Why Are A Lot Of Guys So Wimpy?

[Jeff M Stevens]

Not to down what you're feeling but I think you're putting a head trip on yourself in a lot of ways. I don't know how you're going about meeting them or where you're going but maybe you need to change it up. Take dance classes, take cooking classes, take improv classes.

 

Also, you are saying "women are never attracted to me." Unless you're the elephant man, I doubt that 100% of the women aren't attracted to you. Plus, you might be putting out that "I'm not attractive" vibe right away.

 

You do say your body is "average"-----well do something about it. As long as you are medically able to work out and eat a sensible diet, make your body as good as it possibly can be.

 

Also, try to improve as much as you can. Is your hair in the best shape it can be? Clothes stylish and trendy (no, you don't have to spend a fortune), teeth in the best shape? Nails trimmed? Can you make a woman laugh with an easy personality?

 

Again, I just don't believe that you fail the physical attraction test with 100% of the world's women.

 

Maybe your current attitude/places you look for women/shape your body's in/current sense of humor might be lacking but you can do something about all those.

 

Neither you are I are going to be Brad Pitt in the looks department. There's only 1 Brad Pitt---but we can be the best we can be!

 

The guys that we find are the most successful have confidence and feel that they are good for women. That doesn't always mean the most handsome man in the room.

 

Sure, good looks help but I'm betting you're a lot better looking than you give yourself credit for in the eyes of certain women. You definitely appeal to a percentage of women out there but your attitude is preventing you from seeing that.

 

I think you need to work on being the best YOU can be and you'll then find that you increase your odds. I'm not saying that if you do A, B and C then that means you'll be successful. NO ONE can guarantee that if you follow a formula you'll get the girl.

 

I do know one thing.......dating IS like sales. The better your product, the better your odds are of making the sale.

 

Sounds like you need to work on you, the product to better your odds.

 

NEVER take women personally either. If you get rejected then onto the NEXT one. It's a numbers game. The more you try to sell, the better your odds and each situation is practice for the next one.

 

My radio partner is pretty much an expert. You can get the link to my radio show at the bottom of that article you read. For free you can listen on Fridays live, 7 to 8p EDT and you can call the show and talk to him live.

 

Good luck dude...I hope I'm helping somehow. It is important NOT to give up because you never know when that right girl might pop up and if/when she does, you want to be ready for her by being the BEST you can possibly be.

[musemaj11]

Two of my serious boyfriends came from two-parent families. The other two each had an absent father and an overbearing mother.

 

The ones with overbearing mothers were good to me and adoring, thanks to mean mommy, but ultimately, mommy ran the show. The other ones were ultimately... *******s.

 

Finding someone in the middle, just right, is not easy.

It all starts with the mom.

 

I grew up with my mother brainwashing to be the ultimate gentleman (slave?). It was so much so that I was afraid of girls because I thought I was less than them.

 

Only in the past two years I have slowly started to learn that women are actually less than me and there is really no reason why I should be afraid of them. I had been a fool all this time.

 

I agree that our society is rearing men to think they're less but I do not advocate a position where men become dominant. Human history is sadly filled with that kind of "women are 2nd class citizens" thinking and I don't wish us to go back to that at all

So you prefer women to be the dominant ones? Because in reality its either one or the other, and I honestly would rather have my gender in power.

 

I have lived in three countries and in different continents (Asia & Europe) and there are no other men that are more walked over by women than American men.

 

I wanna go there too; Barcelona specifically at first. We almost did move there a few years ago through a job my husband had but the company changed their mind before they even decided who would be going.

Their economy tanked even worse than where we are now in the states. Reported unemployment was 20% the last time I checked.

 

You know, the contacts we made and met from there didn't come off the way you're suggesting. Are you sure you're not thinking of Central and South America? Other than the bullfighter culture (which Spain is now trying to distance itself from) I didn't pick up on any gender entitlement; no attitude of superiority out of the men when dealing with women and no innate submissiveness out of the women when dealing with men. The matador fellas we met had a macho swagger to them but hell, they face off against bulls! I had a bit of swagger over my first kill too so I can only imagine it presenting more when its over a bull and not a deer!

Everyone else seemed comparable to the dynamics I experience here in the states. And here in the states you will still find people who rely on stupid reasons including what gender they happened to be born as a venue for looking down on others. Urban Spain a pretty modern place. If you're looking for a leg up as a man, you might want to rethink Spain.

Actually I have been to Spain and Italy and in those countries there is still strong presence of gender hierarchy.

