elaina Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Abusive:rolleyes: Do you know how much i took before i snapped? Another Man would have stomped her out months before If anyhting i took it easy on her compared to what she desrved She physically abused you. You physically abused her. Yep abusive. I volunteer in women's shelters, and yeah what she did and what you did is defined by the government as abusive, whether you roll your eyes or not lol. Was there verbal abuse as well? (on both sides?)
sally4sara Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 So youre saying only people the same exact height and weight are ever allowed to fight? She pushed my buttons and put me in harms way and she got dealt with end of story Id do it 100x's over i dont regret my decision And a lack in reading comprehension as well; I'm not surprised. Two people of equal size and strength getting in a fight will result in both landing in the clink. If at some point in the fight, one of them used trained fighting techniques and caused medical damage to the other - yes that better fighter will face harsher consequences in the legal arena. A Fedor sized guy meets up with a Stallone sized guy trying to be a dick and goading him to fight, the Fedor sized guy will face the same if he doesn't seek to remove himself before he reaches his limit on patience.
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 She physically abused you. You physically abused her. Yep abusive. I volunteer in women's shelters, and yeah what she did and what you did is defined by the government as abusive, whether you roll your eyes or not lol. Was there verbal abuse as well? (on both sides?) She abused me i was the victim that eventually fought back
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 And a lack in reading comprehension as well; I'm not surprised. Two people of equal size and strength getting in a fight will result in both landing in the clink. If at some point in the fight, one of them used trained fighting techniques and caused medical damage to the other - yes that better fighter will face harsher consequences in the legal arena. A Fedor sized guy meets up with a Stallone sized guy trying to be a dick and goading him to fight, the Fedor sized guy will face the same if he doesn't seek to remove himself before he reaches his limit on patience. Weird example considering how Fedor is only about 2 inches and 15 pounds bigger then Stallone hardly some huge male female mismatch Bottom line is i was abused and threatened and fought back i was never abusive in the relationship,i simply fought back and defended myself one day
elaina Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) She abused me i was the victim that eventually fought back Victims are supposed to call the police... that's what police are for... to administer justice on behalf of the victims to the people who break the law. Victims are not technically supposed to break the law and administer justice themselves. They are supposed to go to the authorities whose job it is to administer justice and protect the people. If calling the authorities does not protect you/administer justice on your behalf, then you have more of a "right" to fight back, but just like in schools, there really should be no bullying in schools. Teachers and school staff should make sure that bullying is punished appropriately and should protect the students from bullies. If that fails however, than yes, it is good for students to learn how to fight the bullies back, but the best and first course should always be to contact the authorities. Edited December 21, 2010 by elaina
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Victims are supposed to call the police... that's what police are for... to administer justice on behalf of the victims to the people who break the law. Victims are not technically supposed to break the law and administer justice themselves. They are supposed to go to the authorities whose job it is to administer justice and protect the people. Well im glad your mrs pollyana turn the other cheek call the cops no matter whats being done to you but life doesnt always work that way Soemtimes we have no choice but to stand up for ourselves
elaina Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Well im glad your mrs pollyana turn the other cheek call the cops no matter whats being done to you but life doesnt always work that way Soemtimes we have no choice but to stand up for ourselves If you wish to break the law, that is your business. However, do not be surprised if someday, your breaking the law will have a price.
carhill Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Yep, if your life is in danger, terminate the threat. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried out by six. Other than that, walk away.
zengirl Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 I'm still somewhat shocked when I meet women who are single and cannot cook. Like, how do you survive if you can't cook for yourself, on fast food? Don't you wonder that about the men too? Actually, there are a million prepared meal options today. I can and do cook -- and love to -- but sometimes, when I'm saving money for something or trying to lose a few, I eat mostly Healthy Choice frozen meals for a week instead. So youre saying only people the same exact height and weight are ever allowed to fight? She pushed my buttons and put me in harms way and she got dealt with end of story Id do it 100x's over i dont regret my decision The only time physical violence is okay is when you are in imminent danger. That's why size matters. If I scratch out a guy's eyes as he is actively trying to beat and rape me, I'm not going to feel bad. If I kick him in the head as he's already down and unconscious, I'd be just as wrong as he was. Once you have physical control of the situation -- i.e. you have the power to walk away or not and to control the situation without escalating it -- I believe anything further is abuse. That said, I don't go around hitting men or abusing them either. It's not about gender; it's about what's right. If a gal spits at you, that doesn't give you the right to knock her teeth out. That doesn't mean she should be slapping at you or spitting at you, but there's still an appropriate and inappropriate response. Rage is no excuse, regardless of gender. (And it's silly to think women don't feel rage, since someone mentioned we'll never understand a man's rage. Silly. I'm not sure if we feel it "as men do" -- I mean, I don't feel the sunshine on my face as a man does either, but I'm thinking it's still warm -- but women feel anger and rage, too.)
