Don't be over weight

[Gold Pile]

I take it then Polly doesn't want a cracker? Seriously though if all you can manage is to repackage what you've already said, why bother? What you had to say wasn't the least bit informative to anyone who actually functions within society but if it makes you feel any better please continue with your "Fat is bad m'kayyyy, fatties?" fest as it's amusing when people willingly partake of the self-pwnage of identifying themselves as intellectual lightweights (pun intended).

Hello broken, thanks for repeating your thoughts, we could have missed them the 1st few times. May I ask your fitness level? Plenty of posters here are willing to help. (As am I)

[theBrokenMuse]

Hello broken, thanks for repeating your thoughts, we could have missed them the 1st few times.

Yes, I am quite aware of the irony of partially regurgitating my first response to your posting while complaining about you doing the same. However, in all fairness, you had plenty of responses so while you had new information to work with (yet repackaged the old post more or less) I was responding to the same message twice.

 

If you wish to know why I got my panties in a twist for a second time it was this sort of knee-jerk dismissal:

 

"Over simplification isn't possible. It is this simple...don't over eat, and do exercise."

 

For emotional eaters or food addicts you have offered advice that is akin to telling a drunkard who uses alcohol to deal with their emotional issues, "Just don't drink, stupid." That's really unhelpful if not outright naive sounding advice that does not have much thought behind it as it does not stretch beyond touching on the very surface of a what is a multi-faceted problem.

 

This is why I nearly did a facepalm when I saw the same advise respun. It's almost as if you have filtered out anything other than rhetoric when it comes to this conversation.

 

May I ask your fitness level? Plenty of posters here are willing to help. (As am I)

Not all that comfortable turning this into the BrokenMuse show. At least not without a contract and at least a few royalties.... However, if anyone is really interested in helping me out I could always use more vegetarian meal ideas to try out on my kids who are ultra picky eaters.

[EricaH329]

I have a question. Say that person A is obese, and person B is not. They eat the same exact foods, and the same amount of each. Just because person B doesn't physically show it, does it make them more healthy because they are skinny?

 

I don't believe so. I am 103 pounds, and I eat terribly. I eat a lot, and the majority of the time none of it is 'good'. I actually just got done eating a bowl of leftover cake batter (and it was damn good!). Because of my genetics, I don't gain the weight that most others would. I believe I am actually less healthy than some obese people.

 

So, I think the thread title should be, 'Don't be unhealthy' as opposed to 'Don't be over weight'.

 

Just my two cents.

[hART]

Why is it acceptable for a man to be a little overweight, when it is just as unhealthy, as a woman who is just as overweight (5-15 lbs)? and for that matter, why is it okay for a woman to be 10 lbs underweight, often encouraged, but a man who is ten lbs underweight is unacceptable?

 

I say it is proof that women and men aren't as equal as everyone acts like this "free" country pretends they are. People should be any size and be accepted as human beings.

 

The only way I learned, is through a personal trainer/friend offering to go to the gym with me. Sometimes all people need is a gentle push in the right direction, not insults that push them farther away from healthy people. This isn't to say all overweight people need someone to hold their hand, it could be just me. I'm not saying give your overweight cousin a nutrition book or bring your overweight friend to the snotty health club, just saying encouragement works better than insults. There might be a laid back gym, a website you recommend the next time they confide in you they want to lose weight or just saying you will be there for them. Sorry for calling you vain . (geez, I could have gone to the gym instead of this...)

[Yer_Blues]

Thank You Johan,V, et al.

 

Over simplification isn't possible. It is this simple...don't over eat, and do exercise. Do it or live unhealthy and die early.

 

Make excuses (a missing "off switch" ?), and you'll put yourself in an early grave. Simple

 

If you wallow in the thoughtless PC lie that fat is attractive, then your life will be lumbering and shorter.

 

B4 PC...we had 2 fat kids in my school, they heard the uncensored opinions everyone had of the overweight. Nobody wanted to be them, and everyone took pains to be active and not over eat. Now the schools are full of unhealthy kids.

 

Stop the gluttony and sloth, your life will be better, Don't do it because of my blunt post. Do it for you. Don't let the politically correct or the slender haters delude you. Get healthy.

I didn't care about dying early. Pretty close to suicide a few times. I could barely walk around my school and use stairs, let alone contemplate exercise. By the time I was an independent, thinking individual, I was already real deep in fat. I had horrific eating habits and parents who had given up on it. I knew no proper eating habits, and eating less alone never works without exercise. Guess what stigmatizing people and making them second rate citizens ACTUALLY does? Makes them think that they CAN'T do things that other people can do, such as exercise, be fit, be healthy. You can't hate somebody and judge them into changing themselves.