 

Of course its not as macho as Latin America, but I dont wanna live in poverty.

 

To me, there is nothing good about living in USA as a man apart from economic point of view.

Edited December 4, 2010 by musemaj11

[sally4sara]

It all starts with the mom.

 

I grew up with my mother brainwashing to be the ultimate gentleman (slave?). It was so much so that I was afraid of girls because I thought I was less than them.

 

That is sad. Where was your father? Do you feel that fathers have less responsibility in shaping their children than mothers do?

 

In cases where the parents stay together or even after there is a divorce, fathers still have the responsibility to be an influential presence in the lives of their children. My first husband and I didn't work out due to his substance abuse, bullying attitude, and philandering. Even then, I always made my son available to him. During an almost year long period of sobriety, I even responded by agreeing to fully halved parenting because I recognized he was being more responsible. We were separated for almost 6 years before I even went through the courts to establish defined custody of my son. And yes, at THAT POINT, I did seek to limit his presence in my son's life. It HAD to be done, he didn't just fall off the wagon again that time so much as he smashed the wagon into a train and blew it up for good measure before diving into a coke tainted whiskey bottle! He was still granted visitation rights despite a long record of DUIs and being an obvious detrimental influence in the life of a child.

 

So even if you feel women have an unfair advantage in gaining primary custody, fathers do still get access to their kids even when you'd expect them to be declared unfit. The mom can be forced to comply if she tries to block it. If you are a product of a single parent household, your father still carries part of the blame for not being a positive influence in your life while your mother was eating at your self esteem.

[somedude81]

Not to down what you're feeling but I think you're putting a head trip on yourself in a lot of ways. I don't know how you're going about meeting them or where you're going but maybe you need to change it up. Take dance classes, take cooking classes, take improv classes.

At my university I take a dance class every semester. My Salsa class has 3 times as many women as men. A decent number are attractive but they all have boyfriends.

 

I have a pretty good since of humor, but I'm funniest when I'm feeling good.

 

The vast majority of women I meet and try to date are classmates. Theoretically speaking, it should work, but it's not for some reason.

Also, you are saying "women are never attracted to me." Unless you're the elephant man, I doubt that 100% of the women aren't attracted to you. Plus, you might be putting out that "I'm not attractive" vibe right away.

I honestly have no idea what is going on. As far as I can tell, women just are not attracted to me. Personally I think I look fine. But obviously that's not good enough.

 

I don't put out any negative vibes, but I doubt I'm putting out any real positive vibes either. It's like I'm just there, and easily forgotten when I leave.

 

You do say your body is "average"-----well do something about it. As long as you are medically able to work out and eat a sensible diet, make your body as good as it possibly can be.

I try to work out 3 times a week. But I haven't been going to the gym this past month and a half as I've just been too depressed to go out.

Also, try to improve as much as you can. Is your hair in the best shape it can be? Clothes stylish and trendy (no, you don't have to spend a fortune), teeth in the best shape? Nails trimmed?

Yup. Physically I think I look cool and clean.

 

Can you make a woman laugh with an easy personality?

I can and do make women laugh, but I'm aware of more situations to capitalize on when I'm feeling better.

 

 

The guys that we find are the most successful have confidence and feel that they are good for women. That doesn't always mean the most handsome man in the room.

Feel that they are good for women? I don't really know what that means.

 

Sure, good looks help but I'm betting you're a lot better looking than you give yourself credit for in the eyes of certain women. You definitely appeal to a percentage of women out there but your attitude is preventing you from seeing that.

I think I'm decent looking but the only people that have ever complimented my looks are my parents and grandparents, so obviously I take that with a grain of salt. For all I know, I could be ugly.

 

I think being short has a big negative impact on how women see me. I know height is important to women, but no girl has ever said that I was too short for her. I'm struggling trying to figure out why I'm not attracting anybody.

 

I do know one thing.......dating IS like sales. The better your product, the better your odds are of making the sale.

 

Sounds like you need to work on you, the product to better your odds.

I fully agree with you, dating is like sales. The problem is that I know there is something wrong with my product but don't know what it is and if I can fix it.

 

NEVER take women personally either. If you get rejected then onto the NEXT one. It's a numbers game. The more you try to sell, the better your odds and each situation is practice for the next one.

Yeah, I've heard that a lot.

 

My problem is that I try to delay getting rejected, trying to get her to know me better and increase the odds of her not rejecting me. But I end up falling for the girls really hard. So when I do get rejected, it's very personal. After about 15 rejections from girls that I really liked and cared for, my self-esteem is pretty much nonexistent.

