I think women are unaware of Mens plight when it comes to prostitutes

[zengirl]

I was a dancer for a while and while I did not go the prostitution route I knew plenty of women that did, nice women, women raising families, well dressed, well spoken, smart women. They drew in probably 200+ K a year and worked 3 or so days a week, had time to run school functions with their kids, take care of their homes and had normal likes other than the hours they worked a week. So you're right, there are plenty of women that do well for themselves in this arena.

 

But there are far, far more exploited women on the streets, on drugs, with pimps living this life. I agree that prostitution should be legalized and even regulated to test for STDs regularly as well as use of certain drugs with increased levels of risk for infections. I think it would weed out a lot of the male (pimp) exploitation that goes into prostitution now, but we would still see plenty of underage girls being exploited on our streets.

 

Oh, yes, that's what I mean. Legalization would be better all around and protect the industry and drag it up from the gutter, so to speak. The exploitation is just awful. Legalizing it wouldn't be the end-all-be-all, but it'd help.

[sally4sara]

Well 1 in 4 women have std's so dont have sex at all if you want no chance of an std

 

Well this one from the 3 with out group isn't going to risk it by being with a guy who screws sex workers. You asked why women don't think highly of men who go to sex workers - here is your answer.

 

They don't want to become an std statistic.

[Mad Max]

Well this one from the 3 with out group isn't going to risk it by being with a guy who screws sex workers. You asked why women don't think highly of men who go to sex workers - here is your answer.

 

They don't want to become an std statistic.

 

 

It would be no different if a guy slept with 100 women.

[sally4sara]

It would be no different if a guy slept with 100 women.

 

True and false. He could sleep with 100 low number women and not have an std and yeah, depending on the sexual activity of those 100 women, he might have an std.

But sleeping with 100 sex workers? It would be nigh a miracle that he didn't have an std.

 

Sleeping with a sex worker is a higher risk than sleeping with a non sex worker -duh.

[musemaj11]

Well why the hell did I go dutch when single? I'm in the US and prostitution is illegal.

 

PS, calling it Holland pisses them off.

Then its your fault for taking silver when u can take gold. Lol

 

I kid, I kid. I admire ur integrity sally, but american women like u r the exception, not the rule.

[Sanman]

True and false. He could sleep with 100 low number women and not have an std and yeah, depending on the sexual activity of those 100 women, he might have an std.

But sleeping with 100 sex workers? It would be nigh a miracle that he didn't have an std.

 

Sleeping with a sex worker is a higher risk than sleeping with a non sex worker -duh.

 

 

That depends on what act is being performed. Vaginal intercourse with 100 women is still more likely to get you and STD than 100 handjobs from a sex worker.

[tinktronik]

That depends on what act is being performed. Vaginal intercourse with 100 women is still more likely to get you and STD than 100 handjobs from a sex worker.

 

Hahaha.... That made me laugh.It was like a Confucius says quote.

[Feelin Frisky]

In as much as I said I would never avail myself to a prostitute, I do see some room for services that could be handled above board with legal and cultural approval.

 

The mind is the organ of sex. And the mind is not served by mechanical execution of fellatio for instance by a hooker who has a different agenda and may hate or resentment toward the client she masks. If we determine that the mind IS the primary organ, there can be ways to comfort the mind and the body through a new kind of professionalism which separates familiar favors for pay from functions of health.

 

I could see a female assistant dressed in hospital garb and a mask covering her face giving "embrace therapy"--say, mounting a guy's back and scrunching her weight on his upper back to make him feel squeezed in ways that wouldn't happen else wise in reasonable time. There could be a screen above with some porn on it so you could roll over and get hot. You could even talk to your assistant and tell her how to touch and where. She could be a dog under that mask and you wouldn't know it. She's just squeezing the body in way that resets nerves over and above what happens in a traditional massage and she assists the client as he breaks off a jizz attack. She's protected. Her identity is protected. You don't get all attached to her because she's obscured. No intercourse takes place to transmit diseases, no more hands touch the body than what happens on a routine hair cut. It's clean and therapeutic. Why not? Would the wife really object if this were routine and culturized? Guy: Honey, I'm going to the mall for a reset. Wife: OK, dear, you do that.

[sally4sara]

That depends on what act is being performed. Vaginal intercourse with 100 women is still more likely to get you and STD than 100 handjobs from a sex worker.

 

Yeah right. If a hand would do, they got two already.