 

You spout off on this political correctness issue as if thats all it is. It's not about a word, or a phrase, it's about social abuse of people, many of whom are not of age. That's what you are encouraging.

 

Things like motivation, "laziness", are all complicated things. It's not cut and dry. Have you ever been over 300 pounds? Get horifically out of shape, have horrible nutrition, horrible body shape, no muscle, and you go just "get off your lazy ass and work it off". You don't wake up on a Tuesday morning and do that. It's quite the ****ing undertaking. With a little proper coaching and guidance, yeah, it really is the only solution. But you don't see any gray area and you don't see what would be helpful to people who are actually in the situation. Imagine doing something so difficult it would be a stressor anticipating it throughout the day that would leave you tired and without any reward.

 

Do you have some magical way of telling what fat people are in the process of bettering themselves? Or what fat people are living healthily? You do realize that the process is extremely long when you are really obese. Even if you succeed and get all of it off, you have horrible amounts of sagging skin, stretch marks, emotional issues leftover... Or is throwing them all into one category and dehumanizing them the universal motivator that any "GUILTY", "SLOTHFUL" person can't help but respond to.

[e.clipse]

When I go to the gym, I have been seeing a guy there who is extremely overweight. His shirts would be a tent for me. I actually wonder where they sell clothes so huge.

 

Not only does he have a really large gut, but he has another one under that where his legs start. Compared to him I zoom through my exercises, quick and light on my feet and pretty strong with plenty of endurance. He lumbers around, threatening to crush the equipment, some of which doesn't fit him. He is relatively strong, but has no fitness whatsoever. I can do 100 times what he can, in less time, and then shrug it off and go on with my day.

 

But I have more respect for him being there than any of the others who are like me. It takes guts to show up and be the obvious odd man out. He suffers and struggles with every exercise. He's there to actually improve his life. For him it's a matter of survival. Most everyone else there, including me, we're there for vanity as much as anything else.

 

ha ha, i was starting to wonder where your post was heading. it was starting to seem uncharacteristic of you.

 

anyway, the posters who are offended by the OP as being overly PC and way too sensitive. truly, while i strongly disagree with many of GP's other posts, this one is factual and honest. i did not interpret it as one intended to put down or offend, but rather inspire people who are overweight to lose weight not for vanity, but for their well-being.

 

be honest: most people who complain about being a bit overweight do so because they don't like the way they look. they say that they are "ugly" and "gross" or whatever other distasteful adjective, but hardly do they ever say, "I hate that I am overweight because I feel that my lack of fitness does not allow me to swim as much as I want without getting tired and out of breath very quickly." no. they mostly say, "I hate that I am overweight because I feel fugly in a bathing suit!"

 

sadly--and much of this can be blamed on the media and society, in general--most people want to lose weight because they want to "look good." they believe that this will make them "feel good," when in reality, "looking good" and "feeling good" are not synonymous; one should want their body to feel good, to feel healthy, not to look good and be unhealthy.

 

the reason why overweight people should lose weight is for the well-being of their health, their lives. unfortunately, people lose sight of that when in front of a mirror.

 

also, while it is true that the "doughnuts and fries" may be somewhat of a generalization, it is not a complete generalization. for example, at present, i weigh more than i did last year. and while i may not be overweight, losing a few pounds and getting into better shape would not hurt me in the slightest. but i haven't been exercising. and i haven't been skipping the doughnuts and fries. this doesn't mean that this is all that i eat, but i do eat more of them than do the people who are thinner or who exercise or a combination thereof.

 

i am being a sloth and gluttonous by choosing to eat those chips while watching TV, all the while not pouring time into any fitness exercise.

 

at some point, we all need to stop being hypersensitive and uber PC to the truth and accept it, as sour as it may sometimes be. and this is coming from someone who is disgustingly sensitive and careful with words.

[Green]

Fat people bother me more then poor people. They often seem to be both poor and fat though.

[Woggle]

I don't judge anybody but I use to be somewhat chubby and after I lost the weight and kept it off I feel so much better and I am all around healthier.

[bentnotbroken]

ha ha, i was starting to wonder where your post was heading. it was starting to seem uncharacteristic of you.

 

anyway, the posters who are offended by the OP as being overly PC and way too sensitive. truly, while i strongly disagree with many of GP's other posts, this one is factual and honest. i did not interpret it as one intended to put down or offend, but rather inspire people who are overweight to lose weight not for vanity, but for their well-being.

 

be honest: most people who complain about being a bit overweight do so because they don't like the way they look. they say that they are "ugly" and "gross" or whatever other distasteful adjective, but hardly do they ever say, "I hate that I am overweight because I feel that my lack of fitness does not allow me to swim as much as I want without getting tired and out of breath very quickly." no. they mostly say, "I hate that I am overweight because I feel fugly in a bathing suit!"