 

My radio partner is pretty much an expert. You can get the link to my radio show at the bottom of that article you read. For free you can listen on Fridays live, 7 to 8p EDT and you can call the show and talk to him live.

 

Good luck dude...I hope I'm helping somehow. It is important NOT to give up because you never know when that right girl might pop up and if/when she does, you want to be ready for her by being the BEST you can possibly be.

I'll check out the show.

 

As for giving up and meeting the right girl. I think I already met her. She's cute, we get along great and have TONS of common interests and likes. But for whatever reason she doesn't want to date. Once this semester ends we're probably never going to hang out again. I'm going to remember her with sadness for many years and how I failed again to get a girl I liked.

 

I'm already 29 and very close to giving up.

[fishtaco]

Well, those are... rules I guess. The purpose of following those rules is even though you may be desperate, you're trying not to appear like you are.

 

I do whatever. If I feel like it, I'll blow up her phone. If I'm busy, I won't. I don't care because I always try to date a bunch of women at the same time, they can take it or leave it, their choice. And while I'm dating those women, I still go out and meet more and "plant seeds" if you will, but I won't do anything about them until I have the time to. Generally I can actively date 3-4 women, and all the other ones have to remain "seeds".

 

Even if you follow every rule, and had the best performance of your life, did everything everyone on LS told you to, she COULD STILL WALK AWAY. Dating is not you vs. some fixed goal. It's a two people cooperative activity. If the other person doesn't cooperate, there is absolutely nothing you can do. To make things worse, people change their minds all the time.

 

The only rules I go by are passive self protection rules. Such as it's all fun and games until the exclusivity talk. The rules listed by the OP are for the purpose of appearing more suitable (i.e. less wimpy). I call them active rules. They're designed to increase your chances as opposed to protecting you against psychos. Any active rule, I don't care what it is, only applies to a fraction of the women out there. So follow theses rules if you want, or not, you'll just end up with a different slice of the pie. But you're getting pie either way, if you play your game right. It's all personal preference.

[nsearch4u]

if these "rules" help boost the confidence of a normally wimpy man then its for more than appearance. knowledge is a great thing and going in having an idea of what to expect seems half the battle.

[musemaj11]

That is sad. Where was your father? Do you feel that fathers have less responsibility in shaping their children than mothers do?

I have never been close to my dad.

 

So even if you feel women have an unfair advantage in gaining primary custody, fathers do still get access to their kids even when you'd expect them to be declared unfit. The mom can be forced to comply if she tries to block it. If you are a product of a single parent household, your father still carries part of the blame for not being a positive influence in your life while your mother was eating at your self esteem.

Apart from her brainwashing me to put women on a pedestal, my mother was a great mother for me and my sister.

 

The thing is my dad is not the best father and husband. Perhaps thats why my mom did what she did to me because she didnt want me to be like him.

Edited December 5, 2010 by musemaj11

[SincereOnlineGuy]

Some things I've heard/seen:

 

*Calling too often and too soon. Blowing up a woman's phone just because she gave you the # or had 1 date with you.

 

*Telling her that you really want a commitment from someone, on date 1.

 

*Giving her a ton of flowers and candy after only knowing her a week or two.

 

*Asking her after a few dates if she'd be his girlfriend.

 

*Telling her how pretty she is and how he can't believe that she is out with him.

 

*Being at her beck and call for errands and other things just because he likes her.

 

Those are REAL examples from things I've encountered.

 

 

 

You're way off.

 

Those have nothing to do with being "nice guys".

 

Those items, collectively, partially summarize insecurity and stupidity.

[In The Green]

As I said in the other thread, its because their moms taught them to be doormats.

 

If u notice men from macho societies like spanish or middle eastern men, they have no fear of women because they grew up being taught that they r better just because they r males n women r less than them.

 

 

Those are some of the most fearful and insecure men in the world. They are heavily invested in their egos and view any kind of disagreement as a personal slight. Truly secure people don't require lording it over others.

[hearttobreak]

OP, I know where you're coming from, but I think 'wimpy' is an overly harsh word. The word I'd use is 'intense.'

 

What I've noticed with men is that they tend to want to get too serious, too fast. For example, I've been online dating for about 3 weeks now. This is what I've noticed:

 

1. After date one, guys tend to amp up the amount of emails they send to me. For example, I will check my email and see 3-4 emails from them. LONG emails, too. Full of romantic platitudes where they claim to be thinking about me all the time, etc. I will shoot off a couple of sentences and I don't even get a chance to read the rest of my emails before they reply! I imagine them sitting in front of the computer constantly refreshing the page waiting for my response. After ONE date....it's off putting.

