Why are Females so Obsessed w/ Finding THE ONE?

[AverageJoe]

Women need men. Let me see that. More and more women are marrying later, if at all. Most women have a job, great education and a lovely home. Most women can get male attention just by blinking an eye.

 

Yeah, some women do have a job, but a we all know generally speaking men make more money.

Most women have access to sex and most women have their own money, as I've said before. The women you've met are insecure little school girls(they might be older, but their mind didn't grow). I have never had a girlfriend of mine manipulate a man to pay her drinks.

Interesting theory, but you have no idea what type of girls I go out with. If I want to go out with an insecure women with no self asteem, then great. Easy to bed. I get what I want, what do I care?

What do you take us for? Prostitutes? Maybe stop meeting women in nightclubs? .

Marriage in many cases is simply a legalized form of prostitution.

 

Most women don't need compliments. They're enjoyable but we are secure in our own sexuality, our beauty and we know that we can choose and pick. We select. You display. We don't put out? You starve. You whine.

Dont put out, thats fine. There is always someone else around the corner willing to do the heavy lifting.

 

 

"Hot chicks", not all all hot chicks use men for money. I mean, really, how come Israel still has women? Shouldn't the women be running away with the American Forces? Or foreign women are special? .

Hot chicks get men with money, the fat and fuglys are for those that dont have money.

I would say, stop venturing into women used to being pumped and dumped and you will find a quality woman. It's much harder for a woman to find a quality man because looks alone do not make a quality man when the woman is looking for something more than just casual.

I am not looking for a quality women, or even a relationship.

 

You might be the exception to the rule, but that does not make the rule any less valid.

[dreamingoftigers]

Why would I care about what the father thinks of the child? Is the father made of good genetic stock? if so, I couldn't care less about his interest in the child. I have more than enough money to raise the child.

 

It is a feminist fantasy though to remove men completely from the family structure. They consider fathers to be disposable extras and resent the fact that currently they need sperm.

 

Why would I want to put up with a man? Every day? Human beings weren't made to stay together until they die and it'd be boring to have sex with the same guy until I died. I have no patience for relationships either. Fantasy? Call it that .

 

I call it attachment disorder.

[Yamaha]

OMG. What a depressing thread.......

 

I think we all just need a group hug!!!!:bunny:

[AverageJoe]

/me fondles Yamaha

[Woggle]

OMG. What a depressing thread.......

 

I think we all just need a group hug!!!!:bunny:

 

I would rather this discussion be out in the opening.

[Eclypse]

Isn't everyone looking for the one? I mean that's the point of relationships right? To see if the person is right for you settle down and have kids with.

 

Do women need men? I think they need men about as much as men need women. I love my woman very much and I'm much happier with her than I was without her. She completes me, and I complete her. Her parts fit my parts.

[waynebrady]

Sweden women have done a very good job at raising young men. Do you have a problem with how things are working in Sweden?

 

You think it's a good that theres a whole country where basicly all women hate men as much as you do? Reading your posts makes me wonder why you even hang around in a dating forum when you have oviously made it very clear that you have no intrest in men and would be just as happy alone.

[waynebrady]

Isn't everyone looking for the one? I mean that's the point of relationships right? To see if the person is right for you settle down and have kids with.

 

Do women need men? I think they need men about as much as men need women. I love my woman very much and I'm much happier with her than I was without her. She completes me, and I complete her. Her parts fit my parts.

 

Yeah I think most men look for the one. Women judgin by what they say and how they behave couldn't care less about finding the one. Women would be just as happy alone if not even more happier alone than with a man, they have made that clear many times.

[waynebrady]

Utopia? No need for that. I'm enjoying the life of a single young woman. I don't have to deal with a man's ever growing belly, I don't have to deal with a man's fragile ego and the list goes on. There is no need for an island.

 

Ok. Since you have no intrest in men what so ever and would rather be single than with a man, why are you on a forum about dating and relationships?

[sanskrit]

Sperm has been artificially created.

 

What do I need a husband/boyfriend for?

 

What do you have to offer?

 

I was involved in a super secret government experiment back in the 80s. Under the influence of high doses of psychotropic drugs, we subjects were brainwashed into having sex with various types of household appliances in hope of generating offspring with mechanical sperm capable of creating a race of supersoldiers. They convinced me that the air conditioner I was encouraged to breed with in the "mating chamber" was actually Cher.

 

"Cher" and I, after countless mating sessions (and permanent damage to my sexual equipment), did in fact reproduce offspring, but due to various factors, the best they could accomplish from the gametes of the "children" was to breed a new generation of super mops, now being sold to the public under the brand name "Swiffer." A tear comes to my eye whenever I see one of the commercials, as these are all grandchildren of mine being forced to suck up dirt from kitchen floors who will never have any kind of meaningful relationship with me, their grandfather.

