Need Reply, Freaked Out !!! Does Anyone Believe In Psychics?

[viciouscancer]

i would like to kno if anyone here believes in psychic. i recently went to a recommended psychic with my friend who paid for me to go cause i dont beleive in the stuff. the pychic really made me bug out. she told me things that nobody could of known. she knew about one of my friends who recently died.. she also told me alot about myself, and she said some other stuff to me about a new person who came back into my life, she told me this relationship is going to be hard because she is involved with someone lese which is true. she also someone else who wants to be with me but i dont know about it yet. she even gave me the first letter of the persons name. there is only one girl who i think is extremely attractive like the other one who came back in my life./ she told me about things to worry about and stuff.

 

DOES ANYONE BELIEVE IN THIS STUFF???. IM A TRUE BELIEVER NOW. I SHOULD OF DONE IT BEFORE, I AM NOT THE TYPE TO BELEIVE IN BULL**** LIKE THIS. BUT NOW I AM MORE FREAKED OUT THAN EVER..

 

VICIOUSCANCER

[befuddled11]

I have 2 thoughts on psychics....keep in mind, this is only MY OPINION.

 

1) I think most of them are con-artists. The very vast majority. They make very lucky guesses and they make very generalized statements..that could apply to nearly everyone. Everyone's got someone in their family who's died. Everyone's had a relationship where they were hurt before. Plus....the person who's visiting the psychic, if they want to believe badly enough that this psychic can tell them things, they can twist around what they're being told to fit what they want to believe.

 

Years ago, MANY years ago, I lost my college ring. I was devastated. I came home from work and noticed it wasn't on my finger when I washed my hands. I drove all the way back to work and went through every garbage can (in case it slipped off inside a pair of gloves I'd been wearing) around (talk about gross!). I was beside myself, the ring was irreplacable.

 

Out of sheer stupidity and desperation to find it, party as a joke and partly serious, I called up one of those telephone psychics.

 

I was told that was "somewhere in my bedroom"........so I ripped my bedroom apart, no ring to be found.

 

Wondering if I'd looked hard enough, I decided to call up another one..just to see if I was told the same thing. Nope, #2 psychic told me it ended up in the trash and I needed to go outside to my garbage can and root through it. Hmmm...well geez, such differing "readings".......so either someone is "off" or one or both are full of sh*t.

 

So I call up a 3rd one......just to confirm what quacks they are, to listen to what "other" place my ring surely can be located......this one tells me it's somewhere downstairs in the basement near my cat's litterbox. Uh huh.

 

Where was my ring? Don't ask me how, but it was in my purse! I must have reached inside it to get something and the ring slid off.

 

2) I do believe there are some legitimate psychics........but they're totally of Satan........and yeah, they are right on the money......but I think it's just Satan speaking through someone, trying to get us to turn away from trusting God, and instead, to turn away from God......(the jist of it). Some people end up addicted to seeing psychics. They can't even live their life or make a decision without them. They then end up living their life BASED on what they're told. This isn't how we're supposed to live. Reliance on psychics can really screw people up........because they start to focus so much on what they were told is going to happen, what to be careful of, etc...that they start adjusting their life accordingly, all to their detriment. Just a small example..if a psychic tells you that you're dating someone who's a drug addict (when in fact they're not), or a cheater......you might immediately dump your partner.......when in fact, it's all a crock of crap. Or they might tell you that you're going to get fired from your job.....so you believe them, and you decide you'll just quit, instead of getting fired.......so you do, but in reality, they were full of crap....so you just quit a good job for nothing.

 

Don't put any stock on a psychic. Live your life one day at a time and go with the flow.

[viciouscancer]

I FELT THE SAME WAY. I THOUGHT ALL OF THEM WERE CON ARTIST. THATS WHY I DIDNT PAY FOR IT. AHAHA.. BUT THIS LADY HAS HER OWN STORE, WHERE SHE SELLS BOOKS AND WHICH STUFF. SHE HAS HER BUSSINESS CARD THAT SAYS PYCHIC ADVICER. NOW IF THE POLICE WERE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF A CON ARTIST. SHE DEFINITLY WOULD BE BEHIND BARS. SO SHE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT GET BAD FEEDBACK.

