Woman DO NOT like jerks...we DO WANT nice guys!

January 10, 2011

Notice the contrast people? All of the black and Asian women have class, whilst the white women promote themselves purely on the skank factor. MADONNA being the worst offender.

The racism in this statement is almost palpable.

ALL huh? Ever heard of Lil Kim? Or seen some of Keri Hilson's videos? And Janet Jackson has had her slutty moments.

Dressing or acting slutty has NOTHING to do with being black or white or Asian.

January 10, 2011

Too right unforgettable fire!

White Women have been promoting themselves as slutty in the media since even before Madonna, in the spirit of being 'sexually liberated'. It's been force fed to the world through feminism and the mainstream media. But no man better dare say anything about it, otherwise we're 'stereotyping' and 'judging'.

Sorry, but western white women are responsible for the perception they have put out there of themselves due to their feministic agenda.

You make a solid point... but you need to acknowledge that it is a cultural issue much more than a racial issue.

In my experience black women get treated worse than any other group on the planet.

January 10, 2011

Then tell me why there are ZERO minority celebrities that promote themselves solely on the 'slut' or 'skank' factor? Just because they are less in number, it still doesn't make the fact disappear that most white women celebrities promote themselves using sex and little else these days.

When it comes to the rock and pop industry, most people who have a high profile, regardless of their colour or their gender, are using their sexuality to promote themselves. It's that kind of industry. You might perceive a white woman who promotes herself by wearing revealing clothes as skanky while not perceiving a black woman in revealing clothes in the same insulting way. That's your self fueling negative perception of white women in action.

The reason you regard most "white women celebrities" as promoting themselves using sex and little else is most probably because the famous white women you personally notice are the ones who are portraying themselves in a sexy manner.

January 10, 2011

IMO, Rihanna is not exactly classy.

Anyway, I think it has more to do with the fact that black (asian, etc.) women must have a talent and fight hard to achieve a celebrity status. Montana Fishburne is trying to break that barrier though.

January 10, 2011

Snookie, Rhianna and Tia Tequila come immediately to mind. I'd actually put Janet Jackson on that list too. But again, there aren't that many minority celebrities compared to white.

White Classy Celebs: Sandra Bullock, Angelina Jolie, Gwenith Paltrow, Katie Holmes, Kiera Knightly, Nicole Kidman, Anne Hathaway, Julia Roberts, Jessica Alba, Natalie Portman, Michelle Pfieffer, Cameron Diaz, Jennifer Aniston, Helen Hunt, Reese Witherspoon, Scarlett Johansson, you could go on and on...

January 10, 2011

Why do these threads always end up in male posters dictating what they feel are 'proper females' and 'proper female' behaviours?

As to the race thing! Come on! AS IF there's any basis to those claims. Who cares! Women are allowed to enjoy sex and portray themselves how they wish. It has nothing to do with race.

January 10, 2011

Oh, absolutely it is cultural 100%!
Black women do get treated poorly. In Canada it's a little better, but definitely. It's sad because look at how much they have to offer. Tina Turner is one of the greatest ever female artists and got sadly overshadowed by other artists.

My point was that by embracing mainstream American Culture... it forces a certain degree of sluttiness on any girl.

Part of that is the fault of 60's feminists. Their idea of sexual liberation for women meant being a rampant whore. The effect of which is basically an emotional self cutting ritual. If a woman really wanted to be sexually liberated... she should place a VERY high value on sex and require strong commitment from any man she sleeps with.

IMO, Rihanna is not exactly classy.
Anyway, I think it has more to do with the fact that black (asian, etc.) women must have a talent and fight hard to achieve a celebrity status. Montana Fishburne is trying to break that barrier though.

Yeah... the Rihanna, Chris Brown situation is a good example of how our culture treats violence against black women. Chris Brown got what...? Probation? And the guy's career is right back on track, making movies and everything.

Montana Fishburne is just nasty. What she doesn't realize is that those other celebs who got famous with sex tapes were good looking.

