Woman DO NOT like jerks...we DO WANT nice guys!

January 10, 2011

I don't live in Europe, I have not dated European women. How can you expect me to make judgments regarding their actions and culture when I have no experience in that?

If you like your women highly promiscuous... Two thumbs up... Bang away. If it offends you that I don't... that is your issue.

Personally, it offends me that you can read an article about 12-18 year old girls being targeted for rape and your response is that if they didn't act so trashy, they wouldn't have it coming to them.

There are a lot of things about modern culture that I despise as well--but if you can't even recognize the hatefulness oozing out of your pores, UF, you're in more dire need of therapy than I ever thought. And sadly, you're not even the worst poster in here.

This thread has gone horribly awry. Tony ought to shut it down.

January 10, 2011

However, the generalizations made in this thread by certain posters are so poorly reasoned that I couldn't possibly excuse them.

List them and explain why you believe them to be poorly reasoned.

It's easy to make a statement like this without backing it up.

Haha. I think the infraction point must have been held up in the post.
Yes, we can all be generalised in certain ways. Psychologist presents 16 basic temperaments, and we can probably all find one that we fit fairly neatly into. Each one no doubt having a corresponding stereotype which we might be less keen to slot into.
We're all stereotypes of some sort, however much we want to resist it and believe we're special. Still, as you touch on, there's more to all of us than simply good traditional foreign woman or trashy feminist Western whore, nice guy or jerk.

You realize that most people who use stereotypes realize the limitations of it... right?

Nothing in that post is worthy of being flagged. For the record I asked for your honest thought and am not offended to hear it.

January 10, 2011

This thread has gone horribly awry. Tony ought to shut it down.

Agreed.

I seriously wonder who these posters are to misrepresent who I am and misjudge my morals with such crude ignorance. I seriously wonder where the drive to use racialized terms to 'categorize' women comes from. To me it shows a lack of understanding of how both race and gender function in society: here's a white man purporting to categorize women's sexual ethics according to race. . By what authority might I ask? And I would love it if these same guys would spend some time researching those shows they mistake for reality and realized that they were written, directed and produced by men and women alike. Female sluttiness apparently is a hollywood production. It would be nice, also, if these men could distinguish media relations and public personas from reality.

January 10, 2011

"nice guy" traits I don't like:

Talking about your feelings early in the game. Calling or texting often is fine but keep it fun and light. Don't talk about soul mates or use flowerly language about how I touched your heart.

Acting needy and insecure. Example: When you ask a woman out, assume she will say yes. Don't ask her out like "You're probably busy, but would you like to...".

Act like your world revolves around me. If you have a prior committment - keep it. Don't change your plans to accomodate me. You can let me know you are very sorry we couldn't get together and schedule another time.

Take everything I say seriously or as a request. If I say I wish I had a new car, don't offer a loan or start looking into ways to help. Tell me about your dream car instead.

"nice guy" traits I do like:

Listening or giving a hug after a hard day.

Unexpected notes letting me know he's thinking about me. These should be short and simple. "hi, just wanted to send a hug your way", or "hi, just thinking about you". Even just a quick "stuck in a meeting, can't wait to get out of here". Anything to let me know he's thinking about me. But keep it light.

Helping out. If he knows I hate grocery shopping he can offer to go with me. Not do it himself, but go and make the chore more fun together. Maybe get into a debate on whether its best to buy cereal that you like or the one with the best toy.

Being complimentary without being overly effusive. "Wow, you look great!" works better than "you are the most beautiful woman I've ever seen".

January 10, 2011

Personally, it offends me that you can read an article about 12-18 year old girls being targeted for rape and your response is that if they didn't act so trashy, they wouldn't have it coming to them.

There are a lot of things about modern culture that I despise as well--but if you can't even recognize the hatefulness oozing out of your pores, UF, you're in more dire need of therapy than I ever thought. And sadly, you're not even the worst poster in here.