 

So if you want some of these mechanical sperm, you may not realize the trials and tribulations, the human and machine suffering, that has been involved in creating them, and after a long and extremely painful pregnancy, may deliver a superhuman child, or may deliver a towel rack or personal space heater. Though these types of children may seem attractive due to their low maintenance nature, they will make few friends and will will likely be bullied in school.

 

Think about these types of things before going down to the mechanical sperm route, I implore you.

 

As far as what men have to offer, nothing really, but we make really cool hood ornaments.

[sanskrit]

Beethoven, Mozart, Tesla, Einstein, Goethe, John Keats

 

I guess men really do have something to offer, then, right?

 

Also bet several of them would be bemoaning their troubles with the opposite sex growing up, maybe even on an outlet like this forum. Would that make them whiny and not worth your time?

 

Point is, you don't know who people are by their posts on the internet alone, at least not enough to become scornful of them.

[sanskrit]

Do you have any idea of how many young men are going after 16 year old girls because of the low self - esteem present in so many young women?

 

Myth. Have known thousands of men in life, none of whom, not one, is pursuing women under the age of consent. Political interests generate tons of political capital by vilifying men and focusing only on the lowest common denominator. A fearful voter who has been convinced she is a "victim" is the politician's best friend.

 

Do you know how many women are raped, every minute, everywhere?

 

Myth. Not nearly as many as political special interests lead us to believe.

 

Do you know how many women are with men they are afraid of, but if they'd leave the man their children would suffer?

 

Myth. Women are responsible for as much spousal domestic violence as men, and more domestic violence against children. Haven't seen any news stories of men drowning their children lately or throwing their babies in dumpsters...

 

Do you know how many women suffer years of physical abuse because they have nowhere to go or because they have low self - esteem?

 

Probably as many as men who suffer physical and emotional abuse due to the same reason.

 

Do you know how many men are just looking to pump and dump a woman?

 

Myth. Not many I know, other than low rap culture thugs on television and PUAs selling their wares. Even the protagonist of "The Game" was looking for a girlfriend, as are most of the PUA consumers.

 

Do you know how many men don't care about their child let alone paying child support?

 

Do you know how many men have been jailed due to losing their jobs in the recession and being unable to have their support modified? Do you know how many women in suburban and rural areas across the country are involved in the single motherhood cottage industry that involves getting knocked up by a succession of dumb yahoos and milking them for support?

 

Do you know how hard it is for a virgin woman to trust her first boyfriend because there are so many users out there, aching to be a woman's first because that's some sort of creepy accomplishment?

 

Myth. Most older adult men avoid virgins because of the bedroom drama and they are lousy in bed. You have been watching too much TV and movies.

 

Do you know how hard it is to be shorter, lighter and weaker than 50% of the people out there, knowing perfectly well that any of those guys could come to you and break your neck?

 

Actually that's a very convincing public safety/policy argument for excluding women from lots of jobs like firefighting and police work. Comfortable with that? or are you one of those "have it all" types?

 

Do you know how many men are dating women until something "better" comes along?

 

Women do most of the divorcing, dumping and "upgrading." Try again.

 

Do you know how many men stay with a woman because they can't find someone else to be interested in them?

 

Probably just as many as women who are still waiting for George Clooney to pull up in their driveways even after years of marriage. There was that popular TV show, though, about single men living in NYC who screwed over endless suitors waiting for Ms. Big to finally come around... erm wait.

 

Do you know how many women were raped during world war I and world war II(without mentioning previous wars), how many women had their sons taken away because men sure have to play with guns?

 

A rape victim is at least still alive unlike a mangled soldier on the battlefield. Women have shown the same zeal for acquisition and war that men have throughout the centuries, they just get to stay at home safe. They certainly don't gripe about enjoying the spoils of war, do they?

 

Do you know how many women are forced to abortion because the man wants to play, but he sure doesn't want pay?

 

No more than men are duped into commitment by women using pregnancy and the power of the law manipulatively.

 

Do you know how many women are infected with HPV because loyalty is a trait that many men don't seem to have.

 

Female cheating is approaching and surpassing male cheating in many modern Western demographics.

 

Do you want me to continue?

 

Sure, go right ahead.

 

Is this hateful? No, only reality.

 

Reality in the way that political campaigns and tabloid news are "reality."

[Woggle]

Maybe all your gfs are too ugly to be able to do that?

 

Men generally only do the drink-buying thing for women that they are attracted to.

 

Some ugly women still get men to pay for their drinks. If men are stupid enough to pay for a woman's drink that is on them. I am done with feeling bad for men who lose all brains when an attractive woman comes along.

