Cheap Boyfriend, But Never Cheap Girlfriend?

[waynebrady]

I see, this starts out with your privileged position that a man must spend money on you to prove himself to you, and when called out on it, you just start playing the "hate card" and ranting about how men who don't agree with you aren't real men and just need to stop "whinning" (sic).

 

Perfect, and straight from the playbook.

 

You got nothin'.

 

Pretty much the truth right there. What I find even more annoying is that she plays the "hate card" when in all of her posts she villify's men and makes it obvious that she hates men.

[musemaj11]

Or are you going to blame it on women again? And you wonder why we are so guarded and don't react so well to cold approaches? Must have something to do with how women were burned during the dark ages because they rejected the advances of the men who accused the women of being witches .

What the hell are you talking about? This is 2011, not 1500.

 

You need to get out of your house more.

[sanskrit]

Since you seem to keep harping on this in several threads...

 

My Ancestors would have starved to death if they hadn't decided to build boats and sail from Scandinavia to Europe.

 

That is actually not the case, there were sufficient natural resources in Scandinavia, the Vikings were just too dumb, unruly and technologically backwards to harvest them and structure their society in a peaceful way, but it's quite hilarious that you attempt to justify all the brutal rapine and pillaging that "your people" did by claiming they were forced to for survival. Keep on feeling "proud" of that.

 

Even once they had achieved land in England, did they stop raping and stealing from others? Of course not, it was their nature to rape and steal, so they kept it up. Eventually the English culture and feudalism, a much more technologically advanced, humane (though of course not perfect), and honest way of life, thoroughly absorbed "your people." What is certain is that without enlightened Anglo-Saxon culture, the North culture would have imploded and become completely extinct out of sheer incompetence.

 

Even the worst slavers did not commit the kinds of atrocities the Vikings did, and when the tide began to turn, the Viking leaders turncoated on their own people and adopted English religion and culture wholesale out of desire for greed and title, or rather are they still worshipping Thor up there? I think not.

 

And as far as being "great warriors" go, when they weren't slaughtering, raping and enslaving unaware innocents and actually faced Anglo Saxon armies, the battles were usually equal. They did well in the beginning because the Anglo Saxons weren't prepared, nor had any idea that such vile savages existed in striking distance and were capable of such crimes against humanity. Google Alfred the Great and tell me I'm wrong. :lmao:

[waynebrady]

I don't vilify men. I simply display a distate for little boys. That means I don't hate men because you lot do not represent the true men out there, thank the good lord!

 

I'd a celibate for life if little boys like you were the " men" out there.

 

Yeah and I display a distaste for women like you who think men has to prove themselves by spending money on you. That doesn't mean I hate women because I know(or hope) that not all women are man-hating feminists such as yourself.

[PJKino]

Kino, look, it's like this. Is a rifle going to fire without any aid from a person? No. Why is that? Because it's not possible. You're following me here?

 

Read this very carefully. You have no experience with women. You say that most women are shallow. Why is that? Because you've seen women picking other men? Do you know what the word prefence means?

 

Imagine that you have an apple and an orange. You like both fruits. But at that time you can only pick one. Which fruit are you going to pick?

 

Maybe your favorite fruit? Yes? You're following me?

 

Maybe and just maybe, some women like blond men. Don't know your hair colour but stay with me. Therefore the woman went after the guy with the blond hair.

 

Some women like dark skinned man. Logic says that the woman with such a taste will go out with the man with the dark skin. If she's among many men with dark skin, she will choose the man based on her other preferences.

 

Understood?

 

Now, you can't speak of women because you have no IDEA of how women are inside a relationship. You also can't speak of women because you seem to be afraid of us. We aren't aliens from outer space. We women get rejected too, we are dumped everyday and we have issues with the opposite sex.

 

But we DO NOT hate the other gender. Unlike you folks.

 

 

How do you expect a woman to want to go out with you when you don't talk to a woman? Which world is this where men sit waiting to get picked up by women?

 

Are you aware that women are attracted to courage, confidence and to men who make something out of their lives instead of acting like juveniles?

 

Do you understand the concept of working to get what you want?

 

Are you going to be rejected? Probably. Most men are rejected by most women. Pay attention to this:

 

We women look for our ideal partner. He might be tall, he might be short. Heck, he even might be blind. It doesn't matter. Putting aside a few males, most males don't have what it takes to attract most women.