Anyway... We raise our little girls to go out and look for Chris Brown type guys. The title of this thread is that women want "nice guys"... which I completely believe. Now if she said that she actually dated "nice guys" and treated them well... Then I'd be shocked.

January 10, 2011

White Classy Celebs: Sandra Bullock, Angelina Jolie, Gwenith Paltrow, Katie Holmes, Kiera Knightly, Nicole Kidman, Anne Hathaway, Julia Roberts, Jessica Alba, Natalie Portman, Michelle Pfieffer, Cameron Diaz, Jennifer Aniston, Helen Hunt, Reese Witherspoon, Scarlett Johansson, you could go on and on...

Julia Roberts? Classy? No way! I think she cheated on every guy she has ever been with... and several times a homewrecker!

Why do these threads always end up in male posters dictating what they feel are 'proper females' and 'proper female' behaviours?
As to the race thing! Come on! AS IF there's any basis to those claims. Who cares! Women are allowed to enjoy sex and portray themselves how they wish. It has nothing to do with race.

Life provides us a wonderful array of choices in how to live our lives. That doesn't mean all of our choices are free of judgement.

So... if your definition of enjoying sex is unemotional hookups with random men, that's your choice. I and any other man out there also have the right to deem you a lower class of woman for those actions. Your right to act like a tramp is not any greater or any less than my right to judge you for it.

January 10, 2011

Why do these threads always end up in male posters dictating what they feel are 'proper females' and 'proper female' behaviours?

Interesting, because, among my offline friends, it's usually the female ones that do that.

January 10, 2011

Why do these threads always end up in male posters dictating what they feel are 'proper females' and 'proper female' behaviours?

I think the ones who do that probably spend so much time watching porn and old reruns of Sex In The City, that this has skewed their perception of females. Makes them obsessed with the notion that normal real life women are behaving in the same way that their porn fantasy woman behaves....so they feel the need to deliver these moralising lectures.

January 10, 2011

I've noted over many years that, when one is a stable and good person, little is *perceived* to stand out from the crowd. Women and men tend to go for the 'standout' in romance.

this is a great insight!

January 10, 2011

I think the ones who do that probably spend so much time watching porn and old reruns of Sex In The City, that this has skewed their perception of females. Makes them obsessed with the notion that normal real life women are behaving in the same way that their porn fantasy woman behaves....so they feel the need to deliver these moralising lectures.

I don't appreciate the snide remarks or backhanded personal attack. If you want to insult me at least find the courage to do it directly.

I dated over 20 women in 2010 before I started going out with my current GF. I've seen only 1 episode of Sex and the City.

I have a pretty good idea of how most women conduct themselves in my area. A few are genuine ladies!

January 10, 2011

I don't appreciate the snide remarks or backhanded personal attack. If you want to insult me at least find the courage to do it directly.

Pleased to oblige. You are an ignorant, misogynistic, idiotic and embittered twat who is hell bent on promoting negative stereotypes about white American women. If you have an issue with a white American ex-girlfriend, you should have the courage to take this up with her directly instead of forever venting online about white American women.

January 10, 2011

I have to be fair and say that I never knew a cold hearted witch that struggled with men either. Every maneater I have known has a ton of lining themselves up to become the next victim. It seems that in today's world actually being a good person has little to no value to many people. It's sad.

tis true.

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January 10, 2011

Pleased to oblige. You are an ignorant, misogynistic, idiotic and embittered twat who is hell bent on promoting negative stereotypes about white American women. If you have an issue with a white American ex-girlfriend, you should have the courage to take this up with her directly instead of forever venting online about white American women.

I'm actually happy to see you finally put some bloody emotion into a post. The dispassionate lecturing robot spewing broken logic is a much more irritating tone. I now also realize you really can't tell the difference between me and other posters. I might toss out stereotypes but at least I have the mental capacity to tell one poster from another.

Since you seem to be confused about something let me set you straight. I do not have anything against white women. I do not like any woman who acts in a manner consistent with mainstream American Culture... regardless of race.