[sally4sara]

Generally, I haven't seen men make sacrifices for their families.

Men have always been given the option to be a parent

 

I agree with you that society puts more pressure on women with more "rules" on how to be a good mother.

And I agree with you that society puts less, by comparison, on men.

 

But it can be different with more recognition for the abilities of men who actively seek to remain in a child's life through the courts. We are getting better. I have an ex roomate (single father) who started a support group for men with children going through a custody battle. You wouldn't believe how many men just don't know what rights they have and due to it, don't utilize them. They grew up with the "mom automatically is best" ideals, and its not like there are classes to teach them their rights all over the place. So many of them just give up in a custody battle.

 

In my HS growing up, there was a parenting class offered. If a guy signed up for it the other kids would've ridiculed him. The only guys who ever took it were in there with whatever girl they knocked up and would get ridiculed if he took interest and actually participated.

 

To me, it seems the old school attitudes toward parenting actually screw over men when it come to wanting to be and learn how to be good fathers. Which is awful because Ive seen men derive great pride in being a good father.

 

And some of us know in a most unfortunate way, that not every mother out there should have gotten custody of the kid or at least not full custody. For me? Well my father didn't want any of the kids he helped create. But my mother should have never been a mother to begin with EVER.

 

So I don't agree with you that men have always been given the option to be a parent and take pride in that role. And its why I am a feminist. I feel patriarchy hamstrings men from wanting to learn about how to be a good parent and stands in their way when it a custody battle happens. Its patriarchy that dictates that women are more inclined and better suited to parenting. And the courts hide behind warped feminism to keep the patriarchal standard in place choking men from their chance to be good, proud fathers and placing kids with mothers that sometimes should never have had a kid to begin with.

[musemaj11]

I agree with you that society puts more pressure on women with more "rules" on how to be a good mother.

And I agree with you that society puts less, by comparison, on men.

Traditionally the pressure on men is about being a good provider. It didnt matter if a man had to travel for days and came home only once in a while. As long as he was able to feed his family, then he was a good father.

[sanskrit]

Beethoven's problems and emotional issues are of no concern to me. In fact, his sexual frustation might have boosted his art. I'm not interested in him. I'm interested in what he has inside of him.

 

Unfair sleight on common workers noted then ignored.

 

The point was that for all your decrying of men whining here, you really know nothing about them, they could be Beethovens in other aspects of their lives for all you know.

[sally4sara]

Traditionally the pressure on men is about being a good provider. It didnt matter if a man had to travel for days and came home only once in a while. As long as he was able to feed his family, then he was a good father.

 

Key word there being traditionally. So its what is used against them in courts.

Traditionally is also what had them having a remote relationship with their kids instead of a more hands on emotional bond. The courts still don't value this aspect of a parent's contribution as being something a father can do to be a good parent. They still expect this to be provided by the mother rather than the father. Its lipstick (favor of the mother and calling it feminism) on the pig (patriarchy).

[Woggle]

I agree with you that society puts more pressure on women with more "rules" on how to be a good mother.

And I agree with you that society puts less, by comparison, on men.

 

But it can be different with more recognition for the abilities of men who actively seek to remain in a child's life through the courts. We are getting better. I have an ex roomate (single father) who started a support group for men with children going through a custody battle. You wouldn't believe how many men just don't know what rights they have and due to it, don't utilize them. They grew up with the "mom automatically is best" ideals, and its not like there are classes to teach them their rights all over the place. So many of them just give up in a custody battle.

 

In my HS growing up, there was a parenting class offered. If a guy signed up for it the other kids would've ridiculed him. The only guys who ever took it were in there with whatever girl they knocked up and would get ridiculed if he took interest and actually participated.

 

To me, it seems the old school attitudes toward parenting actually screw over men when it come to wanting to be and learn how to be good fathers. Which is awful because Ive seen men derive great pride in being a good father.

 

And some of us know in a most unfortunate way, that not every mother out there should have gotten custody of the kid or at least not full custody. For me? Well my father didn't want any of the kids he helped create. But my mother should have never been a mother to begin with EVER.

 

So I don't agree with you that men have always been given the option to be a parent and take pride in that role. And its why I am a feminist. I feel patriarchy hamstrings men from wanting to learn about how to be a good parent and stands in their way when it a custody battle happens. Its patriarchy that dictates that women are more inclined and better suited to parenting. And the courts hide behind warped feminism to keep the patriarchal standard in place choking men from their chance to be good, proud fathers and placing kids with mothers that sometimes should never have had a kid to begin with.

 

I agree with everything you said and it is a mentality like this that makes me think maybe all feminism is not bad. Misandrists still like to use the old patriarchal rules to their advantage when things get ugly in family court though.