 

Since most women marry and reproduce average men, we can rest assured that women aren't shallow. Can you understand that? That women would rather stay single than having a husband we aren't attracted to?

 

Yes, some women are shallow. Yes, some women use men. That's part of life.

 

What you have to do to have a girlfriend?

 

Stop hating on women. Stop being bitter. You don't think it is but let me assure you that we can tell when a man hates women or is bitter.

 

Body language/micro facial expressions.

 

Do you understand what I've been saying?

 

To attract a woman you lot don't have to be taller than Michael Jordan. You don't have to look like Hyden Christensen.

 

What you have to do is to let go of the bitterness and the hatred for women and to change yourself in whatever way is necessary to attract a woman.

 

Look, my ancestors would have died out if we hadn't decided to build boats and raid Europe. Why do you think the Vikings were so feared, so fearless and so skilled in battle?

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Because need is the mother of invention.

 

Understood?

 

Class is over.

 

Why do you keep painting everyone as HATING women just becasue we dont believe in the bs you say?

 

Just because i cant attract women doesnt mean i hate them

[AD1980]

And why is it so difficult for you guys to understand that most guys approaching us in the street aren't interested in our good grades or how we feel about winter, they're there because they want to have sex.

 

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Of course if somebody approaches you at first its gonna be because they like whats on the outside because thats what we see first.

 

Were sory we cant tell how great you are as a human being before talking to you..

 

Attraction starts by liking what you see on the outside then engaging in conversation to see if you also like the inside to take the next step

[sanskrit]

This is another funny side of sexually frustrated chumps; you always have to try and make yourself appear brigther than the women.

 

Must be some sort of sick attempt at overcompensation for the fact that you ain't getting any, or at least as much as the good looking men you lot keep hating.

 

Sorry, dear, it's simple historical fact, not a matter of being smarter than anyone, just plain ole facts about the Vikings. There are many things in my ethnic heritage that I'm not particularly proud of, but then again, I'm not the one making repeated references to my ethnic heritage based on half-truths and untruths.

 

Nice try at calling me a frustrated chump. I do in fact have my share of problems in life, getting women when I want them, though, is certainly not one of them.

[waynebrady]

And why is it so difficult for you guys to understand that most guys approaching us in the street aren't interested in our good grades or how we feel about winter, they're there because they want to have sex.

 

Get it? I am not a prostitute. I am not there to provide sex for "attention". I am interested in real men and while a few real men approach a woman and are actually interested in her, the vast majority of men are only interested in banging this or that particular woman. Understood?

 

That's why we're guarded. And if you haven't noticed, many males can't get past rejection. I have been called a skank when I reffused the advances of men. Can you empathize? No? Then don't speak of the "times".

 

Well then I'm not a part of the so called vast majority of all men who only want to "pump and dump" women. I would never approach a woman just for sex. Way I see it, men are always up to have sex women rarely want it... So it's better to let the woman make it clear when she wants it.

[waynebrady]

Again, I don't keep painting everyone; I keep painting only the men who hate women and the little boys like yourself, incapable of approaching a woman because you fear rejection.

 

I can't stand women who complain, how much better do you think my opinions about men who whine, are?

 

I've said this and I'll tell you this again: do you like women to be beautiful?

 

We like men to be REAL MEN. Level of maturity, courage, ambition and goals; REAL MEN.

 

Not whinners and complainers and women - haters.

 

And you constantly in all your posts whine and complain about how men are only looking to pump and dump women, and that men need to prove themselves and so on... And you call EVERYBODY who disagrees with you a woman hater. Please give me a ****in break. I don't hate women I simply just disagree with your constant bull**** If you think that makes me a woman hater, then so be it. You are impossible to discuss with because you are so ignorant. You seem ALOT more hateful towards men in your posts then ANY man has seemed hateful against women in this entire thread.

 

I'll say it again. Everybody who disgarees with you is by your logic a whiney boy who hates women. So there's no point in even continuing this discussion because thats pretty much all you have to say.

[waynebrady]

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So Mr. Expert, when are we going to move to the Moon? You've probably seen a few pictures of the moon. Maybe you even have a telescope.

 

So I'm going to assume you're an expert on the moon.

