How many of you guys actually like women?

[that girl]

That's not what you said in your first post. You clearly stated that it seemed to you that many men did not like most women, and wondered why. Then you posted a listing of undesirable traits that many men seemed to be attributing to the women. What you posted made perfect sense, and I agreed with it.

 

 

I was contrasting my view of men with the men here who think women are irrational/crazy/slutty.

 

Everyone but you seems to have understood this point except you, troll.

 

The way you tried to present your viewpoint--initially as an open-minded inquiry, but which was actually an attempted straw man for you to knock down--is a perfect example of why many men regard many women as having undesirable characteristics, such as a lack of trustworthiness.

I'm why men don't like women? I'm untrustworthy?

 

Do you ever look at a woman for a reason other than to blame her? God knows you can't take responsibility for your own behavior.

 

Do you realize that you just indicted YOURSELF? Your prior statement was that "The issue...is the men." So you just "wrote people off based on their biology." Because they are "men." This is another undesirable trait that many men often attribute to many women: irrationality combined with hypocrisy.

It doesn't indicate me. I like most men. I don't like you. Penises do not make me dislike people, trolling and bigotry do.

 

I agree. Since you just wrote off all "men" based on their biology, according to your OWN ARGUMENT, the problem is YOU and YOU need to "look within yourself to find answers."

Again, I didn't. Unlike you, I don't think all men or even most men dislike women. Considering the fact that several men have already posted in this thread that they like women, I have a rational basis for my point of view. You do not.

 

I like men. I just don't like women haters like you. Thank God you're a slim minority in my world.

 

Also, the only one who tried to insult anyone was YOU. You just called me a "troll" which is an insult. It's remarkable that you could be so completely irrational and hypocritical that you would blatantly insult me in the VERY SAME SENTENCE in which you were making a completely specious claim that I insulted you.

When you say women are untrustworthy, you are insulting me. When you justify men who hate women, you are insulting me. You are very quick to take offense at imaginary insults against men, yet you take no responsibility for your own words.

 

If I was a man hater, I would say that was typical male behavior. But as I am a rational, decent person, I'll say troll. Men don't deserved to get tarred with your irrational, bigoted behavior.

 

PWNED.

[Cracker Jack]

I absolutely love women. I suck at getting one to have interest in me, which sucks, but I'm not bitter towards women because it's simply my fault.

[Woggle]

I have just clearly expressed liking most men.

 

Obviously I don't have bitterness towards men as a group.

 

You might not be bitter towards men but the bitterness evens out on this board.

[hearttobreak]

I have no problem with women. However, the one's I've met in the dating world are just irrational, illogical and I do not trust them. Outside the dating world, everything is a whole different story it seems. I have a good friend who is a woman. I get along with her fine. The one's I do the dating dance with, or at least attempt to do the dating dance with, see above.

[Surrealist]

When you say women are untrustworthy, you are insulting me. When you justify men who hate women, you are insulting me. You are very quick to take offense at imaginary insults against men, yet you take no responsibility for your own words.

 

 

Actually I would feel personally insulted by a woman that picked on a certain aspect of the male gender (if it was relevant to myself) rather than a woman lashing out at the male gender in general.

 

If a woman insulted the male gender as a whole, for example, all men are a bunch of mysogynist liars, it wouldn't effect me (as much) because it would be clear the woman has some deep seated issues with men in general, rather than a particular type of man that is relevant to myself.

 

I just happen to be a pretty nice dude who happens to be quite shy, so when I read women bashing 'nice guys' as doormats and whimps etc, yeah it can be quite insulting. Having said that though I haven't worried about it too much as I am beginning to see that the women who post these remarks are not necessarily nice women themselves. And I know that despite my lack of success with women I know I can nurture a relationship with a good woman anyway so tend to ignore these posts now.

[Titania22]

I despise everyone equally and hope for swift human extinction, myself included.

 

lol I used to feel like this.

[TheBigQuestion]

 

When you say women are untrustworthy, you are insulting me. When you justify men who hate women, you are insulting me. You are very quick to take offense at imaginary insults against men, yet you take no responsibility for your own words.

 

 

 

You must be a joy of a person to be around if every time someone makes a generalized negative observation of a group of which you happen to be in you automatically take it as a personal insult.

 

If everyone acted in real life the way you portrayed yourself in that post, no one would ever stop going into self-righteously indignant rants about how offended and insulted they are.

[TheMENemy]

I was contrasting my view of men with the men here who think women are irrational/crazy/slutty.

 

I think you are doing a good job of disproving your own point.

 

 

Everyone but you seems to have understood this point except you, troll.

 

You like men as long as they agree with whatever your bias and prejudice is. I don't, I've proven you wrong by logic, and yet you continue to cast insults at me. Again--your own behavior disproves your argument. It is precisely women who behave like you are behaving in this thread that are the kind of women that lots of men do not "like." But not because they are men, and not because they generally hate women--it's because of your behavior towards them.