[sally4sara]

I agree with everything you said and it is a mentality like this that makes me think maybe all feminism is not bad. Misandrists still like to use the old patriarchal rules to their advantage when things get ugly in family court though.

 

Woggle, with complete honesty, how many of you male friends that talk trash on women ever seem interested in what goes into caring for a baby? How many of them would laugh at you if you took a parenting class? How many of them would expect the woman in their life to see to the diapering, car pooling, setting up play dates, etc. that goes into being a good, invested parent?

 

Because that is what its going to take. For men to stopping thinking of that stuff as a woman's role, take an interest in it themselves, and show support for other men who take interest in those kinds of things.

[Woggle]

I have known a couple of very involved divorced dads over the years that were quite bitter against women. I have to say though that the one friend I have who is raising his daughter by himself after her mother ran off with a rapist always used to get mad at me when I would go on my misogynistic rants around him. Despite what his ex did to him and their child he hated that stuff.

[sally4sara]

I have known a couple of very involved divorced dads over the years that were quite bitter against women. I have to say though that the one friend I have who is raising his daughter by himself after her mother ran off with a rapist always used to get mad at me when I would go on my misogynistic rants around him. Despite what his ex did to him and their child he hated that stuff.

 

Well look at it this way. Take a couple in a more traditional marriage. Hubby goes to work full time while wifey is more domestic and has, at the most, a part time fluff job. Worst come to pass and they head for divorce. There's been no infidelity, no abuse, just both feel its not working anymore. They're fighting a lot and its upsetting the kid to see it.

 

Custody comes up. Who is more capable of caring for that kid in a way that disrupts the kid's life the least? Its the mom, and dad is going to have to come out of pocket for CS for the difference in their incomes. Its just a fact.

 

 

You still didn't answer. What would your male friends say if you told them you were going to take a parenting class?

[welikeincrowds]

Custody comes up. Who is more capable of caring for that kid in a way that disrupts the kid's life the least? Its the mom, and dad is going to have to come out of pocket for CS for the difference in their incomes. Its just a fact.

 

Why, sally4sara, that's not a fact at all. In fact, I dare to say that this is just your ill-formed opinion. Have you ever known a single mother? They work. Sometimes more than one job. And what if Dad doesn't come through with the child support? "Sorry kids, we're not eating today." Nope. A single parent is a working parent. There is no such thing as "the least disruption," at least, not that can be concluded generally. The family has already been split. The gender of the parent who gets custody is the most arbitrary factor there is.

 

In fact, the only way to decide who is "more capable" of taking custody is by looking at the particular lives of those parents and those children. That's why we decide these things in courts, thank God, instead of handing the decision off to our wise and noble judicator "sally4sara", who has concluded, categorically and universally, that "Its the mom."

[Woggle]

My friends would not have an issue with it.

[sally4sara]

Why, sally4sara, that's not a fact at all. In fact, I dare to say that this is just your ill-formed opinion. Have you ever known a single mother? They work. Sometimes more than one job. And what if Dad doesn't come through with the child support? "Sorry kids, we're not eating today." Nope. A single parent is a working parent. There is no such thing as "the least disruption," at least, not that can be concluded generally. The family has already been split. The gender of the parent who gets custody is the most arbitrary factor there is.

 

In fact, the only way to decide who is "more capable" of taking custody is by looking at the particular lives of those parents and those children. That's why we decide these things in courts, thank God, instead of handing the decision off to our wise and noble judicator "sally4sara", who has concluded, categorically and universally, that "Its the mom."

 

A father who has not taken initiative in learning how to care for a small child and has a full time job during the week, is not going to be the best choice to get custody over a SAHM. Not in any way that doesn't cause undue disruption to the the life the child depends on.

And the SAHM, lacks the job market skills and experience required to take on the role the husband has been handling. The courts don't handle job placement or training. The child has bonded to her and having her available day in, day out. Choosing the less experienced at parenting father with an established job over the more experienced at parenting mother with little experience working outside of the home - just to not be automatic about picking the mother would be the same thing as automatically give the kid to the mom when both her and the father are similar in job and skill.

 

Why not look at what I said about who was handling what up to the point of deciding custody instead of just ARGUING to argue. Would you seriously foist over a kid to a parent that can't be home and took little interest in the domestic duties over a person who was staying home and less capable of jumping into a well paying job?

 

If the stay at home parent with less job experience was the father and the mother was the less domestic one with an establish full time job - I'd give the kid to the father. But Woggle and I were discussing what is TRADITIONAL.

 

You're just reacting to me saying I'd give it to the mom and not which set up was best for the kid.

 

I WAS a single mother.

Edited November 14, 2010 by sally4sara