 

 

Women have sexual urges. Some women want sex all the time. What do you think a relationship is? Women are rented whores? We put out for the boyfriend/husband because he gives us "the male attention that we need so much" or money?

 

Look, just because women don't get turned on by you, doesn't mean all women are sexually frigid. Maybe your attitude is what turns women off.

 

I've seen obese men getting attractive women all hot bothered so the way you treat the woman might have something to do with women staying the hell away from you?

 

 

And again you come with some irrelevant bull**** that has nothing to do with what I said. Oh that's right I'm just a whiney boy who hates women and has a lousy attitude? :rolleyes: Give me a ****in break. By the looks if it, I like women ALOT more than you like men.

[SteveC80]

The pump and dump wouldnt happen if women didnt sleep with a guy early in hopes she can get a man out of her league to comitt to her by doing it

 

I dont know how many plain women i slept with and made intentions clear i had no interest in a rlationship and after i broke it off they became hostile and made me out to be a monster becasue they thought they could trap me through sex

[musemaj11]

Lol, Akherousia is getting funnier by the post.

 

Anyone but her can see that she has more hatred issue than any man on this planet. :laugh:

[sanskrit]

Sorry cupcake, but I already got your number.

 

You got nothing but hot air, and can't even keep your argument consistent. Earlier in the thread, you said you didn't need money from men, but expected it in the process of them proving themselves to you because women's "vulnerabilities" are such that women somehow deserve men's money. Absurd. Now you are flailing around trying to backtrack, still absurd and funny to boot, while playing every feminist insult card in the book. You... got... no-thing.

 

Keep on living in a Wagner parody and spouting off about the great Vikings and your blond hair.

[waynebrady]

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So Mr. Expert, when are we going to move to the Moon? You've probably seen a few pictures of the moon. Maybe you even have a telescope.

 

So I'm going to assume you're an expert on the moon.

 

 

Women have sexual urges. Some women want sex all the time. What do you think a relationship is? Women are rented whores? We put out for the boyfriend/husband because he gives us "the male attention that we need so much" or money?

 

Look, just because women don't get turned on by you, doesn't mean all women are sexually frigid. Maybe your attitude is what turns women off.

 

I've seen obese men getting attractive women all hot bothered so the way you treat the woman might have something to do with women staying the hell away from you?

 

 

I made it quite clear that I'm not one of those men who just wants to pump and dump women and only want sex. Infact I think I made it clear that I respect women and I respect the fact that women do not want sex very often, and you somehow turn that into me being a woman hater again Men are damned if they do and damned if they don't by your logic.

[waynebrady]

1) I said that the vasty majority of men who approach a woman does it for sex only.

 

With that particular woman. The woman who was approached. By that man. At that time. Under those conditions.

 

2) How many times do I have to say that I don't hate men.

 

I love men. Real men. Men who act like men. Men who respect women. Men who work to get what they want(Not talking about creepy PUAs).

 

I don't like little boys. I don't like men who seem to consider themselves some sort of spiritual student of Freud, with the "most women are shallow. How do I know this? Mary Sue rejected me. Most women are skanks. How do I know this? I've seen a a couple of women making out with a man."

 

"Most women are gold - diggers. How do I know this? Look at Donald Trump and his wife."

 

This is what I dislike. This is what I am so put off; by little boys, by women - haters and by "experts" on women.

 

Next thing I know, you guys are going to say a woman hates her own race if you ever see her go out with an Asian man or a black man .

 

I have never said that most women are shallow.

 

I have never said that most women are skanks.

 

I have never said that most women are gold diggers.

 

Yet you call me a woman hater. You obviously haven't read any of my posts. So stop putting me with the "you guys". I have never said any of that bull**** you are talking about.

[waynebrady]

2) How many times do I have to say that I don't hate men.

 

As many times as I have to say I don't hate women.

[112233]

Women are what they are and men are what we are, ignore modern societies unnatural ideas and be comfortable with your nature. Just do no harm.

[musemaj11]

Women are what they are and men are what we are, ignore modern societies unnatural ideas and be comfortable with your nature. Just do no harm.

Ya sometimes as much as I would like to think that women are equal to men, in reality I just realize we are not really.

[Els]

Ya sometimes as much as I would like to think that women are equal to men, in reality I just realize we are not really.

 

Oh come on. Passive aggressive much? Men and women are equal. Doesn't mean that they're not different.

