DollWelch Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 Being a gentleman means you are a fool. You'd have to be a Brainless Shmuck to fall for Tom Leykis. His definition of a gentleman, and how he ought to behave, is all wrong; not only that, his voice is extremely annoying.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 You'd have to be a Brainless Shmuck to fall for Tom Leykis. His definition of a gentleman, and how he ought to behave, is all wrong; not only that, his voice is extremely annoying. Okay so what is a gentleman than?
OldSkool Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 But at the same time it seems that 30 years ago women were less self-entitled than today. Men were expected to be gentlemen while women were expected to be ladies. Today, the expectation is only on the men while the women are expected to do nothing. Here's an old saying of mine. People in general have two ways of reacting to misery. Some will do everything they can to drag everyone around them that they can down to their level of misery. Others choose to grit their teeth, learn the lesson and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Even if I agreed with your statement that "Women are expected to do nothing", which I absolutely do not, why should that change how I act towards them and who I am? I am not a gentleman to win the approval of women, I am not a gentleman in an attempt to impress my colleagues. I am a gentleman because I genuinely enjoy being one. I like the pride I take in holding to values that I believe are important. I really don't care how the rest of the world has "changed" according to you. I do this for myself. Peace.
OldSkool Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 Okay so what is a gentleman than? Take a look in the mirror, then think of the exact opposite attitude towards women. That's a good start.
taiko Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 I just discovered this guy and he is awesome. Since you are new to him one of the 101 basics is that you don't care about relationships. You are being taught how to get sex. You will lose any argument about relationships if you use the Lykis 101 method and theory to argue.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 Take a look in the mirror, then think of the exact opposite attitude towards women. That's a good start. If thats what a gentleman is then I dont wanna be one. Been there done that. Here's an old saying of mine. People in general have two ways of reacting to misery. Some will do everything they can to drag everyone around them that they can down to their level of misery. Others choose to grit their teeth, learn the lesson and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Even if I agreed with your statement that "Women are expected to do nothing", which I absolutely do not, why should that change how I act towards them and who I am? I am not a gentleman to win the approval of women, I am not a gentleman in an attempt to impress my colleagues. I am a gentleman because I genuinely enjoy being one. I like the pride I take in holding to values that I believe are important. I really don't care how the rest of the world has "changed" according to you. I do this for myself. Stockholm Syndrome. If you take pleasure in others taking advantage of you then all the power to you. Its just not my cup of tea. To each his own I guess ...
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 Since you are new to him one of the 101 basics is that you don't care about relationships. You are being taught how to get sex. You will lose any argument about relationships if you use the Lykis 101 method and theory to argue. I disagree with Leykis on the sex part and I find his rhetoric on that disgusting. But I agree with him on men should be careful and not let ourselves get taken advantage of.
OldSkool Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 Stockholm Syndrome. Ad Hominem Attacks: ]a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Also known as the last resort of someone who does not have anything factual to argue.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 Ad Hominem Attacks: ]a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Also known as the last resort of someone who does not have anything factual to argue. I just think that men who take pride in being a gentleman suffer from Stockholm Syndrome because the symptom fits. I fail to see how it is irrelevant.
OldSkool Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 And I'm not going to waste time explaining. Do your own research on ad hominem. Like I said before, you have a lot of growing to do kid.
Woggle Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 I have mixed feelings about him. I know he is a jerk but sometimes I find myself jumping up and wanting to say amen because it's so true. The ironic thing is that most of the women who call to argue with him end up proving him right. A while ago I posted a thread where a woman called his show bragging about cheating and she ended up proving his point.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 And I'm not going to waste time explaining. Do your own research on ad hominem. Like I said before, you have a lot of growing to do kid. Ow you are that grandpa from the other thread.
theBrokenMuse Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) Do your own research on ad hominem. Like I said before, you have a lot of growing to do kid. Won't happen when people are content to hide behind defunct logic in order to preserve their defensive mechanisms. Edited December 8, 2010 by theBrokenMuse
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 I have mixed feelings about him. I know he is a jerk but sometimes I find myself jumping up and wanting to say amen because it's so true. The ironic thing is that most of the women who call to argue with him end up proving him right. A while ago I posted a thread where a woman called his show bragging about cheating and she ended up proving his point. The guy is a jerk, absolutely. But that doesnt automatically negates everything he says. My favorite parts of his shows are indeed when he takes female phone callers and he shoots them all down with simple logic.
AverageJoe Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 I am new to this guy as well. I have listened to many of the other archives I found online, and holy hell, this guy is great! So I was curious about some of the accusations made towards him. It looks to me like those domestic violence charges were dropped. No evidence to support the charge. If the police cant find evidence then I highly suspect some members on this forum are not going to be very fruitful in their accusations either. As for his advice, from what I have gathered so far he isnt giving advice on getting married. So his past divorces are irrelevant in regards to the advice he gives. Yes, it does look like four divorces so that means he probably knows why not to get married and that seems to be some of the advice given. It looks like his station of twelve years or so changed formats. Is he going to be back on the air any time soon? I am really digging this guy. You just cant argue with logic.
Bogo123 Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 Tom Leykis is the truth. He has some great advice. I used to listen to him every day out in LA. DTB!!!
