BackUpOrGetStung Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 I predict that the OP is not going to have success in tricking some gal into having casual sex, so I'm not too concerned. On the other hand, if any young woman does fall for his "game," I'm fearful that she be a very vulnerable and inexperienced one. I hate to see innocent people get hurt. Believe me, I wouldn't be telling so much if I thought he had a snowball's chance in hell at pulling this off. Should he be able to talk someone into a date with someone on there(doubtful), his attitude will give him away in a heartbeat.
Author U1987 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 Everyone knows you're taking a job for the money, at least somewhat. If you are lying on your resume or entering into agreements you have no intention to fulfill, then yes, it's wrong. For instance, telling a company you promise to stay there at least a full year, when you plan on leaving the area in the next few months and just want cash for awhile. . . that'd be morally wrong. Lying on your resume? Morally wrong. Lying in your college essay? Morally wrong. You just said, "I lie at everything. How is dating any different?" Well . . . I guess it isn't. It's all morally wrong. Putting a little bit of a shine -- writing the resume or dating profile the best way possible, while having honest intentions (to get a job, learn skills, make some money, and do the best you can for the company, or conversely, to find a short-term situation where you can contribute and you can make some quick cash/to make a significant and strong relationship with another human being, or conversely, to have a mutual NSA hookup with both parties honest and happy about it) is fine. Lying about your intentions to get something -- sex, money, whatever -- is morally wrong and pretty gross. Who are you to choose what is more to ask for? To me, a committed relationship is a joy and NSA sex would be psychologically harmful. Now, I've never been fooled by players -- and I doubt you'll really fool anyone -- but the point is: You don't get to decide other people's priorities or what is a lot to ask for in this realm. To some people, sex IS a major thing. It's her fault you had to lie because she didn't want what you wanted? Seriously? I will say that girls need to be responsible and aware so they don't accidentally have sex with guys who think like you. Even if they want to have NSA sex, they should go for the men that respect women and approach sex honestly. Though, really, it's sad that girls have to take responsibility to analyze men so closely if they don't want to be used for sex. It's sad that good men have to deal with making sure they don't project too sexy a vibe and get confused with the likes of you. Oh, poor, poor you. No excuse for lying to people. That is probably the most self-absorbed thing I've read in awhile. Then like I said, what do I have to do? What do you want me to do? I don't ask sarcastic or rhetorical questions. How do you want me to live my life? How would you design my life where this area is concerned?
Author U1987 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 Like I said, I don't understand all this uproar over just putting "looking for a relationship" on my profile. Please tell me, what is the alternative?
Author U1987 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 So I actually got a first contact from a girl on my fake Seattle account after switching back to my old profile format, which was slimmed down by BackUpOrGetStung. A totally cute hipster girl wrote me this. Title: Hey cutie! Message: So where in Europe, Asia and Latin America have you been? How should I design my response? Simply state the countries I've been to, or add significant details to each? Should I ask her if she's traveled abroad and where? Should I bring up other stuff in her profile (liking tattoos, indy music, mom-n-pop coffee shops and dive bars; hipster stuff)? Or save that for later?
dispatch3d Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 I'd say just give a little bit of information then go for a date. Seems like it's more productive to work on getting reliable first responses right now rather than working on the 2nd responses. Once you get regular first messages I'd assume it's easier to work on 2nd messages (easier to get the volume in).....
BackUpOrGetStung Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 Say the countries you've been to in each place, which was your favorite country in each place and why(be brief).
Author U1987 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 Say the countries you've been to in each place, which was your favorite country in each place and why(be brief). Should I not ask her anything in return? Also, like I asked before, how did you design your profile? What was your career? And should I put "looking for dating" or "looking for relationship"?
BackUpOrGetStung Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 Yeah, ask her something in return too, but don't just arbitrarily pull a fact from her profile to ask her about. Ask her about something that you know some about as well. My profile was designed like I did yours, and my career was software engineer..but that's my real career and I wouldn't advise lying about that. I put "date but nothing serious".
zengirl Posted December 23, 2010 Posted December 23, 2010 Then like I said, what do I have to do? What do you want me to do? I don't ask sarcastic or rhetorical questions. How do you want me to live my life? How would you design my life where this area is concerned? I suggest everyone live their lives honestly, be honest with people, and approach people with respect. Will that get you laid? I have no bloody idea. The whole point is that getting what you want -- sex or money or anything else -- is not worth your integrity. And a lie to get what you want is absolutely wrong.