 

2. After date two, guys let me know that they're taking down their profile to 'see where we go.' At this point, I tell them I'm not ready to make that decision and they are all, "Well this is what I plan to do. Take your time."

 

3. Date three and suddenly they are throwing the L word around. To their credit, they are not saying "I love you." Instead, it's more of a hint. Like, "I think I'm falling in love with you." Dude, I've only known you 2 weeks! We know NOTHING of substance about each other! Love? No way!

 

4. Date four equals the 'where are we going?' talk. This is the part where they start coming on too strong. I feel like they're really pushing. "Choose me! Pick me! Love me! Marry me! Have my babies! Me!!!!"

 

I'm too terrified to go on date 5.

 

I'm sorry, but after a mere 2 or 3 weeks of meeting someone, I have NO IDEA if we are compatible long term. And I can't take this sort of pressure from guys who want a decision from me quick, quick, QUICK. It's just too freaking intense. What happened to keeping things light and fun and casual and letting feelings just grow naturally from there? What happened to developing as friends and lovers first? I don't get this from a lot of guys. Instead it's like they see you as somewhat normal, somewhat attractive, and therefore want to settle down with you RIGHT NOW THIS VERY SECOND.

 

It's too intense. It's waaaayyy too much pressure!

 

 

 

Hmm... Never did that before. That's pathetic. I did write a couple poems to my last GF, but we were already dating two or three months, talking daily (her choice and her call), and seeing each other three or four days a week.

[sally4sara]

I have never been close to my dad.

 

 

Apart from her brainwashing me to put women on a pedestal, my mother was a great mother for me and my sister.

 

The thing is my dad is not the best father and husband. Perhaps thats why my mom did what she did to me because she didnt want me to be like him.

 

Well then it doesn't start with the mother 100%. Your dad had a hand in the outcome of your life. He chose to be absent and the fallout of that was his contribution. If your mother raised you trying to counteract his example, he had a hand in that as well.

 

It sucks when the hand we are dealt is an immediate handicap, I am familiar with your situation; my father took off too. Took off on his first wife, leaving two kids behind, took off on his second (my mother) left me behind. Took off on his third and left twins behind. There are likely others I don't know about.....

 

But I think of everything, both the rare good and the more common bad that happened as a result of his disappearing act. And then I think, in light of his behavior, that its pretty safe to say that him sticking around likely would have been bad too. No matter the circumstances of our beginning, its still our responsibility to be the best person we can be rather than wallow in our disadvantages and blame them on the people who didn't take off. It wasn't just me that was disadvantaged by my father taking off. My mother had to work from a disadvantage too. If I can see that it made things harder on me to start out as a kid abandoned by my father, then maybe I can see to that it made things harder on my mom to start off her job in parenting alone too.

[sumdude]

I had both parents, they stayed married until death. There was a fair amount of dysfunction in the house when I was little. I'm the youngest of three. My brother is 8 years older and sister 5 years older. There were big nasty fights between my brother and sister, between my sister and my parents. Screaming, name calling, things being thrown, doors broken in and even the occasional body violence. I was almost never a target of any of the violence but did get a fair share of verbal abuse at times from big sister. Mom was pretty critical and controlling. I was afraid a lot. I was too small to have any affect on anything and often felt powerless. Pretty much developed the 'keep your head down and don't say anything that might pi** them off" coping strategy and of course a pretty distorted view of women. On top of that I was pushed a year ahead in public school which put me at a disadvantage with my peers. When you're physically and emotionally behind everyone you end up at the bottom of the pecking order. Particularly around puberty.

 

I haven't pulled anything on the OP list since I was in high school and my early 20's. This is no pity party but even now at 42 I still struggle occasionally to overcome that early programming which did a number on my self esteem.

[hearttobreak]

Well then it doesn't start with the mother 100%. Your dad had a hand in the outcome of your life. He chose to be absent and the fallout of that was his contribution. If your mother raised you trying to counteract his example, he had a hand in that as well.

 

It sucks when the hand we are dealt is an immediate handicap, I am familiar with your situation; my father took off too. Took off on his first wife, leaving two kids behind, took off on his second (my mother) left me behind. Took off on his third and left twins behind. There are likely others I don't know about.....

