sally4sara Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 You want a man who is a 'man'? Then ask yourself first how much of a 'woman' are you in the first place? Well I don't hit people with my shoes and I can throw pretty straight but the birth certificate clearly states I'm female. If a woman hits me, I will punch her back. Saying a man should not hit a woman because she is physically weaker is as stupid as saying that American soldiers should not hit Japanese soldiers during WWII because they were skinnier and shorter. I figure we're all the same size with an Enfield in our hands. Hell, I might even be bigger than you. The thing is Musemaji, I never bothered wondering about how much of a man any man is; he just is whether or not I think highly of him or low of him. If I thought low of him - he is still as much of a man as one I think highly of, I would just rather not bother with him. And even if 50 men all conferred and declared me not so womanly of a woman, I still am one and they are still 50 men I wouldn't have to pay any mind; I only want one anyway.
sweetjasmine Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 Instead of Gentleman vs Lady, this should be simply Man vs Woman. You go ahead and have fun with that versus thing. The rest of us are busy being partners instead of opponents.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 Would you hit a 10-year-old kid who hit you? Are you saying I shouldnt? If a ten year old is strong enough to actually hit me then sure as hell Im gonna make him taste his own medicine. Well I don't hit people with my shoes and I can throw pretty straight but the birth certificate clearly states I'm female. I figure we're all the same size with an Enfield in our hands. Hell, I might even be bigger than you. The thing is Musemaji, I never bothered wondering about how much of a man any man is; he just is whether or not I think highly of him or low of him. If I thought low of him - he is still as much of a man as one I think highly of, I would just rather not bother with him. And even if 50 men all conferred and declared me not so womanly of a woman, I still am one and they are still 50 men I wouldn't have to pay any mind; I only want one anyway. Sally, you are a feminist. This thread was not directed at women with egalitarian views like you.
Woggle Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 I don't agree with hitting women but a woman does not have the right to just hit a man for no reason either. Women get away with things that would get most men at least a bloody nose. My answer to this thread is that women should give the same respect they demand of men.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 I don't agree with hitting women but a woman does not have the right to just hit a man for no reason either. I didnt say I agree with hitting women. For me hitting women and men are equally wrong. What I disagree is with people who believe that hitting a woman is somehow worse than hitting a man. For me, both are the same.
Els Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 You go ahead and have fun with that versus thing. The rest of us are busy being partners instead of opponents. I'm sure he's convinced that women aren't interested in him because he doesn't pay for their meals, rather than because he's a whiny male-princess who spends hours a day bemoaning the sad, unfair state of slavery men are in.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 Yeah Im waiting for my princess charming on a white horse to come and get me.
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) The whole thing was just a satire. Today women still expect men to possess traditional qualities that have been identified with the male gender for thousands of years, and Im merely telling them to look in the mirror and ask themselves what traditional female qualities do they have? Why demand others to live up to what they refuse to live up to? You want a man who is a 'man'? Then ask yourself first how much of a 'woman' are you in the first place? Personally for me hitting a woman is no worse than hitting a man. If a woman hits me, I will punch her back. Saying a man should not hit a woman because she is physically weaker is as stupid as saying that American soldiers should not hit Japanese soldiers during WWII because they were skinnier and shorter. That's the problem with allot of women they know they have a protective focer field around and that most Men wont hit them so they get up in your face and do as they please becasue they know there are no cosnequences to it where a Man knows if he gets out of hand with anotehr Man he can get his clock cleaned I only hit a women once in my life becasue she kept provking me spit in my face and slapped me i then proceed to treat her like a man who attacked me and beat the snot out of her She never did it again,lesson learned Edited December 21, 2010 by SteveC80
sally4sara Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 That's the problem with allot of women they know they have a protective focer field around and that most Men wont hit them so they get up in your face and do as they please becasue they know there are no cosnequences to it where a Man knows if he gets out of hand with anotehr Man he can get his clock cleaned I only hit a women once in my life becasue she kept provking me spit in my face and slapped me i then proceed to treat her like a man who attacked me and beat the snot out of her She never did it again,lesson learned That puts me in the mind of this 4'10", 85 lb girl I knew in HS that got in my face throwing a tantrum one day. When I told her to knock it off she asked what I was going to do if she didn't. Unlike yourself, I wasn't seething inside waiting for my chance to take someone my physical inferior to pieces. I was angry all the time back then. Yet no part of me felt so pushed to take advantage of her stupidity because I already knew what her stupidity was blinding her to. I knew if she put a hand on me, I would hit her back. But one swift reprisal was all it was going to take and nothing more beyond that would make what I already knew more true; I was bigger and much stronger than her. And with my younger brother; what a brat! Yet I never got righteous and pushed my size advantage. I came close one day; tapped into that anger just a moment and rabbited him in the kidney after he made a mess I knew I was going to get blamed for and taunted me when I asked him to clean it. I felt awful as soon as I did that and knew if I didn't stop right then he was going to get seriously hurt. That you proceeded to beat the snot out of that much smaller, and quite stupid in that moment person and then come on here to BRAG about it - you were not teaching anyone a lesson. You were just doing what you had wanted to do to other smaller and uncontrolled people all along - loose yourself in your own self righteousness and exert your advantage. One swift reprisal would have been all you were justified in and likely the confrontation would have ended it right there, only continuing if they did is what people who don't secretly wish to do harm do when faced with someone like that.