This thread has gone horribly awry. Tony ought to shut it down.

No you did not read me correctly or perhaps I didn't explain it well.

Do you really think I would blame 12yo rape victims for being victims? If that's the case you know nothing about me. Those rapists should be castrated and executed... as should all child molesters. The fact that the worst prison sentence was only 11 years just proves to me that they don't consider rape to be much of a crime. In the U.S. Bank robbers get a mandatory 25 to life.

I believe I spoke VERY clearly about the culture as a whole which undeniably had a hand in causing those poor girls to be victims. People need to realize that when they take actions they affect others even if indirectly. When you allow or encourage women to act poorly in large numbers... it will create a reputation that will label them all.

Don't get me wrong... I still blame the perps for the act, but it likely would not have occurred this way in a culture where women have moral standards.

January 10, 2011

Originally Posted by The Fourth Planet

Perhaps this post/thread could benefit from using the words "some" a little more, rather than "women want". It's such an overgeneralization it's not even funny. And it could benefit from age segments too. What a horny 20 year old frat boy wants is far different than what a grown man might want. Horny young dude, putting notches on his belt, screwing as many women as possible, no cares. A grown man, that wants a respectful relationship and connection, is probably not hanging out at the local bar picking up one night stands by the armfuls, screwing them in the back seat of the car and bragging to his friends and fist-bumping. Spare me. Men are more complex than you make them out to be...

-I pointed out that what "some" women want when they are younger, is not necessarily what they want when they are older (often). To think that ALL women pine away -after and for -bad boys once they grow up and evolve, is silly. SURE some do, yes some like the bad-a**es, etc but there are a zillion women that would not ever choose that. We all have a type-it's to each his or her own. And you have no idea how these people with "bad images" actually treat their women. Just because someone is a rapper or wrestler, does not necessarily make him a thug or jerk, and he may very well respect his woman just as much as some so called nergy, tree-huggin, nice guy.

To say that the only reason women want "nice guys" is because these women have become old and weathered is ridiculous. I choose nice, and strong and sensitive & bold guys now because they have more to offer me, are more supportive, kind, want to part of my world, I am not always worried about what they are doing, etc etc. The list goes on. Don't confuse nice with boring, don't confuse nice with wussy, and certainly don't confuse nice with "lame sex", especially that. Most jerks and selfish men don't know a thing about how to please a woman because they are so caught up in pleasing themselves, they are clueless. With age comes experience, and a young man out to put notches on his belt is not the dude that is going to please me or tempt me, barf.

Is it even fathomable that a 30 or 40 year old will get sick of bad boys or never liked them, (not cause they are desperate, but because they grew out of that) and have different needs and preferences as they age? Hello out there, wow. I know many of my friends in their 40's that look better now than they did in their 30's. Far from old and used up, far from being worn out whores as you so put. As a matter of fact, way more than half of my friends, majority, never liked bad boys, never had WILD promiscuous behavior you think is rampant etc etc. Some did, just some. And yup, they outgrew it, all of them. So this ideal that you say all women want, just not true, flawed and silly.

I think that this conversation could be better addressed if we separated it into a few age groups. 20-30, 30-40 and 40-50. I betcha what the 50 year old men want, is a far cry from what the 20 year olds want. PEOPLE evolve. Both genders. So let's stop trying to paint all genders with one brush and preference.

January 10, 2011

Don't get me wrong... I still blame the perps for the act, but it likely would not have occurred this way in a culture where women have moral standards.

Oh, nobody is getting you wrong - AT ALL.

January 10, 2011

Oh, nobody is getting you wrong - AT ALL.

I'm glad you agree with me.