 

Two hands for free is worth more than one in the wallet.

[Untouchable_Fire]

The sentence "a large number of..." clearly implies there is also another subset under different circumstances. Acknowledgment already there.

And I'm not at all scared by questioning whether marriage and prostitution are the same, because yes, it is a silly question. Sad for you if you need to ask it, though.

 

I was full aware you were only talking about a small small % of prostitutes.

 

Prostitution is an illegal business arrangement where one person provides financial benefit to another in exchange for sexual gratification. Failure to perform services negate the arrangement.

 

Marriage is a legal institution in which one person provides financial benefit with the expectation of sexual gratification and affection. Refusal to honor said agreement has no bearing on financial obligation. A person is required to provide benefit regardless of whether expectations are met... and even after the arrangement is dissolved.

 

--- Maybe people should avoid using both prostitution and marriage ---

[Sanman]

Yeah right. If a hand would do, they got two already.

 

Two hands for free is worth more than one in the wallet.

 

Alright that was a god one . However, all the Asian massage parlors I see around NYC may suggest something different. Is a hand in the wallet what they mean when they offer a "happy ending" to you?

[Untouchable_Fire]

I kid, I kid. I admire ur integrity sally, but american women like u r the exception, not the rule.

 

That is completely true!

[irc333]

Not necessarily, there are some women that WILLINGLY do this kind of work as a "side job" seasonally.

 

I was watching a documentary on MSNBC about women who are prostitutes.

 

This one was a professiona hot looking accountant...was a single mom, that would fly to Vegas for a season, and of course partake in legal prostitution.

 

She wanted to do it to simply live a comfortable/nice life with some extra cashflow and that's it, and didn't think twice about it.

 

Her attitude was cavelier, treating it like your typical 2nd job, but of course, paid more money.

 

 

 

My biggest problem with prostitution is that a large number of the women have been sex-trafficked or coerced and didn't go into sex work willingly. If there's some way for the man to know for sure that the prostitute isn't a victim and he's not paying to rape her...then I'm not up in arms about it. I know it can be hard for men to find uncomplicated sex and everybody wants that sometimes.

 

I also agree with Sally, however, that plenty of average-to-unattractive guys still get regular action, they pull with their charisma, personalities, savoir faire, whatever else they do have going for them. It's the awkward guys with low social and emotional intelligence who can never get any women, at all...and women with those social and emotional awkwardnesses/problems are really no better off, they're home alone too and desperate for boyfriends and love. It's not at all easy either way.

[sally4sara]

Then its your fault for taking silver when u can take gold. Lol

 

I kid, I kid. I admire ur integrity sally, but american women like u r the exception, not the rule.

 

Thank you for the compliment.

However I think there is something sad behind why I might be somewhat rare on this subject altho I doubt I'm as rare as you'd guess.

 

I came to my conclusion about going dutch by watching why men seek to pay for women and get upset over a male friend trying to pick up the tab for them. Truly gregarious people are lovely, but they are what is really rare - not a woman in the US going dutch.

Unless a woman really believes herself to be equal she isn't as likely to believe she can learn something from a man she can adopt into her own conduct. Men fall sway to the same misconception it just plays out differently. Which is what I think is sad. A good quality is a good quality and can be adopted by both genders to a successful result.

[jenifer1972]

If the prostitute is not a coerced sex slave, I don't see much of a difference between that and a ONS. It's both intimacy without meaning, using someone else's body instead of your hand. I would find it empty and depressing, but to each his own.

[Smoky Day]

I was full aware you were only talking about a small small % of prostitutes.

 

Prostitution is an illegal business arrangement where one person provides financial benefit to another in exchange for sexual gratification. Failure to perform services negate the arrangement.

 

Marriage is a legal institution in which one person provides financial benefit with the expectation of sexual gratification and affection. Refusal to honor said agreement has no bearing on financial obligation. A person is required to provide benefit regardless of whether expectations are met... and even after the arrangement is dissolved.

 

--- Maybe people should avoid using both prostitution and marriage ---

 

Some people choose to provide for their marriage partner financially, it's not implicit in the legal institution itself, not these days. I am married, my husband and I both pay bills and both pay the mortgage, and - importantly - we have sex because we both want to, not because one of us feels obligated or needs the money . That's the way most of the marriages I am surrounded by work, which is why I think it's sad you obviously have different examples/experiences.

