Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 This is still a way's off and they don't know about any side effects so the feminist fantasy of taking men out of the child rearing process completely has not quite arrived yet.
AverageJoe Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human stem cells Explosive headline but the article itself doesnt back that up at all. Riddled with medical problems and a work in progess is not considered something viable and on demand as you suggest. Many years in the future? Sure, it could happen but we are living in the now, and the now does not provide that technology to the general public. It has to work first and you would still need a mans dna. Not out of the park yet, dear. Personal foul - fifteen yard penalty at the spot of the infraction. Back up and punt.
brainygirl Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Why are women looking for "the one"? Well, not because he'll take down the matrix, although a boyfriend who was a living superbeing might be interesting . . . . I want to meet a man who enjoys spending time with me, values me, makes me feel safe and supported, and I want to be all that to him. I know it sounds a bit asinine, but life is long and lonely and I want a partner in the journy.
Akherousia Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 This is still a way's off and they don't know about any side effects so the feminist fantasy of taking men out of the child rearing process completely has not quite arrived yet. We've made amazing progress since the 50's. Look how far we've gone and we're only starting. I'm talking about science.
Akherousia Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Explosive headline but the article itself doesnt back that up at all. Riddled with medical problems and a work in progess is not considered something viable and on demand as you suggest. Many years in the future? Sure, it could happen but we are living in the now, and the now does not provide that technology to the general public. It has to work first and you would still need a mans dna. Not out of the park yet, dear. Personal foul - fifteen yard penalty at the spot of the infraction. Back up and punt. Huh, were you expecting the first car to come out with no problems? As fast as the car we have and as reliable as the new cars being produced? It will take time but rest assured that genetic engineering will take it's hold as the main method of reproduction; we're already seeing it in action. Sperm banks. Look them up. Only a few(potential sperm donors) are doable. So, what do I need you or a man for? If I want to have children all I have to do is: 1) wait until science comes up with a way to have one without the need for a man. 2) use a bank sperm and get top notch genetic material. Yes?
Sidtheskid Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 This is still a way's off and they don't know about any side effects so the feminist fantasy of taking men out of the child rearing process completely has not quite arrived yet. Feminist fantasy? This is science. And, it's not like men haven't had the option to opt out of parenting. They have always had that and will continue to do so.
Sidtheskid Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Huh, were you expecting the first car to come out with no problems? As fast as the car we have and as reliable as the new cars being produced? It will take time but rest assured that genetic engineering will take it's hold as the main method of reproduction; we're already seeing it in action. Sperm banks. Look them up. Only a few(potential sperm donors) are doable. So, what do I need you or a man for? If I want to have children all I have to do is: 1) wait until science comes up with a way to have one without the need for a man. 2) use a bank sperm and get top notch genetic material. Yes? Yes. And, are those men who donate sperm concerned about the potential children they help create? No, they aren't. Duh.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Feminist fantasy? This is science. And, it's not like men haven't had the option to opt out of parenting. They have always had that and will continue to do so. It is a feminist fantasy though to remove men completely from the family structure. They consider fathers to be disposable extras and resent the fact that currently they need sperm.
Akherousia Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Yes. And, are those men who donate sperm concerned about the potential children they help create? No, they aren't. Duh. Why would I care about what the father thinks of the child? Is the father made of good genetic stock? if so, I couldn't care less about his interest in the child. I have more than enough money to raise the child. It is a feminist fantasy though to remove men completely from the family structure. They consider fathers to be disposable extras and resent the fact that currently they need sperm. Why would I want to put up with a man? Every day? Human beings weren't made to stay together until they die and it'd be boring to have sex with the same guy until I died. I have no patience for relationships either. Fantasy? Call it that .
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 This set up has worked so well for poor urban communities so let's replicate it everywhere. I hope you stick to your plans to never have kids.
Sidtheskid Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 It is a feminist fantasy though to remove men completely from the family structure. They consider fathers to be disposable extras and resent the fact that currently they need sperm. If the family structure is one that oppresses women, I can see that. Generally, I haven't seen men make sacrifices for their families. When, and if men take over childcare responsibilities, they are given kudos for it. Men have always been given the option to be a parent - a good one. Mothers, have always been expected to take up the slack.