 

But I think of everything, both the rare good and the more common bad that happened as a result of his disappearing act. And then I think, in light of his behavior, that its pretty safe to say that him sticking around likely would have been bad too. No matter the circumstances of our beginning, its still our responsibility to be the best person we can be rather than wallow in our disadvantages and blame them on the people who didn't take off. It wasn't just me that was disadvantaged by my father taking off. My mother had to work from a disadvantage too. If I can see that it made things harder on me to start out as a kid abandoned by my father, then maybe I can see to that it made things harder on my mom to start off her job in parenting alone too.

 

 

Not really 100% true. My dad was away on tour on and off for years. I rarely saw him from 8 - 9 and again 15 - 18. I never did what you said these guys did. I did one time ask where this relationship was going because I was getting mixed singles from her, and that was two months in and like our 8th or 9th date. We got into a fight two weeks later and it was ended. Not about where it was going, but something else. I do not and never did smother.

[ConstantCraving]

I hate to talk about my fellow men this way and let me qualify this DOES NOT include every guy in the world. There are a lot of guys that have it together.

 

However, in talking to women and in giving advice to guys, I've noticed a disturbing trend.

 

The quintessential "nice guy" is out there in large numbers and he's getting his behind handed to him in the dating scene because he's too wimpy and too happy to be there.

 

Before I get into my observations, I am NOT suggesting that a guy turn nasty. I always tell guys to treat women with respect, affection and romance but unfortunately they do this to such extremes, so early in the relationship, they end up being doormats.

 

Some things I've heard/seen:

 

*Calling too often and too soon. Blowing up a woman's phone just because she gave you the # or had 1 date with you.

 

*Telling her that you really want a commitment from someone, on date 1.

 

*Giving her a ton of flowers and candy after only knowing her a week or two.

 

*Asking her after a few dates if she'd be his girlfriend.

 

*Telling her how pretty she is and how he can't believe that she is out with him.

 

*Being at her beck and call for errands and other things just because he likes her.

 

Those are REAL examples from things I've encountered. My question is why do some men lack the confidence to just date, have fun and just let things happen? Why can't they see that if they treat a woman with respect and laugh a lot with her that he'll end up getting a relationship with her if she really liked him in the first place?

 

And I will say that a lot of these "nice guys" would have ended up with the girl if they just could have learned to back off a little bit and display a little more backbone.

 

A lot of these "nice guys" just need to learn to chill out and remember that if a girl really likes them, they don't need to kiss up to her as many of them do, to an extreme!

 

I would like your observations on what I said and to tell me why you think so many guys think it is the right play to be wimpy like this. Are these guys brainwashed by movies or talk shows that talk about how women just want a nice, sensitive guy? Are they lacking positive male role models that can teach them that being overly nice and overly wimpy is a way to get your lunch handed to you?

 

It just sure seems like there are a lot of guys out there shooting themselves in the foot for no good reason!

 

I look forward to your opinion.

 

There are two schools of thought on this issue.

 

One school of thought says that guys being wimpy is the basic problem.

 

The other school says that wimpiness (aka "niceness") is just overcompensating for deeper problems.

 

I haven't made my mind up who is right on this one!

[ConstantCraving]

Wonderful

 

For whatever reason, I constantly fail womens physical attraction tests. My body's just average and I'm 5'6.

 

So unless I can get women physically attracted to me, I don't have any hope.

 

Got any tips for when women never like you? I did read your 54 tip thing.

 

somedude, if your height is problem, why not go for women alot shorter than yourself?

 

I bet if you asked out women in the 5'0" to 5'2" height range, you'd have good results.

[carhill]

Posters should remember the OP provides relationship advice in a commercial, for-profit format. He's skating the TOS here at LS, and just barely.

 

I've got about 10 years of life experience on him and spent most of it single making all the classic mistakes, the most glaring of which was 'getting to know' women before dating them. That gross error was precisely why I didn't get married until 41. In an environment like LS, that same perspective fills up my PM box, but I'm not looking to date women from LS so it's OK.

 

'Normal' is my exW, having had at least two boyfriends since we separated 18 months ago. She's a typical woman. Anyone reading LS and listening to the women here can see the commonalities. Read the stories of the women who are now married happily and how they met their husbands and how the relationships grew. Few if any were the result of a long, polite, respectful courtship and 'getting to know' them prior.

 

I agree with Jeff about one thing. If a man with a bigger dick or fatter wallet happens along and 'steals' her away, under any circumstance, she was never mine to begin with, even if she was married to me. Further, accepting that and moving on is the healthiest and least wimpy thing to do. Care less.