January 10, 2011

"nice guy" traits I don't like:
Talking about your feelings early in the game. Calling or texting often is fine but keep it fun and light. Don't talk about soul mates or use flowerly language about how I touched your heart.
Acting needy and insecure. Example: When you ask a woman out, assume she will say yes. Don't ask her out like "You're probably busy, but would you like to...".
Act like your world revolves around me. If you have a prior committment - keep it. Don't change your plans to accomodate me. You can let me know you are very sorry we couldn't get together and schedule another time.
Take everything I say seriously or as a request. If I say I wish I had a new car, don't offer a loan or start looking into ways to help. Tell me about your dream car instead.

"nice guy" traits I do like:
Listening or giving a hug after a hard day.
Unexpected notes letting me know he's thinking about me. These should be short and simple. "hi, just wanted to send a hug your way", or "hi, just thinking about you". Even just a quick "stuck in a meeting, can't wait to get out of here". Anything to let me know he's thinking about me. But keep it light.
Helping out. If he knows I hate grocery shopping he can offer to go with me. Not do it himself, but go and make the chore more fun together. Maybe get into a debate on whether its best to buy cereal that you like or the one with the best toy.
Being complimentary without being overly effusive. "Wow, you look great!" works better than "you are the most beautiful woman I've ever seen".

So, given all that... can you take the good with the bad?

January 10, 2011

Don't get me wrong... I still blame the perps for the act, but it likely would not have occurred this way in a culture where women have moral standards.

This is blatantly untrue. Girls are raped even in countries where sexuality is so tightly wound that the raped woman can be put to death (she is the criminal) for it. Of course, these rapes are less often reported. If being raped was a crime, it would be. Rape occurs in every country. Rape statistics tend to be higher in countries that are more sexually open because they will treat it like a crime and prosecute.

I used to counsel girls in Japan who were raped or abused (being raped is, of course, not a crime there, though rape is, but sexuality is handled differently, even though it's not THAT uptight). Even though Japan isn't exactly Saudi Arabia, it was shameful to their families to come forward, and the handling of the cases is much less likely to be seriously done (by law enforcement) than in the U.S. This is changing, but rape statistics have everything to do with things like this.

Rape is not about sex. It is about power, domination, anger, and rage. The openness of sexuality in Western countries has not created it, nor allowed it to fester. If anything, it's the only combat we have against it.

January 10, 2011

I'm glad you agree with me.

In that we all know you're dispicable with the statement such as the one I quoted, yeah.

January 10, 2011

Yeah, I only did marginally well with women, until I acquired an aloof attitude, then my numbers started to go up. Women associate a guy who is a jerk = power, and women crave male power.

The problem for women is, once they hit 30, their sexual market value starts to diminish, so they can no longer attract the hot alpha jerk types any more - The type who gives them gina tingles. So they have to go more towards the nicer guys. They spent their 20's screwing every alpha that moves, ignoring the nice guys.

Then, as they approach 35, their sexual market value begins to plummet drastically, until sometime between 35 and 40, her sexual market value reaches zero. It is during this time that the former slutty 20 something female begins not to hand out sex so readily. She makes a nice guy work for it, oh, she may get the occasional alpha male to screw her, but he only goes there for the easy, convenient lay, and essentially uses her as a cum dumpster, then runs for his life.

(I do this with the plethora of 30 something, bitter, angry drunk single broads in my neighbourhood who can't get a guy to take them seriously anymore)

As the rapidly worn out and moth eaten female starts losing her magical powers, she stubbornly resists for a few years - only to find out that even the nice guys don't want her anymore either.

She then becomes desperate, and starts to behave like a rampant slut again, just like in her 20's, only this time, she will take any cock she can find - old graying cocks, fat bastard cocks, nerd cocks, street person cocks, druggie loser cocks, whitehead covered pustule cocks - anything she can get, in any hole too.

She then becomes completely shagged out.

Her sexual market value is now less than zero, she acquires that look that only a desperate proto-hag gets who has had 100+ cocks in her during her lifetime - a look that us men can spot a mile away. Oh sure, she may still somehow have her looks to a certain extent, but it is marred by that look.....