sweetjasmine Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Yep, if your life is in danger, terminate the threat. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried out by six. Other than that, walk away. I agree. And self-defense is one thing, but if someone who's unarmed and weaker than you slaps you, and you respond by beating them to a bloody pulp, your overreaction warrants a criminal charge, IMO.
elaina Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Well im glad your mrs pollyana turn the other cheek call the cops no matter whats being done to you but life doesnt always work that way Soemtimes we have no choice but to stand up for ourselves Lol as far as i know, calling the cops is not anything "Pollyana" did/would do. Calling the cops is not a kindness. It's how our legal system works, and our legal system is supposed to protect people and administer justice. The wild West idea is every man for himself, the Pollyana idea is to be kind to those who are mean to you. Calling the cops is not the Wild West, nor Pollyana... it's just how a part of how our legal system operates nowadays.
elaina Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 I agree. And self-defense is one thing, but if someone who's unarmed and weaker than you slaps you, and you respond by beating them to a bloody pulp, your overreaction warrants a criminal charge, IMO. Yep, it is a criminal charge. Steve is lucky she didn't press charges. The only time extreme measures for the victim to take justice into his/her own hands is if the legal system fails to protect him/her. (Like in the movie Enough, with Jennifer Lopez... awesome movie!) Even then though, some people would argue that she went too far...?
sally4sara Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Weird example considering how Fedor is only about 2 inches and 15 pounds bigger then Stallone hardly some huge male female mismatch Bottom line is i was abused and threatened and fought back i was never abusive in the relationship,i simply fought back and defended myself one day Fedor is a 6' tall heavy weight class guy. Stallone Stallone is tiny by comparison; I know because I saw him in an airport about a year ago. He is smaller than my mother and not in Rocky shape anymore.
carhill Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) And self-defense is one thing, but if someone who's unarmed and weaker than you slaps you, and you respond by beating them to a bloody pulp, your overreaction warrants a criminal charge, IMO.Yes, I believe LEO's call such methods 'reasonable force'; a force sufficient to neutralize the situation. In non-violent conflicts, that could be as simple as walking away. It can also work in physical conflicts where one doesn't believe their life is in danger. However, IMO, if one capitulates, walks away and gets attacked from behind, terminate if it is at all possible. Dead people tell no tales Considering the current tangent, I would opine that verbal and/or physical abuse is neither ladylike nor gentlemanly behavior and such dynamics should be discontinued as quickly and safely as possible. Edited December 21, 2010 by carhill is at
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Fedor is a 6' tall heavy weight class guy. Stallone Stallone is tiny by comparison; I know because I saw him in an airport about a year ago. He is smaller than my mother and not in Rocky shape anymore. Stallones 5'10 and i saw him chiseled only a few months back Hes not that small a guy
sally4sara Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Stallones 5'10 and i saw him chiseled only a few months back Hes not that small a guy This lady will believe her eyes over the wiki page and airbrushed photos. He is no taller than 5'8" and I'd be amazed if he weighed more than 180lb. Tell me how trapped were you by this lunatic? You mentioned putting up with her for months? That was within your control as well; you had other choices. I personally wouldn't put up with anything that taxed my self control so greatly for near so long.
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 This lady will believe her eyes over the wiki page and airbrushed photos. He is no taller than 5'8" and I'd be amazed if he weighed more than 180lb. Tell me how trapped were you by this lunatic? You mentioned putting up with her for months? That was within your control as well; you had other choices. I personally wouldn't put up with anything that taxed my self control so greatly for near so long. She berated me verbally for months and then spit in my face and slapped me thsi final time,i avoided it for awhile and we were broke up at the time she came over out of nowhere and went over the line for the last timw and i snapped from all the incidents that happened it came to a head Everyone has a boiling point and i reached mine
elaina Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 So youre saying only people the same exact height and weight are ever allowed to fight? She pushed my buttons and put me in harms way and she got dealt with end of story Id do it 100x's over i dont regret my decision One more thing Guess why in Kindergarten, the teachers don't encourage fights between the kids? What do teachers tell the kids to do if someone hits/kicks/bites/pinches/... them? To tell the teacher.Why? What do you think would happen if teachers said to do it back and do worse? What do you think parents would say if their kids are all beaten up? What would the parents do to the kids' parents? There's a reason why in a civilized society, revenge is not the all-in-all. There is a very good reason why victims are supposed to tell the authorities, and not just take revenge into their own hands.