[irc333]

Yes, I agree, wimpy is the inappropriate adjective to describe that kind of behavior. Simply put, they're pushing the relationship agenda because they know, from long experience, if they don't, some other man, who perhaps has bit more game or a fatter wallet, will and you'll be gone in short order. I know it's hard for women to understand but, for most men, their perception is that women are single for like ten seconds, and that usually happens while they're still married or with someone else.

 

 

Agreed on this with Carhill.....we know women don't waste time, most women are like tarzan, when swinging from vine to vine, they don't let go of the LAST vine until the have a good grip on the vine in front of them.

 

There are women who start relationships with other men, WHILE they're trying to end things with their current steady beau.

 

They usually keep this relationship "Hush-hush" even after the break up, because she doesn't want it to be obvious to her friends she's jumped so quickly into a relationship

 

I think, on average a lot of women cannot wait more than a month or 2 of being single.

 

If a man get's a wiff at a relationship problem with her current man, he's "there for her" until it happens. lol (and a few other men, too.)

 

Though, I'm not much for moving fast myself.....there are some men who do. Some guys are just ready to "pounce" LOL.

 

I agree with Jeff about one thing. If a man with a bigger dick or fatter wallet happens along and 'steals' her away, under any circumstance, she was never mine to begin with, even if she was married to me. Further, accepting that and moving on is the healthiest and least wimpy thing to do. Care less.

 

Agreed, sometimes when I'm out with friends, someone would bring a new female face to the group and , let's say she happened to be closest proximity to me.....and we're conversing...then 2 guys just cut in and try to horn in on the conversation...not that there's anything wrong with it, but some tend to linger TOO long. I would say it was nice talking to her, and go mingle with others...an hour would go by and the same guy(s), would still be talking to the SAME woman (needy guys).

 

I think to myself, "Meh, let them fight over her" I don't like competing, never have, I actually back off, usually...I know I'll bump into them later anyhow.

Edited December 5, 2010 by irc333

[carhill]

The operative perspective, a hard-won perspective, is that such women are merely incompatible. They're not 'bad', they're not wrong, nor are the men who 'pounce'. Think of them as playing a sport you have no interest in. I love racing cars and have no interest in golf. That doesn't mean golfers are shallow, insensitive, self-absorbed morons because they live and breath golf and I'm not interested in it. These women who swing like Jane and start up new 'things' while in their present 'thing' and move quickly and wantonly from relationship to relationship, and the men who pursue them, are dancing their own dance, golfing their own back nine. It can be interesting to watch, and sometimes learn from. Nothing wrong with learning. You can take *aspects* of that dynamic and apply them to *your* relationship/dating style and see if it works for you in meeting and dating women who are compatible with you. Think of it as an alternative performance guide for hot-rodding your people picker. Sometimes, when optimizing at the track, one has to experiment and think outside the box, but I digress

[AverageJoe]

Relevant to the thread.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSq-_NzAps

 

Pay close attention boys.

[sally4sara]

There are women who start relationships with other men, WHILE they're trying to end things with their current steady beau.

 

Had it done to me and seen male friends do it to other women.

 

What is it with this tendency for people to believe that whatever crappy thing someone they dated did to them never happens in reverse?

[AverageJoe]

Had it done to me and seen male friends do it to other women.

 

What is it with this tendency for people to believe that whatever crappy thing someone they dated did to them never happens in reverse?

 

 

The reason for this is, fear. For whatever reason there an sooooo many people that have a fear of being alone. They just cannot function without being in a relationship of some sort. Many people are relationship junkies. Its like meth to them.

 

They really dont even know themselves. They have never spent time with themselves, by themselves, doing things by themselves. Some people just cant live without having someone in their lives, as toxic as it may be. They just yearn for it and must have it. Without ever really knowing who they, themselves, are at all.

[Woggle]

I don't speak for other men but I don't end a relationship unless I have a damn good reason and when that is the case the last thing I want is another relationship.

[Woggle]

Relevant to the thread.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSq-_NzAps

 

Pay close attention boys.

 

I wonder how these women would feel if a man wanted them to play the traditional role. These types almost make me appreciate the old school feminists. I am not talking about the manhating ones like my mother but the ones who meant it when they talked about equality.

[hearttobreak]

Yea, I like how they say they want the man to take control in the bedroom, but when something slips into the wrong hole, they get all upset and stuff.

[AverageJoe]

I wonder how these women would feel if a man wanted them to play the traditional role.

 

That is the irony of it, Woggle. They do.

 

The op used the word wimp, I disagree. The word should be Pussy's.