Untouchable_Fire Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Unlike yourself, I wasn't seething inside waiting for my chance to take someone my physical inferior to pieces. I was angry all the time back then. Yet no part of me felt so pushed to take advantage of her stupidity because I already knew what her stupidity was blinding her to. I knew if she put a hand on me, I would hit her back. But one swift reprisal was all it was going to take and nothing more beyond that would make what I already knew more true; I was bigger and much stronger than her. Maybe you know this poster better than I, but I didn't get that from what he wrote here. Let me just point out one big thing. Just as I will never understand how it feels to give birth or be pregnant... you simply do not understand how rage works for men. You don't understand how it feels and you certainly don't understand how much effort it can take to control it. And with my younger brother; what a brat! Yet I never got righteous and pushed my size advantage. I came close one day; tapped into that anger just a moment and rabbited him in the kidney after he made a mess I knew I was going to get blamed for and taunted me when I asked him to clean it. I felt awful as soon as I did that and knew if I didn't stop right then he was going to get seriously hurt. So... do you have a problem with the fact that he hit someone... or that he isn't remorseful? That you proceeded to beat the snot out of that much smaller, and quite stupid in that moment person and then come on here to BRAG about it - you were not teaching anyone a lesson. You were just doing what you had wanted to do to other smaller and uncontrolled people all along - loose yourself in your own self righteousness and exert your advantage. One swift reprisal would have been all you were justified in and likely the confrontation would have ended it right there, only continuing if they did is what people who don't secretly wish to do harm do when faced with someone like that. He is rationalizing it. What do you want him to do... put himself in jail for it? Look, nobody wants to believe what they do is bad, especially if the situation was heavily provoked. Yeah, what he did wasn't right. Now what do you expect him to say about it?
carhill Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 A lady does not, with purpose and forethought, use her weapons (similar to a man's fists) to manipulate, demean and denigrate her man. Rather, she uplifts him and supports him and validates him as the valuable partner he is. Also, if an average man were to 'take on' a trained female, like say a LEO, he'd learn real soon that size and strength is no absolute advantage in a physical confrontation. Try it sometime Healthy relations are about care and respect, basic tenets of what ladylike and gentlemanly behavior is, IMO.
carhill Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 IMO, a woman can be a 'lady' and not perform or be skilled at jobs like 'cooking'. A lady is about behavior, not skillsets. I'd happily cook to my dying day for a woman who acted like a lady and treated me like a man, albeit a man who loves to cook. IME, she's a rare gem
sally4sara Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Maybe you know this poster better than I, but I didn't get that from what he wrote here. Let me just point out one big thing. Just as I will never understand how it feels to give birth or be pregnant... you simply do not understand how rage works for men. You don't understand how it feels and you certainly don't understand how much effort it can take to control it. Oh UF, your ignorance and your inability to see that women are the same species as yourself would make me laugh if I had any humor for you. How entitled you are to believe I have no idea of how rage works. I have HURT people BADLY. I have tapped into that righteous rage and beat people down. Oh yes. People larger than myself who earned that lesson with their own cruelty. Leverage, speed, accuracy go a long way to diminishing a size difference if you know what you're doing, know where nerve clusters are located, and have a good understanding of the human body and what it takes to break it. Acting on it in rage is like a drug. Once you've let loose like that, it is only that much harder to not lash out again the next time you're goaded. Just ask my tantrumy mother who outweighed me by 90lbs and had me by 7 inches at the time. She learned to keep her hands to herself after that when dealing with me but I was well addicted to rage by then. I delighted in hurting aggressive people who out sized and out muscled me. A good fist to the throat, a boot to the knee, then repeatedly to the head works on anyone. I'd gladly show you if you'd like. And I've come up against an athletic 6'2" man full of sadistic rage who thought I'd be a fun target before. I was pretty busted up and did have to escape - only accomplished by the fact that he really wasn't up to chasing me down after our tangle. I wasn't as fun as he'd hoped. So when I tell you someone has to want to hurt people smaller than themselves to do what swell Mr. Steve claims to have done - teach someone his physical inferior a "lesson" beyond a swift reprisal, I know exactly what I'm talking about. You don't own any corner on rage via your gender.