 

 

I'm why men don't like women? I'm untrustworthy?

 

The behaviors you've been exhibiting in this thread, and in a multitude of your other posts, and which are similarly reflected by many other prolific female posters at loveshack, are behaviors which repulse many men.

 

In terms of being able to make a fair and logical argument directed towards the merits of the discussion, yes, you've proven yourself completely untrustworthy. You've gone out of your way to insult me directly at least twice by calling me a "troll." If that isn't a reflection of your completely irrational and hypocritical hatred overflowing to the brim, then what is?

 

Do you ever look at a woman for a reason other than to blame her? God knows you can't take responsibility for your own behavior.

 

Yes, you know absolutely nothing about my personal life or how I relate to women. It is you who view every interaction, every conversation, your entire existence as some kind of "battle of the sexes." That's precisely why you started the thread--you were daring any man to disagree with you, in order to start a fight. When you are exposed as being unable to make a logical factual argument in support of your "man hating," you stamp your feet and call people "troll."

 

I take full responsibility, and credit, for my behavior. And you should, too. You believe that simply because you are a woman, you can grossly insult people that you disagree with and you will get away with it. And you're probably right. But at least own up to what you are doing.

 

 

It doesn't indicate me. I like most men. I don't like you. Penises do not make me dislike people, trolling and bigotry do.

 

You are the only bigot in this thread. Own it.

 

 

Again, I didn't. Unlike you, I don't think all men or even most men dislike women. Considering the fact that several men have already posted in this thread that they like women, I have a rational basis for my point of view. You do not.

 

You are completely illogical. Your contention is that most men dislike women. As you pointed out, you've been completely disproved by the posts of many men, and women, in this very thread. So no--you have absolutely no rational basis for your POV.

 

I like men. I just don't like women haters like you. Thank God you're a slim minority in my world.

 

I don't hate women. But I have no respect for abusive, insulting, irrational, hateful women. And most men don't, either. So there's your answer. Don't behave like that, and maybe more men will like you.

 

When you say women are untrustworthy, you are insulting me.

 

I said women who behave like you behave are untrustworthy. You started a thread seeking opinions and when you got one which you didn't like, you started insulting me. I am entitled to state my opinion that people who behave in an untrustworthy manner are untrustworthy. Don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answers to them. If you feel that you are trustworthy and the description does not apply to you, then you have no cause to feel insulted. If you are untrustworthy, then the description is an accurate one. Either way, it's not an insult, it's an observation.

 

When you justify men who hate women, you are insulting me. You are very quick to take offense at imaginary insults against men, yet you take no responsibility for your own words.

 

I take full responsibility for my words. You started a thread to feed into your own anti-male bias because of whatever grudges you might have against men. You hate that someone has challenged you and pointed out exactly what you're doing. I never justified men who hate women, because that's not even what your thread is about. Reread your own first post. It is you who use words of hate, it is you who fail to take responsibility for your own words. Eat your words, the words that you used to call me "troll" simply because I am a man who disagrees with you, who exposed your hypocrisy. Eat your own hatred.

 

If I was a man hater, I would say that was typical male behavior.

 

You are a man-hater. Your coy self description is accurate. Only a man hater would post what you've posted in this thread--attributing a false hatred by men of women. When challenged to prove your contentions rationally, and when shown the mirror of your own hypocrisy, you react by insulting attacks.

 

 

But as I am a rational, decent person, I'll say troll. Men don't deserved to get tarred with your irrational, bigoted behavior.

 

PWNED.

 

You're a complete hypocrite. Exposed, not "pwned."

[Titania22]

I'm not some kind of hopeless kaboose to my penis.

 

:laugh:What a visual.

 

it is going to take one amazing woman to break me from this mindset. Engagement ring quality.

 

This made me smile.

 

I like women. I like looking at many of them, talking to a few of them, friending even fewer, and loving just a small minority.

 

I feel the same about men. Hang on I think I feel this way about women too (except not loving in the sexual way).

[TheMENemy]

You must be a joy of a person to be around if every time someone makes a generalized negative observation of a group of which you happen to be in you automatically take it as a personal insult.

 

If everyone acted in real life the way you portrayed yourself in that post, no one would ever stop going into self-righteously indignant rants about how offended and insulted they are.

 

I think you've put your finger on it. Her argument was completely dismantled because it's a total straw man. Obviously all men don't hate all women or whatever nonsensical hatred she was attempting to put over. The only interesting dynamic was that men are put so much on the defensive that they actually felt they had to justify "Oh not me I don't hate women." When called out on what she was trying to do, OP's true, very nasty colors rapidly come to the surface.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Bravo! Once again, TheMENemy wins the thread by dissembling and hilariously re-interpreting a post!