This is what feminism is capitalising on.

Is this the latest installment from National geographic? Crazed talks and categorizes women as if observing animals in the wild.

January 10, 2011

"nice guy" traits I don't like:

Talking about your feelings early in the game. Calling or texting often is fine but keep it fun and light. Don't talk about soul mates or use flowerly language about how I touched your heart.

Acting needy and insecure. Example: When you ask a woman out, assume she will say yes. Don't ask her out like "You're probably busy, but would you like to...".

Act like your world revolves around me. If you have a prior committment - keep it. Don't change your plans to accomodate me. You can let me know you are very sorry we couldn't get together and schedule another time.

Take everything I say seriously or as a request. If I say I wish I had a new car, don't offer a loan or start looking into ways to help. Tell me about your dream car instead.

"nice guy" traits I do like:

Listening or giving a hug after a hard day.

Unexpected notes letting me know he's thinking about me. These should be short and simple. "hi, just wanted to send a hug your way", or "hi, just thinking about you". Even just a quick "stuck in a meeting, can't wait to get out of here". Anything to let me know he's thinking about me. But keep it light.

Helping out. If he knows I hate grocery shopping he can offer to go with me. Not do it himself, but go and make the chore more fun together. Maybe get into a debate on whether its best to buy cereal that you like or the one with the best toy.

Being complimentary without being overly effusive. "Wow, you look great!" works better than "you are the most beautiful woman I've ever seen".

great post; how about your likes/dislikes regarding the "bad boy" aka "jerk".

do tell.

January 10, 2011

Yeah, I only did marginally well with women, until I acquired an aloof attitude, then my numbers started to go up. Women associate a guy who is a jerk = power, and women crave male power.

The problem for women is, once they hit 30, their sexual market value starts to diminish, so they can no longer attract the hot alpha jerk types any more - The type who gives them gina tingles. So they have to go more towards the nicer guys. They spent their 20's screwing every alpha that moves, ignoring the nice guys.

Then, as they approach 35, their sexual market value begins to plummet drastically, until sometime between 35 and 40, her sexual market value reaches zero. It is during this time that the former slutty 20 something female begins not to hand out sex so readily. She makes a nice guy work for it, oh, she may get the occasional alpha male to screw her, but he only goes there for the easy, convenient lay, and essentially uses her as a cum dumpster, then runs for his life.

(I do this with the plethora of 30 something, bitter, angry drunk single broads in my neighbourhood who can't get a guy to take them seriously anymore)

As the rapidly worn out and moth eaten female starts losing her magical powers, she stubbornly resists for a few years - only to find out that even the nice guys don't want her anymore either.

She then becomes desperate, and starts to behave like a rampant slut again, just like in her 20's, only this time, she will take any cock she can find - old graying cocks, fat bastard cocks, nerd cocks, street person cocks, druggie loser cocks, whitehead covered pustule cocks - anything she can get, in any hole too.

She then becomes completely shagged out.

Her sexual market value is now less than zero, she acquires that look that only a desperate proto-hag gets who has had 100+ cocks in her during her lifetime - a look that us men can spot a mile away. Oh sure, she may still somehow have her looks to a certain extent, but it is marred by that look.....

This is what feminism is capitalising on.

For real, this is for real? Eloquent speech. Laughably off base, and just offensive and disgusting. Just not sure what point there is to say stuff like this. You are not making the so called "sluts" any more or less slutty. So for classy guys like you, who do you expect to date and settle down with? If it's not one of these girls, then it is presumable a better one.