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 That puts me in the mind of this 4'10", 85 lb girl I knew in HS that got in my face throwing a tantrum one day. When I told her to knock it off she asked what I was going to do if she didn't. Unlike yourself, I wasn't seething inside waiting for my chance to take someone my physical inferior to pieces. I was angry all the time back then. Yet no part of me felt so pushed to take advantage of her stupidity because I already knew what her stupidity was blinding her to. I knew if she put a hand on me, I would hit her back. But one swift reprisal was all it was going to take and nothing more beyond that would make what I already knew more true; I was bigger and much stronger than her. And with my younger brother; what a brat! Yet I never got righteous and pushed my size advantage. I came close one day; tapped into that anger just a moment and rabbited him in the kidney after he made a mess I knew I was going to get blamed for and taunted me when I asked him to clean it. I felt awful as soon as I did that and knew if I didn't stop right then he was going to get seriously hurt. That you proceeded to beat the snot out of that much smaller, and quite stupid in that moment person and then come on here to BRAG about it - you were not teaching anyone a lesson. You were just doing what you had wanted to do to other smaller and uncontrolled people all along - loose yourself in your own self righteousness and exert your advantage. One swift reprisal would have been all you were justified in and likely the confrontation would have ended it right there, only continuing if they did is what people who don't secretly wish to do harm do when faced with someone like that. You assume a whole lot in your post about a situation you know nothing about,i did everyhting in my power to restrain myself till i had no options left Some people ask for trouble and theyll get it,that girl that day thought she had her lifelong protective forfield around her and could do anyhting till she met her match and was put in her place and realized to never do it again
elaina Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 A lady does not, with purpose and forethought, use her weapons (similar to a man's fists) to manipulate, demean and denigrate her man. Rather, she uplifts him and supports him and validates him as the valuable partner he is. Also, if an average man were to 'take on' a trained female, like say a LEO, he'd learn real soon that size and strength is no absolute advantage in a physical confrontation. Try it sometime Healthy relations are about care and respect, basic tenets of what ladylike and gentlemanly behavior is, IMO. Very true
sally4sara Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 You assume a whole lot in your post about a situation you know nothing about,i did everyhting in my power to restrain myself till i had no options left Some people ask for trouble and theyll get it,that girl that day thought she had her lifelong protective forfield around her and could do anyhting till she met her match and was put in her place and realized to never do it again Sorry buddy, seems I am a stronger willed person than yourself. I see nothing wrong in that you hit her back. Slightly bigger tit for tat is fair play plus a warning to back off. Proceeding to "beat the snot" out of someone physically inferior to yourself and proving what you already knew you were capable of to someone being stupid was a failing on your part. You are still a man, tho. Just not one I could respect.
carhill Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 IMO, a better boundary response to unladylike behavior is to walk away. Life is brief; too brief to be wasted on violent patrolling of boundaries, save for threats to life. Generally, a woman who is not a lady in her behaviors will reveal herself long before the boundaries of mental and/or physical abuse are reached or breached.
Mme. Chaucer Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Hmm. It's not very hopeful when a thread started about the "jobs" of a lady (albeit a trollish thread to begin with) morphs into a thread where guys brag about "beating the snot" out of a woman to "teach her a lesson."