As for the rest of it... think whatever you like.

January 10, 2011

Pleased to oblige. You are an ignorant, misogynistic, idiotic and embittered twat who is hell bent on promoting negative stereotypes about white American women. If you have an issue with a white American ex-girlfriend, you should have the courage to take this up with her directly instead of forever venting online about white American women.

I'm in agreement. To be honest, I'm the kind of person who thinks that human beings are far more predictable than not. I don't like the perspective of viewing human beings as special and unique individuals who each have their own behaviors and therefore cannot and should not be generalized or categorized in any way. I usually dismiss that sort of talk as mamby-pamby nonsense. However, the generalizations made in this thread by certain posters are so poorly reasoned that I couldn't possibly excuse them.

Either way, get ready to get reprimanded for this post (though I'm sure you anticipate that already).

January 10, 2011

I'm actually happy to see you finally put some bloody emotion into a post. The dispassionate lecturing robot spewing broken logic is a much more irritating tone. I now also realize you really can't tell the difference between me and other posters. I might toss out stereotypes but at least I have the mental capacity to tell one poster from another.

Since you seem to be confused about something let me set you straight. I do not have anything against white women. I do not like any woman who acts in a manner consistent with mainstream American Culture... regardless of race.

As for the rest of it... think whatever you like.

You focus too much on "American" and "woman" here. What you say applies far more generally. Modern generations of Europeans/Central Americans/Asians really aren't that far off in terms of "culture" and "values" from Americans. There are some nuanced differences in terms of religious and sexual norms (Europeans tend to be less stuck up about both), but for the most part, a majority of people in every Western "culture" nowadays completely buy into watered down commercialized nonsense and lead a shallow, selfish, and consumer-driven existence. You're completely dense if you think this applies to women in the US only.

I certainly hope you never date anyone from Europe, since most of the stereotypes I've heard is that if you go out in most European countries on any given night, you're EXTREMELY likely to go home with a woman provided you don't look like the Elephant Man, more so than in the US. That probably has to do with the less stuck-up attitude towards sexuality. A generalization? Yes, but you do plenty of that so I'm sure you won't mind. Many acquaintances I have from other message boards who originate from the UK and have spent time on both sides of the ocean tend to corroborate this. The point of the anecdote is, people outside of the US are doing plenty of the same stuff you condemn American women for doing: being promiscuous.

Edited January 10, 2011 by TheBigQuestion

January 10, 2011

Pleased to oblige. You are an ignorant, misogynistic, idiotic and embittered twat who is hell bent on promoting negative stereotypes about white American women. If you have an issue with a white American ex-girlfriend, you should have the courage to take this up with her directly instead of forever venting online about white American women.

You go girl!

I second this ENTIRE motion!!!

January 10, 2011

This is how I see it too.

Nice guy = Doormat

Jerk = Confidence

That's funny because the way I see it as a woman is:

Nice guy= Secure with his manhood.

Jerk= Insecure with his manhood and his standing amongst other men.

January 10, 2011

That's funny because the way I see it as a woman is:

Nice guy= Secure with his manhood.

Jerk= Insecure with his manhood and his standing amongst other men.

Yup. The bolded sounds JUST like my honey!

January 10, 2011

You focus too much on "American" and "woman" here. What you say applies far more generally. Modern generations of Europeans/Central Americans/Asians really aren't that far off in terms of "culture" and "values" from Americans. There are some nuanced differences in terms of religious and sexual norms (Europeans tend to be less stuck up about both), but for the most part, a majority of people in every Western "culture" nowadays completely buy into watered down commercialized nonsense and lead a shallow, selfish, and consumer-driven existence. You're completely dense if you think this applies to women in the US only.

