Untouchable_Fire Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/04/new.york.favre.lawsuit/index.html I read the story and the alleged "harassment" and it just seems like he was hitting on them. He doesn't do the hiring or firing... Does this actually qualify as harassment?
SmileFace Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Why are the Jets getting sued? Did he text from a company phone? Anyway, I don't see this as sexual harassment but I think he failed to realize when in such a high position - certain things are just not allowed.
ShatteredReality Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 The texts they quoted didn't exactly seem like harassment....maybe there is more to the story? Mostly it sounds like there is some gold digging happening...
sweet sugar Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Oh my gosh, how can you defend this guy? He is such a d**che! He signed a contract which states he has to uphold a high standard of personal conduct. The massage therapists lost their jobs over the texts Favre sent. Did you read the article?
Star Gazer Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Sending multiple unsolicited pictures of your penis to a female colleague is most definitely harassing. Whether it rises to the level necessary to survive all the way to a jury is another story.
donnamaybe Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 I just heard on the news this a.m. that he was hitting HARD on two massage therapists who worked for the team. He wouldn't let up, and one of them showed her husband the texts. He called Favre and asked him to leave his wife alone, and he got verbally abusive, using profanity, and was also reportedly quite arrogant. The girls were then no longer hired by the team. If THAT isn't textbook harassment, I don't know what is. Yup. The guy is an arrogant douchebag.
EasyHeart Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Well, I suppose if you get to make up facts, pretty much anything can be "harassing". But according to that story,"the two women say Favre sent messages that read: "Brett here you and crissy want to get together I'm all alone" and "Kinda lonely tonight I guess I have bad intentions." I didn't see anything about pictures of his penis or that he wouldn't let up. And according to the Jets, the women never complained to anyone. This sounds more like a shakedown than anything else.
donnamaybe Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 ...and the "good old boys club" goes into full swing.
EasyHeart Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Meh. I'm a Vikings fan; I have no love for Brett Favre after this season.
sweet sugar Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Those texts certainly leave no question what he wanted from the women - a massage, perhaps, but definitely more than that.
Star Gazer Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I didn't see anything about pictures of his penis... He sent unsolicited pictures of his c*ck to Jenn Sterger, who worked for the same organization as Favre at the time. That evidence will be used in these other lawsuits to show how "severe and pervasive" his conduct was, and will be used in Sterger's case as well if she pursues it.
Author Untouchable_Fire Posted January 6, 2011 Author Posted January 6, 2011 I just heard on the news this a.m. that he was hitting HARD on two massage therapists who worked for the team. He wouldn't let up, and one of them showed her husband the texts. He called Favre and asked him to leave his wife alone, and he got verbally abusive, using profanity, and was also reportedly quite arrogant. The girls were then no longer hired by the team. If THAT isn't textbook harassment, I don't know what is. Yup. The guy is an arrogant douchebag. Serious? How in the crap did he get away with that for 20 years in Green Bay? Are women in Wisconsin just so hard up for a celebrity that they go for guys like that? Why did he all of a sudden start doing this crap in Jersey? Guys rarely just start doing this type of stuff...
donnamaybe Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Serious? How in the crap did he get away with that for 20 years in Green Bay? Are women in Wisconsin just so hard up for a celebrity that they go for guys like that? Why did he all of a sudden start doing this crap in Jersey? Guys rarely just start doing this type of stuff...Arrogance can grow over time and make a guy feel untouchable. Maybe in his earlier years he wasn't such a jerk? Maybe, in his declining years, he's feeling a sense of desperation and is going through a sort of midlife crisis and is abusing his status to try to satiate it. Who knows?
EasyHeart Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Arrogance can grow over time and make a guy feel untouchable. Maybe in his earlier years he wasn't such a jerk? Maybe, in his declining years, he's feeling a sense of desperation and is going through a sort of midlife crisis and is abusing his status to try to satiate it. Who knows?In his earlier years, Favre was a drunk and a drug addict, but there was never any allegations of sexual harassment or any other inappropriate behavior of this nature even though he was well-known for his carousing. And maybe it's just a coincidence that this information was suddenly leaked to the media by the new Jets coach (who is a well-known ass) the week before the Jets played against Favre and three years after the incidents supposedly happened? Hmmm?
EasyHeart Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 He sent unsolicited pictures of his c*ck to Jenn Sterger, who worked for the same organization as Favre at the time. That evidence will be used in these other lawsuits to show how "severe and pervasive" his conduct was, and will be used in Sterger's case as well if she pursues it.He is alleged to have done that by a website. And Sterger let the statute of limitations pass without filing suit, which speaks volumes about these allegations.
donnamaybe Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 In his earlier years, Favre was a drunk and a drug addict, but there was never any allegations of sexual harassment or any other inappropriate behavior of this nature even though he was well-known for his carousing. Yeah, they often sweep that kind of stuff under the rug - you know, the "good old boys club." And maybe it's just a coincidence that this information was suddenly leaked to the media by the new Jets coach (who is a well-known ass) the week before the Jets played against Favre and three years after the incidents supposedly happened? Hmmm?And even if it WAS orchestrated by the Jets' staff, so what? Doesn't make it okay.
