zengirl Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 No, you get off it. Women have over a dozen methods of birth control. Men have one...ok two. Snip. Condoms are the only OTC method of birth control and most readily available. Dozens? I can't think of that many. Hormonal birth control comes in many forms, but the side effects and risks are mostly similar; it's one method. I suppose women also have diaphrams, but they have too high a fail rate and are basically similar to condoms. Both parties chose to have unprotected sex. Unless the guy was led to believe she was on BC by her, fraudulently, (that'd be her fault), it is their faults equally. A man who doesn't want to have a baby can use a condom, much more easily than a woman can get BC in the US.
Jazzari Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I never said that. wtf? Maybe I misread your post. You said that the only reason women don't use birth control is because they want a baby? Is that right?
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Maybe I misread your post. You said that the only reason women don't use birth control is because they want a baby? Is that right? Right, why else would they not be on it?
zengirl Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Maybe I misread your post. You said that the only reason women don't use birth control is because they want a baby? Is that right? Right, why else would they not be on it? Am I the only person who thinks this feels very "Who's on First"? I get what you're saying, Jazzari.
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Condoms are the only OTC method of birth control and most readily available. Dozens? I can't think of that many. Hormonal birth control comes in many forms, but the side effects and risks are mostly similar; it's one method. I suppose women also have diaphrams, but they have too high a fail rate and are basically similar to condoms. Contraceptive Sponge Diaphragm Cervical Cap Cervical Shield Female Condom Hormonal shot The Pill Vaginal ring Barrior methods The Patch IUD Spermicide What is their excuse?
zengirl Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Contraceptive Sponge Diaphragm Cervical Cap Cervical Shield Female Condom Hormonal shot The Pill Vaginal ring Barrior methods The Patch IUD Spermicide What is their excuse? Most of those are hormonal methods, which are not for all women and can have major side effects. Barrior method would be condoms, caps, shields, and diaphrams. Out of those, condoms work overwhelmingly best. Diaphrams work the second best, and they cause many accidental pregnancies. Hormonal birth control has the highest success rate (only slightly higher than condoms), but there are a lot of reasons not to be on it.
Jazzari Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Right, why else would they not be on it?There are lots of reasons not to use birth control. 1. They don't plan to be sexually active. 2. They don't like using hormones and prefer to use a condom. 3. Theyre stupid and don't think it will never happen to them. 4. They think only "bad girls" use birth control They then get caught up in the heat of the moment or are drunk and get pregnant anyway. Then they invariably get an abortion. If they *wanted* a baby to start with, there wouldn't be so many abortions. Am I the only person who thinks this feels very "Who's on First"? I get what you're saying, Jazzari. Thanks, lol!
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 All I have seen are excuses. I have probably put the makers of Durex children through college with my purchases. Why? Because I dont give a rats ass what a female may tell me I am wearing a condom. It seems your hormonal system values that of pregnancy. So, logic would dictate you would rather be pregnant than have to deal with hormonal aspects. Did I read that right? You don't want a baby, use birth control.
carhill Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I'd like to add, perhaps in light of the young lady as of yet not being confirmed to be pregnant, that condom use isn't exactly thrill city for a man either, but it's a necessary method to protect both from pregnancy and STD's. I hope the OP uses this event to reinforce his good sense about protecting both himself and his partner.
Jazzari Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 <snip> You don't want a baby, use birth control.I agree. But the sad fact is that people don't want a baby and still don't use birth control.
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I agree. But the sad fact is that people don't want a baby and still don't use birth control. Maybe you can answer this question. Why would a female not be on birth control, if she does not want to have a baby? No excuses, I want really want to hear this.
zengirl Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 All I have seen are excuses. I have probably put the makers of Durex children through college with my purchases. Why? Because I dont give a rats ass what a female may tell me I am wearing a condom. It seems your hormonal system values that of pregnancy. So, logic would dictate you would rather be pregnant than have to deal with hormonal aspects. Did I read that right? You don't want a baby, use birth control. Right, but both men and women should use BC is my point. Not that women shouldn't. But that men are equally responsible for having safe, protected sex. Not more responsible. Not less responsible. Equally responsible. It takes two. I take hormonal BC now. There are times when I couldn't safely take it because of other medications, etc. At that time, I used back-up BC. I'm smart about it, and I suggest everyone be smart about it, but putting the responsibility all on the woman because there happens to be hormonal BC for women and not for men seems unreasonable, is all. I'd like to add, perhaps in light of the young lady as of yet not being confirmed to be pregnant, that condom use isn't exactly thrill city for a man either, but it's a necessary method to protect both from pregnancy and STD's. I hope the OP uses this event to reinforce his good sense about protecting both himself and his partner. Condoms aren't thrill-city for me either, as a gal; it's not just men who don't always love the feel of them. But, as you say, protection and health come first.