 

VICIOUSCANER

[befuddled11]

"NOW IF THE POLICE WERE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF A CON ARTIST. SHE DEFINITLY WOULD BE BEHIND BARS. SO SHE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT GET BAD FEEDBACK."

 

I disagree. Imagine how many people go to a psychic, only to find out the psychic was full of crap. Do you really think they're going to call up the cops and file a complaint that the psychic they went to was full of crap? I'm sure they'd be too embarassed for getting sucked in and ripped off. Besides, the cops have much bigger fish to fry than some wingnut who hangs up a sign advertising herself as a Psychic Advisor. I could do the very same thing tomorrow.......and I could take people's money while I sit there and make up reams of BS......telling them things that would apply to most anyone:

 

-you have someone in your family who has a very bad back

-someone close to you died and it took you a long time to get over the loss

-you're going to meet someone within the next 6 months who you will date

-someone around you has a crush on you. they have brown hair.

-within the next year you're going to receive money

 

bla bla bla. 99% of them are full of horse poop. and the other 1%, yeah, they've got info for ya....but let's just say it doesn't come from God.

[dyermaker]

Commercial psychics are for entertainment purposes. They're specifically trained in being just correct/applicable enough to keep you paying.

 

I hardly believe those with the gift of unexplainable premonition are minions of Satan. Calling people such is a bigotous tactic employed for centuries to condemn those whom we don't understand.

[befuddled11]

"I hardly believe those with the gift of unexplainable premonition are minions of Satan. Calling people such is a bigotous tactic employed for centuries to condemn those whom we don't understand."

 

I believe only, that God is "all knowing." Though I believe that Satan is all-knowing, too.

 

The bible is pretty clear on the Occult and fortunetellers and the like. It's playing with fire. And no, don't ask me quote the scriptures because I don't know the bible off by heart.

 

What I believe is not at all related to 'bigotous tactics employed for centuries to condemn those whom we don't understand." I believe what I believe because I believe it There's lots of good Christian books out there on psychics, mediums, clairvoyants, the occult, and the kind of dangerous territory a person is getting into when getting involved in it. Just my beliefs, from the reading I've done and what I feel in my heart.

[dyermaker]

If both God and Satan are all-knowing, how are you sure that psychics are acting on behalf of Satan, and not merely using a gift that God gave them? Joseph predicted the future for Pharaoh, surely God doesn't hide the future from all of his people.

 

I'm not criticizing your religious beliefs, just asking for insight towards my understanding of them.

[carla]

IMO I do belief that some people have psychic ability and yes there are alot that think they do. And no they are not devil worshippers unless you are in Hiati were VooDoo runs rampant. Alot are of Pagan belief. A Pagan is someone that doesn't not belief in J.C. therefore the Christians condemed all Pagan believers to be devil worshippers. That would also include Native Americans. Anyway I won't get into a major relgious debate.

 

I don't know what kind of reading you recieved but the thing that I am most knowledgable about is Tarot Cards or Readings. It is unknown when or where tarots cards orginated but , it is thought to have begun Ancient Egypt, China, or possibly India sometime before the 9th century. Each card has a picture which represents a story pertaining to earth and lifes challanges. In a reading the person will pick a set number of cards and the reader will interpret the meaning of the cards and may give an example of how this may fit into your life situations.

 

When it comes to psychic readings I found that most are very accurate with the past, but tend to be abit hazy when it comes to predicting the future.

 

By no means are psychic readings to be the exact way things will turn out. It is just an insight of the possiblities. You are the one in control of your life. Most psychics will tell you that you should only get a reading once in a 6 month period.

Some people do get obsessed with getting their reading done. These are people that are probably to afraid to make there own choices in life.

 

If you really want to know if this psychic is any good, write down in detail what she/he told you, wait to see what happens and refer to this paper in 6 months.

[befuddled11]

Good question, Dyer....