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Sorry buddy, seems I am a stronger willed person than yourself. I see nothing wrong in that you hit her back. Slightly bigger tit for tat is fair play plus a warning to back off. Proceeding to "beat the snot" out of someone physically inferior to yourself and proving what you already knew you were capable of to someone being stupid was a failing on your part. You are still a man, tho. Just not one I could respect. "Proving what you already knew" This wasnt about proving anyhting sweetie it was about putting a lunatic who thought she could bully Men verbally and physically with no fear of retaliation in her place,if you dont punch a bully in the face theyll continue their ways
Yer_Blues Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Oh UF, your ignorance and your inability to see that women are the same species as yourself would make me laugh if I had any humor for you. How entitled you are to believe I have no idea of how rage works. I have HURT people BADLY. I have tapped into that righteous rage and beat people down. Oh yes. People larger than myself who earned that lesson with their own cruelty. Leverage, speed, accuracy go a long way to diminishing a size difference if you know what you're doing, know where nerve clusters are located, and have a good understanding of the human body and what it takes to break it. Acting on it in rage is like a drug. Once you've let loose like that, it is only that much harder to not lash out again the next time you're goaded. Just ask my tantrumy mother who outweighed me by 90lbs and had me by 7 inches at the time. She learned to keep her hands to herself after that when dealing with me but I was well addicted to rage by then. I delighted in hurting aggressive people who out sized and out muscled me. A good fist to the throat, a boot to the knee, then repeatedly to the head works on anyone. I'd gladly show you if you'd like. And I've come up against an athletic 6'2" man full of sadistic rage who thought I'd be a fun target before. I was pretty busted up and did have to escape - only accomplished by the fact that he really wasn't up to chasing me down after our tangle. I wasn't as fun as he'd hoped. So when I tell you someone has to want to hurt people smaller than themselves to do what swell Mr. Steve claims to have done - teach someone his physical inferior a "lesson" beyond a swift reprisal, I know exactly what I'm talking about. You don't own any corner on rage via your gender. Yeah, I don't think anybody has a corner on any emotion. It's more of an individual spectrum. I don't think ANYTHING can be generalized to a gender. These discussions are counter-productive, and say a lot more about the people making the claims than they say about men or women as a while. Stereotyping is something that allows people to make decisions/judgements with very limited time/information. They tend to be negative and inaccurate, and people have a tendency to have confirmation bias once they form one. Making an effort to get to know somebody as an individual and actually acquiring that information is more difficult and time consuming. It's a hell of a lot easier to stereotype, judge, and put yourself over people than it is to acknowledge life's complexity and put yourself on the same level as other people. I'm sure its comforting to think that the problem is outside of the self. It's not you or the people you are with, its women as a gender and YOU are fine. Self-serving defense mechanisms are comforting, but I wouldn't expect other people to adopt them.
elaina Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 That's the problem with allot of women they know they have a protective focer field around and that most Men wont hit them so they get up in your face and do as they please becasue they know there are no cosnequences to it where a Man knows if he gets out of hand with anotehr Man he can get his clock cleaned I only hit a women once in my life becasue she kept provking me spit in my face and slapped me i then proceed to treat her like a man who attacked me and beat the snot out of her She never did it again,lesson learned If you don't want her to attack you, call the cops, but beating her up is just as low as she was to you. Someone should have called the cops on the both of you, cause both of you are wrong and both of you were being abusive.
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 If you don't want her to attack you, call the cops, but beating her up is just as low as she was to you. Someone should have called the cops on the both of you, cause both of you are wrong and both of you were being abusive. Abusive:rolleyes: Do you know how much i took before i snapped? Another Man would have stomped her out months before If anyhting i took it easy on her compared to what she desrved
sally4sara Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 "Proving what you already knew" This wasnt about proving anyhting sweetie it was about putting a lunatic who thought she could bully Men verbally and physically with no fear of retaliation in her place,if you dont punch a bully in the face theyll continue their ways Well sugarbutt, you're the one going on about teaching someone a lesson so how you're going to now claim it wasn't about proving something I'm unclear on. How someone so much smaller than you is seen by you as a bully is beyond me. Its like being scared of a yorkie. Hitting you to begin with was her failing. And as I said, you were justified in hitting her back. Going on to beat the snot out of her was YOUR failing if she didn't continue hitting you. The only way I can see what you did to be justified was if she just came at you again and again, you had no exit, or she picked up a weapon. Its the entire reason why someone trained in fighting is liable for physical damages caused to a person who attacks them with no fight training even if they are of the same size and strength.
SteveC80 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Well sugarbutt, you're the one going on about teaching someone a lesson so how you're going to now claim it wasn't about proving something I'm unclear on. How someone so much smaller than you is seen by you as a bully is beyond me. Its like being scared of a yorkie. Hitting you to begin with was her failing. And as I said, you were justified in hitting her back. Going on to beat the snot out of her was YOUR failing if she didn't continue hitting you. The only way I can see what you did to be justified was if she just came at you again and again, you had no exit, or she picked up a weapon. Its the entire reason why someone trained in fighting is liable for physical damages caused to a person who attacks them with no fight training even if they are of the same size and strength. So youre saying only people the same exact height and weight are ever allowed to fight? She pushed my buttons and put me in harms way and she got dealt with end of story Id do it 100x's over i dont regret my decision
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