 

I don't know any couples who live out the BS "Real Housewives of Wherever" dynamic in real life. I know some very wealthy people, they're all single or else married to other hard-working successful people. Of the couples I know where one partner doesn't have an outside job and is being "provided for", the one at home was working hard taking care of children and the house and the couple's other business. They're partners creating a family and working together at conquering life, anyone who reduces that to the dynamic of prostitute and john is really missing the point. Sure there are trashy people out there who take advantage of other people and have some messed-up marriages, that doesn't mean every marriage is messed up or that marriage is the same as prostitution.

 

My brother is a househusband, by the way. He's really fantastic with his daughters, they're a really cute family. I just never think "jeez, what a hooker" when I watch him changing his little one's diaper, or rushing off to drop the older girl off at music lessons before he picks his wife up from work while dinner cooks in the dutch oven.

[sally4sara]

Not necessarily, there are some women that WILLINGLY do this kind of work as a "side job" seasonally.

 

I was watching a documentary on MSNBC about women who are prostitutes.

 

This one was a professiona hot looking accountant...was a single mom, that would fly to Vegas for a season, and of course partake in legal prostitution.

 

She wanted to do it to simply live a comfortable/nice life with some extra cashflow and that's it, and didn't think twice about it.

 

Her attitude was cavelier, treating it like your typical 2nd job, but of course, paid more money.

 

Hey, I support anyone choosing to do something they are interested in doing to earn a living. If anyone really was all about being a sex worker so much so that they practiced the highest level of responsibility in preserving their health to ensure a long career and paid taxes on their earning - good on them.

But how many of their clients are going to take the time to find out this is the case?

 

And here is a really scary story. A female friend of mine went to an all day pool party at her sister's house. Her husband was suppose to meet her there after work but ended up having to stay much later than expected. It being a family member's house, she felt comfortable falling asleep in her bathing suit in one of the lounge chairs. She woke up to some guy grinding his penis on her thigh while attempting to undo her top. I got there late but everyone was all a chatter about it.

A few months later she noticed a small scaly patch on her outer thigh about 8 inches from her knee. She thought maybe she accidentally hurt herself and it was just a scab but did mention it to her doctor when it didn't didn't act like a normal scab. It was tested and discovered to be herpes. If she'd caught it from her husband cheating it wouldn't have been only on her lower outer thigh near her knee. I take this to mean you can catch herpes anywhere on your body that comes into contact with a sore.

 

So go ahead and feel safe getting those handjobs fellas.

[irc333]

On the outer thigh? One in a million that would actually happen. Hm, never heard of that.

 

Well, if you can get herpes that way, then what's the point in having safe sex?

 

I was taught that "mutual masterbation" was a better alternative to sex...well, at least read it on a bulletin board at college.

 

So "skin to skin" is still not safe sex....interesting. lol

 

 

 

 

Hey, I support anyone choosing to do something they are interested in doing to earn a living. If anyone really was all about being a sex worker so much so that they practiced the highest level of responsibility in preserving their health to ensure a long career and paid taxes on their earning - good on them.

But how many of their clients are going to take the time to find out this is the case?

 

And here is a really scary story. A female friend of mine went to an all day pool party at her sister's house. Her husband was suppose to meet her there after work but ended up having to stay much later than expected. It being a family member's house, she felt comfortable falling asleep in her bathing suit in one of the lounge chairs. She woke up to some guy grinding his penis on her thigh while attempting to undo her top. I got there late but everyone was all a chatter about it.

A few months later she noticed a small scaly patch on her outer thigh about 8 inches from her knee. She thought maybe she accidentally hurt herself and it was just a scab but did mention it to her doctor when it didn't didn't act like a normal scab. It was tested and discovered to be herpes. If she'd caught it from her husband cheating it wouldn't have been only on her lower outer thigh near her knee. I take this to mean you can catch herpes anywhere on your body that comes into contact with a sore.

 

So go ahead and feel safe getting those handjobs fellas.

[sally4sara]

On the outer thigh? One in a million that would actually happen. Hm, never heard of that.

 

Well, if you can get herpes that way, then what's the point in having safe sex?

 

I was taught that "mutual masterbation" was a better alternative to sex...well, at least read it on a bulletin board at college.

 

So "skin to skin" is still not safe sex....interesting. lol

 

It IS rare. But when you think of how many people's sexual history is in the mix with a sex worker, what is rare becomes less rare.