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Right, but both men and women should use BC is my point. Not that women shouldn't. But that men are equally responsible for having safe, protected sex. Not more responsible. Not less responsible. Equally responsible. It takes two. I take hormonal BC now. There are times when I couldn't safely take it because of other medications, etc. At that time, I used back-up BC. I'm smart about it, and I suggest everyone be smart about it, but putting the responsibility all on the woman because there happens to be hormonal BC for women and not for men seems unreasonable, is all. Condoms aren't thrill-city for me either, as a gal; it's not just men who don't always love the feel of them. But, as you say, protection and health come first. That is all nice and lovely. Did you miss it earlier? Men CANNOT get pregnant.
zengirl Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 That is all nice and lovely. Did you miss it earlier? Men CANNOT get pregnant. They can get a girl pregnant. And it's going to be their problem if she keeps it, as it should be. They contributed. Unless they were lied to in some way (i.e. she said she was on hormonal BC and she wasn't), they bear just as much responsibility. Did you miss that earlier?
Jazzari Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Maybe you can answer this question. Why would a female not be on birth control, if she does not want to have a baby? No excuses, I want really want to hear this. 1. She doesn't think she will be sexually active. 2. She doesn't want (or can't be on) hormones. 3. She been taught that only sluts use birth control. 4. She thinks that "just this once" won't matter 5. She believe's that "pulling out" really works 6. She's freaking stupid.
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 1. She doesn't think she will be sexually active. 2. She doesn't want (or can't be on) hormones. 3. She been taught that only sluts use birth control. 4. She thinks that "just this once" won't matter 5. She believe's that "pulling out" really works 6. She's freaking stupid. These are naive reasons that get me laid a lot. Meh...nevermind.
NoLongerSad Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 OP, seriously, does this woman have a solid gold fuzzbox or something? What's exactly the attraction for you here? She sounds like a completely screwed up hose bag, TBH. Run forrest run.
sweetjasmine Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Contraceptive Sponge Diaphragm Cervical Cap Cervical Shield Female Condom Hormonal shot The Pill Vaginal ring Barrior methods The Patch IUD Spermicide What is their excuse? Last time you posted this list, you ignored my response. Everything you listed except for Depo has a significant failure rate. Contraceptive sponges in particular can have a failure rate anywhere from 9-32%, depending on several factors. If you wear a condom and it breaks, you must have wanted a baby. Right? Yes? Correct? [...] Forgot to add, spermicides are basically useless unless combined with another form of birth control. The failure rate for perfect use of spermicide alone is 18%. Congratulations, mommy and daddy. http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3130032&postcount=46 http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3130035&postcount=48 As for hormonal birth control, as with practically every type of prescription medication, there are contraindications, so there are a significant number of women out there who can't use the pill, patch, IUD, Depo, Norplant, the ring, or any other form of hormonal birth control. Not to mention, all of these forms require a prescription and some can be fairly expensive, particularly for the uninsured. Getting an IUD will cost you at least $500. How much does a 3-pack of condoms at the pharmacy cost? As for the rest, the most effective method (aside from being/becoming infertile or total abstinence) is the condom. I should also add that spermicides with nonoxynol-9 significantly increase the risk of HPV and HIV transmission. Yay.
Jynxx Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Great way to derail this thread. OP: Your gf is a raging whore. I usually try to not judge people, but I had to say it on this one. When she realises she is pregnant and the father doesn't want to take his responsibility, she will want to find someone who can take care of her and her child. It's her biological programming. DON'T BE THAT GUY. Don't be tricked in a relationship, because she will try to make you love her. Control your emotions, do not allow yourself to develop any feelings for her. Obviously it's even better to avoid her. Since the child isn't yours, do NOT do something you will regret later. If the child isn't yours and you've signed papers then good luck with trying to get your future kids get your inheritage and not share it with someone elses kid. Oh, and you deserve a punch in the face for seeing not getting involved with other peoples mistakes as selfish. She sure as hell didn't think about your concerns when she was riding a stranger unprotected.