 

He is awesome at it ... and no wonder; evidently he works at it 24/7.

 

Let's give the man a hand! Yay!

 

It is tiresome, though, that only a rare thread avoids his prankish ways. When he's banned, we have some interesting discussions going on around here rather than predictable monologues.

[TheBigQuestion]

Bravo! Once again, TheMENemy wins the thread by dissembling and hilariously re-interpreting a post!

 

He is awesome at it ... and no wonder; evidently he works at it 24/7.

 

Let's give the man a hand! Yay!

 

It is tiresome, though, that only a rare thread avoids his prankish ways. When he's banned, we have some interesting discussions going on around here rather than predictable monologues.

 

Even though I do agree with his sentiments from time to time, it does get very tiresome to have to go through these long diatribes.

[TheMENemy]

Bravo! Once again, TheMENemy wins the thread by dissembling and hilariously re-interpreting a post!

 

He is awesome at it ... and no wonder; evidently he works at it 24/7.

 

Let's give the man a hand! Yay!

 

It is tiresome, though, that only a rare thread avoids his prankish ways. When he's banned, we have some interesting discussions going on around here rather than predictable monologues.

 

 

Please stop stalking me. Surely you have better things to do.

[TheMENemy]

Even though I do agree with his sentiments from time to time, it does get very tiresome to have to go through these long diatribes.

 

You don't have to. However when people like the OP and Mme. Chaucer insist on resorting to constant ridicule and insult I am certainly entitled to take issue with that in as much detail as might be necessary.

[that girl]

You like men as long as they agree with whatever your bias and prejudice is.

No, I like people who aren't bigoted. I happen to be progessive but I have no problem with conservatives. I happen to not be religious but I have no problem with those who are religious. I have friends who are in both these groups.

 

What I have a problem with is bigotry.

 

It is precisely women who behave like you are behaving in this thread that are the kind of women that lots of men do not "like." But not because they are men, and not because they generally hate women--it's because of your behavior towards them.

Actually, I'm fine with any given human being disliking me. Lots of people just don't connect.

 

What I'm not okay with is men bashing women, women bashing men, Whites bashing Blacks, christians bashing Jews, etc. It is not a high bar to expect people to contain their dislike to individuals without generalizing to everyone with the same sexual equipment or skin color.

 

In terms of being able to make a fair and logical argument directed towards the merits of the discussion, yes, you've proven yourself completely untrustworthy. You've gone out of your way to insult me directly at least twice by calling me a "troll." If that isn't a reflection of your completely irrational and hypocritical hatred overflowing to the brim, then what is?

Calling you a troll isn't irrational at all. I rationally look at what you most, your willful twisting of people's words, your repeated attempts to undermine women, and I see someone who is sad and just trying to stir up trouble.

 

Here are a few example:

 

I said trying to "errod[e] whatever little self-esteem she has left" was emotional abuse and that "there isn't anything wrong with 'a guy flooding a woman with false compliments in the hope of getting into her pants.' It might not be the best strategy for every woman, but it isn't designed to be hurtful."

 

Your response was

? So you think outright lying to a woman simply to get her to have sex with you is ethically superior as an approach to what Fourth Planet is suggesting?

 

Interesting POV ya got there.

 

That is trolling. It is ignoring my point and trying to make it something completely different.

Irrational would be if I called you a warlock. I haven't seen you do any magic after all but I have seen you troll.

 

 

It is you who view every interaction, every conversation, your entire existence as some kind of "battle of the sexes."

I really don't and you don't have any evidence that I do. Shocking as this might be, I don't run into people like you much. Again, I think most men are decent.

 

You are completely illogical. Your contention is that most men dislike women.

I am logical and I do not think that most men dislike women. I think in real life, most men like women. I think of these board, a lot of men dislike women.

 

I have no respect for abusive, insulting, irrational, hateful women. And most men don't, either. So there's your answer. Don't behave like that, and maybe more men will like you.

Again, you are free to dislike me but saying I'm irrational just reflects poorly on you. And plenty of men like me, this was never about me being sad that men don't like me. This was about me being sick of woman hating drivel on this site.

 

You started a thread to feed into your own anti-male bias because of whatever grudges you might have against men.

Nope. For the thousandth time, I don't dislike men. I started this thread to see what the woman haters would say and because I think the decent guys generally avoid the woman hating threads, making the whole place seem out of wack.

 

You are a man-hater. Your coy self description is accurate. Only a man hater would post what you've posted in this thread--attributing a false hatred by men of women. When challenged to prove your contentions rationally, and when shown the mirror of your own hypocrisy, you react by insulting attacks.

It is like you don't even read my posts.

[Nemicron]

Thought I'd cheer up the thread maybe... Just as a joke.