You have to keep in mind that herpes is a family of viruses that include oral, genital, chicken pox and shingles. Its super user friendly. So many variations going on. Oral can be transmitted to genitals via BJs. Genital can be transmitted to oral via the same. So you can have either in either spot. When you recognize this, someone presenting with a lesion on their leg isn't so unlikely. I've even read about it presenting on other areas because I too suspected her husband was cheating on her when she told me it came back as herpes that I looked into it. When she has a break out, she keeps it covered with a large bandage and wears latex gloves when changing it. Her husband has never presented with symptoms.

[somedude81]

Because it speaks of a willingness to purchase people.

 

And I'm not buying it that its so hard for men to find sex unless they are very attractive. I've got many male friends and even the jobless chubby one meets with success frequently. The average looking can pull when they put in the effort and the good looking are swimming in options. The only one who struggles has a good job, isn't deformed, but has some social disorder that has him constantly tripping himself up.

 

Just like it is for women.

Have you even been reading these forums?!!

There are about five or more regular posters who are near or above 30, who have absolutely zero success when it comes to women. I am one of them.

 

I'm an average looking dude, I make sure I'm always groomed and smell nice. I think I dress casually but stylish. I'm not fat at all. The only negative I can think of, that affects my ability to get women/sex is that I'm only 5'6.

 

As far as I know, I don't have any social or personality disorders, and I have no problem making female friends. For for only god knows why, I can't make a girl like me enough to let me kiss her.

 

So I'm 29 years old, and the every single time I've had sex I've had to pay for it; either a membership fee, door fee or a 'donation' to the woman herself.

 

As an average woman, you have no idea what anguish, unsuccessful men deal with on a daily basis. How it destroys our self-esteem and eats at our confidence. Men have killed people, gone on rampages because they were unable to get women.

 

Personally, prostitution has it's place but it's only really a band-aid. There is no intimacy or companionship and it's ultimately fulfilling. The last time I had sex, cost me $50 (swinger party) and it was August 2009. Time before that was an escort in 2006.

 

Of course I will never tell anybody in person about my experiences, they will simply judge me harshly without trying to understand, or they may simply be incapable of understanding.

I am a man... I don't want to have sex with a prostitute. If I haven't had sex in 5 or 10 years I still wouldn't want to have sex with a prostitute.

 

If you think men are just going to up and die if they do not have sex for a period of time... you are misinformed.

What is the longest you've gone without sex? Meaning time spent between two sexual encounters.

 

 

My biggest problem with prostitution is that a large number of the women have been sex-trafficked or coerced and didn't go into sex work willingly. If there's some way for the man to know for sure that the prostitute isn't a victim and he's not paying to rape her...then I'm not up in arms about it. I know it can be hard for men to find uncomplicated sex and everybody wants that sometimes.

I don't believe any escort I've seen has been sex-trafficked or coerced. They all spoke English, placed their ads online, and seemed to be fully in control.

 

I also agree with Sally, however, that plenty of average-to-unattractive guys still get regular action, they pull with their charisma, personalities, savoir faire, whatever else they do have going for them. It's the awkward guys with low social and emotional intelligence who can never get any women, at all...and women with those social and emotional awkwardnesses/problems are really no better off, they're home alone too and desperate for boyfriends and love. It's not at all easy either way.

And that's the answer.

 

I don't think I'm that awkward, but I may have low social and emotional intelligence. I have no problem making acquaintances, but I have great trouble in making any real friends. The only "friends" I've made in the past five years, were girls that I really wanted to date but got stuck in the friendzone or placed myself into, because I didn't know how to start dating them.

 

I wasted the past four months chasing around a girl that I was completely infatuated with and she wanted nothing more from me than to be my friend. That crap happens over and over.

 

For once in my life I want a girl to actually like me as more than a friend.

[musemaj11]

Speaking about herpes, dont most people have herpes? Thats what I heard.

 

I mean I have had oral herpes since I was 10 years old. It appears during cold weather or when I eat too oily food.

 

Not all herpes are sex-related.

[Mad Max]

Speaking about herpes, dont most people have herpes? Thats what I heard.

 

I mean I have had oral herpes since I was 10 years old. It appears during cold weather or when I eat too oily food.

 

Not all herpes are sex-related.

 

 

Cold sores, yes. I think the number is 80-90% depending on who you ask. If you get oral from someone, the odds of you getting it is slim if the person isn't having an outbreak. Naturally, it increases if the person does have a cold sore.