 

Do you like to see women in high heels? Would you wear high heels? No? Why not, since you believe that both genders must be the same to be equal?

 

How about giving birth? Do you agree with the pain-transmission machines that will give the father 50% of the pain endured during childbirth? Why not, since everything must be divided 50/50 between the two?

 

Would you want a woman who doesn't spend any money on hairstyling, makeup, skincare products, and sexy lingerie? How much money do you spend on all of that? Shouldn't you be okay with such a woman, then, because pure 'equality' denotes having equivalent social expectations?

 

Is there a chance you would take a woman's last name when you marry? Why not?

[somedude81]

We want attention from the right men. The men we are attracted to. The men we're attracted to varies from women women. We welcome and are flattered by the attention of the men we want, but that's it.

 

We're not interested in getting attention from every man. Some of us do but those have issues.

 

Money? We have our own money. We are simply interested in who is willing to invest money on us because there are so many players and PUA's trying to pick us up to pump and dump.

 

A man who is really interested in us(and that's the man we want) is going to invest money, this has nothing to do with "prostitution" but with how Mankind evolved; men provide, women supply.

You just confirmed everything in my post

 

BTW, I'm assuming that the woman is in a relationship with "the right man, whom she is attracted to."

 

As for money, not even 50 years ago did women have money. Women have depended on men for thousands of years. Yes things are changing now and this is the first age that women can be self-sufficient. Even then, it's hard to live on one income in certain parts of the world.

 

Men invest money and attention into their partners because they want sex in return. Few men would invest or even go through the beginning stages if they wouldn't get sex. Sadly, some men are with partners who deny sex, and those men stick around anyways.

[somedude81]

I can tell you spent a lot of time on your post, and had many valid points...but

 

If there was no sex, there'd be no interest from the man?

Yes, that is correct.

 

Men expect sex from their wives, girlfriends, mistresses, dates etc.

 

If on the first date, the woman told the man, "We are never going to have sex." Do you think he would stick around?

 

The key difference between a prostitute and a partner (wife/girlfriend) that a man is sleeping with, is that the prostitute provides just sex.

 

Which is something that men do not experience when they have "to pay" their girlfriends with "gifts and free male attention" in exchange for "sex."

Virtually all men, pay their girlfriends.

 

Would you sleep with, or even have a boyfriend that hardly ever paid you any attention and never spent money on you?

 

Sex is just sex. it means nothing if there no deep connection. What you've basically said is that men pay for sex not for the time they spend with the women.

Exactly, sex is just sex by itself. The time spent and the intimacy, companionship received, etc, is the reason why men have relationships with women. That does not mean that sex is not necessary.

 

I would love to meet a happy man under 60, who's in a serious relationshp with a woman who won't have sex with him, and he's not getting any on the side.

[kdark]

Well then, you've just proven to yourself why average guys don't have as much "luck" as good looking men have with women; since so many of you guys have this mentality that no sex = there is no relationship, women are going to have sex with good looking men.

 

Why? Because good looking men, due to their facility at getting sex, understand that sex is much more than an exchange of time and dedication for mere physical interaction of genital organs(aka, your definition of a relationship is nothing more than sex for hire).

 

Really, in 20 years you'll see things in a different perspective. From a mature balcony. Right now you are too young(18 - 20 years old, I assume) to have any experience with women. And to know how real men see relationships. Typical high school/college boy mentality .

Guys, stop feeding the troll.

[Woggle]

This might surprise you but I actually agree with the gist of what she is saying. Of course it completely contradicts everything she said in another thread but I agree with the basic gist of it. Sex does matter and if that is the only thing a man wants he can pay for it but to most do want something deeper.

[somedude81]

Akherousia,

 

Bringing in a males looks as part of your argument basically destroys all credibility that you had. In addition, you ignored every point that I made. I can see that there is no point in furthering this discussion.

[Woggle]

As for the subject some women still expect the traditional roles while not wanting to follow them themselves. These types usually show themselves early so stay clear of them. The idea that spending money proves a man will treat a woman well is absurd since some wealthy men use this tactic to lure women in and then control them. I spend money a woman once she proves she is worth it. I have no issue splurging on my wife because she would do the same for me and she deserves it. She knows she is special because I married her after swearing on loved one's lives that I would never walk down the aisle again.