 

sadly--and much of this can be blamed on the media and society, in general--most people want to lose weight because they want to "look good." they believe that this will make them "feel good," when in reality, "looking good" and "feeling good" are not synonymous; one should want their body to feel good, to feel healthy, not to look good and be unhealthy.

 

the reason why overweight people should lose weight is for the well-being of their health, their lives. unfortunately, people lose sight of that when in front of a mirror.

 

also, while it is true that the "doughnuts and fries" may be somewhat of a generalization, it is not a complete generalization. for example, at present, i weigh more than i did last year. and while i may not be overweight, losing a few pounds and getting into better shape would not hurt me in the slightest. but i haven't been exercising. and i haven't been skipping the doughnuts and fries. this doesn't mean that this is all that i eat, but i do eat more of them than do the people who are thinner or who exercise or a combination thereof.

 

i am being a sloth and gluttonous by choosing to eat those chips while watching TV, all the while not pouring time into any fitness exercise.

 

at some point, we all need to stop being hypersensitive and uber PC to the truth and accept it, as sour as it may sometimes be. and this is coming from someone who is disgustingly sensitive and careful with words.

 

 

:lmao:NO one would ever accuse me of being politically correct. So overly...yeah right. The OP is spouting about things he knows jack about. What he quotes as fact are only fact for a % of the overweight population. Not for all. His brand of help is something most of the world could do without.

[e.clipse]

:lmao:NO one would ever accuse me of being politically correct. So overly...yeah right. The OP is spouting about things he knows jack about. What he quotes as fact are only fact for a % of the overweight population. Not for all. His brand of help is something most of the world could do without.

 

of course it is not inclusive of all people who are overweight. exercise alone is surely not enough for people who are morbidly overweight, as their obesity signals to other health problems that need to be addressed.

 

but his OP does apply to some people. many people, in fact, who are overweight. the underlying message is that being in shape should be done for one's well being, not for vanity; aesthetics are secondary.

 

i don't see anything insensitive at all. and given that his OP does, in fact, apply to a good fraction of the overweight people, it is something to consider. as all advice, it is not a one-size fits all type of thing, but those of us who need this reminder can truly benefit.

[theBrokenMuse]

Fat people bother me more then poor people. They often seem to be both poor and fat though.

I'll give you this much Green, at least you have the testicular fortitude to admit that you actually dislike them and aren't posting subtle insults under the guise of 'concern' for faceless individuals like so many folks these days tend to do because of the political correctness nonsense.

 

It's rather annoying to have to take the extra time in order to figure out what camps a person really belongs to with all the doublespeak going on.

[theBrokenMuse]

anyway, the posters who are offended by the OP as being overly PC and way too sensitive. truly, while i strongly disagree with many of GP's other posts, this one is factual and honest.

Political Correctness is the bane of my existence. I think it is stupid and dangerous as it just drives bigots and other assorted characters underground which doesn't decrease their numbers but makes them more difficult to detect.

 

I can't speak for anyone else but it's not that the post 'hurt my feelings'. Hearing the same rhetoric repetitively just gets annoying really quick. Society has already been hammered these notions to death yet people continue to regurgitate these overused, puerile, band-aid mantras as though it's some sort of new message - it isn't. It's like walking around in America's Bible Belt and asking if they've heard of Jesus. Sure, it's factual that if people want to be healthy they have to exercise and eat right but how is repeating that to people who already know that basic level of info (assuming they haven't been living in a cave or deserted island someplace) helpful, especially when peppered with smarmy remarks?

[theBrokenMuse]

been hammered

Ugh! Meant been hammerING. Okay, it's officially bedtime methinks if I am going to start making errors that dumb.

[johan]

It's rather annoying to have to take the extra time in order to figure out what camps a person really belongs to with all the doublespeak going on.

 

And that's extra time you could spend out jogging.

[florence of suburbia]

Must admit I prefer Gold Pile when he's not trying to say anything in particular. He's better at that.

[johan]

Must admit I prefer Gold Pile when he's not trying to say anything in particular. He's better at that.

 

When do you prefer me? When I'm trying to say something or when I'm trying to say nothing in particular?

[johan]

... probably when I'm trying to say nothing in particular. I'm sure that's it. Just like Gold Pile.

[bentnotbroken]

of course it is not inclusive of all people who are overweight. exercise alone is surely not enough for people who are morbidly overweight, as their obesity signals to other health problems that need to be addressed.

 

but his OP does apply to some people. many people, in fact, who are overweight. the underlying message is that being in shape should be done for one's well being, not for vanity; aesthetics are secondary.

 

i don't see anything insensitive at all. and given that his OP does, in fact, apply to a good fraction of the overweight people, it is something to consider. as all advice, it is not a one-size fits all type of thing, but those of us who need this reminder can truly benefit.

