musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiM89ih-ffU Being a gentleman means you are a fool.
taiko Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 I thought he and Lykis 101 retired when his flagship radio station changed formats
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 I thought he and Lykis 101 retired when his flagship radio station changed formats I just discovered this guy and he is awesome.
Art_Critic Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 The guy has been married and divorced 4 times and beat up his last wife and you look up him.. Why ?
carhill Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 Well, if that biographical information is true, it appears ungentlemanly behavior in general has attracted at least four wives to him and impelled him to pay for three abortions to retain his childless status. Says a lot about what's attractive, given, at minimum, the cross-section of his wives. As a lifelong gentleman, I would have to agree that, in general, specifically wrt women, gentlemanly behavior has been a foolish choice. Even my exW didn't particularly care for it. Live and learn
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) The guy has been married and divorced 4 times and beat up his last wife and you look up him.. Why ? One of the divorces was because his wife cheated on him. On his show he talked about how his ex-wives leeched off him and made awful wives. The fact that he has been married so many times actually gives him credibility because he obviously know what he is talking about when he constantly talks about how men should never marry. As a lifelong gentleman, I would have to agree that, in general, specifically wrt women, gentlemanly behavior has been a foolish choice. Even my exW didn't particularly care for it. Live and learn Im very glad that I learn this very early in my life. Edited December 8, 2010 by musemaj11
carhill Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 OP, it's good to remember that social dynamics and the world in general is far different than 20, 30, 40 years ago, the period when many of us old farts were being socialized by our family and peer groups. Perhaps this is in aspect of social behavior which has seen its time. Fair enough. That said, Mr. Leykis must've been a slow learner to go through four wives to get the message. All it took for me was one, and she was a great teacher.
Taramere Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiM89ih-ffU Being a gentleman means you are a fool. Or perhaps it means not being a worthless skanks with such a paucity of values and so little sense of self that you can watch a youtube video by some shrieking, bile-riddled buffoon and decide "I like that. That's who I'll be. If I don't have a personality I can at least develop a personality disorder in a bid to seem interesting." Absolutely pathetic.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 OP, it's good to remember that social dynamics and the world in general is far different than 20, 30, 40 years ago, the period when many of us old farts were being socialized by our family and peer groups. Perhaps this is in aspect of social behavior which has seen its time. Fair enough. But at the same time it seems that 30 years ago women were less self-entitled than today. Men were expected to be gentlemen while women were expected to be ladies. Today, the expectation is only on the men while the women are expected to do nothing. That said, Mr. Leykis must've been a slow learner to go through four wives to get the message. All it took for me was one, and she was a great teacher. Well, Tom often said in his segments that inside he is actually the nice hopeless romantic kind of guy. Maybe deep down he is still hoping to find that special woman but times again and again he was disappointed.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) Deleted ..................... Edited December 8, 2010 by musemaj11
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) Or perhaps it means not being a worthless skanks with such a paucity of values and so little sense of self that you can watch a youtube video by some shrieking, bile-riddled buffoon and decide "I like that. That's who I'll be. If I don't have a personality I can at least develop a personality disorder in a bid to seem interesting." Absolutely pathetic. Yada yada yada ... Typical angry woman. Edited December 8, 2010 by musemaj11
Mad Max Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 So you're going to listen to someone that's been married 4 times and is a wifebeater? That would be like me taking advice from my dad, who has also been married 4 times.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 So you're going to listen to someone that's been married 4 times and is a wifebeater? That would be like me taking advice from my dad, who has also been married 4 times. I dont agree with his wife-beating history. But then again I listen to the message not the messenger.
Mad Max Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 I dont agree with his wife-beating history. But then again I listen to the message not the messenger. If you wanted relationship advice, would you take it from someone that's been married 4 times? I sure wouldn't. Some people are in no place to give advice.
Madgick1 Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 I would have no interest in any man who is not a gentleman. Of course it depends on what he means by gentleman. Definition is everything.
carhill Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 IDK, my male role model was married for over 50 years in total and for my life to my mom. His perspective on how to treat ladies didn't really work out to well for me, so no panacea. Maybe this is part of how gentlemen are targeted for extinction. Part of growth is taking and accepting new information and incorporating it into one's psychology and values system. This new information won't inhibit polite, caring and empathetic behaviors in general, but it will provide important clarity about how such behaviors operate in intimate interpersonal relationships and be an impetus to accepting such dynamics. IOW, it is what it is. Accept the results and move on. If I find a lady to be patronizing my natural behavioral style, I'll accept it and move on.