carhill Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 One resource on Sly, whose portrayals of 'tough guys' were indicative of his acting ability. Certainly, it appeared, the ladies liked him. Another interesting quote is from famous screenwriter Goldman's book about lies stars tell. He says "I had a hot lead that Sly was 67 inches." going on to revealing his source was someone who was also that height and jogged with Sly one morning. He then describes how he went into a swimming pool that Sly was in...and about 10 minutes later, "He (sly) got out, grabbed a towel. I got out, grabbed a towel. He stood. I stood. Sixty-seven inches. Dripping wet.". Another quote comes from Supermodel Janice Dickenson's book 'Everything about me is fake' whom she recalls Sly tried picking her up (they were a couple for a while): "Who was this guy to go dissing me while he's standing there in his custom-made elevator shoes." and also remarked "I couldn't believe how short he was". Another actress, Melinda Dillon from F.I.S.T, commented in Chicago Tribune "I'm taller than Sly and that bothers him and we kid about it so I take off my shoes in some scenes. I can't slouch or I wouldnt be Anna. She's very upright."
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 One resource on Sly, whose portrayals of 'tough guys' were indicative of his acting ability. Certainly, it appeared, the ladies liked him. He was at a distance but looked near 5'10 If hes only 5'7 i lost allot of respect for him i didnt know he was a midget
carhill Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Oh, also, we can presume that someone like LS poster Wog's exW, who did a drive-by shooting at his home, was not doing her job as a lady and it's a great example of connecting the tangent. The danger is, with a sociopathic personality, a woman can function as a lady in one reality and be a completely different person in another. Often, people, meaning those not intimate with her, will never know. I've seen such examples many times in my life. If one sees signs of more intimate behaviors not matching up with superficial ones, relevant to how jobs are performed in a relationship, it's good information
sally4sara Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 She berated me verbally for months and then spit in my face and slapped me thsi final time,i avoided it for awhile and we were broke up at the time she came over out of nowhere and went over the line for the last timw and i snapped from all the incidents that happened it came to a head Everyone has a boiling point and i reached mine Kinda sounds like how I found my own instructor. He witnessed a larger fella spit on me at a pep rally for not responding favorably to his advances. He could tell by my reaction that I had been a long time abuse sufferer and would likely draw abusers like moths to a lamp. Impotent rage was the term he used to describe me and considering date rape was a common occurrence in my neighborhood, felt he could help out a 14 year old girl before she became a statistic. He was my best friend's older brother. I watched him get his buttons pushed by a person his own size and still seek to avoid the conflict. I watched him do the same when it was a few trying to push his buttons and still he sought to avoid that conflict till they forced his hands. Never once did he seek to teach the lesson you taught to to anyone smaller than himself who decided to be stupid. I admired him quite a bit.
zengirl Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 She berated me verbally for months and then spit in my face and slapped me thsi final time,i avoided it for awhile and we were broke up at the time she came over out of nowhere and went over the line for the last timw and i snapped from all the incidents that happened it came to a head Everyone has a boiling point and i reached mine A 'boiling point,' rage, pushed buttons. . . these are NEVER legitimate reasons for violence or conscious use of force. The only legitimate reason for a use of force is imminent danger. As another poster noted, this is something everyone should've learned in Kindergarten.
carhill Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 I recently repaired a door forcibly removed in such a physically violent dynamic between two young brothers and, IMO, part of the responsibility also lays at the feet of parents, to socialize their daughters and sons to become ladies and gentlemen. Both fathers and mothers can be positive role models, not only for the offspring of their gender but for the opposite as well. Great job for a lady.
Woggle Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 If somebody made me that angry I would just cut them out of my life for good. It doesn't mean you should beat them. I remember one time at a club there was a woman who was drunk out of her mind and thought I was somebody else so she comes up to me and starts spitting at me and hitting me and ended up getting banned for life because she had a history of this behavior. This shows that women don't always get away with this kind of thing.
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