Akherousia Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 This set up has worked so well for poor urban communities so let's replicate it everywhere. I hope you stick to your plans to never have kids. You're talking about poor urban communities. I have a very large family. Each one of them is very well off. They'd take care of the child if something happened to me. By choosing the father of the child through the services of a sperm bank, I make sure the child will have the best chances.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 If the family structure is one that oppresses women, I can see that. Generally, I haven't seen men make sacrifices for their families. When, and if men take over childcare responsibilities, they are given kudos for it. Men have always been given the option to be a parent - a good one. Mothers, have always been expected to take up the slack. There are plenty of good fathers and horrible mothers. My mother, Susan Smith, Casey Antony and many others. Simply being a woman does not make a mother a better parent.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 You're talking about poor urban communities. I have a very large family. Each one of them is very well off. They'd take care of the child if something happened to me. By choosing the father of the child through the services of a sperm bank, I make sure the child will have the best chances. Money and genetics really mean nothing. It is mostly enviroment that determines how a child will turn out.
Akherousia Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Money and genetics really mean nothing. It is mostly enviroment that determines how a child will turn out. Tell that to this guy: http://www.slate.com/id/100331/ He begs to differ, and look at some of his results. What do you mean genetics mean nothing? heart problems are inheritable. The condition known as pectus excavatum is inheritable. Baldness is inheritable. A whole spectrum of genetic defects, issues, and potential cancers are inheritable. Are you going to build a house with good bricks and cement or you're going to build a house considering the enviroment? As if a serene enviroment would prevent the house from being attacked by a flood etc. Genetic engineering is the future. We don't use knives made of stone to cut our meat. We don't use horses to go from Asia to Europe. We've evolved; soon enough our reproduction will evolve too. Deal with it. Nothing can prevent progress and it's rather selfish of you to prevent mankind from moving foward. What for? Because men want to have children that makes it OK?
Sidtheskid Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 There are plenty of good fathers and horrible mothers. My mother, Susan Smith, Casey Antony and many others. Simply being a woman does not make a mother a better parent. Funny how we have so many rules for a good mother. What rules do we have for a father? Not many.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 I bet you that many of these designer babies end up as screwed up as anybody else. Most geniuses and great people have actually come from humble roots.
Akherousia Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 I bet you that many of these designer babies end up as screwed up as anybody else. Most geniuses and great people have actually come from humble roots. Are they secrewed up? Maybe so. Does it matter, not when they're doing something with their brains and potential.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Funny how we have so many rules for a good mother. What rules do we have for a father? Not many. The same rules as for a mother. Be a good parent to your kids and help them to become the best people they can be. If a person can't do that then don't become a parent.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Are they secrewed up? Maybe so. Does it matter, not when they're doing something with their brains and potential. Yes it does matter. Most blue bloods I have seen were spoiled brats who had their position in life handed to them instead of earning it and would have never been able to pull themselves up from the bottom. They are the people in power who helped screw up this world but were handed that power because they came from good stock.
Sidtheskid Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 The same rules as for a mother. Be a good parent to your kids and help them to become the best people they can be. If a person can't do that then don't become a parent. The mother is the primary care-giver, yes? The rules certainly do not apply equally. And, I think you know that.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Not exactly. A man can go, impregnant a woman and flee the scene. How many guys have cheated on their wives despite the fact that their women stopped working, gave up their freedom, to give the man his children? How many women get traded by a younger woman? How many women get std infected via their own husband? Look at Tiger Woods. Look at Hugh Grant. Look at Charlie Sheen. No thanks. If I do have a child, the child will be the offspring of a sperm donor. I keep any man from taking my child and I prevent any drama, health issues, and the baby won't be used by the ex. Look at the examples of women that I used. All men don't do that anymore than all women don't kill their children. You call men on here woman haters but what you post is more hateful towards the opposite sex than anything any bitter nice guy has posted.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 The mother is the primary care-giver, yes? The rules certainly do not apply equally. And, I think you know that. Not in all cases. A good friend of mine is raising a kid by himself because the mother decided she wanted to go and fall in love with a convicted rapist who didn't like kids and now he has to fight in court for custody? I am sorry if all of you have had crappy fathers or bad experiences with men but if I am told not to tar all women because of my mother than I think I have the right to ask for the same courtesy in return.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 I would much rather deal with bitterness than hate. Bitterness is just frustration but what you post is pure hatred. A man never really knows a woman either. There are plenty of women who get a mid life crisis and then at the drop of a hat turn on a man. Stop acting like women are all innocent because they are not.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2010 Posted November 14, 2010 Beethoven, Mozart, Tesla, Einstein, Goethe, John Keats and many more of blue blood weren't spoiled. It's how you raise the person. Average people will turn out fine if they're raised properly, but people with very high potential and raised well, will become the founders of new sciences and new schools of thought. That's what we should be aiming for ; quality, not quantity. True but high potential is not created through genetic engineering and money. It just isn't. There are plenty of kids from rich and priviledged backgrounds who are pretty much useless. Look at Paris Hilton. She comes from a family that owns one of the biggest hotel chains in the world and she contributes nothing at all to society.
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