 

When one uses the term hating a group of people....I don't give damn what they have to say. The people I love, those nice people who I have had the pleasure of knowing and those who are just walking down the street...don't deserve that from anybody. If you need to be hated on to hear a message be my guest...but IMO his message is a pile of something.

[Gold Pile]

OK, some of the replies here, one in particular, have softened my view. Some folks have a much harder road than others. I tend to focus on the "average, run of the mill" heavy people. They are mobile enough to get fit with a decent effort.

 

Those that are morbidly obese face a more difficult challenge. In the past I would 100% blame them for their condition, now I'll admit to mixed feelings, I'll go so far as to express some sympathy for them. But ultimately everyone has to take the initiative to better themselves. That's not to say it's easy, surely it isn't.

 

Back to the run of the mill heavy people. Of course it's well known to all that it takes exercise and healthy eating to get fit. I'm hardly the first to put that information out there, but my post comes with a sting or two. Perhaps nicer folks provide positive encouragement, I provide negative motivation. Some people need that kick in the butt to get going.

 

In my early adulthood I worked too many hours and ate garbage, I was 25 - 30 pounds overweight. The same knowledge (eat healthy & exercise) was available then, but I wasn't listening. Finally it was a combination of wanting a better life and wanting to thwart those that treated me like I was fat, that made me listen up and get fit. I responded to the negative and to the positive.

 

The PC speakers are doing you a disservice, they motivate you to stay unhealthy. Don't fall into the trap of thinking it's all well & good to be overweight. The road to a better, longer life begins as soon as you start doing the right things. Don't wait till next year, do it now. Paraphrasing (or completely butchering) Winston Churchill....the best way to begin something is to begin. Don't complicate things, it's ultimately very simple.

 

Less anyone think I'm presenting myself as a saint, I'm not, I'm just hoping to have more fit women :love:around to date. And less heavy guys crowding my airline seat.

[Gold Pile]

When one uses the term hating a group of people....I don't give damn what they have to say. The people I love, those nice people who I have had the pleasure of knowing and those who are just walking down the street...don't deserve that from anybody. If you need to be hated on to hear a message be my guest...but IMO his message is a pile of something.

when did I use the term hating?? I'm repulsed at the guy who eats 4 egg Mmuffins while watching videos of under-fed children, but don't hate him.

[hART]

Accepting yourself and loving yourself is important, whether or not it is PC.

Love yourself, then understand to love yourself means to take care of yourself.

By distancing people from yourself and stereotyping them, you may be scaring people away from a lifestyle they need. Granted, if anyone wants to lose weight bad enough, like I did, they would stop caring. I look at anyone who is obese who shows up at the gym as brave (or you can become brave by doing this!), because skinny young people can be judgmental. Working in food service taught me that skinny people don't eat any better than overweight or fat people, they just eat less or exercise more (or have hyperthyroid). It is so silly to sit here and talk about overweight Americans, when world hunger is still an issue.

[Vesna]

Fat people bother me more then poor people. They often seem to be both poor and fat though.

Thank you for putting that observation out there. According to my own observations there are reasons for this correlation.

 

1 - Many people in this demographic don't realise that they can afford to eat more wisely.

2 - There is an underlying mentality that there may not be any food around tomorrow.

3 - Their children are easier to discipline with food, thus keeping them happy.

 

I am sure there are many more. When I was a child I used to wonder why poor people were fat and lived in dirty homes, while the rich were slim and had clean abodes. Ah, such was the blissful ignorance of innocent childhood.

 

This might sound like a horrid generalisation but it is all-pervading.

[bentnotbroken]

Thank you for putting that observation out there. According to my own observations there are reasons for this correlation.

 

1 - Many people in this demographic don't realise that they can afford to eat more wisely.

2 - There is an underlying mentality that there may not be any food around tomorrow.

3 - Their children are easier to discipline with food, thus keeping them happy.

 

I am sure there are many more. When I was a child I used to wonder why poor people were fat and lived in dirty homes, while the rich were slim and had clean abodes. Ah, such was the blissful ignorance of innocent childhood.

 

This might sound like a horrid generalisation but it is all-pervading.

 

 

Might sound like. NO it is the over generalization of somebody who doesn't have a clue about real life or for what people in certain SES actually deal with. And it appears the blissful ignorance you had in childhood you have embraced right into adulthood.

[Template]

when did I use the term hating?? I'm repulsed at the guy who eats 4 egg Mmuffins while watching videos of under-fed children, but don't hate him.

 

So what do you say to people who eats 6 healthy meals a day, and works out regularly, cardio and weight training? There are 1000s of these people physiologically unable to lose weight. How do you, or any of you who feels you have the right, pass judgment on these people you don't even know?

[Gold Pile]

Repeating.... when did I use the term hating?