 

I don't believe info from psychics/clairvoyants/mediums, etc comes from God because it's my belief/faith that God wouldn't want us to live our life knowing in advance, what's in store. I believe he wants us to trust in him, day by day....versus knowing in advance what's going to happen and then altering our choices and life based on that. I'm probably not articulating my beliefs very well, maybe it's hard to explain. God wants us to trust in him. There would be much less, or no need to trust in him and have faith if we knew in advance what was to come. If that makes any sense. I believe the psychics and such who really are legit, they get their info from Satan because he wants to do anything he can to lead us away from trusting in God, and leaning more toward trusting only in ourselves and believing that WE are in total control of our lives and destiny...that we don't need God, that all we need are ourselves.

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by carla

And no they are not devil worshippers unless you are in Hiati were VooDoo runs rampant.

Please note that Voodoo is not the worship of Satan.

Alot are of Pagan belief. A Pagan is someone that doesn't not belief in J.C. therefore the Christians condemed all Pagan believers to be devil worshippers. That would also include Native Americans. Anyway I won't get into a major relgious debate.

Also note that, and I'm not trying to correct you, only trying to inform you of something you may not have known, "Pagan" is not a nice term for people, it's more of a condescending Christian word, a way of looking down on people who differ in opinion.

 

 

Originally posted by befuddled11

I believe the psychics and such who really are legit, they get their info from Satan because he wants to do anything he can to lead us away from trusting in God, and leaning more toward trusting only in ourselves and believing that WE are in total control of our lives and destiny...that we don't need God, that all we need are ourselves.

 

Befuddled, I'm intrigued by you. Do you believe that our various prophets have been (somewhat) influenced by Satan? Do you believe that God has discontinued his placating of man's desire for knowledge of the future?

[viciouscancer]

i dont kno what happened. i was mad shocked, she really knew some stuff. she knew my friend was killed instantly, and suddenly. i dont kno, i didnt pay for it, so if it is true, then that is good, but if it isnt than im not worried. but con artist are doing criminal acts, so they would already be caught with bull. shes not going anywhere. its not like she is a gypsy trying to con people and leave the area. all people would need to do is give a tip to the police and it would be taken care of. her and her store have been open since 1989 so she has been there awhile.

 

viciouscancer

[Wolfie]

My mother says she's a psychic, I say she's been a bit lucky. I just find it too much a coincidence that the people who truly believe themselves to be psychic are always the most illogical.

 

Dyer, have you seen Page lately? He's gotten quite fat:

 

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by Wolfie

Dyer, have you seen Page lately?

Of course!

 

Anyways, he's not fat now, he's healthy. Weight gain is typical when coming off drugs like heroin. He was always way too skinny, if you ask me. Honestly, he's in great health, and thank God, since Jonesy and Percy aren't remastering Zeppelin tracks like Pagey does.

[carla]

Also note that, and I'm not trying to correct you, only trying to inform you of something you may not have known, "Pagan" is not a nice term for people, it's more of a condescending Christian word, a way of looking down on people who differ in opinion.

 

Pagism is a group, class or title of relgious gender so to speak ie:Christianity, Judism. Each group has various other branches of religion with different believes.

 

Pagens : Wicca, Druid, Native, Elective, etc. believe in nature, earth, water, fire, and air.

Christians: Catholics, Protestians, Presbyterian, etc. believe in God and his holy son Jesus Christ.

Judism: Orthodox & Non Orthodox: Believe in God and the Old Testament

[dyermaker]

Paganism is most definitley NOT a group.

 

The word comes from the latin paganus, or countryside dweller--it's a term equating to heathen, someone whom the early Christians saw as someone whom they needed to convert, or civilize. I was just pointing out that it's use is often considered offensive, especially if it implies worship of evil.

[carla]

I think that the word Pagan maybe more offensive to Christians then to someone who practises Wicca or so called New Age Relgion.

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by carla

I think that the word Pagan maybe more offensive to Christians then to someone who practises Wicca or so called New Age Relgion.

No, pagan is a Christian word, it's Christians who used the word to condemn religions that they do not understand, or see as a threat to Christianity. A pagan is a heathen, a heathen is an object of conversion, and they would not appreciate being such.

[jenny]

viciouscancer:

 

i am equal parts concerned for your gullibility about a. psychics and b. the capacity of the police to stop con artists.