I certainly hope you never date anyone from Europe, since most of the stereotypes I've heard is that if you go out in most European countries on any given night, you're EXTREMELY likely to go home with a woman provided you don't look like the Elephant Man, more so than in the US. That probably has to do with the less stuck-up attitude towards sexuality. A generalization? Yes, but you do plenty of that so I'm sure you won't mind. Many acquaintances I have from other message boards who originate from the UK and have spent time on both sides of the ocean tend to corroborate this. The point of the anecdote is, people outside of the US are doing plenty of the same stuff you condemn American women for doing: being promiscuous.

I don't live in Europe, I have not dated European women. How can you expect me to make judgments regarding their actions and culture when I have no experience in that?

If you like your women highly promiscuous... Two thumbs up... Bang away. If it offends you that I don't... that is your issue.

January 10, 2011

I'm in agreement. To be honest, I'm the kind of person who thinks that human beings are far more predictable than not. I don't like the perspective of viewing human beings as special and unique individuals who each have their own behaviors and therefore cannot and should not be generalized or categorized in any way. I usually dismiss that sort of talk as mamby-pamby nonsense. However, the generalizations made in this thread by certain posters are so poorly reasoned that I couldn't possibly excuse them.

Either way, get ready to get reprimanded for this post (though I'm sure you anticipate that already).

Haha. I think the infraction point must have been held up in the post.

Yes, we can all be generalised in certain ways. Psychologist presents 16 basic temperaments, and we can probably all find one that we fit fairly neatly into. Each one no doubt having a corresponding stereotype which we might be less keen to slot into.

We're all stereotypes of some sort, however much we want to resist it and believe we're special. Still, as you touch on, there's more to all of us than simply good traditional foreign woman or trashy feminist Western whore, nice guy or jerk.

January 10, 2011

Because it's true and it works.

Let me tell you. I used to be one of those ... nice guys. I listened to women, cared about them, bought them flowers, wrote lovely letters to them, and all that boring crap. I was like this for so many years. How far did all of this got me? Not far. It got me little to no action from women. All the while, the guys who were trouble makers or pricks got all the hot girls. And I wasn't the only nice guy who was getting ignored either. A lot of us were not given the time of day.

I became a little depressed because of this. I was doing everything right. I kept hearing women say over and over again how they want a nice guy and this and that. And I believed every word of it.

Then I decided that enough was enough, and that I needed to change something about myself. Then some guy who was very popular with women thought that I was a decent guy to hang with so he decided that I should hang out with him more often and he gave me some pointers on how to be more successful with women and how to have more of them in your life. The most important thing he told me was not to be nice with women you're trying to sleep with.

The success didn't happen overnight, but it happened nonetheless. Now, I'm no longer depressed from acting all nice with women only to see them bypass me for men who I thought would treat them like crap. Now, I'm the wanted. In my social circle of friends, I'm among one of those guys who's the hot topic of discussion. When I was a nice guy, I was left out.

Women don't want nice guys until their late-20s/early-30s. That's after they had the wildest, most slutty sex with all the hot guys in town, with all the a**holes and pricks. They want the nice guy until their looks start to fade. They want the nice guys when they start to have crow's feet or when they start to have that turkey neck. They want them when they can no longer attract the hot guys who never amounted to anything. Now that their looks are on the decline, when they approach 100,000 miles on the odometer from having all the wild and fun sex with anybody and everybody, THEN (and only then) would they want to settle down with someone who looks like a Bob Saget, or a Hank Steinbrenner, or a Brian Cashman, or anyone who looks non-threatening.

The bad boys were the ones who took these women out for the joyrides, ride them over a few speed bumps, and have these women do any nasty sex act that can be found on the international menu. They go out and party across these college campuses and across America at other people's expense.

Women want guys who they can't have. Nice guys don't fall into that category. Nice guys are the ones who answers a woman's phone call on half a ring on a Friday or Saturday night. They are the ones you seek out when you need answers for the next calculus exam. And after he bends himself backwards and trying to help you ace that test, you leave the library and go to Mr. BadAss's apartment and suck his dick six ways to Sunday. I know this because I'm not that guy who has women licking and sucking whatever it is I want licked and sucked after they go shopping with these nice guys and gossip about girls like Anne Hathaway and ... Kristen Bell. And the nice guy is back to SquareOne, wondering why girls don't see them for who they really are?