Taramere Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 Yada yada yada ... Typical angry woman. Looking up Tom Leykis, he not only assaulted his spouse - he also encouraged viewers to mount a harassment campaign against one of his rival radio presenters. In light of the character assessment abilities you've demonstrated so far, I think I can live with your assessment of me as a "typical angry woman."
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 If you wanted relationship advice, would you take it from someone that's been married 4 times? I sure wouldn't. Some people are in no place to give advice. The reason he got divorced a lot was because he refused to put up with his ex-wives crap. And after four marriages he learned his lesson that marriage is mostly about women taking advantage of men. He believes men shouldnt marry if he wants to marry, find someone who has equal or more to offer. You need to listen to all his programs in order to understand him better.
Mad Max Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 The reason he got divorced a lot was because he refused to put up with his ex-wives crap. And after four marriages he learned his lesson that marriage is mostly about women taking advantage of men. He believes men shouldnt marry if he wants to marry, find someone who has equal or more to offer. You need to listen to all his programs in order to understand him better. The reason he got divorced was a combination of him choosing the wrong women and him being a total moron. You need to research the background of a person giving advice before you take the advice seriously.
sweetjasmine Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 I, for one, am glad that people like this Tom Leykis character refuse to get married (again) and loudly broadcast their opinions. It makes it easier for the rest of us to figure out who to avoid.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 The reason he got divorced was a combination of him choosing the wrong women and him being a total moron. You need to research the background of a person giving advice before you take the advice seriously. Firstly I have a mind of my own. I dont agree with every single thing that anyone says. I will agree what I think is true and I will disagree with what I think is not true. If a thief says stealing is wrong, I have enough intelligence to judge whether I should believe his message or not despite who he is.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 IDK, my male role model was married for over 50 years in total and for my life to my mom. His perspective on how to treat ladies didn't really work out to well for me, so no panacea. Maybe this is part of how gentlemen are targeted for extinction. Part of growth is taking and accepting new information and incorporating it into one's psychology and values system. This new information won't inhibit polite, caring and empathetic behaviors in general, but it will provide important clarity about how such behaviors operate in intimate interpersonal relationships and be an impetus to accepting such dynamics. IOW, it is what it is. Accept the results and move on. If I find a lady to be patronizing my natural behavioral style, I'll accept it and move on. Obviously times have changed. In the past, when you give you would in turn receive back. But today you will likely get taken advantage of instead.
sally4sara Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 After having read the standards of the culture you grew up in I find it hard to believe you only came to this attitude by being exposed to American culture. It was in you all along and its you original culture and its low regard of women that is to blame. You would have come to it no matter where you went or what you experienced.
carhill Posted December 8, 2010 Posted December 8, 2010 Perhaps, in an extreme example, like that offered by the radio show and Mr. Lekis' life in general, there can be found a middle ground of healthy perspective. OP, another potential to learn from is the dynamic of the middle ground between 'want' and 'attraction'. Aspects of both have play in the realm of the healthiness of gentlemanly behaviors and how they are defined. One clear signal from a woman is when want and attraction line up and they uniformly and unilaterally signal gentlemanly behavior is neither wanted nor attractive. A less clear signal is when want and attraction diverge. This provides other important information about the psyche of the person, but it takes a bit more probing to get clarity. When I recognize divergence in a potential, and this has occurred more since MC, I watch carefully. Essentially, it's putting clarity to 'feelings' and 'senses'. Is that process 'foolish'? Perhaps. However, I don't wish to be married four times so I take as much information as I can away from one failed marriage and learn from it.
Author musemaj11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Posted December 8, 2010 After having read the standards of the culture you grew up in I find it hard to believe you only came to this attitude by being exposed to American culture. It was in you all along and its you original culture and its low regard of women that is to blame. You would have come to it no matter where you went or what you experienced. What attitude? In my original culture just like in many other cultures, most people get married once and stay married until death. Women taking advantage of nice men and running away from marriage after taking the guy to the cleaner is largely an American phenomenon. Is that process 'foolish'? Perhaps. However, I don't wish to be married four times so I take as much information as I can away from one failed marriage and learn from it. Or maybe dont get married again?
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