Author musemaj11 Posted December 9, 2010 Author Posted December 9, 2010 I dont think anyone should listen to Tom about using women for sex though. Its as bad as someone telling women to use men for money. Only listen to his advices regarding protecting yourself from getting manipulated by women. Two wrongs dont make a right.
AverageJoe Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 I dont think anyone should listen to Tom about using women for sex though. Its as bad as someone telling women to use men for money. Many women already do. Only listen to his advices regarding protecting yourself from getting manipulated by women. Two wrongs dont make a right. Thx I can make my own determination in that regard. So far from what I have listened to, he is pretty much on point. And the show is hilarious to boot. I found his old site and followed a couple of links. Looks like he will be back on the air the first part of 2012.
TheBigQuestion Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 Even though I can't say I agree with his general attitude, that first caller he speaks to is a complete moron.
elaina Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 IDK, my male role model was married for over 50 years in total and for my life to my mom. Hi Carhill, That's awesome! His perspective on how to treat ladies didn't really work out to well for me, so no panacea. I sorta disagree with this. The reason is because being a gentleman, in what I consider what a gentleman is, does not have anything to do with how it "works out" for one. For example, in To Kill a Mockingbird, the lawyer I forgot his name, was I believe a gentleman who firmly stood by his moral convictions concerning the man who he rightly believed was innocent. I don't believe he would have thought "oh well this conviction I have concerning this man of a different ethnicity is going to work out well for me." It didn't matter. What mattered to him was that he was doing the right thing and that he was treating this man well, and doing the best he could for him. I think being gentlemanly is more that... a showing of integrity to others, not so much a means to an end of working things out for one's own benefit, you see what I mean please? Maybe this is part of how gentlemen are targeted for extinction. I guess it depends on the definition of gentlemen. Hopefully, they are not targeted for extinction. I know if I have sons, I hope to teach them to be gentlemen, and that they are gentlemen not just to please their mom , but because they themselves want to be good, strong men who stand up for the weak, who treat women with respect and kindness, and who are considerate of others. Part of growth is taking and accepting new information and incorporating it into one's psychology and values system. This new information won't inhibit polite, caring and empathetic behaviors in general, but it will provide important clarity about how such behaviors operate in intimate interpersonal relationships and be an impetus to accepting such dynamics. IOW, it is what it is. Accept the results and move on. If I find a lady to be patronizing my natural behavioral style, I'll accept it and move on. Again, I think it's important to know why one would be a gentleman. If being a gentleman is to only get something, then that doesn't really cut it. For example, even though I'm still in the learning process, to me it is important to be a lady. That means that even though someone annoys me while I'm driving , that I don't stick my finger out at them and call them a bad name, but rather, that I just calm myself and concentrate on driving well. Does it matter to other people that I"m a lady? Maybe not. But it matters to me, because I am responsible for what I do, regardless of what other people do or say to me. I am responsible for my own actions and reactions to other people's actions.
sagetalk Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiM89ih-ffU Being a gentleman means you are a fool. I don't give a rat's what some cocky jerk has to say to me about women. Any guy above the age of 15 knows the majority of women are attracted to jerks, that is no excuse to be one. I don't act like a gentleman to turn women on, it's who I am and it's how I want to treat them. And most importantly, it's how they should be treated. If my acting like a gentleman turns them off, I'd say being dumped by them would be a good thing. Edited December 9, 2010 by sagetalk
AverageJoe Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 And most importantly, it's how they should be treated. They should, in todays society? Curious, why?
kiss_andmakeup Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 That man is repulsive. I don't give a rat's what some cocky jerk has to say to me about women. Any guy above the age of 15 knows the majority of women are attracted to jerks, that is no excuse to be one. I don't act like a gentleman to turn women on, it's who I am and it's how I want to treat them. And most importantly, it's how they should be treated. If my acting like a gentleman turns them off, I'd say being dumped by them would be a good thing. Well said.
Star Gazer Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 I don't act like a gentleman to turn women on, it's who I am and it's how I want to treat them. And most importantly, it's how they should be treated. This. is. awesome.
carhill Posted December 9, 2010 Posted December 9, 2010 I sorta disagree with this. The reason is because being a gentleman, in what I consider what a gentleman is, does not have anything to do with how it "works out" for one.I often use LS as a mirror of reflection regarding how things have worked out. No prejudice. I think, for some men, being a gentleman works out for them; IOW, for them, their natural behavior patterns are found attractive and accepted by society and those whom look to them as potential romantic partners. For others, myself being one example, it's been a long and relatively lonely road. That road doesn't change who I am, but I do reflect upon it realistically. Perhaps when you're in your 50's, you will reflect back on life and assess how it has worked out; how choices and convictions have transited the passage of time and experience. The good news is a gentleman on such a perhaps less-traveled path can enjoy the love of others; people who find value in a style perhaps rooted in times gone by. I've been blessed in that regard, having a wide family of friends all over the world. It's been a good life. These aspects of life have been on my mind more in the last couple months since my mom died as I settled her estate and reflected back upon her life and long marriage to my father. Combined with reading LS, a lot of clarity has resulted. Best wishes
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