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Last time you posted this list, you ignored my response. http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3130032&postcount=46 http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3130035&postcount=48 As for hormonal birth control, as with practically every type of prescription medication, there are contraindications, so there are a significant number of women out there who can't use the pill, patch, IUD, Depo, Norplant, the ring, or any other form of hormonal birth control. Not to mention, all of these forms require a prescription and some can be fairly expensive, particularly for the uninsured. Getting an IUD will cost you at least $500. How much does a 3-pack of condoms at the pharmacy cost? As for the rest, the most effective method (aside from being/becoming infertile or total abstinence) is the condom. I should also add that spermicides with nonoxynol-9 significantly increase the risk of HPV and HIV transmission. Yay. Ah, someone is paying attention. I like that. What is your question exactly? You need to be specific I am a simple man. I didn't see a question in that quote. Possibly why I could't have answered last time.
sweetjasmine Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Ah, someone is paying attention. I like that. What is your question exactly? You need to be specific I am a simple man. I didn't see a question in that quote. Possibly why I could't have answered last time. This was it: If you wear a condom and it breaks, you must have wanted a baby. Right? In any case, playing the blame game ("she must've wanted a baby!" -- who cares? Does it make a difference to the OP's situation?) and overreacting with "GET A DNA TEST!!" (on someone who hasn't been cleared by a doctor as being pregnant, on someone who doesn't even have a fetus old enough to get an amniocentesis to actually test anything) isn't going to help. OP needs to keep this crazy girl at a distance and not get involved in her problems and issues. We can all agree on that, I hope.
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 This was it: If you wear a condom and it breaks, you must have wanted a baby. Right? No, you wear a condom to avoid pregnancy (among other things). Now lets say that condom breaks. Would you not think a female would take that into consideration? I know you give your gender more credit than that. If a female is sexually active, and is SERIOUS about not having a baby. You would think she would use some sort of preventative maintenance. Right? After all men cannot get pregnant. Only women can. Right? Yes, so we agree. So would one not think in order to prevent pregnancy, you would avoid it, yes? All of those methods I listed for female deterrents, not one. Just one, is acceptable use? Yet, women like you want to pin it on us when you have all the options you would ever need. At least that is what I am getting from you and others. Am I off here? If you do not want a baby, use birth control! Right? How hard is that to ****ing understand?
Jazzari Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 No, you wear a condom to avoid pregnancy (among other things). Now lets say that condom breaks. Would you not think a female would take that into consideration? I know you give your gender more credit than that. If a female is sexually active, and is SERIOUS about not having a baby. You would think she would use some sort of preventative maintenance. Right? After all men cannot get pregnant. Only women can. Right? Yes, so we agree. So would one not think in order to prevent pregnancy, you would avoid it, yes? All of those methods I listed for female deterrents, not one. Just one, is acceptable use? Yet, women like you want to pin it on us when you have all the options you would ever need. At least that is what I am getting from you and others. Am I off here? If you do not want a baby, use birth control! Right? How hard is that to ****ing understand?Do you make sure a woman is on another form of birth control before banging her with a condom? If the man doesn't want a baby, don't bang a woman who isn't on birth control and make sure she is one that you can trust. You are equally responsible for any baby. Nice try though.
AverageJoe Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Do you make sure a woman is on another form of birth control before banging her with a condom? If the man doesn't want a baby, don't bang a woman who isn't on birth control and make sure she is one that you can trust. You are equally responsible for any baby. Nice try though. Again, blame it on the man. I never trust a women regardless of what she may tell me. I am always with the galoshes. In fact I have walked away from hot sex because of not being prepared. Was it hard (pun intended), damn right it was. But no amount of ejaculation is worth 18 yrs of child support. I have a 100% success rate. Explain that?
pookster72 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 it sounds like she's emotionally unstable and rebounding like crazy. i doubt she cares much about you or your relationship with her much at all. she's treating you like an emotional tampon.
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