 

but let's entertain the possibility, ok? say this psychic is accurate, for whatever reason. who cares? i mean, what difference does it make? she can make some inductive guesses about your life and your needs, but that does not qualify her to tell you what to do in the future.

 

let's entertain the possibility further. let's say she *can* see into the future. if she really has this amazing talent, why is she pulling a day job as a psychic and doing readings for free? why has she not used this talent to signifigantly improve her own lot in life? is this someone you *really* want to take life, love, and career advice from? or, if she is more selfless, why has she not used this talent to improve mankind and avert diaster, even on a microcosmic level? but i digress.

 

i am not saying she is a con artist. i am saying she serves an entertaining purpose that can waste money. i believe that many psychics serve as substitutes for good friends and support networks, as well as a connection to spirituality. there are free, non commercial, and deeper ways to get any of these kinds of human/divine interactions.

 

psychics promise security. they promise a place to talk where your life is the most interesting topic. i think, at the heart of all this, you are lonely and concerned about your friends and girls. i feel for you .

[carla]

OK lets call a truce. Lets agree to disagree. Friends?

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by carla

OK lets call a truce. Lets agree to disagree. Friends?

always

[carla]

Thanks

[moimeme]

Paganism refers to a very broad set of religious beliefs and practices which are characterized by polytheism and less commonly animism

 

The term is sometimes used by Christians as a pejorative term to indicate a person who doesn't believe in Christianity.

http://www.wikipedia.com

 

Religious sense is often said to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908. Paganism is attested from 1433. http://www.etymonline.com/p1etym.htm

 

 

http://www.paganfed.demon.co.uk/

 

http://www.paganlibrary.com/

 

http://www.paganpride.org/

 

http://www.paganpath.com/cgi-bin/wit/ikonboard.cgi

[look forward]

befuddled11 - I hear what your saying but i find it very hard to believe that psychics/clairvoyants/mediums or whatever they want to be called get their information through Satan.. I have always viewed them as entertaining nothing to live your life by but sometimes I am intrigued by what they tell me..

 

I have always sensed stuff around me it never scared me its almost comforting and I find that I sense it strongly when I am on my own and away from home.. once when I was on holiday with a girlfriend of mine who has the gift of seeing things saw an old woman on my bed while I was sleeping.. It seems its this old lady that I always sense.. anyway my point is only I know about this lady and at times I would find myself just saying hello to her when I sensed her around..

 

I went to see a clairvoyant with my friends and she just started saying stuff like she likes it when you speak to her and is glad that you are aware that she is with you.. there was no drama to it just that.. she told me loads of other things that only I could have known.. I later found out this woman was my great great grandmother she wasn't evil in life so I doubt very much she was in death and I don't see how her being around me is anything negative..let alone Satan driven..or trying to turn me against God...

 

We all know there are fakes out there but some aren't and just because its difficult to comprehend how they know what they know doesn't mean its evil...

[Spastic_Gramps]

I think ya'll are making this issue out to be a wee bit more complicated than it is. Psychics are like fortune cookies, FOR ENTARTAINMENT purposes only. Psychics run a business, they have to have some sort of business license to collect money from the public or at leat the legitimate ones do. I'm willing to bet my house and car that the words "for entartainment purposeds only'" occur somewhere in their paperwork, just like it does on the old TV adds. Liabilty issues. Anyway reading Satan into a fortune teller is like reading Satan into a fortune cookie, a bit ridiculous. Pyschics just apply gross generalizations to people depending how they read them. They do this to put food on the table (albiet in a different way and mindset than the norm), not to be spawn's of Satan. Come on.

[YssaBoo]

If psychics are not to be trusted,than why do alot of police departments use them to locate missing persons when they are at the end of all leads?I have heard of this happening alot but need to go on the internet to search.I went to one last Friday to find out about getting on with my life.She told me things and words that my bf used that no one would ever know.She knew about his troubled past and his homelife and that I had just had a break up with him without me even telling her that info.She said things that just had me in awe. At the beginning of the session she told me it was a gift from God and to continue to go to church and pray for him as he struggled with his life. She told me he will be in my life and to give him time. She also said he was going to be in the medical field and he plans on being a psychiatrist,that really scared me. So I think everbody has a different opinion and other people swear by them.I believe their gift is from God.