 

[Citizen Erased]

I am so glad I have one of the few men that could post on here and say I like women without the "but*insert excuse for why I hate on an entire gender with every second post I make*".

 

A female poster posts a thread making fun of some ridiculous generalisations and gets hammered for not being funny. The difference to me is that she was making light, what she was making fun of was serious. And is all over this forum.

 

Let me take this time to thank all of the bitter women haters for chasing away the thoughtful, insightful and caring posters of this forum and turning it into a place of hate. Well done, pat on the back. The level of "support" in this forum is at about 0 compared to when I first joined.

[Mutant Debutante]

I am so glad I have one of the few men that could post on here and say I like women without the "but*insert excuse for why I hate on an entire gender with every second post I make*".

 

A female poster posts a thread making fun of some ridiculous generalisations and gets hammered for not being funny. The difference to me is that she was making light, what she was making fun of was serious. And is all over this forum.

 

Let me take this time to thank all of the bitter women haters for chasing away the thoughtful, insightful and caring posters of this forum and turning it into a place of hate. Well done, pat on the back. The level of "support" in this forum is at about 0 compared to when I first joined.

 

Sing it, CE!

 

I hardly come here anymore because of all the bull.

 

And yeah, you got a good one

[sand26]

I despise everyone equally and hope for swift human extinction, myself included.

 

 

this is the answer, I agree 100%. I love you bigquestion. love.

[Tim The Enchanter]

this is the answer, I agree 100%. I love you bigquestion. love.

 

Indeed. I hate men and women in equal measure, but for different reasons.

[Titania22]

Indeed. I hate men and women in equal measure, but for different reasons.

 

Indeed. I love men and women in equal measure, but for different reasons.

 

Note: I didn't define what the measure was.

[Untouchable_Fire]

I am so glad I have one of the few men that could post on here and say I like women without the "but*insert excuse for why I hate on an entire gender with every second post I make*".

A female poster posts a thread making fun of some ridiculous generalisations and gets hammered for not being funny. The difference to me is that she was making light, what she was making fun of was serious. And is all over this forum.

Let me take this time to thank all of the bitter women haters for chasing away the thoughtful, insightful and caring posters of this forum and turning it into a place of hate. Well done, pat on the back. The level of "support" in this forum is at about 0 compared to when I first joined.

 

You might have me in terms of # of posts... but I think I've been here longer than you. There are some things that have always been true. The OW and BS have always been at each other's throats. The dating section has always had some of the wittiest and most fun posters. The Cheating and Infidelity sections have always had a number of angry hurt people. And there has always been somewhat of a gender friction regarding some topics in the dating section.

 

It's hard for me to remember because I've spent so much time away... but I think I remember you as... Darlin Coco?

[jean-luc sisko]

Everyone gets frustrated sometimes, but reading these posts I see so many men who seem to dislike most women. Their mom might be okay and they might say there are some rare women who are all right. But most women are irrational/slutty/lying/etc.

 

I like most men. Even if they're not someone I would want to hang out with because our personalities don't mesh, I don't dislike them. I think most of the guys I've dated have been decent guys, even if things didn't work out. I tend to have more female friends, but one of my favorite people in the world is my guy cousin. I tend to get along pretty well with my friends' husbands and boyfriends, even if they aren't the type of guys I would personally date.

 

I don't think the guys here are representative because I don't think most men dislike women.

 

I think internet people are different to real life people. They say things that they wouldn't in real life.

 

Sometimes, I prefer women to men. Healthy people don't generalise, really.

[Pyro]

the bitterness evens out on this board.

 

acid does make people hallucinate.

 

I like women unless they give me a reason not to like them.

 

If I hated women as much as some of the guys on here I would do myself a favor and turn gay. It would be so much easier for me to live on a daily basis.

 

I've been cheated on and have been verbally abused and taken advantage of with past relationships but here I stand not bitter and open minded and living a truly happy life.

 

I guess for some its easier to accept the glass as half empty rather than improve themselves and attempt to look at it half full.

[EasyHeart]

I don't like to generalize, but in generally, I generally like most women. Generally speaking, of course.

 

As others have noted, this forum tends to attract people who have had bad romantic experiences and some level of bitterness is to be expected -- and tolerated. Several men in this forum tend to go overboard, but there are many women who are equally annoying in that they tend to be condescending and judgmental. The feminist rants that are taken as gospel also get tiresome.

 

We can't control other people, but we can all control ourselves. I think it's more productive to look at what we can do to bring more civility to this forum, rather than than attack the other gender, whether it's "All women are whores!" or "All men are misogynists!"

 

I don't spend much time here, but my primary observation is that this forum has a lot of people yelling at each other and precious few listening to each other.

 

It's kind of like a bad marriage. . . .