Author U1987 Posted January 2, 2011 Author Posted January 2, 2011 I suggest everyone live their lives honestly, be honest with people, and approach people with respect. Will that get you laid? I have no bloody idea. The whole point is that getting what you want -- sex or money or anything else -- is not worth your integrity. And a lie to get what you want is absolutely wrong. These are vague generalities. What do you specifically, physically want me to do? What do you want me to type on my profile and messages? Please answer that.
Author U1987 Posted January 3, 2011 Author Posted January 3, 2011 So I'm putting BackUpOrGetStung's message to the test; I "moved" my profile to Raleigh NC and went shotgun on the city, sending his message to every girl I found attractive. I messaged a hot guidette who can't spell, a girl looking for a "southern man," a psychiatry major who just came back from China, a tattoo artist looking for a "creative guy, someone who just moved from California and is looking to meet new guys and new people in general, a forensics student who's into tattoos and drag racing, another girl who can't spell, cute who likes shopping but "going to church" (red flag for me), an engineering student who's also into 80s movies and music, a dental hygienist from Florida, a girl with nothing on her profile but her pictures but invites any guy to "ask away," a gym trainer, a foreign exchange student from Colombia, another girl who can't spell, a girl who loves Food Network, a UNC softball athlete, a surfer girl, another girl who moved from Florida, a dog sitter, a nursing school student, a cute girl who's suspiciously fit in some pics but "wider" in others and about 30 other girls.
welikeincrowds Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 These are vague generalities. What do you specifically, physically want me to do? What do you want me to type on my profile and messages? Please answer that. I specifically, physically want you to get up from your computer and move to the closest mirror. I want you to clench your dominant hand into a hard first, fingertips against the top of your palm, thumb taught behind your knuckles, wrist straight. Following that, I want you to punch yourself in your face. Will you do this?
Star Gazer Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 I specifically, physically want you to get up from your computer and move to the closest mirror. I want you to clench your dominant hand into a hard first, fingertips against the top of your palm, thumb taught behind your knuckles, wrist straight. Following that, I want you to punch yourself in your face. Will you do this? Oh...my...goodness...
dispatch3d Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 lol that's awesome, and definitely the advantage of having a first message that can just be a copy/paste.
Author U1987 Posted January 3, 2011 Author Posted January 3, 2011 I'm actually pretty stunned; over night 4 of the nearly 50 girls I emailed actually responded to BackUpOrGetStung's cookie-cutter message. Granted these girls are young (18-22) and perhaps are inexperienced enough to be able to identify a shotgun-message, but it's better then nothing. Here's what they said The girl looking for an "old fashioned southern man." Aww thank u hunnie:) ur a cutie! Hope to hear from u soon! The UNC softball athlete who loves Jager, chocolate and "has a tendency to get in trouble." Well thanks! I'm glad you appreciate someone so blunt. Most people don't. Molecular Biology... that's pretty intense An Italian girl who moved from NYC for college. Hey. Thanks and yes i would like to chat more. Have a good day! The girl who moved from Florida and is "sarcastic and competitive." Hey! I can't tell you how much of a relief it is to get a message that doesn't just say, "Hey, what's up?!" I'd love to chat more.
dispatch3d Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 sweet. Any way you could mess with the profile to see what's possible with the best possible profile? I know in the dating forum on attraction forums.com (something like that) one of the pros gives a link to his dating profile. You could put that up, send the same 50 messages, and see if there is any change (could resemble the maximum you can reasonably expect). 4/50 is something to work with, although kind of tedious.
Author U1987 Posted January 3, 2011 Author Posted January 3, 2011 sweet. Any way you could mess with the profile to see what's possible with the best possible profile? I know in the dating forum on attraction forums.com (something like that) one of the pros gives a link to his dating profile. You could put that up, send the same 50 messages, and see if there is any change (could resemble the maximum you can reasonably expect). 4/50 is something to work with, although kind of tedious. It's more like 4 in 25, because half of the emails I sent out weren't read yet, so I may still get a few more responses in the next day or two. I really don't know how else I can tweak my profile though.