Women want nice guys? At least not in the beginning. They want the nice guys when their value in the market drops. That's where the nice guy comes in (the same guy who you ignored for all those years in elementary school, middle school, high school, college, and for the few years thereafter) and you start to think that these guys are pretty good catches because he seems like a stable, sane person unlike the other guys who really got your panties all wet and guy who you would do anything for, guys who gave you the best 48 hours of your life. Now is when you start licking your chops and realize that even though the sex won't be that great, at least they'll be good providers.

-- Women want guys who are ... disrespectful.
-- Speaking of disrespectful, they want guys like 50 Cent and Eminem.
-- They want guys like Randy Orton, Clay Matthews, Tom Brady, Brett Farve, CM Punk, John Mayer, LeBron James, Aaron Francisco, Brian Wilson and the likes.

-- They want men who don't toe the line of society.
-- Men with criminal records.
-- Guys with the hot cars.
-- They want men who can attract other women.
-- They want guys who don't give a f*ck about not giving a f*ck.
-- They want guys who can get physical.

If the guy they're hot for forgets their birthdays, not compliments her for how great she looks, or gives backhanded compliments instead, makes her cry, makes her angry, guys who they complain to their girlfriends about, THOSE are the one more likely to have sex with her.

I've seen this time and time and time and time and time again. I was one of those nice guys who cared, the nice guy who spoke to women when they needed help with anything. I was the guy who women could ... relate to. When I made myself available to them, they shunned me and other guys who were like that. I lost to those guys who were the psychopaths of the world.

They want guys who can make their lives more dramatic because women love drama. It gives them something to spin their minds at 1,000 mph about. If you think reality TV is addicting, wait until they actually live a life like that.

They want guys who will not take their boring crap and just sit their and listen to them talk about who knows what. He's not listening to her. And women like men who ignore them, too.

They will have all this crazy, hectic, slutty-filled fun until they retire and settle down for someone who's ... sensitive, a guy who remembers her birthday, a guy who's ... caring, a guy who leaves little post-its on your door that read, "Just wanted to brighten your day!" with his little goofy laugh that follows. Only then would they want a guy who's ... a good listener, a guy who ... saved his money, a guy who's ... reliable, a guy who ... doesn't like conflict. Only then would they want a guy who doesn't drink anything stronger than an Arnold Palmer. A guy who ... they can control.

If these guys are such good guys and nice guys, then why didn't they get with them much earlier? If women TRULY wanted gentlemen, then the world will be FULL of them.

I'm not talking about ALL women. I'm talking about enough women to count with one hand ... and with a calculator on the other.

this guy's keepin' it real.

best post I've read in a long time; & the primary reason I tune out women that think they want the proverbial "nice guy".

January 10, 2011

I'd like to split off to the nice guy discussion a little (since the jerks can all go f themselves ). Where, ladies, do you draw the line between "nice" and "wussy?" From my experience as a nice guy, the opportunity to be sweet and kind far outweighs the opportunity to be funny and confident at the beginning stages of dating (unless that just has been my bad luck). We can't exactly let our full personality out, mainly our humor, when trying to court a woman. Even if she finds certain things funny, you have to hold back a little to avoid being too comfortable. There's no reason to hold back being kind and chivalrous. So when you scale the two, it may appear the guy is being wussy because he's trying to be kind. While it might not be going out of the way for the guy, it may appear that way to women. Are women normally understanding of this (as they should be)?

January 10, 2011

-- Women want guys who are ... disrespectful.
-- Speaking of disrespectful, they want guys like 50 Cent and Eminem.
-- They want guys like Randy Orton, Clay Matthews, Tom Brady, Brett Farve, CM Punk, John Mayer, LeBron James, Aaron Francisco, Brian Wilson and the likes.

Disrespectful? Yea, mature women totally get off on guys who talk down to others.

.....And did you seriously two WWE wrestlers as examples of what women want?

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