Why would someone of class, character and heart want to bed down or date, or marry someone with this attitude? It's not an impressive background, and even if it is getting you laid, so what? Where do you go from here? WHo is really used up, you or them? Sounds like you are the same version of what you hate, in them? No? You seem like the prize here-the prize for the slutty girl you hate?

wow, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

January 10, 2011

This is blatantly untrue. Girls are raped even in countries where sexuality is so tightly wound that the raped woman can be put to death (she is the criminal) for it. Of course, these rapes are less often reported. If being raped was a crime, it would be. Rape occurs in every country. Rape statistics tend to be higher in countries that are more sexually open because they will treat it like a crime and prosecute.
I used to counsel girls in Japan who were raped or abused (being raped is, of course, not a crime there, though rape is, but sexuality is handled differently, even though it's not THAT uptight). Even though Japan isn't exactly Saudi Arabia, it was shameful to their families to come forward, and the handling of the cases is much less likely to be seriously done (by law enforcement) than in the U.S. This is changing, but rape statistics have everything to do with things like this.
Rape is not about sex. It is about power, domination, anger, and rage. The openness of sexuality in Western countries has not created it, nor allowed it to fester. If anything, it's the only combat we have against it.

These girls were targeted specifically because of the reputation other women of their culture have created and thrust upon them.

The rapists worked in a gang. A gang!

How does sexual promiscuity help prevent rape?

In that we all know you're dispicable with the statement such as the one I quoted, yeah.

So you feel society has zero culpability for this particular crime? Please, do explain your reasoning.

January 10, 2011

So you feel society has zero culpability for this particular crime? Please, do explain your reasoning.

Please explain, in your side, why you blame women's morals rather than men's when it comes to rape. If we're talking about society, than we're talking about ALL of society right? Shouldn't men learn to control their sexuality?

January 10, 2011

Listen, I've seen it all. In my 20's, I banged married broads, broads in 'committed relationships', bi-sexual broads, older 'cougar' type broads in my 30's, jealous broads, broads in their 30's, drunk horny broads, easy broads, I had long term relationships, FB's, one night stands with broads. Gorgeous broads, not so gorgeous broads, my friend's ex girlfriends, I've had two or three broads going at once. I've slept with my female boss too.

I've got back on my cheating ex girlfriend by banging her friend, I've stayed with a broad who cheated on me for a year, when I was young and stupid, and then exacted revenge by sleeping around indescrimately, I would even sleep with two women in the same day, making sure that my cheating ex was always the second woman that day.....

The sheer number of desperate 30 and 40 something women where I live is unreal. No guy was good enough for them, and now, they are bitter angry drunks destined to be husbandless, childless and living with 14 cats. They are good for an easy lay though.

I've slept with women from all over the spectrum - educated, non educated, career women......they're all quite similar in most respects.

Nope, I am done listening, it's a waste of my time and energy. Feeds your fire. Best I can do is say that I will pray for you, and hope that less people are hurt by you in the future.

The end....

January 10, 2011

For real, this is for real? Eloquent speech. Laughably off base, and just offensive and disgusting. Just not sure what point there is to say stuff like this. You are not making the so called "sluts" any more or less slutty. So for classy guys like you, who do you expect to date and settle down with? If it's not one of these girls, then it is presumable a better one.

Why would someone of class, character and heart want to bed down or date, or marry someone with this attitude? It's not an impressive background, and even if it is getting you laid, so what? Where do you go from here? WHo is really used up, you or them? Sounds like you are the same version of what you hate, in them? No? You seem like the prize here-the prize for the slutty girl you hate?

wow, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

c'mon. this is how guys talk to other guys. he was candid, vivid and made his point. all cander aside, he's not necessarily wrong.

any man over 28, with a healthy social life, has at least caught a glimpse of what he describes. I know the look he's referring to.

if reworded in a more PC fashion, I believe many a woman would agree with his post. he's on base.

January 10, 2011

These girls were targeted specifically because of the reputation other women of their culture have created and thrust upon them.

The rapists worked in a gang. A gang!

How does sexual promiscuity help prevent rape?