flying Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) He is alleged to have done that by a website. And Sterger let the statute of limitations pass without filing suit, which speaks volumes about these allegations. The NFL actually asked Favre to cooperate in an investigation of Sterger's allegations, but he refused. Which is why they fined him a whopping $50,000. However, Favre did admit sending a series of voicemail messages to Sterger asking for sex. He just refused to confirm or deny that he sent the penis pics too. Serious? How in the crap did he get away with that for 20 years in Green Bay? Are women in Wisconsin just so hard up for a celebrity that they go for guys like that? Why did he all of a sudden start doing this crap in Jersey? Guys rarely just start doing this type of stuff... I totally agree that guys rarely just start doing this stuff. But I think it would be naive to assume that people in Green Bay would have been willing to take on Saint Brett Favre, the Regular Joe, the Iron Man of football. The guy was a local hero. He was also, in addition to being a drunk and a drug addict, as EasyHeart noted, a complete and well-known horndog who cheated on his wife all the time, as she herself wrote in her autobiography. Most of the time, I'm guessing, this kind of thing worked for Brett; when it didn't, who's going to feel like they can accuse a guy like that, who was in Green Bay at the top of his game and had the full protection of the NFL behind him?? I think it's worth noting that he lost his sainthood status round about the time he left for the Jets, and then cemented that loss by (gasp) going to the Vikings - which DEFINITELY makes him a less formidable person to take on. Even so, the massage therapists tried behind the scenes to get their jobs back to no avail before being willing to publicly accuse him, because they knew it wasn't going to be easy. And Jenn Sterger didn't want to accuse him at all, because she wanted to keep her job and remain on good terms with the NFL. That's what makes this so disturbing. Edited January 6, 2011 by flying
O'Malley Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Most of the time, I'm guessing, this kind of thing worked for Brett; when it didn't, who's going to feel like they can accuse a guy like that, who was in Green Bay at the top of his game and had the full protection of the NFL behind him?? Agreed. The gold digging theories are tired and pathetic. If these lawsuits are so overwhelmingly successful, where are all the women suing Tiger Woods for sexual harassment? How about other well off athletes who happen to be promiscuous, who aren't being sued? Maybe it's the fact that those individuals don't sexually harass colleagues and send unsolicited photos of their shortcomings.
donnamaybe Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 photos of their shortcomings.Now THAT's even MORE funny!
EasyHeart Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Agreed. The gold digging theories are tired and pathetic. If these lawsuits are so overwhelmingly successful, where are all the women suing Tiger Woods for sexual harassment? How about other well off athletes who happen to be promiscuous, who aren't being sued? Maybe it's the fact that those individuals don't sexually harass colleagues and send unsolicited photos of their shortcomings.Under what conceivable theory could Tiger Woods' mistresses sue him? In the Favre case, these women never said a peep for YEARS until the media started giving them free publicity. Now they suddenly feel harassed? Please. No rational person could be stupid enough to believe them.
donnamaybe Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) No rational person could be stupid enough to believe them.And the insults begin. Personally, I think anyone who is so ignorant as to believe it's impossible has been living under a rock. Edited January 6, 2011 by donnamaybe
ShatteredReality Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 It does seem a little suspicious that these girls waited to long to come forward. I am not saying the guy isn't/wasn't a total jerk. I don't follow sports and hold no loyalties to any team or player - I think most of the bad things these guys do get swept under the rug. Stuff like this, though, seems like it might have more to it than some "hurt feelings" on the part of the girls...maybe they weren't hired again because they sucked at giving massages? They were reported to have cared for other team members as well...the report doesn't say that they were fired because of their texts or the phone call the husband made - or if it does I missed that part. All I saw was that it said they weren't hired again after that. His text messages didn't seem appropriate, but if those are the only two texts (which those girls conveniently kept for two years? I take it they didn't change phones in that time or anything) they don't sound that bad...his sending photos of himself...that's harrassment, but he didn't do that to these two girls.
O'Malley Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Under what conceivable theory could Tiger Woods' mistresses sue him? In the Favre case, these women never said a peep for YEARS until the media started giving them free publicity. Now they suddenly feel harassed? Please. No rational person could be stupid enough to believe them. I wasn't referring to mistresses at all -- what's being discussed is colleagues being harassed. Or, from the opposing viewpoint, disgruntled employees framing someone for harassment in order to profit. I have yet to see any credible evidence that this is a 'gold digging' conspiracy that these employees planned in advance, or revenge for not being satisfied with the Jets organization. What is true is that Favre confessed to sending inappropriate voice mails to another employee and also refused to assist the investigation into that matter further -- something that a rational victim of a 'gold digging' conspiracy would be unlikely to do. As Flying noted, the fact that these two employees took other avenues -- having one of their spouses ask Favre to stop the comments, suggests they were more concerned with keeping their jobs and having the organization deal with the behavior than profiting from some athlete on a career downslide. They didn't suddenly feel harassed in the past few months, they wanted to stop his harassing contacts to them from the start and not have it impact their jobs (which it did). If anything, I think they were fearful of the publicity they would get from shining a spotlight on Favre's unprofessional behavior, because in all likelihood they won't get the same opportunities in that field again. And the insults begin. That's how it goes....when there doesn't appear to be much of a credible defense, the mudslinging starts.
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