keep score. Where there is a need to keep things 50/50, there isn't true love. By the way, with your need for a baby making stay at home mom for a wife, obviously she won't have an income. Are you planning to never treat her on dates prior to marriage? You have me confused with someone else. I've always believed that if a woman wants to stay at home that's fine by me, and if she wants to work... I'm good with that too. I think women should have the freedom to choose which direction to take regard children and work. I'm the guy that gave his xGF $10k, for a boob job that I was 100% against... only to find out 2 months later it was because the OTHER guy she was seeing wanted it. Actually that's pretty much the tip of the iceberg in terms of my stupid generosity in dating. Yes... It's my fault, but I was thinking pretty much like you... and I felt like I was in love. Keeping score is ridiculous and often petty, but each person should know about where there budget limits are.
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) You have me confused with someone else. I've always believed that if a woman wants to stay at home that's fine by me, and if she wants to work... I'm good with that too. I think women should have the freedom to choose which direction to take regard children and work. I guess I did. Sorry about that. I'm the guy that gave his xGF $10k, for a boob job that I was 100% against... only to find out 2 months later it was because the OTHER guy she was seeing wanted it. Actually that's pretty much the tip of the iceberg in terms of my stupid generosity in dating. Yes... It's my fault, but I was thinking pretty much like you... and I felt like I was in love.Well, that WAS stupid, I'm sorry to say. Keeping score is ridiculous and often petty, but each person should know about where there budget limits are.But why? So you can go out to the better restaurants without your SO? Or do you never go there at all? I'm not going to be so petty as to not go to a place my sweety might not be able to afford to go when I can pay. If his bills are paid and he has paid his share of our community bills, he will have a little money left over, but not nearly as much as I. I like making him happy. So sue me. Edited January 12, 2011 by donnamaybe
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I guess I did. Sorry about that. It happens. I've done it before too. Well, that WAS stupid, I'm sorry to say. Yes... it was very stupid. I learned my lesson. Trust is for foolish people. But why? So you can go out to the better restaurants without your SO? Or do you never go there at all? I'm not going to be so petty as to not go to a place my sweety might not be able to afford to go when I can pay. If his bills are paid and he has paid his share of our community bills, he will have a little money left over, but not nearly as much as I. I like making him happy. So sue me. If I have a burning need to eat a a restaurant that costs $250 a plate... yes I will pay for that. However, that should be a rare occasion. There is a fine line between treating your SO... and buying them.
donnamaybe Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 If I have a burning need to eat a a restaurant that costs $250 a plate... yes I will pay for that. However, that should be a rare occasion. There is a fine line between treating your SO... and buying them.First of all, I would NEVER eat at a restaurant like that. Those restaurants are for fools with too much money who have a pathetic need to be SEEN in a restaurant like that. Actually, I already knew where the line was. I didn't have to learn it the hard way.
Jannah Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 How many women these days know how to knit a scar in the first place? Plenty. But, that's besides the point.
Jannah Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 ladies, question: have your dates ever LOST points with you because they paid for dinner (or wherever you two were for the date)?? I'm having a hard time thinking of such a situation -- which is why I always insist on paying. after all, why risk losing points with her, needlessly? thoughts, ladies? No. And, I honestly don't mind going dutch and/or paying for activities down the road. The two LTR's that I was in, I've contributed financially in many different aspects so it was never a big deal and I enjoyed doing it.
Love Letter Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Guy pays, no matter what. It doesn't matter where, when, why or how... but the guy pays.
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Guy pays, no matter what. It doesn't matter where, when, why or how... but the guy pays. Ok, that's half of it... So what does the girl do? What is her responsibility in this?
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