dispatch3d Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 My suggestion is to use one that is clearly very good (not very good to you, but somehow recognized by many to be very good) just to see where the ceiling of the messages are. If the ceiling is not very high (like 15% or something) then you may want to add minor things to the message, but if the ceiling is much higher than you are now (say 70%) then you would do well to work on the profile.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 These are vague generalities. What do you specifically, physically want me to do? What do you want me to type on my profile and messages? Please answer that. There are two points that you are not getting. One is that lying in order to get another person to do what YOU want them to do is not right. The other one is more complex. I'll try to explain: Getting into a sexual situation with another person, or into any kind of relationship whatsoever, is not something that can be accomplished simply by following steps. Yes, following steps can get you in a good direction to reach your goal, but after all, it is who you ARE and what you have to offer that will engage other people enough that they will want to spend time with you ... have sex with you ... or whatever. There does not exist a proper recipe of steps that will lead you just where you want to go. Even though you are just interested in getting laid, you are still talking about interacting with another human being who has just as much going on as you do, and who is coming with her own set of goals for the outcome of meeting you. There are good "players" who can work other people very successfully into the position where they want them. There are those with magnetic sex appeal who draw others to them with little effort. The rest of us have to try to actually BE a person who other people crave to be with in order to get close to other people.
BackUpOrGetStung Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Quote: Aww thank u hunnie ur a cutie! Hope to hear from u soon! I doubt this one will respond to subsequent messages. I got a quite a few responses almost verbatim to this one, and it sounds promising, but it's not. Send another message to see though. Quote: Well thanks! I'm glad you appreciate someone so blunt. Most people don't. Molecular Biology... that's pretty intense Don't spend more than a sentence or two on molecular biology and don't go into detail(she doesn't really care about it, don't bore her). Just say something like, "yeah, it's intense, but it's like anything else, practice makes perfect ;)". Also, tell her that you appreciate people that call it like it is. Hey. Thanks and yes i would like to chat more. Have a good day! Now, ask her a couple specific questions. Hey! I can't tell you how much of a relief it is to get a message that doesn't just say, "Hey, what's up?!" I'd love to chat more. Ask her how her new years weekend was and what she typically likes to do for fun. Also, didn't I specifically say earlier in this thread, that I had gotten this same reply from women several times?
Author U1987 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 I had my doubts at first though. Still, I think it could use some refining; all of the messages have been read but only 1 more responded, so that's about a 10% response rate. Did you have have any slight variations or what not? What was your response rate? Anyway, like I said, 1 more responded; the surfer girl. So I see your profile says ur 'non-religious.' I guess that means you aren't originally from the south. That's cool though. I can dig that : )I'll get to work on the previous 4, but what do you think of this response for this particular one? Me: Woops! You caught me! Yankee-boy born and raised! But I love NC; I never want to leave Which isn't entirely dishonest; I have been to NC and it was a lot of fun. I don't want to get into religion though so what's a good way to go from here?
Author U1987 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 So I'm trying to think of something to write back to the girl who said... Well thanks! I'm glad you appreciate someone so blunt. Most people don't. Molecular Biology... that's pretty intense She's the one who loves Jagger, chocolate and says later on in the profile that she has a tendency for getting in trouble. Me: What can I say? I'm a nerd at heart. I actually was a poli sci major before, but then I got my PS3 which has a program called Folding At Home; it does biomolecular simulations on your PS3 and uploads the results to medical researchers. It was dazzling to see all the molecules just flying around and colliding and doing stuff on screen, so I figured that's what I wanted to do. Anyway, you look like a really clean-cut girl. I can't believe you have a "tendency for getting in trouble." I bet you have some stories. Let me guess; Jagger and chocolate was involved? How does that sound?
RovingReporter Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 So I'm trying to think of something to write back to the girl who said... [/b]She's the one who loves Jagger, chocolate and says later on in the profile that she has a tendency for getting in trouble. [/b]How does that sound? mentioning PS3 and molecular biology to girls online = 100% chance of sex.
BobSacamento Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 What is your plan when you finally meet these women? ...Please don't say "Be myself"...
Author U1987 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 What is your plan when you finally meet these women? ...Please don't say "Be myself"... What do you mean? Like I said, I'm not lying on my profile or messages, except for where I live. I'm hitting on girls in other cities because I want to become good at writing messages before I risk blowing my first impression on the girls in my area, where I really live. I'm not going to meet these girls ever; I'm gonna see if I can either get phone numbers or ask for dates via email, and if they give me their numbers and say yes, I'm just gonna come clean and say that I don't really live there and that I'm just practicing my profile and message writing skills.
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