And my point is that rape is rape, and changing forms doesn't matter. That's what the guys SAID maybe, but it's not the reason for the rape, really. Rape happens everywhere. And reputation is not a real "reason" for it; it may be the packaging a rapist gives, but it's not a fundamental driving cause. Or at least there's no evidence to support it is and plenty of evidence to support it isn't.

My other point isn't that promiscuity prevents rape, but that a society that openly discusses and is less provincial or backwards about human sexuality is the only defense against it, because it's the only kind of society that can defend, protect against, and prosecute rape. Societies that are sexually backwards and view female sexuality as "wrong" are much less likely, history has shown, to give women a place to report rapes or to prosecute the perpetrators seriously.

I'm not promiscuous, but I see no difference between female promiscuity and male promiscuity. And no reason why either invites crime.

January 10, 2011

Listen, I've seen it all. In my 20's, I banged married broads, broads in 'committed relationships', bi-sexual broads, older 'cougar' type broads in my 30's, jealous broads, broads in their 30's, much younger broads, drunk horny broads, easy broads, I had long term relationships, FB's, one night stands with broads. Gorgeous broads, not so gorgeous broads, my friend's ex girlfriends, I've had two or three broads going at once. I've slept with my female boss too.

I've got back on my cheating ex girlfriend by banging her friend, I've stayed with a broad who cheated on me for a year, when I was young and stupid, and then exacted revenge by sleeping around indescrimately, I would even sleep with two women in the same day, making sure that my cheating ex was always the second woman that day.....

The sheer number of desperate 30 and 40 something women where I live is unreal. No guy was good enough for them, and now, they are bitter angry drunks destined to be husbandless, childless and living with 14 cats. They are good for an easy lay though.

I've slept with women from all over the spectrum - educated, non educated, career women......they're all quite similar in most respects.

Even a good friend of mine who is 44 (a woman whom I've never slept with) admitted to me just yesterday, that she went out on Sat. nite, met some really drunk kid who is 24, started making out with him heavily, took him home and screwed him. She admitted she would never see him again and doesn't even know his name. She somehow feels 'empowered' being used as a young man's release, a cum dumpster.

The only common denominator in this scenario is... You. Maybe you need better moral standards.

January 10, 2011

Please explain, in your side, why you blame women's morals rather than men's when it comes to rape. If we're talking about society, than we're talking about ALL of society right? Shouldn't men learn to control their sexuality?

I do blame the men. In my opinion the PickUp Artist type guys are disgusting. I believe men in my country should be much more protective... not just of the women in our families... but also with women who are strangers. Also, we need to respect women. One of my biggest issues with American dating culture is that there just is almost no respect for each other. It's like people are disposable.

Now the rapists themselves. I think they tend to be men who feel powerless in their lives, so they find someone they perceive to be weaker and use sex to feel as though they are exerting dominance. The best way to stop them is to take away the perception of women as weak and wonton targets.

January 10, 2011

c'mon. this is how guys talk to other guys. he was candid, vivid and made his point. all cander aside, he's not necessarily wrong.

any man over 28, with a healthy social life, has at least caught a glimpse of what he describes. I know the look he's referring to.

if reworded in a more PC fashion, I believe many a woman would agree with his post. he's on base.

HE is talking to women, and men, so really. Silly to think he is in the men's locker room shooting the sh** with just da' boyz. He is on a forum with women!!!. My response was pretty mild based on other posts I saw from him. I don't have to agree with him at all. Not hating, not my thing, just felt like throwing up a little :sick:. He put out some stuff, I replied. No biggie, as I said, not really interested in going more rounds.

Peace out

January 10, 2011

I do blame the men. In my opinion the PickUp Artist type guys are disgusting. I believe men in my country should be much more protective... not just of the women in our families... but also with women who are strangers. Also, we need to respect women. One of my biggest issues with American dating culture is that there just is almost no respect for each other. It's like people are disposable.

Now the rapists themselves. I think they tend to be men who feel powerless in their lives, so they find someone they perceive to be weaker and use sex to feel as though they are exerting dominance. The best way to stop them is to take away the perception of women as weak and wonton targets.

You just said two completely opposite things. First you said, that men should be "protective" of women, and then you said we should "take away the perception of women as weak." Also, taking away a woman's sexuality and making it less acceptable than a man's weakens her; it doesn't strengthen her.

As far as the respect thing goes, of course I think our society (and pretty much every society I've ever seen) could use more respect. I don't think promiscuity or sexuality has one thing to do with that. And certainly I find many of the things you say disrespectful and even dehumanizing towards women. So, what's respect? Is it chastity? That seems rather silly. The socities that most value a woman's chastity are the ones that least respect women as people.

Everyone, male or female, has felt ill-used by dating at some point, whether they were maliciously ill-used or not. That's the truth. And certainly we could do a bit better to be kind and constructive with our fellow human beings, but that has not one thing to do with the way a woman dresses or how many men she's slept with.

January 10, 2011

And my point is that rape is rape, and changing forms doesn't matter. That's what the guys SAID maybe, but it's not the reason for the rape, really. Rape happens everywhere. And reputation is not a real "reason" for it; it may be the packaging a rapist gives, but it's not a fundamental driving cause. Or at least there's no evidence to support it is and plenty of evidence to support it isn't.

I can't really tell you how rapists think. What I can say is that promiscuous behavior objectifies women as sex objects. I believe that make it MUCH easier for some men to commit crimes like rape.

My other point isn't that promiscuity prevents rape, but that a society that openly discusses and is less provincial or backwards about human sexuality is the only defense against it, because it's the only kind of society that can defend, protect against, and prosecute rape. Societies that are sexually backwards and view female sexuality as "wrong" are much less likely, history has shown, to give women a place to report rapes or to prosecute the perpetrators seriously.
I'm not promiscuous, but I see no difference between female promiscuity and male promiscuity. And no reason why either invites crime.

I do not like male or female promiscuity. It leads to human devaluation, where people treat one another as the sum of their genitals. I believe this issue is specifically more potent for women because male and female sexuality is different.

I agree with what you say about backwards societies... which tend to be too strongly patriarchal. However, you must strike a balance. Society today is too loose, and as a result we easily objectify women as sex objects.

January 10, 2011

I can't really tell you how rapists think. What I can say is that promiscuous behavior objectifies women as sex objects. I believe that make it MUCH easier for some men to commit crimes like rape.

I cannot tell you exactly how rapists think, nor do I think they all think alike, but I can tell you that promiscuity or percieved promiscuity is not a real factor adopted by most criminal science/social scientistific research in terms of most rapes.

I do not believe promiscuity is even a significant factor in leading to men objectifying women. Many men objectify chaste women. I see it on LS almost every time I log in. It's where the foreign bride fetish (obviously not every American/foreign marriage) comes from.

I do not like male or female promiscuity.

This is fair enough. As a practice, it's not my cuppa either, by the by. I'm not promiscuous, and I don't date promiscuous men, though I am very open about sexuality and think Americans are a bit too provincial sometimes. The madonna/whore complex is just one small part of this.

It leads to human devaluation, where people treat one another as the sum of their genitals.

So does over-emphasizing chastity. In fact, in a societal sense, it does much more so.

I believe this issue is specifically more potent for women because male and female sexuality is different.

We definitely disagree here, but I don't have time for that conversation.

I agree with what you say about backwards societies... which tend to be too strongly patriarchal. However, you must strike a balance. Society today is too loose, and as a result we easily objectify women as sex objects.

Women were objects long before the sex taboo began to unravel (it still exists), and much more so. Allowing women to take charge of their own sexuality, and treating female sexuality and male sexuality as human sexuality instead of separating it, would be the best way to stop objectifying women. You can objectify a chaste woman for her chastity just as easily as a promiscuous woman for her sexuality.

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